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Published on: March 3, 2009 11:41 AM
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New York, NY - As part of the OU’s “Safe Schools, Safe Shuls, Safe Homes Initiative,” the organization’s executive vice-president Rabbi Tzvi Hersh Weinreb has issued the OU’s annual call for parents to alert their children to the dangers of drinking on Purim, which this year falls on the evening of Monday, March 9, and lasts through Tuesday, March 10.

Rabbi Weinreb’s warning was not directed solely at young people. Pointing to a variety of halachic sources which warn against drunkenness, even on Purim, he urged all members of the Jewish community to be cautious about alcohol consumption on this most joyous Jewish holiday.

“In our time, when alcohol abuse in our community, especially among our youth, has reached troublesome proportions, and when we hear so many stories of the tragic results of Purim drinking, it is important to reiterate strong words of caution. Although the message is out, there are still many who resist hearing it. Purim is a time for fun and celebration, not for drunkenness and its tragic consequences,” said Rabbi Weinreb.

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Breaking the Law

While all members of the Jewish community should beware of the consequences of becoming inebriated, especially the danger of drunk driving, Rabbi Weinreb pointed out that, when teenagers consume alcohol, they are not only disobeying laws concerning underage drinking, they are also risking serious medical consequences.

Adults who knowingly provide alcohol to those under age are also breaking the law, a serious infraction of the Jewish principle of dina d’malchuta dina, the law of the land is law. Jews recognize that secular laws that are not contrary to any laws of Judaism are binding on Jewish citizens.

“These considerations of health and pikuach Nefesh—the saving of lives—easily transcend whatever mitzvah might be involved in drinking on Purim,” said Rabbi Weinreb.

NCSY Standard

The OU has made sure this warning is not just a paper caveat. The organization’s youth group, National Council of Synagogue Youth, has repeatedly made clear that while some people—especially teenagers—believe Purim, like Simchat Torah, grants license to drink alcohol with abandon, the fact is it cannot be tolerated.

NCSY has been firm and unrelenting in its commitment to end teenage drinking on Purim.

“Teenage drinking inevitably yields tragedy and must, therefore, come to an end,” said Josh Halpern, an NCSY member from Philadelphia who attends the Stern Hebrew High School in Bala Cynwyd, PA.

Zero Tolerance

Rabbi Steven Burg, International Director of NCSY, is aware that “too many youngsters still remain either unaware or unconvinced of the great risk alcohol intake on Purim poses.”

Nevertheless, he said he was thankful that so many NCSY members, as well as other teenagers, have heeded the warnings against the dangers of drinking alcohol.

“They agree with us that zero tolerance will still permit an enjoyable Purim,” he said.


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 Mar 03, 2009 at 10:47 AM Mkook #23 Says:

Agreed. There is no reason for teenagers to drink on purim. Even parents should refrain, it is not wise. I know i used to get wasted on purim but i have learned from my terrible mistakes

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 10:54 AM robroy560 Says:

Being publicly drunk on Purim and making a fool of yourself in the ER is a GIANT CHILUL HASHEM. I don't care about the minhag/mitzvah of not knowing the difference between Haman and Mordecai. The damage, never mind your health, is far worse than the 'good' you're doing.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 10:50 AM Abe Says:

More than drugs, this is a quickly growing problem in our communities. Even young boys who realize that taking drugs are wrong and would not consider it, still don't realize how dangerous drinking can be.
You can't go to a wedding these days that there aren't handfuls of shikurim. They think it's fun and games, until friends die c"v or get seriously sick.
Add it to the list of issues that must be addressed in our communities.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 11:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Mkook #23 Says:

Agreed. There is no reason for teenagers to drink on purim. Even parents should refrain, it is not wise. I know i used to get wasted on purim but i have learned from my terrible mistakes

Maybe if you would show a little restraint & just get a little "buzz" or a bit "high" instead of getting "wasted" & doing regrettable things your Teenagers wouldnt make the same mistakes. Telling a teenager to not drink at all & that there is a zero tolerance, will assure that they will get "wasted". The wiser choice is to explain the dangers of too much alchohol consumption & the serious life threatening incidents it has caused in the past. By giving them a little leeway you have a better chance of them heeding your advice.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 11:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Abe Says:

