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Jerusalem - Jewish tourists who spend more than 180 days in Israel, even without violating the terms of their tourist visas, are being increasingly harassed by border patrol officials, detained at the crossings and, in some cases, deported to their port of origin or forced to make aliya against their will, according to a Tel Aviv law firm.
Kan-Tor & Acco, a global relocation law firm that specializes in immigration matters and visas to Israel and the US, said Monday that it had noted a significant increase over the past few weeks in the number of Jewish tourists being detained by authorities at the border crossings, after the Interior Ministry deemed them to have exceeded the acceptable time limit for tourist status.
“Most of the time the calls come at night - people call us from the airport’s holding center, panicking and asking us to help bail them out,” Amit Acco, a partner in the firm, told The Jerusalem Post. “In one case, a person was threatened with deportation because of visiting Israel too many times, and although we succeeded in posting a NIS 50,000 bail, it was contingent on the person making aliya within two weeks,” he said.
Acco does not dispute the state’s right to request that anyone who spends so much time in the country that the center of their lives is here adjust their status to something more permanent.
He argues, however, that the Interior Ministry’s immigration policy is not widely known among Jews, and maintains that in recent months, it has been enforced in an erratic and sometimes inhumane manner.
In some cases, Acco points out, Jewish tourists are refused entry with no explanation at all and are simply sent back to the country from which they came.
“That could mean they are handed over to the local authorities in a third country such as Jordan or Egypt and put in a dangerous situation,” he said.
He noted that until recently he would have a maximum of five cases like this a year, but that he was currently working with three clients directly and was aware of at least another 10 similar cases.
“We do not know who is Jewish and who is not when they arrive at the airport,” responded Interior Ministry spokeswoman Sabene Hadad.
“But Israel’s definition of a tourist, just like anywhere else, is non-citizen who makes a short visit to a country. If that person spends many months here or is a student here, then they need to adjust their status accordingly,” she said.
Hadad denied that anyone had been deported and maintained that all those brought in for questioning by airport authorities had previously received warnings that they must consider changing their status or be denied entry.
“Someone who visits Israel excessively will be asked [by the Border Police] to explain what their business is in Israel,” she said.
“If they own an apartment and spend long periods of time here, then they might need to change their status,” she said. “If they are a student, then they need a student visa, and if they are working here, they need to have a work visa.”
However, said Acco, one of the main problems is that many Jews see visiting Israel as their birthright and simply don’t realize that their entry under some circumstances could be contested.
Even when they are warned by the Border Police that they will be denied entry next time, they don’t take it very seriously, he claimed.
“While the law regarding the entry visa is clear, the government does not publicize the fact that if a person spends more than a certain number of days here within a one-year period, they are expected to change their status,” said Acco, calling on the Interior Ministry to make sure Jews worldwide were made fully aware of the regulations.
Hadad, however, refuted the claim that people were unaware of the policy, adding that in most cases it was made very clear to the person, whether they were Jewish or not, that they had to obtain the appropriate visa.
She said the ministry did not plan to publicize the policy in a more formal manner in the near future.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 07:39 AM Anonymous Says:
same should apply to israelis coming to the states
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Mar 24, 2009 at 07:31 AM Hershel Says:
They just are after your money, invest in Israel and don't visit the country
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Mar 24, 2009 at 07:42 AM za003 Says:
wow they must be desprate the isreali government and nefesh b nefesh
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Mar 24, 2009 at 07:57 AM Just Thinking Says:
the numbers are way higher then they could prove. I for one, have been harrased at the border while learning in Israel. Their manners don't exist, they scream, shout, curse and intimidate you into becoming a citizen. I know of one poor boy who signed on a peper becoming a citizen and then forced into the Israeli army, though he lived in the USA all his life.
rules are rules, but that is no excuse for their lack of respect for humans, regardless of what they wear over their head.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 07:52 AM Anonymous Says:
Its only fair; just as in the U.S., if you live in one state more than half the year, your income tax is paid to that state. Jew who "live" in EY most of the year and enjoy the benefits and z'chus of living in eretz hakodesh should help pay the cost of the medninah.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 07:51 AM Anonymous Says:
The same does apply to Israelis who visit the States. The US has implemented a stringent visa application procedure for Israelis who want to visit and now the Israelis are striking back.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 08:07 AM Anonymous Says:
I don't mind being "forced" to become an Israeli citizen. In fact, that's what we want to do. But all this seems weird & I have a hard time with #4's story. Something's off here. Maybe he signed on Purim when he was plastered?
