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Bnei Brak, Israel - Two young men were lightly wounded in a brawl that broke out between two groups of youths in the Satmar yeshiva in Bnei Brak on Saturday night.
One of the men was stabbed and the other was wounded by a stone, which was hurled at him.
Police arrested two men in their twenties suspected of involvement in the fight.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:27 PM What? Says:
Stabbed??? I'm confused
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:31 PM moshe kapoyer Says:
Such a kiddish hashem!! Reb yoel must be soooo proud of zali and aroni.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:27 PM Josh Says:
The fight was between the stmar's or Outsiders ?
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:26 PM kivi says Says:
Such nice loving people the satmar chasidim are I am guessing it was a zali against an aroni who won? was it a tie? Or maybe just a replay!
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:24 PM Anonymous Says:
It's the Tziyonim Fault
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:22 PM Anonymous Says:
A kiddush hashem. How wonderful!
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:19 PM the judge Says:
lightly wounded is not bad; they will go back and learn.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:18 PM . Says:
Why is there a Satmar Yeshiva there?
They do not believe in the government, yet they take money from the government. They do not believe in Hakaras Hatov, yet they walk in the streets paved by people who pay taxes, they live in a town with police who they do not pay. They live in a land that thousands of soldiers have died for, yet they can not say a misheberach in their yeshiva for their well being.
They are more appreciated in Iran. Just ask 'Rabbi' Moshe Weiss
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:37 PM Josh Says:
“ Why is there a Satmar Yeshiva there?
They do not believe in the government, yet they take money from the government. They do not believe in Hakaras Hatov, yet they walk in the streets paved by people who pay taxes, they live in a town with police who they do not pay. They live in a land that thousands of soldiers have died for, yet they can not say a misheberach in their yeshiva for their well being.
They are more appreciated in Iran. Just ask 'Rabbi' Moshe Weiss ”
Your comment is irrelevant ! analyze the story please !
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:36 PM Dovid Says:
A Saturday night bar fight. HOW NICE
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:35 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Stabbed??? I'm confused ”
Is this a arone zaly fight or just about isreal?
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:40 PM Anonymous Says:
they dont take any money from them
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:39 PM Anonymous Says:
I am not a Satmar but I am apalled at the sinah against Satmar being shown here.
This was a fight between a couple of troublemakers. This can anywhere noone can claim that their group does not contain some misguided and disturbed individuals.
They have an excuse that they are nebech sick and disturbed - what's the excuse of the haters here that want to paint the whole group that way.
How do you like it when the jew haters say that we are all a bunch of Madoffs
or at least Madoff wannabes. Do teshuvah !!!!
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:53 PM Kol Hakovod #13 Says:
My thoughts exactly
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I am not a Satmar but I am apalled at the sinah against Satmar being shown here.
This was a fight between a couple of troublemakers. This can anywhere noone can claim that their group does not contain some misguided and disturbed individuals.
They have an excuse that they are nebech sick and disturbed - what's the excuse of the haters here that want to paint the whole group that way.
How do you like it when the jew haters say that we are all a bunch of Madoffs
or at least Madoff wannabes. Do teshuvah !!!! ”
A Gut Vuch:
G-d Bless you Anon #13.
well Said.
Halevay yirbeh kamocha b'yisrael.
Moshiach would sure be here.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:54 PM merking Says:
“ Why is there a Satmar Yeshiva there?
They do not believe in the government, yet they take money from the government. They do not believe in Hakaras Hatov, yet they walk in the streets paved by people who pay taxes, they live in a town with police who they do not pay. They live in a land that thousands of soldiers have died for, yet they can not say a misheberach in their yeshiva for their well being.
They are more appreciated in Iran. Just ask 'Rabbi' Moshe Weiss ”
sorry to say it but you make sense. how did the jewish people get so messed up?
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:56 PM Gefilte Fish Says:
If it happened in Bnei Brak and stabbing was involved I have no doubt that it was a fight between satmar bocherem and some bored shabbabnikim, as bad as the aroni zali fights go, stabbing is not of the things they do, the shababniks have exlucive rights to that.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 08:58 PM joe shmoe Says:
no story just 2 facts and many opinions making facts and demonizing people based on these opinion based facts. UGLY HEADS, GET BACK UNDER YOUR COVERS! first of all was the fight between satmars at all or just a fight happening in satmar. second of all lets even ASSUME it was between zali and arons people, is a fight between 2 people dirty laundry for all of satmar? or lets assume 3) it was satmars (not just people unassociated) in satmar (not just in front) by everybody (not just 2 ppl) fighting over aron and zali (not any other financial or other satmar unassociated fight) !
Now it's really our job to demonize, to slander, to try patting ourselves on the back saying "those satmars are bad and were the good ones, for being able to speak out our smart, well thought out, fabricated lies and nobody will realize. we'll be better people even without doing anything to deserve it rather than belittling other people!"
TIME TO STOP THE SINAS CHINAM!
IF YOU FEEL THAT THEY ARE BETTER THEN YOU AND HATE THEM FOR THAT, WORK ON YOURSELF TO "BE BETTER" THEN THEM RATHER THEN TRYING TO BELITTLE THEM IN ORDER TO "FEEL BETTER" THAN THEM.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 09:23 PM Josh Says:
“ sorry to say it but you make sense. how did the jewish people get so messed up? ”
Good question !
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Apr 25, 2009 at 09:21 PM lets wait and see Says:
“ sorry to say it but you make sense. how did the jewish people get so messed up? ”
Is it possible that they were outsiders who had a fight while in the satmar shul. It does happen and sometimes it even happens on purpose. The negative comments are really sad lets just be quiet sometimes that helps.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 09:20 PM MP Says:
“ I am not a Satmar but I am apalled at the sinah against Satmar being shown here.
This was a fight between a couple of troublemakers. This can anywhere noone can claim that their group does not contain some misguided and disturbed individuals.
They have an excuse that they are nebech sick and disturbed - what's the excuse of the haters here that want to paint the whole group that way.
How do you like it when the jew haters say that we are all a bunch of Madoffs
or at least Madoff wannabes. Do teshuvah !!!! ”
Many chasidim like Belz, Klauzenburg, lubavitch and many others are the ones who enjoy when they are busy with their inner conflicts.
They are taught that anyone who doesn't believe in their Shita (Ideology) should forced into submission.