More than drugs, this is a quickly growing problem in our communities. Even young boys who realize that taking drugs are wrong and would not consider it, still don't realize how dangerous drinking can be.
You can't go to a wedding these days that there aren't handfuls of shikurim. They think it's fun and games, until friends die c"v or get seriously sick.
Add it to the list of issues that must be addressed in our communities.

this is where u are ignorant . drugs , drinking and other issues is not just reserved for teenagers . just take a look at what is going on in lakewood . do u know how many kolel guys are struggling with these same issues?

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 11:02 AM cleaning for Pesach Says:

Our shul does not serve alcohol to minors. This has been the way it has been since Simchas Torah several years ago when a teenage boy was found passed out on the shul lawn on the way IN to the shul from another shul that served him alcohol. That child ended up in the hospital on yomtov.
Our rabbi tells parents of teens that it is not a mitzvah for them to drink on Purim and the shul has other activities to keep them busy.
I wonder why balabatim feel it necessary to serve alcohol to bochrim who are collecting tzedukah. I once saw a couple leading their drunk son home on Purim. They would have to spend the rest of their day, monitoring his vital signs. Some young people dislike alcohol (like my kids) and should not be encouraged to drink it. Even if a kid has a couple of cups of wine, I would take away the car keys.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 11:00 AM bitachon Says:

This is another form of don't do this and don't do that. This is assur and bad and the Rabbanim should ban this also.
Of course drinking for teens is not a good mehalach.
However, as with all of yiddishkeit, we should be thinking of how do we as parents make purim, shabbos, yom tov, mitzvos and Torah learning more enjoyable.
L'chaim for a happy Purim!

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 10:59 AM Anonymous Says:

do we get the ou seal of approval to make finger printing mandatory in schools and yeshivas so we know if we our children are being taught by criminals?

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 10:58 AM Anonymous Says:

we must remember that ad dlo yoda is not the same as lo yoda REMEMBER THE AD

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 10:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Teenagers should stay away from alcohol period. But even adults, should learn to be in control, some people are sugar sweet after having a few drinks on purim, and gaining back full consciousness, but some become so out of control, so it's better for them to stay sober and avoid the extra drink on purim.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 11:39 AM Abe Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

this is where u are ignorant . drugs , drinking and other issues is not just reserved for teenagers . just take a look at what is going on in lakewood . do u know how many kolel guys are struggling with these same issues?

No I don't. I haven't heard of the drug problem by kollel guys. If you have information, then okay, otherwise, don't guess.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 11:54 AM Simchas HaYom! Says:

When I was in Yeshiva in Eretz Yisrael we didn't even need to drink to feel the simchas HaYom Purim ! One kos with the seuda is perfect for simcha. That is the medregah the Minahel need to put into these buchrim hearts. I jalso wonder how the boys who enjoy drinking handle the arbah koses sitting with their mishpuchas ? After the final kos I sing the shirim on the couch and fall asleep -- sadly -- because it is Leil Shmurim !!!

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 11:46 AM Anonymous Says:

according to the torah 13 years old is an adult and m'chiav to get drunk on purim

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 12:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Abe Says:

No I don't. I haven't heard of the drug problem by kollel guys. If you have information, then okay, otherwise, don't guess.

tell you what. go ask some askan who you trust. tell him you have an alcahol issue and ask him for a good AA to attend . Go there and watch who shows up.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 12:03 PM anon Says:

instead of saying that you can't drink at all why don't we educate people how to drink one and half cups of water for every cup of wine and no hard stuff only wine because that is the mitzvah

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 12:07 PM Anonymous Says:

meanwhile the brooklyn/lakewood rebbes are busy banning lipa shmeltzer ... why cant they sign a kol koreh on matter like this which is LIFE AND DEATH

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 01:05 PM shmeel from east 7 st Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

meanwhile the brooklyn/lakewood rebbes are busy banning lipa shmeltzer ... why cant they sign a kol koreh on matter like this which is LIFE AND DEATH

noch amool mit de rebbes and lipa. geneek shoen. im gonna make you happy. on peerim, im gonna drink feer koises mit mine rebbe and ichen tantzen to lipas songs

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 12:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Isn't it sad that the only way to get high is to get wasted. Something is lacking in our approach to Judaism.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 01:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

according to the torah 13 years old is an adult and m'chiav to get drunk on purim

Mechuyev? not necessarily..