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Mar 24, 2009 at 08:06 AM I WILL STAY AWAY Says:
No problem. I will gladly stay away from now on.
This is a clear use of pressure to try to force people to give up their US Citizenship, and take on Israeli citizenship.
Not in my lifetime... no even after I am dead.... will I do that.
I will not be intimidated.
But, I am convinced.
I will just never visit again. Not even for a chasina or bris.
Nor will I buy Israeli again. If I am not welcome there as a visitor, they will not get a dime of my money either.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 08:30 AM Anonymous Says:
#8, don't you think you're overreacting & being just a tad dramatic? So you don't want to visit...so don't! But to not buy Israeli...what are you going to buy, junk from China that's made by slaves?
Get a life. And calm down, it's bad for your blood pressure.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 08:50 AM Anonymous Says:
“ No problem. I will gladly stay away from now on.
This is a clear use of pressure to try to force people to give up their US Citizenship, and take on Israeli citizenship.
Not in my lifetime... no even after I am dead.... will I do that.
I will not be intimidated.
But, I am convinced.
I will just never visit again. Not even for a chasina or bris.
Nor will I buy Israeli again. If I am not welcome there as a visitor, they will not get a dime of my money either. ”
Hello,
If you live there for more than half the year, you aren't a visitor, you live there!!! The same thing applies in the States. Three NY State recently hit Derek Jeter of the Yankees with a bill for taxes due bexause , even though his primary residence is in Tamoa Florida, he spent 185 days in NY in 2005.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 09:20 AM joe shmoe Says:
speak about manners? sorry you got the wrong country. I was stopped by the egypt border, (fr isr to egpt) guard yells at cmdr yesh po bachur amerikaee, charedy that overstayed a day. please, they hackle you every time you go there. I'm just like #8 also refraining from traveling to israel. we also pay sales tax airport tax hotel tax tax on everything besides for income tax when there. well neither do we work when there. (except that in the same manner they collect income tax from most lazy non working israelis). well if they really want to try getting us tourists from going there or suffering the consequences, they're heading in the right direction.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 09:17 AM Anonymous Says:
“ No problem. I will gladly stay away from now on.
This is a clear use of pressure to try to force people to give up their US Citizenship, and take on Israeli citizenship.
Not in my lifetime... no even after I am dead.... will I do that.
I will not be intimidated.
But, I am convinced.
I will just never visit again. Not even for a chasina or bris.
Nor will I buy Israeli again. If I am not welcome there as a visitor, they will not get a dime of my money either. ”
Ever heard of dual citizenship?
You can hold more than 1 passport, I am American and Belgian, have two passports and use both depending where I travel
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Mar 24, 2009 at 09:05 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Hello,
If you live there for more than half the year, you aren't a visitor, you live there!!! The same thing applies in the States. Three NY State recently hit Derek Jeter of the Yankees with a bill for taxes due bexause , even though his primary residence is in Tamoa Florida, he spent 185 days in NY in 2005. ”
That is not the same as forcing him to give up his Florida residence, and it certainly is not the same as forcing him to stay in NY and fight in NY's army!
I too will avoid Israeli due to this.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 08:55 AM Anonymous Says:
“ No problem. I will gladly stay away from now on.
This is a clear use of pressure to try to force people to give up their US Citizenship, and take on Israeli citizenship.
Not in my lifetime... no even after I am dead.... will I do that.
I will not be intimidated.
But, I am convinced.
I will just never visit again. Not even for a chasina or bris.
Nor will I buy Israeli again. If I am not welcome there as a visitor, they will not get a dime of my money either. ”
You have my vote, but legally you may have dual citizenship.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 09:33 AM Chaim B. Says:
I think this is creazy no country like the USA or Belgium.... has such a rule!
The terms a crystal clear U have 3 month to be in a country in one term. This means you can be in the states for 2.9 month then leave for two days to MEXico and then come again for 2.9 month.
Why should Israel be any different? Money? Taxes?