Now, those principals are coming back to haunt them.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 09:18 PM millstous Says:
“ If it happened in Bnei Brak and stabbing was involved I have no doubt that it was a fight between satmar bocherem and some bored shabbabnikim, as bad as the aroni zali fights go, stabbing is not of the things they do, the shababniks have exlucive rights to that. ”
Sorry, you are totally wrong, it was a fight between to Satmar factions, one that has being ongoing for a long time.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 09:17 PM true thinking Says:
I don't know ho is right or wrong but a massive chillul hashem
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Apr 25, 2009 at 09:16 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Your comment is irrelevant ! analyze the story please ! ”
His comment is of utmost relevence. They should not be there, then there would be no fight.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 09:14 PM Anonymous Says:
You are full of garbage when you need help you all come to satmar but you hate them with passion shame on you
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Apr 25, 2009 at 09:48 PM Anonymous Says:
“ It's the Tziyonim Fault ”
Its about time to stop in mixing stories from individuels into deep yidishe shites its like blaiming abamo for every black criminal act that will happen in usa durring his codens. Please! don't get exited from your 'soanes' flops those things will not show that the satmer rebbi was not right with his 'derech'.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 10:03 PM WHY? Says:
What was the fight about? Who was walking around with a knife and why?
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Apr 25, 2009 at 10:12 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Why is there a Satmar Yeshiva there?
They do not believe in the government, yet they take money from the government. They do not believe in Hakaras Hatov, yet they walk in the streets paved by people who pay taxes, they live in a town with police who they do not pay. They live in a land that thousands of soldiers have died for, yet they can not say a misheberach in their yeshiva for their well being.
They are more appreciated in Iran. Just ask 'Rabbi' Moshe Weiss ”
Who on earth told you that they take money from the government? They have as much right to live in EY as any other Jew. It belongs to every Jew, not to the government. Nobody has the right to expel a Jew from EY or from any part of EY.
As far as they're concerned, if the Zionists hadn't started up with the Arabs in the early 20th century there would be no danger in the first place. When Jews lived as dhimmis under the Ottomans, they didn't need an army. Only when they started taking over did the Arabs start rioting and killing. This was always the taanah of the old Yishuv; they were there before the Zionists came and made trouble for them.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 09:55 PM Anonymous Says:
I just check the 2008 satmar member list there is about 27 thousand listed. So when something happens with chassidim chances are very high it is with a satmar.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 09:06 PM Anonymous Says:
At least they waited till after Shabbos!
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Apr 25, 2009 at 09:02 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I am not a Satmar but I am apalled at the sinah against Satmar being shown here.
This was a fight between a couple of troublemakers. This can anywhere noone can claim that their group does not contain some misguided and disturbed individuals.
They have an excuse that they are nebech sick and disturbed - what's the excuse of the haters here that want to paint the whole group that way.
How do you like it when the jew haters say that we are all a bunch of Madoffs
or at least Madoff wannabes. Do teshuvah !!!! ”
Well said! Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Apr 25, 2009 at 09:01 PM Anonymous Says:
B"H
sinas chinam is wrong... stop being so happy that yidden other then u hadd a fight.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 10:18 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Sorry, you are totally wrong, it was a fight between to Satmar factions, one that has being ongoing for a long time. ”
How do you know? Were you there?
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Apr 25, 2009 at 10:28 PM Josh Says:
“ You are full of garbage when you need help you all come to satmar but you hate them with passion shame on you ”
Well Said !!!
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Apr 25, 2009 at 10:19 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Its about time to stop in mixing stories from individuels into deep yidishe shites its like blaiming abamo for every black criminal act that will happen in usa durring his codens. Please! don't get exited from your 'soanes' flops those things will not show that the satmer rebbi was not right with his 'derech'. ”
Maybe if you wrote this in English people might understand you.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 10:53 PM good news Says:
“ Why is there a Satmar Yeshiva there?
They do not believe in the government, yet they take money from the government. They do not believe in Hakaras Hatov, yet they walk in the streets paved by people who pay taxes, they live in a town with police who they do not pay. They live in a land that thousands of soldiers have died for, yet they can not say a misheberach in their yeshiva for their well being.
They are more appreciated in Iran. Just ask 'Rabbi' Moshe Weiss ”
They do not & I repeat do not take any money from the isreali govermant that's why they r always here in brokklyn for money so I would like to see an apology a gut voch
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Apr 25, 2009 at 10:48 PM chaim Says:
i disticntly remember back in the late 70's,when some satmarer hooligans cut of the beard and beat up reb mendel wechter,the lubavitcher rebbe z't'l said at the farbrengen,that he is sure that there will come a time,when these jew haters of satmar will start to devour each other ,and sure enough we have merited to see the rebbes nevueh come true,and by the way i am not a chabadnick,but a former student in satmar
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Apr 25, 2009 at 10:47 PM Anonymous Says:
Slightly wounded? THEY SHOULD LEARN TO FIGHT FROM PONOVITZ!!!
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Apr 25, 2009 at 11:26 PM Anonymous Says:
“
Many chasidim like Belz, Klauzenburg, lubavitch and many others are the ones who enjoy when they are busy with their inner conflicts.
They are taught that anyone who doesn't believe in their Shita (Ideology) should forced into submission.
Now, those principals are coming back to haunt them. ”
When a person makes statements like your's, painting whe groups with one broad stripe, the person making the accusations is no different than any other sonai yisroel ym"s.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 10:43 PM jj Says:
savages
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Apr 25, 2009 at 11:32 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Sorry, you are totally wrong, it was a fight between to Satmar factions, one that has being ongoing for a long time. ”
Yeah, so what? That makes all Satmar and all chassidim bad people?
Why do you all feel a need to excuse your hatred of Satmar? Just say the truth! We live in a free world. You are free to hate Satmar for no reason too! Why do some people spend so much time and effort justifying their sinah for other yiddin? Save the time and effort (which hasn't produced a good excuse anyway) and use all your time and energy on the important thing: hating Satmar.
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Apr 25, 2009 at 11:31 PM Rippin Pinchas Says:
“ Why is there a Satmar Yeshiva there?
They do not believe in the government, yet they take money from the government. They do not believe in Hakaras Hatov, yet they walk in the streets paved by people who pay taxes, they live in a town with police who they do not pay. They live in a land that thousands of soldiers have died for, yet they can not say a misheberach in their yeshiva for their well being.
They are more appreciated in Iran. Just ask 'Rabbi' Moshe Weiss ”
Typical Zionist propaganda. Why should they be there? Becuase it is the Eretz Hakodesh, regardless of who is running it. The Zionist propaganda machine will tell you that Medinat Yisroel and Eretz Yisroel are one in the same. In actuallity, they are 2 different things.
