“ the moyser should burn in hell. Hagers, our thoughts are with you! ”

“ the moyser should burn in hell. Hagers, our thoughts are with you! ”

“ The "moyser" has a better seat in gan-eden than the Spinka "rebbe." ”

“ The "moyser" has a better seat in gan-eden than the Spinka "rebbe." ”

“ The "moyser" has a better seat in gan-eden than the Spinka "rebbe." ”

“ the moyser should burn in hell. Hagers, our thoughts are with you! ”

“ The "moyser" has a better seat in gan-eden than the Spinka "rebbe." ”

“ What about dina d'malchusa dina. Are you saying since a Rebbe was involved its ok. ”

“ The "moyser" has a better seat in gan-eden than the Spinka "rebbe." ”

“ The "moyser" has a better seat in gan-eden than the Spinka "rebbe." ”

“ Velamalshinim Al Tehee Tikvah! ”

“ the moyser should burn in hell. Hagers, our thoughts are with you! ”

“ So by your comment, you condone such criminal activity? What happend to obeying the law of the land or is that only for Goyim and for those of us to stupid to beleive that we are not above the law and are hard working, law abiding citizens who do pay our taxes. ”

“ I guess you never learned what it says on a "Moyser", I don't think there is anything worse than to become a Moyser on a fellow Yid according to Halacha, so why just write comments that are simply not accurate? on everything a Yid can do Tshuva etc. but on mesira it says Moridin Veloy Maalin, Vein Loy Chelek Beolom Habah! Open a Shilchon Oruch Choshen Mishpat before posting your nasty comments! ”

“ A ridiculous comment from a ridiculous poster.
A moyser has a din of a bu bi machteres and is chayiv misa, while as someone who is oyver dina dimalchusa dina, depending on what was commited, is not chayiv anything. For you to say so blatently that the rebbe is wrong, shows a lack of intelegence and a lack of reasoning. I'm not saying that he is right, just that there is some grey in the matter and its not all black and white. For example, the Ran explains that if there is some prejudice in the matter by which your taxed, ie the rich are taxed heavier than the poor, that dina dimalchusa doesn't apply.
I don't know you very well, but telling by your comment i can only assume that your not that aware of the possible exemptions to the rule of dina dimalchusa.
The bais hamikdush was destroyed because of people by you, who spew hatred on other jews, especially without knowing the facts.
The only answer I have for you, to be dan likafs schus, is that your ignorance got the best of you.
”

“ ganovim and gazlonim are returned to this world as punishment after they drop dead ”

“ Why jail? He should be secretary Of treasury like Geitner. ”

“ The "moyser" has a better seat in gan-eden than the Spinka "rebbe." ”

“ A ridiculous comment from a ridiculous poster.
A moyser has a din of a bu bi machteres and is chayiv misa, while as someone who is oyver dina dimalchusa dina, depending on what was commited, is not chayiv anything. For you to say so blatently that the rebbe is wrong, shows a lack of intelegence and a lack of reasoning. I'm not saying that he is right, just that there is some grey in the matter and its not all black and white. For example, the Ran explains that if there is some prejudice in the matter by which your taxed, ie the rich are taxed heavier than the poor, that dina dimalchusa doesn't apply.
I don't know you very well, but telling by your comment i can only assume that your not that aware of the possible exemptions to the rule of dina dimalchusa.
The bais hamikdush was destroyed because of people by you, who spew hatred on other jews, especially without knowing the facts.
The only answer I have for you, to be dan likafs schus, is that your ignorance got the best of you.
”

“ A ridiculous comment from a ridiculous poster.
A moyser has a din of a bu bi machteres and is chayiv misa, while as someone who is oyver dina dimalchusa dina, depending on what was commited, is not chayiv anything. For you to say so blatently that the rebbe is wrong, shows a lack of intelegence and a lack of reasoning. I'm not saying that he is right, just that there is some grey in the matter and its not all black and white. For example, the Ran explains that if there is some prejudice in the matter by which your taxed, ie the rich are taxed heavier than the poor, that dina dimalchusa doesn't apply.
I don't know you very well, but telling by your comment i can only assume that your not that aware of the possible exemptions to the rule of dina dimalchusa.
The bais hamikdush was destroyed because of people by you, who spew hatred on other jews, especially without knowing the facts.
The only answer I have for you, to be dan likafs schus, is that your ignorance got the best of you.
”

“ To #9 - There is no question that Mesira is a serious issue that shaalos must be asked of competent Rabbonim to see if that halacha applies to a given situation. However, by what you wrote, stealing from the government and lying on you r taxes is not only mutar but almost a mitzvah - HOW KRUM CAN YOU GET??. What about the constant Chillul HaShem every time a "frum" person gets caught in some form of fraud? In many circles - "ultra Orthodox Jews" have no cheskas kashrus in regard to their business practices.