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Mar 24, 2009 at 10:01 AM Babishka Says:
Israel is the only country in the world that will force citizenship on you as a penalty.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 10:01 AM awacs Says:
“ You have my vote, but legally you may have dual citizenship. ”
Drivel:in the 70's, there was a movement of African-Americans that called themselves "Black Hebrews." They considered it their solemn duty to live in E.Y. Whatever. But Israel, unsurprisingly, wanted no part of them (these ppl were NOT connected with the Ethiopians who came around later). So, what did they do? They flew to Israel on a tourist visa. They then walked in to the US embassy and renounced their U.S. citizenship. Now, Israel can't deport them - no will take them! Dunno what happened to them ...
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Mar 24, 2009 at 09:55 AM awacs Says:
“ You have my vote, but legally you may have dual citizenship. ”
Except that, by accepting Israeli citizenship, you *may*, in effect, renounce your citizenship. (I am a lawyer, but not an immigration lawyer, so I really don't know what I'm talking about here.)
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Mar 24, 2009 at 09:53 AM awacs Says:
“ Hello,
If you live there for more than half the year, you aren't a visitor, you live there!!! The same thing applies in the States. Three NY State recently hit Derek Jeter of the Yankees with a bill for taxes due bexause , even though his primary residence is in Tamoa Florida, he spent 185 days in NY in 2005. ”
It's one thing to say: "Ok, you're really a resident - here's your tax bill."
It's another to say, on your way out: "Ok, you're really a citizen, sign here. And, you'll now be subject to double taxation - Israel and U.S. And, oh yes, you'll forfeit your U.S. citizenship. Oh - almost forgot! After you sign, go to the third door on your right for the waiting bus. Army duty, you know."
It's like something from the Twilight Zone.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 09:44 AM Anonymous Says:
I am married to an israely, can anyone tell me if I should make an alia? What will I be gething my salf into? I was told by some freinds that I might suffer later doun the line.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 10:56 AM Anonymous Says:
This is not new my mother was an isreali who moved to America after she got maried I was brought up in America my whole life but learnd in yeshive for 2 years when I got maried I wanted to go learn for one more year in kolel and I needed health insurence when I came to get my status papers from the interier minestry they claims that since my mom was Israeli and I learnd in yeshiva I know became Israeli and must join the army or get a diferment they confescated my us pasport and gave an isreali one I had to sign up for the army I got permision to leave for three month before starting my tour of duty I askt rav shach zatzl what to do he told me to leave and never come back to the country and I did just that even though my father ah is buried there and my sister is making a weading there in a Month I will only return with moshiach bez"h and by the way my brother tell me that evry time they go thrue they get hekeld about me even though this story goes back close to 18 years
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Mar 24, 2009 at 10:56 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Except that, by accepting Israeli citizenship, you *may*, in effect, renounce your citizenship. (I am a lawyer, but not an immigration lawyer, so I really don't know what I'm talking about here.)
”
You're right - you don't know what you're talking about. The US may revoke citizenship if you request citizenship in another country; there is no requirement that you give up your US citizenship. Also, this is only if you request citizenship in the other country, not if it is imposed on you as a matter of law. That's why when you make Aliya, you only become a resident (not a citizen) of Israel right away; you are only granted citizenship three months later (unless you actively request to remain a resident only).
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Mar 24, 2009 at 10:40 AM Anonymous Says:
Isn't there a law called "chok hashvut" meaning they can't refuse entry to a jew? unless he has a criminal record,like what they did to Mayer Lansky.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 10:27 AM Aryeh Says:
The problem is that if you make ayliah in Israel, you loose out on the major financial benefits and immigration incentives, stipends and grants. This is probably a cost-saving measure to get people who would likely do it anyway eventually, and cost the government tons of money that they don't have.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 11:07 AM Milhouse Says:
“ Except that, by accepting Israeli citizenship, you *may*, in effect, renounce your citizenship. (I am a lawyer, but not an immigration lawyer, so I really don't know what I'm talking about here.)
”
Not if you don't want to. If you're worried that the USA will take your being naturalised as an Israeli as evidence of an intent to renounce your US citizenship, just send the embassy a letter saying that you have no such intention, and keep a copy to show later.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 11:11 AM Anonymous Says:
Why should those who control Eretz Yisrael do anything nice for others?