Enjoy the yom hatzmeut bar-b-cue and concert.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 07:32 AM . Says:
“ Who on earth told you that they take money from the government? They have as much right to live in EY as any other Jew. It belongs to every Jew, not to the government. Nobody has the right to expel a Jew from EY or from any part of EY.
As far as they're concerned, if the Zionists hadn't started up with the Arabs in the early 20th century there would be no danger in the first place. When Jews lived as dhimmis under the Ottomans, they didn't need an army. Only when they started taking over did the Arabs start rioting and killing. This was always the taanah of the old Yishuv; they were there before the Zionists came and made trouble for them. ”
Really? who paved the streets that they walk on? Who pays the policeman that protects them from theives? Who pays for the street lights that lighp up their way when they go home at night? Who pays the army who protects their lives?
If they do noy pay taxes, then everyone else has to suffer and pay more. THis is not a 'zionist' fact, this is a fact of life.They are taking these services from the government, as well as the 'free' medical care, free social services care and everything else that they do not pay for.
As far as your 'facts' on zionism - Jews were persucuted in EVERY arab country in the world. You probably find that acceptable, as long as they count their dead every week and do not complain. You do not want the jews to defend themselves, you can not bear to say a tfilla to those who actually defend themselves AND defend you and you say that everyone else is stopping Moshiach from coming..
Maybe #8 is correct. They can go to Iran where they will really be appreciated and members of society. They do NOT have a right to live anywhere as long as they have no responsibillity, be it in Bnei Brak, Iran or Kiryas Yoel.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 07:39 AM . Says:
“ Typical Zionist propaganda. Why should they be there? Becuase it is the Eretz Hakodesh, regardless of who is running it. The Zionist propaganda machine will tell you that Medinat Yisroel and Eretz Yisroel are one in the same. In actuallity, they are 2 different things.
Enjoy the yom hatzmeut bar-b-cue and concert. ”
All you are showing is hate, hate, hate for your fellow Yid. Moshiach cannot and will not come because you need a whipping boy to blame all of your problems on and the 'zionist jewboy' seems to be your answer for today.
Where is your hakaras hatov for the chayalim that sacrifice their lives so that you can sit in a Yeshiva all day and learn? Is that what they not teach in the yeshivot - to hate and take from your fellow Jew without giving in return?
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Apr 26, 2009 at 02:11 AM rabbi stern Says:
“ Why is there a Satmar Yeshiva there?
They do not believe in the government, yet they take money from the government. They do not believe in Hakaras Hatov, yet they walk in the streets paved by people who pay taxes, they live in a town with police who they do not pay. They live in a land that thousands of soldiers have died for, yet they can not say a misheberach in their yeshiva for their well being.
They are more appreciated in Iran. Just ask 'Rabbi' Moshe Weiss ”
#8 you talk like a real jew hater (soyne yisroel) you hate a chasidishe jew with beard and payes.
That's exactly why we heimishe jews don't support a govrement and a land that is fighting to rip out the torah and yidishkeit.
Stores are open on shabbos, stores are selling pork, Israeli girls very not properly dressed, hitting us heimishe jews who try to keep their neighborhoods clean from the outside world and keeping kedishas hasabos, allowing archaeology digging up the graves from our holy tzadikim from years ago.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 01:00 AM Anonymous Says:
“ i disticntly remember back in the late 70's,when some satmarer hooligans cut of the beard and beat up reb mendel wechter,the lubavitcher rebbe z't'l said at the farbrengen,that he is sure that there will come a time,when these jew haters of satmar will start to devour each other ,and sure enough we have merited to see the rebbes nevueh come true,and by the way i am not a chabadnick,but a former student in satmar ”
witch rabbis neviah is the fight in lubavich?... and whoms is the fight in klausenburg?.... and witch moran for saw the fight in bobov. or phonyevich?......
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Apr 26, 2009 at 12:58 AM novie Says:
Reply to #38 Lubavitcher Rebbe said thay will fight in Satmar? what a neviah. youu could count on 1 hand how many chasidus are not fighting with each other todays days including Chabad Meshichisten or not. Bobov. Spinka . Toldos aron. pupa. Vishnitz. Etc.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 12:44 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Who on earth told you that they take money from the government? They have as much right to live in EY as any other Jew. It belongs to every Jew, not to the government. Nobody has the right to expel a Jew from EY or from any part of EY.
As far as they're concerned, if the Zionists hadn't started up with the Arabs in the early 20th century there would be no danger in the first place. When Jews lived as dhimmis under the Ottomans, they didn't need an army. Only when they started taking over did the Arabs start rioting and killing. This was always the taanah of the old Yishuv; they were there before the Zionists came and made trouble for them. ”
".... As far as they're concerned, if the Zionists hadn't started up with the Arabs in the early 20th century there would be no danger in the first place. ...."
Now that you've presented "their" point of view (maybe your point of view too?), you may want to point out to them that were massacres (e.g. 1929 in Chevron) that were not directly related to Zionism.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 12:35 AM Avraham Says:
“ Why is there a Satmar Yeshiva there?
They do not believe in the government, yet they take money from the government. They do not believe in Hakaras Hatov, yet they walk in the streets paved by people who pay taxes, they live in a town with police who they do not pay. They live in a land that thousands of soldiers have died for, yet they can not say a misheberach in their yeshiva for their well being.
They are more appreciated in Iran. Just ask 'Rabbi' Moshe Weiss ”
actually there's no police in bene beraq...
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Apr 26, 2009 at 12:15 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Maybe if you wrote this in English people might understand you. ”
If you don't want to understand is this the best 'chader answer'.....!
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Apr 26, 2009 at 08:56 AM Anonymous Says:
“ When a person makes statements like your's, painting whe groups with one broad stripe, the person making the accusations is no different than any other sonai yisroel ym"s. ”
Unfortunately that's the truth
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Apr 26, 2009 at 09:54 AM . Says:
“ #8 you talk like a real jew hater (soyne yisroel) you hate a chasidishe jew with beard and payes.
That's exactly why we heimishe jews don't support a govrement and a land that is fighting to rip out the torah and yidishkeit.
Stores are open on shabbos, stores are selling pork, Israeli girls very not properly dressed, hitting us heimishe jews who try to keep their neighborhoods clean from the outside world and keeping kedishas hasabos, allowing archaeology digging up the graves from our holy tzadikim from years ago. ”
I am a chereidi with a beard and payis. I am also Litvishe, like Reb Moshe and many others.