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 01:08 PM Jay from queens Says:

rav moshe wolfson spoke at length DURING THE FRIDAY NT SHEVET ACHIM (TISH) in very strong terms he condemmed any kind of smoking on purim
& further discussed that szadikim of previous generations "knew how to drink" reminiscing the holy purim tishen of the satmar rav zatzl he also discussed the possibilty of getting addicted to alcohol & the need for therapy in his words " der bitere troppen" (bitter drops that an addict craves
he suggested drinking a little more than usual & using the holiness of the day to daven , tzedaka & the mitzvot hayom
it was my second time at this inspirational tish - & i told my wife to help me "not get drunk this yr.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 01:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

according to the torah 13 years old is an adult and m'chiav to get drunk on purim

no such chiyuv, especially not for a 13 year old.
halivay you knew some real halachos and were makpid on every other mitzvah thusly.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 12:37 PM spiritual drunk Says:

one has to get drunk spiritually by going out of your way for another Yid. And do it just for the mitzvah not even for the sake of getting Schar

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 12:25 PM 1084 Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Maybe if you would show a little restraint & just get a little "buzz" or a bit "high" instead of getting "wasted" & doing regrettable things your Teenagers wouldnt make the same mistakes. Telling a teenager to not drink at all & that there is a zero tolerance, will assure that they will get "wasted". The wiser choice is to explain the dangers of too much alchohol consumption & the serious life threatening incidents it has caused in the past. By giving them a little leeway you have a better chance of them heeding your advice.

whos going to listen NOT ONE TEEN

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 01:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
1084 Says:

whos going to listen NOT ONE TEEN

Although teenagers are by nature immature they like to be spoken to & treated as adults. You obviously do not undertand teenagers.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 01:53 PM Milhouse Says:

Weinreb has been on this unJewish crusade against alcohol for years. Alcohol is Hashem's blessing and gift, and we have no right to throw it back in His face. Like everything else, it must be used in moderation and with common sense; but used in such a way it is good for the health and the spirit. The Tanach says "veyayin yesamach levav enosh", and Chazal said that to praise Hashem properly it must be on wine. Minhag yisroel for many generations has been to say lechayim, and "tov lev mishteh tomid" (in moderation, that is).

As for "underage" people, just because a bunch of goyim decided 20 years ago on a ridiculous law doesn't mean we have to obey it. Nowhere in Shulchan Aruch will you find such a notion, that yesterday something was mutar and today it becomes asur, just because Congress decided so. Especially a law that exists nowhere else in the world, and makes the USA a laughing stock everywhere else.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 02:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Milhouse Says:

Weinreb has been on this unJewish crusade against alcohol for years. Alcohol is Hashem's blessing and gift, and we have no right to throw it back in His face. Like everything else, it must be used in moderation and with common sense; but used in such a way it is good for the health and the spirit. The Tanach says "veyayin yesamach levav enosh", and Chazal said that to praise Hashem properly it must be on wine. Minhag yisroel for many generations has been to say lechayim, and "tov lev mishteh tomid" (in moderation, that is).

As for "underage" people, just because a bunch of goyim decided 20 years ago on a ridiculous law doesn't mean we have to obey it. Nowhere in Shulchan Aruch will you find such a notion, that yesterday something was mutar and today it becomes asur, just because Congress decided so. Especially a law that exists nowhere else in the world, and makes the USA a laughing stock everywhere else.

Wow, are you stupid. You are lucky you didnt grow up during the age of prohibition, which wasnt too long ago.