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Mar 24, 2009 at 11:16 AM Milhouse Says:
“ You're right - you don't know what you're talking about. The US may revoke citizenship if you request citizenship in another country; there is no requirement that you give up your US citizenship. Also, this is only if you request citizenship in the other country, not if it is imposed on you as a matter of law. That's why when you make Aliya, you only become a resident (not a citizen) of Israel right away; you are only granted citizenship three months later (unless you actively request to remain a resident only). ”
Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about either. The USA may *never* revoke someone's citizenship without his consent. Once you are legitimately a USA citizen, either by birth or naturalisation, you can only lose it by voluntarily renouncing it. Now if you apply for foreign citizenship the State Dept may wrongly *assume* you intended to renounce your USA citizenship, in which case you have to correct their error; but if you do correct it you keep your citizenship. All you have to show is that you didn't intend to renounce it. But current State Dept policy is not to make such an assumption, because when they used to make it they turned out to be wrong too often.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 11:17 AM Milhouse Says:
“ Isn't there a law called "chok hashvut" meaning they can't refuse entry to a jew? unless he has a criminal record,like what they did to Mayer Lansky. ”
They can't refuse you an immigrant visa. They can refuse you a tourist visa.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 11:21 AM Milhouse Says:
“ Isn't there a law called "chok hashvut" meaning they can't refuse entry to a jew? unless he has a criminal record,like what they did to Mayer Lansky. ”
I have a distant relative who's been living in Israel for years on a tourist visa, and has a business there which employs several people. He's definitely a net benefit to the Israeli economy, but he has no interest in becoming an oleh, paying Israeli taxes, being subject to the draft, etc. Years ago they tried to force him to become an oleh, and he told them point blank that if they pressed the point he would close his business, fire his workers, and never come back. They could have him as a tourist or not at all, which would they rather? They dropped it like a hot potato and never mentioned it again.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 12:06 PM Anonymous Says:
What about the guys and girls who spend a year or two learning in Yeshiva or Seminary?
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Mar 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM vb Says:
“ What about the guys and girls who spend a year or two learning in Yeshiva or Seminary? ”
Then you go to their consulate and get a student visa and tell them upfront that you're there for a full year and they won't cause you any troubles. They could cause troubles if you just show up there and get a tourist visa at the airport like everyone else and then stay for a year.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 12:57 PM Anonymous Says:
Baseball players in the U.S have to pay taxes in every city they play and visit.
Most people do not know this little tid bit. Most players are making millions and I am not crying for them but they do pay MILLIONS of dollars per year in taxes.
American players who play for the Toronto Blue Jays have to pay even more since they are playing in a different country.
Nobody gets away with not paying taxes just because they live in israel or vise versa.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 03:25 PM Anonymous Says:
“ This is not new my mother was an isreali who moved to America after she got maried I was brought up in America my whole life but learnd in yeshive for 2 years when I got maried I wanted to go learn for one more year in kolel and I needed health insurence when I came to get my status papers from the interier minestry they claims that since my mom was Israeli and I learnd in yeshiva I know became Israeli and must join the army or get a diferment they confescated my us pasport and gave an isreali one I had to sign up for the army I got permision to leave for three month before starting my tour of duty I askt rav shach zatzl what to do he told me to leave and never come back to the country and I did just that even though my father ah is buried there and my sister is making a weading there in a Month I will only return with moshiach bez"h and by the way my brother tell me that evry time they go thrue they get hekeld about me even though this story goes back close to 18 years
”
OY! I can not support a country such as that with my money. No way!
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Mar 24, 2009 at 03:23 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Ever heard of dual citizenship?
You can hold more than 1 passport, I am American and Belgian, have two passports and use both depending where I travel ”
Pressuring (read that "tricking") kids into citizenship is cruel and abusive, and especially when they are then tossed into the army!
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Mar 24, 2009 at 03:11 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Baseball players in the U.S have to pay taxes in every city they play and visit.
Most people do not know this little tid bit. Most players are making millions and I am not crying for them but they do pay MILLIONS of dollars per year in taxes.
American players who play for the Toronto Blue Jays have to pay even more since they are playing in a different country.
Nobody gets away with not paying taxes just because they live in israel or vise versa. ”
Really? Baseball players "have to pay taxes in every city they play and visit." Perhaps you're still a bit tipsy from Purim, because this is just dumb. People pay taxes to a state (or states), they do not fill out forms for paying taxes to cities. People pay taxes to one state, where they are employed. No player pays taxes in more than one state, I guarantee you.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 04:31 PM help Says:
it would be nice if someone made a synopsis of whats coming and what to do i was seriously thinking of visiting now i dont know what to think?