If you tried to be mekarev the other yidden, then there might have been another answer in Eretz Yisroel. As long as you roll out your banner of hate hate hate all the tziyonim, for whatever reason you find today, there will be no moshiach and no peace. Too bad the word achdus is not in your vocabulary.
Everything you say in the second paragraph is mostly true. So - what's your point? Want to burn up their Jew card? Or try some kiruv .
How did they teach yiddishkeit to the 3 milllion Jews in the USSR? A little at a time. THere were those who wanted to teach them taharas Hamishpacha, before they knew what Shabbas and Kashrus were. You have to be an example of ahavat yisroel, not Sin'ah. And so far, you have shown nothing.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 09:42 AM Anonymous Says:
anyone who has Eminaas Tzadikim shouldnt be surprisped by this story at all!!!! There's a tape from the holy Klausenberger rebbe Ztz'l Parshaas Kedoishim in the 70"s that he exclaimed Beruach Kudshoi, that DIE RESHUYIM VELEN ZICH NUCH EIN TUG OISHARGENEN EINER DEHM TZVIETEN!!!!
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Apr 26, 2009 at 09:08 AM Anonymous Says:
“ ".... As far as they're concerned, if the Zionists hadn't started up with the Arabs in the early 20th century there would be no danger in the first place. ...."
Now that you've presented "their" point of view (maybe your point of view too?), you may want to point out to them that were massacres (e.g. 1929 in Chevron) that were not directly related to Zionism.
”
Who told you it was not connected to Zionism? In fact the zionists came to Chevron to agitate against the local arabs and the ros yeshivos begged them to leave but they wouldn't. When the pogrom started of course Begin was nowhere to be seen, but the fruits of his actions were there. Somehow, you manage to convince yourselves that zionism started in 1948. However. it older than that and has caused problems long before that. Look at what the Rashab writes in Kuntress umayan.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 09:04 AM Anonymous Says:
Today except of fress code there is really no difference between chasidish and lutvish. A littvish guy is just a Chusid without a sense of humor. So, let just all klal yisroel be loved together and stop the stereotype.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 09:03 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Who on earth told you that they take money from the government? They have as much right to live in EY as any other Jew. It belongs to every Jew, not to the government. Nobody has the right to expel a Jew from EY or from any part of EY.
As far as they're concerned, if the Zionists hadn't started up with the Arabs in the early 20th century there would be no danger in the first place. When Jews lived as dhimmis under the Ottomans, they didn't need an army. Only when they started taking over did the Arabs start rioting and killing. This was always the taanah of the old Yishuv; they were there before the Zionists came and made trouble for them. ”
Read the history books. The Hashmite rulers Faisal and Abdullah were sympathetic towards the Yishuv and were willing to establish a Jewish state - the problem was that the post-World War I machinations of France and England (e.g. Sykes-Picot) changed the balance of power there and weakened the Hashmites in favor of their buddies the Sauds.
The danger started because of that murderer, Husseini (Y"S), who was the "Palestinian" leader. He was the one who organized all of those massacres in the 20s and 30s, then supported the fascist coup attempt in Iraq, and then ran to Berlin to sit out the war having tea with Hitler (Y"S). The British could've strung him up but they didn't want to "make trouble".....
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Apr 26, 2009 at 10:01 AM IW KJ Says:
Let us all think outside of the box for a brief second. What do we know? We know there was a “bucherim” fight and we know it was “satamar bucherim”. Why is this news worthy? Does any one imply that only satmar bucherim can engage in fights? If you believe that, then you have not been in a Yeshiva, or college. The human fact of life is that teenagers at times engage in fights, no matter the community affiliation. I could be cynical and bring up the story of a “bucher” that was killed in a fight at the “Ponevitch” yeshivah, but I won’t. The question is what the intention behind the news story itself. I think that the author of the story is being smart. He must know that a large segment of his loyal readers are anti Chasidim and especially anti-satmar, and he manages every so often to establish a format so that this group has their chance to vent their hatred. Those of us who are satmar chasidim are being a little naïve trying to explain that we have some good parts to us as well. I wish you would all grow up and stand tall, laugh off stories like this and ignore the immature stupid comments.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 12:26 PM Anonymous Says:
“ anyone who has Eminaas Tzadikim shouldnt be surprisped by this story at all!!!! There's a tape from the holy Klausenberger rebbe Ztz'l Parshaas Kedoishim in the 70"s that he exclaimed Beruach Kudshoi, that DIE RESHUYIM VELEN ZICH NUCH EIN TUG OISHARGENEN EINER DEHM TZVIETEN!!!! ”
was the klozenborger rebbe zt"l talking about his two sons who fight?
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Apr 26, 2009 at 12:37 PM Anonymous Says:
“ When a person makes statements like your's, painting whe groups with one broad stripe, the person making the accusations is no different than any other sonai yisroel ym"s. ”
reb yid , im sorry broad or not, there rings truth in his words, and even though it may not be pleasent, it may very well be true!!!
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Apr 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM Had Enough of this stupidity... Says:
“ Today except of fress code there is really no difference between chasidish and lutvish. A littvish guy is just a Chusid without a sense of humor. So, let just all klal yisroel be loved together and stop the stereotype. ”
That was insulting. There were litvishe yeshivas before there were chassidim or chassidishe yeshivas. The Litvaks were known for lamdus and their haskafa, while eastern europe - poland, hungary, romania etc were losing yidden by the barrelful until the besht came along and told his people ivdu et hashem besimcha.
It can be argued that Litvaks WERE the yiddishkeit of the world while chassidim needed a father figure, like a rebbe or an eigel hazahav to rely on...
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Apr 26, 2009 at 10:38 AM Anonymous Says:
To all of you who know that zionism caused the holocaust -
NEWS FLASH!!
Ne'veius stopped in the Bayis Rishon when most of the yidden lived in Eretz Yisroel. Any living fool who 'knows' what Hashen will do and why Hashem did this and not that, is just a fool. To say that this rebbe had a nevuah or that rav 'knew' why 6 million yidden were killed is to deny hashgacha protei and denies that Hashem calls the shots.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 01:06 PM Anonymous Says:
“ If it happened in Bnei Brak and stabbing was involved I have no doubt that it was a fight between satmar bocherem and some bored shabbabnikim, as bad as the aroni zali fights go, stabbing is not of the things they do, the shababniks have exlucive rights to that. ”
Mr. Gefilte writes, if stabbing was involved "I have no doubt" that it was a fight between satmar & some outside bums, since stabbing is not their custom, well you almost convinced me when you wrote these words "I have no doubt"... but right now I'm a bit confused since it did happen in Satmar as you knew from the very begining as well.. so therefore "I have no doubt" that you're a silly satmar Liar who thinks that denial still works these days, Shame on Satmar for causing such Chilul Hashem all the years.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 10:24 AM Rippin Pinchas Says:
“ All you are showing is hate, hate, hate for your fellow Yid. Moshiach cannot and will not come because you need a whipping boy to blame all of your problems on and the 'zionist jewboy' seems to be your answer for today.