Weinreb is a good yeshivishe rov who has only the lives of yidden at heart in this very noble and religiouns and humane crusade against the disgusting display that purim has turned into. 15 years ago iu had the mightmarish experience of spending a half hour at the torah vodaas purim chagigah. i felt safer when i left walking in the worst streets at night in brooklyn than i did down in that sickness.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 02:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Milhouse Says:

Weinreb has been on this unJewish crusade against alcohol for years. Alcohol is Hashem's blessing and gift, and we have no right to throw it back in His face. Like everything else, it must be used in moderation and with common sense; but used in such a way it is good for the health and the spirit. The Tanach says "veyayin yesamach levav enosh", and Chazal said that to praise Hashem properly it must be on wine. Minhag yisroel for many generations has been to say lechayim, and "tov lev mishteh tomid" (in moderation, that is).

As for "underage" people, just because a bunch of goyim decided 20 years ago on a ridiculous law doesn't mean we have to obey it. Nowhere in Shulchan Aruch will you find such a notion, that yesterday something was mutar and today it becomes asur, just because Congress decided so. Especially a law that exists nowhere else in the world, and makes the USA a laughing stock everywhere else.

You and your children will be the "laughing stock" on Purim when drunk.
You're taking RABBI Weinreb's (mind your derech eretz) obvious and logical plea and distorting it. Calling it "unJewish"? Give me a break. All he is doing is imploring us to be mindful of our children's health and well being. We all know what goes on on Purim and how these bochurim go from house to house given drink after drink. We've all seen our sons, brothers, cousins,etc in one way or another drunk passed a normal 'high'.
Vomiting on carpets, in showers, out car windows...just some of my own beautiful memories of watching my relatives (all below age limit, some just 14-15).

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 02:54 PM HatzolahMember Says:

As a member of Hatzolah, I've seen many family's Purims destroyed because they had to spend the entire Purim in the hospital with their drunk son. That's without even talking about the immense Chillul Hashem and the life and death issues that are encountered. I can't begin to tell you how many Doctors and nurses ask me when Purim is so that they can try to take off on those days.

If you don't want to spend the entire Purim at the bedside of a family member of yours, then please don't give to drink the family member of mine!

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 03:14 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Wow, are you stupid. You are lucky you didnt grow up during the age of prohibition, which wasnt too long ago.

Weinreb is a good yeshivishe rov who has only the lives of yidden at heart in this very noble and religiouns and humane crusade against the disgusting display that purim has turned into. 15 years ago iu had the mightmarish experience of spending a half hour at the torah vodaas purim chagigah. i felt safer when i left walking in the worst streets at night in brooklyn than i did down in that sickness.

Prohibition makes my point exactly. Do you think during that period it was wrong to drink? During prohibition EVERY ROV was selling alcohol; that was how rabbonim made their parnossoh. They had permission to sell to their congregants for kiddush and havdoloh, but they sold to anyone who asked. Do you think that was wrong? If so, why? Just because a crazy congress made a law, which it realised just a few years later was foolish and repealed it?

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 03:54 PM Concerned Hatzolah Member Says:

As a member of Hatzolah I would like to give my 2 cents. Every year I do not drink in order to be available Purim night to take calls. I begin this ritual at around 5pm and continue till the wee hours of the next morning.

The majority of the calls are what one would expect on a day like Purim. Many are "the night special" What concerns me (I'm not talking on behalf of the organization) and I'm sure my fellow members is that you have young teenagers and sometimes children that are drunk. Alcohol is a poison - it can KILL and it can cause permanent damage to people especially children and young adults. According to the New York State law it's illegal for a minor to drink ANY alcohol. It is illegal to give a minor a drink. That's right! A minor is under 18 years of age. A parent can be faced with criminal charges if their child consumed alcohol with their permission.

Many Bucharim go collecting on Purim and the hosts usually has bottles of alcohol readily available and either offer it to them or doesn't stop anyone from helping themselves. RABOISAI: If you allow a minor to drink you are acting illegally and you are also OIVER "LIFNAI IVER LO SITAN MICHSOL!"