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Mar 24, 2009 at 04:44 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I have a distant relative who's been living in Israel for years on a tourist visa, and has a business there which employs several people. He's definitely a net benefit to the Israeli economy, but he has no interest in becoming an oleh, paying Israeli taxes, being subject to the draft, etc. Years ago they tried to force him to become an oleh, and he told them point blank that if they pressed the point he would close his business, fire his workers, and never come back. They could have him as a tourist or not at all, which would they rather? They dropped it like a hot potato and never mentioned it again. ”
Aha..! So your relative wants the benefits of making mucho dollars in Israel but doesn't want to pay its taxes. How nice..!
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Mar 24, 2009 at 05:04 PM been there Says:
“ Its only fair; just as in the U.S., if you live in one state more than half the year, your income tax is paid to that state. Jew who "live" in EY most of the year and enjoy the benefits and z'chus of living in eretz hakodesh should help pay the cost of the medninah. ”
If you work in Israel, you pay taxes whether you are a citizen or resident. Residents who are not legal citizens actually pay tax at a high rate.
There is no double taxation, as US and Israel have an income tax treaty. You pay taxes where you are a "resident" - not necessarily the same thing as "citizen" and when you file your income tax return for the other country, you get a credit for the taxes you paid to your resident country.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 05:37 PM BH Says:
its about time!
seriously. this is for all the spoiled americans in maalot dafna and mattersdorf who live in israel and keep renewing their tourist visas going back and forth to "home" for pesach or the summer. ("kollel yungerleit" aka scammers) who should be contibuting to israeli society and paying taxes like everyone else who lives there.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 07:32 PM been there Says:
“ its about time!
seriously. this is for all the spoiled americans in maalot dafna and mattersdorf who live in israel and keep renewing their tourist visas going back and forth to "home" for pesach or the summer. ("kollel yungerleit" aka scammers) who should be contibuting to israeli society and paying taxes like everyone else who lives there. ”
They do contribute. They support many local businesses. Why the derogatory tone? Israelis all go "home" to their parents for every chag and most Shabbosim - why do you begrudge Americans who live in Israel & want to go "home" to their families once a year?
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Mar 24, 2009 at 08:55 PM Anonymous Says:
“ They can't refuse you an immigrant visa. They can refuse you a tourist visa. ”
To me it is not a money thing.
How dare they take a student, and harrass and threaten him until he signs papers, which I am sure he did not understand, and then tell him he is a citizen, and in going to the Army.
This is not acceptable behavior.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 08:54 PM Anonymous Says:
“ They can't refuse you an immigrant visa. They can refuse you a tourist visa. ”
They HAVE been refusing immigrant visas for those who are too old for the army, and who are coming without "enough money" to settle in comfortably.
They also HAVE been refusing immigrant visas for any Jew who has "problems" and is a "burden" on society.
I know an older man, from my shul, his dream was to make "Aliyah." We all raised money to send him to Israel. When he was honest on the application paperwork, and said he is in therapy for depression, and is not working at this time, THEY TURNED HIM DOWN!
They said they were afraid he would become a burden on society.
I think there is something missing in a country which will refuse its own. All Jews were supposed to be welcome there. Not anymore.
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Mar 24, 2009 at 11:33 PM Anonymous Says:
“ They do contribute. They support many local businesses. Why the derogatory tone? Israelis all go "home" to their parents for every chag and most Shabbosim - why do you begrudge Americans who live in Israel & want to go "home" to their families once a year? ”
SO? that gives them the right to take advantage and scam the gvt? because they spend their parents money? big deal! you wouldnt feel the same way about the mexicans in new york!
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Mar 25, 2009 at 12:03 AM Milhouse Says:
“ Aha..! So your relative wants the benefits of making mucho dollars in Israel but doesn't want to pay its taxes. How nice..! ”
He could make a lot more money in America. And if Israel insists on making him an oleh, and taxing him, then that is exactly what he will do, and they will be the losers.