Where is your hakaras hatov for the chayalim that sacrifice their lives so that you can sit in a Yeshiva all day and learn? Is that what they not teach in the yeshivot - to hate and take from your fellow Jew without giving in return? ”
Actually, I am a high level professional. I find it interesting that you are so full of hate, yet you accuse me of being full of hate.
Although I am a professional and am not able to learn in Eretz Yisroel full time, I do enjoy going to Eretz Yisroel every now and then. When I go, I do not hang out with the Chayalim on Ben Yehuda. I try to sit and learn in the Beis Medrash. Had the Zionist machine never created problems, the Chayalim may not be necessary. I did not ask the Zionist regime to defile Eretz Yisroel. They did it on their own accord. To paraphrase Golda Meir (Meyerson), first we deal with the Arab problem and then we deal with the religious problem.
"you need a whipping boy to blame all of your problems on and the 'zionist jewboy' seems to be your answer for today."
Seems that you have a guilty conscience. I am sorry for you.
#49- Your knowledge of Zionist history is severely lacking. There was a very strong connection between the 1929 riots and the Zionists.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 10:13 AM IW KJ Says:
“ Today except of fress code there is really no difference between chasidish and lutvish. A littvish guy is just a Chusid without a sense of humor. So, let just all klal yisroel be loved together and stop the stereotype. ”
“Fress Code”? do you imply that “Lutvish” people also eat “Kishka”?
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Apr 26, 2009 at 01:33 PM Masmid Says:
“ That was insulting. There were litvishe yeshivas before there were chassidim or chassidishe yeshivas. The Litvaks were known for lamdus and their haskafa, while eastern europe - poland, hungary, romania etc were losing yidden by the barrelful until the besht came along and told his people ivdu et hashem besimcha.
It can be argued that Litvaks WERE the yiddishkeit of the world while chassidim needed a father figure, like a rebbe or an eigel hazahav to rely on... ”
But the fact is that 80% of the litvaks today are descendents of chasidim because
most litvaks before WWII became zionists, communists, bundists etc. etc.
Funny the derech Bal Shem rescued the litvishe yeshivos.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 03:42 PM common sense Says:
“ Let us all think outside of the box for a brief second. What do we know? We know there was a “bucherim” fight and we know it was “satamar bucherim”. Why is this news worthy? Does any one imply that only satmar bucherim can engage in fights? If you believe that, then you have not been in a Yeshiva, or college. The human fact of life is that teenagers at times engage in fights, no matter the community affiliation. I could be cynical and bring up the story of a “bucher” that was killed in a fight at the “Ponevitch” yeshivah, but I won’t. The question is what the intention behind the news story itself. I think that the author of the story is being smart. He must know that a large segment of his loyal readers are anti Chasidim and especially anti-satmar, and he manages every so often to establish a format so that this group has their chance to vent their hatred. Those of us who are satmar chasidim are being a little naïve trying to explain that we have some good parts to us as well. I wish you would all grow up and stand tall, laugh off stories like this and ignore the immature stupid comments. ”
Good for you it is amazing how everyone enjoys blaming SATMAR for everything wrong in the yiddisha world. The fact is that Satmar has really great chassidim and great people. When they are such a huge Kehilla there will always be jealousy and fighting going on. Many people have tried to destroy Satmar and couldn't thre for now the Yetzer HOra is smarter he is working from the inside out. By the way he is doing it to all chassidus becasue it is chassidus in this 20th century that has kept yiddishkeit going.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 04:05 PM A former Williamsburger Says:
“ Good for you it is amazing how everyone enjoys blaming SATMAR for everything wrong in the yiddisha world. The fact is that Satmar has really great chassidim and great people. When they are such a huge Kehilla there will always be jealousy and fighting going on. Many people have tried to destroy Satmar and couldn't thre for now the Yetzer HOra is smarter he is working from the inside out. By the way he is doing it to all chassidus becasue it is chassidus in this 20th century that has kept yiddishkeit going. ”
"many people tried to destroy satmar" could you name me one, according to my
memory it's the other way around they tried to destroy Belz,Klausenburg,Lubavitch,
Agudas Yisroel and many more, with all the chilul hashem that went along with their
behavior and now when the shoe is on the other foot they complain that people hate
them for nothing, They hurt thousands of Jews deeply for many many years.
Oisim maaseh zimri umevakshim schar kePincas.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 04:11 PM vechterist Says:
“ i disticntly remember back in the late 70's,when some satmarer hooligans cut of the beard and beat up reb mendel wechter,the lubavitcher rebbe z't'l said at the farbrengen,that he is sure that there will come a time,when these jew haters of satmar will start to devour each other ,and sure enough we have merited to see the rebbes nevueh come true,and by the way i am not a chabadnick,but a former student in satmar ”
A former satmer student aha!!! Aren't you by the way a vechterist ????? The only thing a former satmerer student has to mention about satmer is the story of mendel vechter and concluding with a 'nevuah' of libavicher that came true?????
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Apr 26, 2009 at 04:42 PM yukel Says:
“ Mr. Gefilte writes, if stabbing was involved "I have no doubt" that it was a fight between satmar & some outside bums, since stabbing is not their custom, well you almost convinced me when you wrote these words "I have no doubt"... but right now I'm a bit confused since it did happen in Satmar as you knew from the very begining as well.. so therefore "I have no doubt" that you're a silly satmar Liar who thinks that denial still works these days, Shame on Satmar for causing such Chilul Hashem all the years. ”
"I have no doubt" that you are a self hating satmere. Just come up with even one chasides these things hasn't happend viznitz klosenburg belz with machnivka and ger what a pogram was going on when some kanuim wrote something against thair rebbe and bobov and the list goes on in on. I still remember when they used to say that only two chasides don't fight these are bobov and skver of course not they didn't have anyone in their ways look at bobov today how they are fighting around and the will happen in skver by the time the curent rebbe will go. Bottem line they all have a courupt system
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Apr 26, 2009 at 05:21 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Actually, I am a high level professional. I find it interesting that you are so full of hate, yet you accuse me of being full of hate.