How many times did I respond to a minor who was in alcohol poisoning and was facing serious medical complications and needed to be transported to the emergency room for detoxification and treatment and the parents then seem to begin to understand their TZURIS they are facing.

ALL THIS CAN AND SHOULD BE AVOIDED!!!! AT ALL COSTS!!!! IF YOU ARE A PARENT, MELAMID, NEIGHBOR or FRIEND - KEEP THIS IN MIND!!

Also, while I am on this subject, the CHAZAL tell us: Nichnis Yain Yotze Sud" Translation: "When someone drinks wine, his secrets come out!"
Boy oh boy is this so true. I can come to someone who on any given day, he looks like a respectful yingerman and suddenly he drinks a little and his mouth starts saying things that a sailor out to sea would be ashamed. I see this every year, the wife, children, parents, neighbors look on in total shock as their husband, son, father curses and starts talking sick things. That's right, many times we will bring in someone to the emergency room and they will curse at the nurses and doctors and the Chillul Hashem that this does is indescribable.

We all want to have a good time on Purim and rightfully so, but ADOM ME-IT L'OLAHM!" You got to take responsibilities of your actions!

Also, driving a car while under the inflowance is illegal and you WILL Loose your car, the NYC law says that if you drive with an alcohol blood level over 0.04 you will get arrested, loose your car and face criminal charges, and CHAS V'SHULIM if you hit someone and kill someone!!! Think 1000 times before you get behind that wheel.

Like the Bais Yisroel said: " Let's have a KOSHER PURIM and a HAPPY PESACH!!

A Frielichen Purim to all, and I hope I don't need to bumped into you this Purim!

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 04:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
robroy560 Says:

Being publicly drunk on Purim and making a fool of yourself in the ER is a GIANT CHILUL HASHEM. I don't care about the minhag/mitzvah of not knowing the difference between Haman and Mordecai. The damage, never mind your health, is far worse than the 'good' you're doing.

YOU (who ever made you in a dayen) don't care about halacha minhag BUT HASHEM does so put your foot in your mouth (P.S. I don't say you sould or shouldn't get drunk but sucha comment is terribke)

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 04:38 PM esther Says:

i can't believe any seicheldik,mature person would be down on anyone for trying to solve this very serious issue.with drug and alcohol addiction addiction such a terrible problem even ba unz what are tou thinking?

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 04:52 PM halivay Says:

Reply to #30  
Milhouse Says:

Prohibition makes my point exactly. Do you think during that period it was wrong to drink? During prohibition EVERY ROV was selling alcohol; that was how rabbonim made their parnossoh. They had permission to sell to their congregants for kiddush and havdoloh, but they sold to anyone who asked. Do you think that was wrong? If so, why? Just because a crazy congress made a law, which it realised just a few years later was foolish and repealed it?

you are so wrong. so very very wrong. i will make sure not to be a pedestrian in your daled amos on peerim.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 06:23 PM A. Says:

All I can say is that when I was in Yeshiva, I remember every single Purim being a chillul Hashem marathon. I don't like drinking so I never did, but almost everyone else got pretty close to, or very drunk. So I would stand around and watch as guys stumbled around yelling incoherently, vomiting on every surface and laying on floors and chairs. If I went outside, we were near a busy road, and I would watch guys in their costumes go walking directly into traffic, causing cars to halt and beep as the onlookers watched 14 year old+ boys dance their way across the street while shouting and acting crazy. Pedestrians walking by gave incredulous looks as they witnessed dozens and dozens of intoxicated youth running around a HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS. People parking in front of the Yeshiva would hurry to find the person they were looking for and drive away, as bochurim pounded on their doors and bothered them. You think it's all so nice, such a great thing and kiddush Hashem for people to become shikkur on Purim? Well it's the opposite. It turns a yom tov into a disgrace and chillul Hashem. I agree that you probably won't get teenagers to stop drinking anything on Purim, so let them have a little bit (this doesn't mean rabbeim and adults should let any youth that walks into their home take wine freely) but monitor their intake and make sure they understand the repercussions, and act responsibly.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 06:18 PM Anonymous Says:

If you can't control your self you are anyway a loser...