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Mar 25, 2009 at 12:16 AM secular Danny` Says:
its actually pretty logical why america forces israelis who volley from israel to america to become citizens. israelis have an awful habit of coming in on tourist visas and then illegally working. they either continuously extend their tourist visas or fly back and forth and get new ones, so they can continue working for illegally working for moishes moving.
israel and america also made a deal to limit the intake of russians who go from israel to america because they have an awful habit of stealing klita money (absorption money) then ditching to america. now russians leaving israel go to canada.
what israel is doing is wrong, though, those people who go back and forth spend hundreds of thousands of shekels there and merrily pay israel's ridiculous taxes and probably count of a good portion of israel's tax revenue. but that is not enough, now they want to take people and force them to serve in their army and declare their loyalty only to israel. stay away from israel be patriotic to the country you live in. life there better in your home than it is in israel anyway.
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Mar 26, 2009 at 05:22 AM me Says:
It would seem perfectly geared to harassing bachurim or girls in seminary to become israeli. A very dumb thing to do.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 08:11 PM rachamim ben ami Says:
As for everyone talking about how thankful Israel should be, because people are spnding money in Israel...You are not doing it as tourists and neither as true residents, ergo nothing is going for infrastructure and society as a whole. You spend money on your personal needs for whatever limited time you spend there. Meanwhile, an already over burdened system and infrastructure is serving your greater needs.
Is it any wonder that Charedim SOMETIMES find anger there? Do any of you know how many Charedim are inducted into the IDF annually? Want to take a guess? Even with Caredi units like 97, and the Hesder zprogramme the vast majority of Charedim would never dream of defending the Jewish Nation, Jewish Holy sites, and that sadly also includes the vast majority of full time Israeli Charedim so all the chest thumping and outrage is ridiculous, more than that it borders on pathetic...All one sees here is Charedim fufilling the secular stereotype of Charedim seeking a freeride. Maybe you ought to think of that.
As for boycotting Israel, seems that some here need to study Talmud-Torah a tad bit more, our ancestors would turn in their graves hearing that nonsense. You see a problem? Fix it, because whether you realise it or not only 1 nation in the world will be guaranteed to welcome you if your sweet materielistic lives turn sour.
2 geberations from signs even in NYC that forbade Jews and dogs, in that order and geniuses talk of never going near Israel because they have the chutzpah to expect you to take responsibilities for your choices. SHAME.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 07:57 PM rachamim ben ami Says:
Utter nonsense. What nation in the world will allow multiple entires withina year on a Tourist Visa? NOT ONE.
As for the US, npw they are not even allowing nations with reciprocal agreements like Japan from entering at will in 1 FY, and yet there are people here screaming about BOYCOTTING Israel? Ignorant might be too nice a word, though it does loosely describe such musings.
As for an American or anyone be forced to become a citizen, absolute nonsense. IF you are spending 6 months anywhere you are an ingrate, UNLESS you act like an adult and pull your weight. As for "forcing" a person to become a itizen and then serve in the IDF, easy solution: Stay in your materielistic home and stop whining, end of problem.
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May 05, 2009 at 06:38 AM Anonymous Says:
Do you see, Jews, how from one remark a fire starts? Lashon Hara against the Land, fabricated facts due to misunderstandings and more. Anyone who has a question, ask the right person and get answers. But you must stop angering Jews into saying they wont come to Israel or support Israel. That is terrible. Meanwhile, Jews, come home to Israel. America is not your home, you are permitted to make a permanent dwelling in the galut under certain circumstances, but not a permanent one. Wake up, look around you and see that America is changing and not the friendly place it used to be for Yidden.
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Mar 27, 2010 at 04:19 PM Hey,that's my name! Says:
“ No problem. I will gladly stay away from now on.
This is a clear use of pressure to try to force people to give up their US Citizenship, and take on Israeli citizenship.
Not in my lifetime... no even after I am dead.... will I do that.
I will not be intimidated.
But, I am convinced.
I will just never visit again. Not even for a chasina or bris.
Nor will I buy Israeli again. If I am not welcome there as a visitor, they will not get a dime of my money either. ”
This is totally off topic (and a year later) however in your post you state;
"I will just never visit again. Not even for a chasina or bris.
My question to you is this - What is chasina?
It may seem like a silly question - however it happens to be my given name or first name. Until recently I couldn't find it in name books, even now it is rare to do so.
There are a few different places or things in the US, Alaska mostly, with the name Chasina - but nobody has any idea what it means or where it came from (though I was told once it was Alaskan Native - possibly Tlingit - and it meant dog salmon... which is a complete fabrication.
Shot in the dark, but I had to ask!
Thanks so much!