This is why some people respond with venom. Ehrlicher Yidden are sick and tired of all the shtick our co-religionists are all to often caught up in - to the detriment of all other "Orthodox" Jews. ”

“ Alot worse than mesira is chillul Hashem. And there's at least a question if mesirah applies to a country like the US (vs, say, a country like Libya where you know the Jew will be executed). ”

“ You people are lemons who know nothing how this goverment is run. Most tax money is spent irresponsibly by people who themselves dont pay those taxes. Take Carly Rangel, Gietner etc..

Tax evasion NEEDS to become common for the goverment to stop STEALING your money. Dina Dmalchisa does not apply to a democracy, it's not a kingdom. This country belongs to nobody in fact. Of course you have to be fair, but the goverment steals 60 cents on every dollar you earn with outrages income, sales and service taxes. ”

“ Burnie Madoff is a Chillul Hashem. Hager defended himself from a over zealus goverment, it's him money and he should get to keep most of it. The tax system sucks. ”

“ Alot worse than mesira is chillul Hashem. And there's at least a question if mesirah applies to a country like the US (vs, say, a country like Libya where you know the Jew will be executed). ”

“ The real tragedy here is that this rebbe who ran this scam is not going to jail too. That would send a real lesson to yiddim to follow the law and not show such arrogance to the law. There is NO EXCUSE for such a chillul hashem by a rebbe. It was the right thing to turn him and his cohorts over to the FBI. ”

“ Alot worse than mesira is chillul Hashem. And there's at least a question if mesirah applies to a country like the US (vs, say, a country like Libya where you know the Jew will be executed). ”

“ The "moyser" has a better seat in gan-eden than the Spinka "rebbe." ”

“ Dovid Hager is a smart decent compassionate jew who made a mistake. Mesirah is a non-issue since others already "spilled the beans". He made a buisnessmans descion to be the first to admit his mistake, to endure the "knas" & to move on with his life. He is a family man who has a loving wife and children. He is a baal achrayis for klal yisroel as he strongly supports and is active in many worthy klal yisroel causes. His tzedaka is & has always been truly l'shem shamayim & he does not seek any fame for his noble acts. He made a mistake and is paying for it dearly - Hashem yerachem al kulanu.
This has nothing to do with mesirah.
It is a case of a decent man assesing his personal matzav,admitting his foible , paying the price and trying to move back as soon as possible to a fine yiddishe family life that is full of Torah & chesed. ”

“ Dovid Hager is a smart decent compassionate jew who made a mistake. Mesirah is a non-issue since others already "spilled the beans". He made a buisnessmans descion to be the first to admit his mistake, to endure the "knas" & to move on with his life. He is a family man who has a loving wife and children. He is a baal achrayis for klal yisroel as he strongly supports and is active in many worthy klal yisroel causes. His tzedaka is & has always been truly l'shem shamayim & he does not seek any fame for his noble acts. He made a mistake and is paying for it dearly - Hashem yerachem al kulanu.
This has nothing to do with mesirah.
It is a case of a decent man assesing his personal matzav,admitting his foible , paying the price and trying to move back as soon as possible to a fine yiddishe family life that is full of Torah & chesed. ”

“ If you think our "tax system sucks" than move to EY and see how much of your money you will keep in the yiddeshe medinah. There is no difference between Hager, Weisz and Madoff other than the number of zeros after the amount of money they stole from the rest of us. ”

“ A ridiculous comment from a ridiculous poster.
A moyser has a din of a bu bi machteres and is chayiv misa, while as someone who is oyver dina dimalchusa dina, depending on what was commited, is not chayiv anything. For you to say so blatently that the rebbe is wrong, shows a lack of intelegence and a lack of reasoning. I'm not saying that he is right, just that there is some grey in the matter and its not all black and white. For example, the Ran explains that if there is some prejudice in the matter by which your taxed, ie the rich are taxed heavier than the poor, that dina dimalchusa doesn't apply.
I don't know you very well, but telling by your comment i can only assume that your not that aware of the possible exemptions to the rule of dina dimalchusa.
The bais hamikdush was destroyed because of people by you, who spew hatred on other jews, especially without knowing the facts.
The only answer I have for you, to be dan likafs schus, is that your ignorance got the best of you.
”

“ This not only a question of "dina d'malchusa dina". What many of us have been saying is that the bigger averah would have been "non=mesira" or knowing that this massive theft by the "Weisz gang" was ongoing and remaining silent. We are not talking about the heilege rebbe and his cohorts taking an improper business deduction for the costs of chulent and tsimis at the rebbe's tish on motzi shabbos. Its not about failure to report certain perks as "income". This is a massive and deliberte fraud perpetrated with the intent of imposing higher taxes on all the rest of us who already are struggeling to pay our taxes. We have an affirmative moral and legal obligation as yiddim and Americans to report such scams, and not grudgingly say "dina d'malchusa dina". ”