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 06:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Don't try to spin the holy mitzva, that's the obligation of the day, but it's like everything in life, with a limit.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 06:13 PM Anonymous Says:

People area dying much more of heart disease and from other stress, be honest.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 06:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Being depressed is more dangerous...

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 06:08 PM Anonymous Says:

The whole life is dangerous, we can't stop it's a mitzvah.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 05:38 PM 1084 Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

Although teenagers are by nature immature they like to be spoken to & treated as adults. You obviously do not undertand teenagers.

well i am one and u cant prove me wrong because since when do teens listen of course yidden they listen but by goyim the dont

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 07:05 PM lou bob Says:

Reply to #17  
shmeel from east 7 st Says:

noch amool mit de rebbes and lipa. geneek shoen. im gonna make you happy. on peerim, im gonna drink feer koises mit mine rebbe and ichen tantzen to lipas songs

yup!!! :) same here!!!

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 06:59 PM Parents Shouldn't Teach Their Sons To Drink at Shabbos Kiddushim Says:

How many of these "fathers" get their own sons interested in drinking, letting them "taste" scotch or whiskey on the edge of a plastic knife?

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 06:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Some years ago on Park Heights Ave. in Baltimore a Ner Yisroel "bochur" on Purim failed to make a curve and smashed into a electrical pole and of course got killed. This wonderful "minhag" has the parents to observe a Jahrzeit every Purim. Really a wondrful minhag

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 06:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

If you can't control your self you are anyway a loser...

kids dont know any better. YOU are the loser

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 06:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

The whole life is dangerous, we can't stop it's a mitzvah.

oh please. such hakpada should be displayed on all "mitzvos" halivay.
you dont eat too much maror because you might choke

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 07:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
Parents Shouldn't Teach Their Sons To Drink at Shabbos Kiddushim Says:

How many of these "fathers" get their own sons interested in drinking, letting them "taste" scotch or whiskey on the edge of a plastic knife?

not too many i hope. bopoze on a plastic knife??? what plent are you from? ??

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 09:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

not too many i hope. bopoze on a plastic knife??? what plent are you from? ??

u r living in a closet

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 Mar 04, 2009 at 02:35 AM Anonymous Says:

I don't see a big deal about teens getting some alcohol. Not to get seriously drunk & not to go out in public, but staying in the home or synagogue. I did it & I've seen many others do this to no real harm.

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 Mar 04, 2009 at 01:29 AM seen it all Says:

Reply to #26  
Milhouse Says:

Weinreb has been on this unJewish crusade against alcohol for years. Alcohol is Hashem's blessing and gift, and we have no right to throw it back in His face. Like everything else, it must be used in moderation and with common sense; but used in such a way it is good for the health and the spirit. The Tanach says "veyayin yesamach levav enosh", and Chazal said that to praise Hashem properly it must be on wine. Minhag yisroel for many generations has been to say lechayim, and "tov lev mishteh tomid" (in moderation, that is).

As for "underage" people, just because a bunch of goyim decided 20 years ago on a ridiculous law doesn't mean we have to obey it. Nowhere in Shulchan Aruch will you find such a notion, that yesterday something was mutar and today it becomes asur, just because Congress decided so. Especially a law that exists nowhere else in the world, and makes the USA a laughing stock everywhere else.

The Rambam says in hilchos dai'os that a person who abused food or anything needs to remove him/her self totally from the item they abused until they recovered from the addiction and then they can resume using the item in moderation like most people. A friend who is a very successful Chabad shliach used to make kiddush on mashke shabbos, and would say l'chaim with just about everyone he met. One day he realized he is coming home every night with a high and it's out of control. He then decided no more alcohol and today he makes kiddush on Simchas Torah with grape juice. If u abuse something, you need to remove it totally from your life. Check the AA system, or OA, CEA-HOW, GA, etc.