Although I am a professional and am not able to learn in Eretz Yisroel full time, I do enjoy going to Eretz Yisroel every now and then. When I go, I do not hang out with the Chayalim on Ben Yehuda. I try to sit and learn in the Beis Medrash. Had the Zionist machine never created problems, the Chayalim may not be necessary. I did not ask the Zionist regime to defile Eretz Yisroel. They did it on their own accord. To paraphrase Golda Meir (Meyerson), first we deal with the Arab problem and then we deal with the religious problem.
"you need a whipping boy to blame all of your problems on and the 'zionist jewboy' seems to be your answer for today."
Seems that you have a guilty conscience. I am sorry for you.
#49- Your knowledge of Zionist history is severely lacking. There was a very strong connection between the 1929 riots and the Zionists. ”
You go to Eretz Yisroel because you feel that it is safe to go there. No one asks that you hang out with the chayalim. All you have to do is have a mi-she-berach in your shul every shabbat for chayalei tzahal. Not the government - but for the chayalim. Is that so hard?
If you still persist and say that the chayalim (including those that lost their lives so that you can to there in peace) do not deserve any brocha, then you, my friend, are the hater.
"I did not ask the Zionist regime to defile Eretz Yisroel. They did it on their own accord."
You find no hate in that statement? All the zionists defiled Eretz Yisroel? Rav Kook, Reb Moshe, Chazon Ish, the Chofetz Chayim - all defiles the land? Who is full of hate?
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Apr 26, 2009 at 08:35 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Really? who paved the streets that they walk on? Who pays the policeman that protects them from theives? Who pays for the street lights that lighp up their way when they go home at night? Who pays the army who protects their lives?
If they do noy pay taxes, then everyone else has to suffer and pay more. THis is not a 'zionist' fact, this is a fact of life.They are taking these services from the government, as well as the 'free' medical care, free social services care and everything else that they do not pay for.
As far as your 'facts' on zionism - Jews were persucuted in EVERY arab country in the world. You probably find that acceptable, as long as they count their dead every week and do not complain. You do not want the jews to defend themselves, you can not bear to say a tfilla to those who actually defend themselves AND defend you and you say that everyone else is stopping Moshiach from coming..
Maybe #8 is correct. They can go to Iran where they will really be appreciated and members of society. They do NOT have a right to live anywhere as long as they have no responsibillity, be it in Bnei Brak, Iran or Kiryas Yoel. ”
Persecution and discrimination is a normal condition of golus. But until the Zionists antagonised the Arabs EY was no less safe for Jews than any other country. There was no need for a Jewish army or defense force to protect the Jews from Arab murderers; the Ottoman police did a good enough job.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 08:28 PM Milhouse Says:
“ ".... As far as they're concerned, if the Zionists hadn't started up with the Arabs in the early 20th century there would be no danger in the first place. ...."
Now that you've presented "their" point of view (maybe your point of view too?), you may want to point out to them that were massacres (e.g. 1929 in Chevron) that were not directly related to Zionism.
”
Sorry, you are wrong. The 1929 riots were directly related to Zionism. Why do you think the Arabs rioted then? Because suddenly they felt like it? It was because they were upset at Zionist attempts to take over the country; suddenly they saw the Jews as a threat.
That's why the Jews in Chevron, knowing that the riots were coming, refused the Zionists' offer to defend them. They naively thought the Arabs would distinguish between the Zionists who were challenging them and the "good" Jews who were not; they learned the hard way that to the Arabs all Jews are the same, and when one set of Jews started making trouble they lashed out at *all* the Jews. In other words, the Zionists made EY unsafe for all Jews.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 07:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ You go to Eretz Yisroel because you feel that it is safe to go there. No one asks that you hang out with the chayalim. All you have to do is have a mi-she-berach in your shul every shabbat for chayalei tzahal. Not the government - but for the chayalim. Is that so hard?
If you still persist and say that the chayalim (including those that lost their lives so that you can to there in peace) do not deserve any brocha, then you, my friend, are the hater.
"I did not ask the Zionist regime to defile Eretz Yisroel. They did it on their own accord."
You find no hate in that statement? All the zionists defiled Eretz Yisroel? Rav Kook, Reb Moshe, Chazon Ish, the Chofetz Chayim - all defiles the land? Who is full of hate? ”
Who exactly are you calling zionists? The chofetz chaim said zionists are "mizera amalek"
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Apr 26, 2009 at 07:39 PM Anonymous Says:
I'm not Satmar and not even chassidish but I owe Satmar a huge debt for the chesed they did with me day after day while I was in a hospital for a very major operation.
Not litvish, not yekkish, not lubavitch (I already own a pair of teffilin, my wife already lights shabbos licht and my daughters won't until they are married), not tzionim, not agudistin (they were busy keeping children from sueing their molsetors that week and their schedule was full with meetings getting ready to ban Lipa the next week and writing stupid articles to defend Bernie madoff and insult a real hero the week after that), not Young isreal, not any of you bigshots sitting on your overstuffed seats (tarti mashmah) knocking Satmar while your wives are out at the shaitel macher slurping up all the latest lashon harah about who made a shidduch and didn't follow the exact protocol in the Shidduchim for Dummies guide.
So please shut the hell up about Satmar until you and the rest of you shainer chashuver mentchen in Fatbush and Buda Park figure out how to do chesed without taking lessons from Satmar.
So leave my satmar angels alone.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 08:42 PM Milhouse Says:
“ That was insulting. There were litvishe yeshivas before there were chassidim or chassidishe yeshivas. The Litvaks were known for lamdus and their haskafa, while eastern europe - poland, hungary, romania etc were losing yidden by the barrelful until the besht came along and told his people ivdu et hashem besimcha.
It can be argued that Litvaks WERE the yiddishkeit of the world while chassidim needed a father figure, like a rebbe or an eigel hazahav to rely on... ”
Name a Litvishe yeshivah from before the Baal Shem Tov.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 08:40 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Read the history books. The Hashmite rulers Faisal and Abdullah were sympathetic towards the Yishuv and were willing to establish a Jewish state - the problem was that the post-World War I machinations of France and England (e.g. Sykes-Picot) changed the balance of power there and weakened the Hashmites in favor of their buddies the Sauds.