“ You are a traitor to our democracy and the US of A.You belong in jail with Bernie The Ganif. ”

“ The "moyser" has a better seat in gan-eden than the Spinka "rebbe." ”

“ A ridiculous comment from a ridiculous poster.
A moyser has a din of a bu bi machteres and is chayiv misa, while as someone who is oyver dina dimalchusa dina, depending on what was commited, is not chayiv anything. For you to say so blatently that the rebbe is wrong, shows a lack of intelegence and a lack of reasoning. I'm not saying that he is right, just that there is some grey in the matter and its not all black and white. For example, the Ran explains that if there is some prejudice in the matter by which your taxed, ie the rich are taxed heavier than the poor, that dina dimalchusa doesn't apply.
I don't know you very well, but telling by your comment i can only assume that your not that aware of the possible exemptions to the rule of dina dimalchusa.
The bais hamikdush was destroyed because of people by you, who spew hatred on other jews, especially without knowing the facts.
The only answer I have for you, to be dan likafs schus, is that your ignorance got the best of you.
”

“ ganovim and gazlonim are returned to this world as punishment after they drop dead ”

“ This is the first intelligent post I've read all evening on this mater. I'm not sure how "smart" Dovidle is given the facts but at least he is taking personal responsibility. What about this "rebbe"...has he admitted his guilt or is he playing the role of the "victimized" jew as in Rubaskin... ”

“ The IRS says each of us pays an extra $2000 each year because of ganovim such as Hager, weisz etc. who evade taxes..thats stealing from each of us. ”

“ Are you ganz moishege?? You are saying that the behavior of this drech should be excused? He admitted to stealing from all of us. Why do you defend him? Because some low-life rebbe was also involved in the scam. ”

“ The "moyser" has a better seat in gan-eden than the Spinka "rebbe." ”

“ I guess you never learned what it says on a "Moyser", I don't think there is anything worse than to become a Moyser on a fellow Yid according to Halacha, so why just write comments that are simply not accurate? on everything a Yid can do Tshuva etc. but on mesira it says Moridin Veloy Maalin, Vein Loy Chelek Beolom Habah! Open a Shilchon Oruch Choshen Mishpat before posting your nasty comments! ”

“ Weisz didn't steal from anyone, he provided false receipts, it is alleged. Those false receipts were used to avoid giving ones hard earned money to a tax system that takes money from the US and sends it to countries like Palastine. The system takes money to pay for pet projects and earmarks that many time and most times have no benefit for the country as a whole.

Bernie Maddof stole from many, however, you were not one of them. Niether was I and that is why I can say that I hope he is given a penelty where he'll need to come up with a large amount of money that he's hiding so at least some poeple will get their hard earned money back. Putting him einto Jail wont do him good. It's a bigt mistake and uncivil to use a prison as a deterant. Prison should be for dangerous people, not crimes like this and defenitly not tax evasion which is self defence. ”

“ The klai zahav says on perek gimel of hilchus gezala that if someone steals from the klall you are required to be masar. Check it out before you try to sound off like a godol biyisrael. ”

“ this rebbe was using this money as a way to fund his schools.it seems to me that that does not make him a " low life rebbe".maybe he was a desperate rebbe who's desire to help his chassidim clouded his judgement. ”

“ Sorry #25, wrong storry, the rebbe didnt steal from the klal, please check where you posted, and where you wanted to post, I think there might be something wrong with your computer. The rebbe didnt steal from the klal ”

“ The klai zahav says on perek gimel of hilchus gezala that if someone steals from the klall you are required to be masar. Check it out before you try to sound off like a godol biyisrael. ”

“ if he didnt steal from the klal then tell us who he did steal from . ”

“ if he didnt steal from the klal then tell us who he did steal from . ”

“ The rebbe didn't have personal gains.hetook it 4 the yeshiva The people that took the deductions did have personal gains. Now that's a big difference. He got very little charity. He got desperate. Now that's a lot different then a mossur ”

“ The "moyser" has a better seat in gan-eden than the Spinka "rebbe." ”

“ A crime is a crime. Nobody is grieving and crying when some goy swindles the government. However, this so-called rebbe had all the influence and power to stop these shenanigans, why didn't he stop it? What spineless guy. I will never protect a person who uses the trust of businessmen and to his advantage and then let's them take the fall. What a week guy! And he has the nerve to prance around as a rebbe! He should have been the moral compass in this situation and put a stop to it. I say let the so-called rebbe rot in jail for many years to come. Amen. ”