We have a serious alcohol abuse problem in our communities. In this matzav, restricting access to mashke is the only solution. Your attack on R' Weinreb misses the point. He have a problem and sometimes, total absentation is the solution. You can argue that banning it is self defeating, like prohibition, but that is another issue. When kids are passing out, "yayin yesamach..." does not apply.

BTW, nice seeing you on Shabbos at the BM

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 Mar 04, 2009 at 08:05 AM You call yourself a parent? Says:

Reply to #49  
Anonymous Says:

I don't see a big deal about teens getting some alcohol. Not to get seriously drunk & not to go out in public, but staying in the home or synagogue. I did it & I've seen many others do this to no real harm.

when your "teen" becomes so drunk that he is sick and vomits and makes a laughing stock of him/herself,.. then what do you say.. still no real harm? c'mon you know the deal,.. it's abuse nonetheless

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 Mar 04, 2009 at 10:50 AM Anonymous Says:

I come from parents with a chasidish background and in the short time I had the tzichus to have father I never saw him drank. Yes we had a Purim seudah he was not drank nor any of our frum neighbors iin our apartment house. It is prost Yidishkeit of America to "shiker is a goy". Running around with "mashke" is Russian peasant custom.Remember Lot , yes what happened when he was drank

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 Mar 04, 2009 at 01:16 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #50  
seen it all Says:

The Rambam says in hilchos dai'os that a person who abused food or anything needs to remove him/her self totally from the item they abused until they recovered from the addiction and then they can resume using the item in moderation like most people. A friend who is a very successful Chabad shliach used to make kiddush on mashke shabbos, and would say l'chaim with just about everyone he met. One day he realized he is coming home every night with a high and it's out of control. He then decided no more alcohol and today he makes kiddush on Simchas Torah with grape juice. If u abuse something, you need to remove it totally from your life. Check the AA system, or OA, CEA-HOW, GA, etc.

We have a serious alcohol abuse problem in our communities. In this matzav, restricting access to mashke is the only solution. Your attack on R' Weinreb misses the point. He have a problem and sometimes, total absentation is the solution. You can argue that banning it is self defeating, like prohibition, but that is another issue. When kids are passing out, "yayin yesamach..." does not apply.

BTW, nice seeing you on Shabbos at the BM

Someone who has a problem needs to deal with it HIMSELF. If I am allergic to eggs, I have to stay away from them, but I have no business telling other people who don't have a problem what to do. If someone feels that HE cannot handle even a moderate amount of alcohol let him abstain. If someone feels that even on Purim he can't handle an immoderate amount, then let him stick to his usual level. But to come out against drinking for everyone, or even for all under-21s, is unnatural and unJewish. It is nothing but American puritanism with kosher feet (not to be confused with the actual Puritans, who had no objection at all to alcohol). Weinreb is on a crusade which is not based on Jewish values.

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 Mar 04, 2009 at 01:17 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #51  
You call yourself a parent? Says:

when your "teen" becomes so drunk that he is sick and vomits and makes a laughing stock of him/herself,.. then what do you say.. still no real harm? c'mon you know the deal,.. it's abuse nonetheless

Yes, no harm done. Adolescence is about learning ones limits by testing them. He'll do it a few times and then learn better.

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 Mar 04, 2009 at 02:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #54  
Milhouse Says:

Yes, no harm done. Adolescence is about learning ones limits by testing them. He'll do it a few times and then learn better.

which time will kill him or land him in the hiospital near death or with brain damage as happens every single year ? g-d help anyone who ever has to make a shiduch with someone as warped in parenting as you

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 Mar 04, 2009 at 02:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #54  
Milhouse Says:

Yes, no harm done. Adolescence is about learning ones limits by testing them. He'll do it a few times and then learn better.

why dont you go to the ER purim night with a big banner that says that.

MORON.

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 Mar 04, 2009 at 02:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Tellyeshivos to not send out kids shnorring and guaranteed that drinking will come to a screeching halt. It is the immature yeshiva boys who are filling up at each and every house they solicit at. Yeshivos must put a stop to collecting and lives will be saved. THere are ample opportunities througut the year to solicit funds for yeshivos.

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