The danger started because of that murderer, Husseini (Y"S), who was the "Palestinian" leader. He was the one who organized all of those massacres in the 20s and 30s, then supported the fascist coup attempt in Iraq, and then ran to Berlin to sit out the war having tea with Hitler (Y"S). The British could've strung him up but they didn't want to "make trouble"..... ”
This makes no sense; the Hashemites were not even in the area in the first place until the British installed them after WW1. Before WW1 their sympathy or otherwise to the yishuv was irrelevant, because they were still in Arabia.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 07:28 PM Rippin Pinchas Says:
“ You go to Eretz Yisroel because you feel that it is safe to go there. No one asks that you hang out with the chayalim. All you have to do is have a mi-she-berach in your shul every shabbat for chayalei tzahal. Not the government - but for the chayalim. Is that so hard?
If you still persist and say that the chayalim (including those that lost their lives so that you can to there in peace) do not deserve any brocha, then you, my friend, are the hater.
"I did not ask the Zionist regime to defile Eretz Yisroel. They did it on their own accord."
You find no hate in that statement? All the zionists defiled Eretz Yisroel? Rav Kook, Reb Moshe, Chazon Ish, the Chofetz Chayim - all defiles the land? Who is full of hate? ”
I wrote the Zionist regime, not every Zionist. Please read my post before spewing forth your hatred.
"Rav Kook, Reb Moshe, Chazon Ish, the Chofetz Chayim - all defiles the land? Who is full of hate?”
You wrote 4 names and only one of them was a Zionist. Interesting.
According to you that I am so full of hate, why would you want me to a mesheberach for the Chayalim?
Please be factual. When people write uneducated and uninformed blogs they only look pathetic.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 07:18 PM Anonymous Says:
“ But the fact is that 80% of the litvaks today are descendents of chasidim because
most litvaks before WWII became zionists, communists, bundists etc. etc.
Funny the derech Bal Shem rescued the litvishe yeshivos. ”
80% of the Litvaks today are descendents of chasidim?
Boy, do you know how to invent your own history!! What did the Vilna Gaon say about Chassidus again?
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Apr 26, 2009 at 07:14 PM Anonymous Says:
“ A former satmer student aha!!! Aren't you by the way a vechterist ????? The only thing a former satmerer student has to mention about satmer is the story of mendel vechter and concluding with a 'nevuah' of libavicher that came true????? ”
As #62 said, "Neveius stopped in the Bayis Rishon."
Anyone that says otherwise, denies the Torah and all of Nach.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 09:15 PM Anonymous Says:
BottomLine...... Eretz Yisroel was given back to us by Hashem. Anybody who disagrees is stepping very close to the meraglim's shitah. Had the chareidim grabbed the signal from Shomayim 110 years ago , the secular would not be in control. So stop whining , you anti-Zionists and just suck it up. That's right..!!! Eretz Yisroel was a gift bestowed by Hashem Yisborach... Any other Toras Lukshen that you so-called" talmidei chachamim" are spewing here will avail you nothing..
Amcha has spoken. Amcha is delighted with this wonderful gift. Leadership MUST , and WILL change...Moshiach is on the way..
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Apr 26, 2009 at 08:56 PM Milhouse Says:
“ As #62 said, "Neveius stopped in the Bayis Rishon."
Anyone that says otherwise, denies the Torah and all of Nach. ”
Really? When were Chagai, Zechariah, and Malachi? And how do the Tosfos quote a navi of their own times?
In any case, one doesn't need to be a navi to read an open gemara about what will happen if we break the three shevuos.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 08:55 PM Milhouse Says:
“ 80% of the Litvaks today are descendents of chasidim?
Boy, do you know how to invent your own history!! What did the Vilna Gaon say about Chassidus again? ”
Who cares what he said about it? He made a terrible mistake, and now he's in the Olam Ha'emes and regrets it, so why bring it up?
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Apr 26, 2009 at 08:51 PM Milhouse Says:
“ You go to Eretz Yisroel because you feel that it is safe to go there. No one asks that you hang out with the chayalim. All you have to do is have a mi-she-berach in your shul every shabbat for chayalei tzahal. Not the government - but for the chayalim. Is that so hard?
If you still persist and say that the chayalim (including those that lost their lives so that you can to there in peace) do not deserve any brocha, then you, my friend, are the hater.
"I did not ask the Zionist regime to defile Eretz Yisroel. They did it on their own accord."
You find no hate in that statement? All the zionists defiled Eretz Yisroel? Rav Kook, Reb Moshe, Chazon Ish, the Chofetz Chayim - all defiles the land? Who is full of hate? ”
What on earth are you talking about? Now you are pretending that R Moshe, the Chazon Ish, and the Chofetz Chayim were Zionists? All three were committed anti-Zionists.
R Kook was indeed a Zionist, and that is why despite his tzidkus and learning almost *all* other Torah leaders respectfully disagreed with him; his great ahavas yisroel led him to ignore the faults of the Zionists and support them for the good he thought they were doing, but the consensus of the Torah world was and is that he was wrong.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 10:48 PM Anonymous Says:
“ anyone who has Eminaas Tzadikim shouldnt be surprisped by this story at all!!!! There's a tape from the holy Klausenberger rebbe Ztz'l Parshaas Kedoishim in the 70"s that he exclaimed Beruach Kudshoi, that DIE RESHUYIM VELEN ZICH NUCH EIN TUG OISHARGENEN EINER DEHM TZVIETEN!!!! ”
these curses are shameful at least be embarresed with such a statement full of hate that your "heilige" rebbe expressed his 'kaas' against satmer
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Apr 26, 2009 at 10:58 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Who cares what he said about it? He made a terrible mistake, and now he's in the Olam Ha'emes and regrets it, so why bring it up? ”
You think you can decide what the vilnma gaon regrets or doesn't? Whether he made a mistake fighting chassidus or not???
I see the oilem is right about you.
You really have lost all contact with reality.
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Apr 26, 2009 at 11:15 PM Anonymous Says:
“ You think you can decide what the vilnma gaon regrets or doesn't? Whether he made a mistake fighting chassidus or not???
I see the oilem is right about you.
You really have lost all contact with reality. ”
The chofetz chaim who was the biggest follower of the vilna goen understood that there is no need to oppose chasidus obviously because by his opinion the whole opposition was a mistake because he thought its similar to cat shatz and therefore is it invalid. So its very likely that regrets it up in heaven. So please don't put people off their minds so fast
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Apr 26, 2009 at 11:32 PM Milhouse Says:
“ You think you can decide what the vilnma gaon regrets or doesn't? Whether he made a mistake fighting chassidus or not???
I see the oilem is right about you.
You really have lost all contact with reality. ”
Yes, I can see it, as can any honest person. The last honest opposition to chassidus died 150 years ago, when it was clear to all that chassidim remained observant; all those who had been misnagdim leshem shomayim admitted their error and stopped being misnagdim. The only ones left were those who were in it for the fight, the resho'im and troublemakers, Korach's people. There is no such thing as a misnaged leshem shomayim any more. That's what R Chaim Brisker said over 100 years ago, kol shekein now!
The Vilner Gaon believed false witnesses and behaved very unjustly, and deserved to be put in cherem for it, as is the din when someone unjustly puts another in cherem (see Rambam hil' Talmud Torah ch 6, at the very end). And the great tzadikim the talmidim of the Maggid wanted to declare such a strong cherem against him that he would have been cut off from the source of his neshomo, and he would have been driven inevitably to shmad himself ch"v. The Baal Hatanya was the only one to object, saying that this would be a big chilul Hashem, and that opposition was the only thing that saved him.
So don't come and try to pretend that he was right to do as he did! Only a dishonest rasha would make such a claim. Just accept that he was a great talmid chochom who made a terrible mistake, completely leshem shomayim, which he surely regrets and he has surely been forgiven.
As for the oilem, you won't find too many people to agree with you. Everyone knows that the Go'on was wrong about the chassidim.
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Apr 27, 2009 at 01:09 AM Ahem Says:
“ Why is there a Satmar Yeshiva there?
They do not believe in the government, yet they take money from the government. They do not believe in Hakaras Hatov, yet they walk in the streets paved by people who pay taxes, they live in a town with police who they do not pay. They live in a land that thousands of soldiers have died for, yet they can not say a misheberach in their yeshiva for their well being.
They are more appreciated in Iran. Just ask 'Rabbi' Moshe Weiss ”
I couldn't even get through some of your obviously prejudiced comments. It is vile to read such comments, especially by some of you who have NO clue what you are talking about. I am not Satmar, but I am appalled by the hatred shown to a group as a whole when you have no clue as to what actually took place.
They do not take any money from the government.
Last I checked, there was a story in Boro Park that had similar characteristics, and that was over a few 'maybe' treif hot dogs. Knife weilded, hands raised etc...
Funny, I know your attitude changes according to whom you like/hate.
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Apr 27, 2009 at 05:23 AM . Says:
“ What on earth are you talking about? Now you are pretending that R Moshe, the Chazon Ish, and the Chofetz Chayim were Zionists? All three were committed anti-Zionists.
R Kook was indeed a Zionist, and that is why despite his tzidkus and learning almost *all* other Torah leaders respectfully disagreed with him; his great ahavas yisroel led him to ignore the faults of the Zionists and support them for the good he thought they were doing, but the consensus of the Torah world was and is that he was wrong. ”
I grew up on the lower east side and learned in Chofetz Chaim under R Lebowitz, the Chofetz Chaim's great nephew.
Boy are you wrong, wrong, wrong. Why noy call up Reb Dovid Feinstein NOW and see what his father said???
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Apr 27, 2009 at 05:20 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Who cares what he said about it? He made a terrible mistake, and now he's in the Olam Ha'emes and regrets it, so why bring it up? ”
looks like you have your rollerdex Torah again. You quote what pleases you and not what is true.
Hashem gave us back Eretz Yisroel and that's that. Your lying and slandering will prevent Moshiach from coming and you know it.
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Apr 27, 2009 at 05:14 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Name a Litvishe yeshivah from before the Baal Shem Tov. ”
name any yeshiva before the besht. I vote for Sura and Pumpedesia as litvishe yeshivot. The Baalei Tosfot were litvishe, so were their yeshivot.
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Apr 27, 2009 at 10:17 AM Milhouse Says:
“ I grew up on the lower east side and learned in Chofetz Chaim under R Lebowitz, the Chofetz Chaim's great nephew.
Boy are you wrong, wrong, wrong. Why noy call up Reb Dovid Feinstein NOW and see what his father said??? ”
The facts are a matter of public record. I don't need to ask any nephews or sons, when the people in question made their views public themselves. Both the Chofetz Chaim and R Moshe were explicitly and publicly anti-Zionist, and anyone who would deny it is simply a brazen-faced liar.
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Apr 27, 2009 at 10:19 AM Milhouse Says:
“ name any yeshiva before the besht. I vote for Sura and Pumpedesia as litvishe yeshivot. The Baalei Tosfot were litvishe, so were their yeshivot. ”
Very funny. Har de har har. In other words, you cannot name a litvishe yeshiva before the holy Baal Shem Tov. Because there weren't any.
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Apr 27, 2009 at 01:14 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Very funny. Har de har har. In other words, you cannot name a litvishe yeshiva before the holy Baal Shem Tov. Because there weren't any. ”
And there were no Chassidishe yeshivas before the besht. So what is your point? Every Yeshiva before the besht was a litvishe philosophy
First define the differences between chasidishe and the rest of the world.
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Apr 27, 2009 at 04:28 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The facts are a matter of public record. I don't need to ask any nephews or sons, when the people in question made their views public themselves. Both the Chofetz Chaim and R Moshe were explicitly and publicly anti-Zionist, and anyone who would deny it is simply a brazen-faced liar. ”
Public record? What public record?
You just called R' Reuvain Feinstein and R' Dovid Feinstein and R' Moshe Tendler and half of the lower East side as brazen liars. In addition, you just called the Chofetz Chaim Yeshiva brazen liars.
We just read parshas Metzora. Too bad you did not learn that you get Metzora from being Motze Shem Rah. Especially on the Gedolei Hador
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Apr 28, 2009 at 01:58 AM Milhouse Says:
“ And there were no Chassidishe yeshivas before the besht. So what is your point? Every Yeshiva before the besht was a litvishe philosophy
First define the differences between chasidishe and the rest of the world.
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My point is to counter the idiotic falsehood that "There were litvishe yeshivas before there were chassidim or chassidishe yeshivas." There were not. On the contrary, litvishe yeshivos are a very recent phenomenon. There was no such thing 250 years ago. Your claim that "Every Yeshiva before the besht was a litvishe philosophy" just exposes you as an idiot or a liar.
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Apr 28, 2009 at 02:01 AM Milhouse Says:
“ Public record? What public record?
You just called R' Reuvain Feinstein and R' Dovid Feinstein and R' Moshe Tendler and half of the lower East side as brazen liars. In addition, you just called the Chofetz Chaim Yeshiva brazen liars.
We just read parshas Metzora. Too bad you did not learn that you get Metzora from being Motze Shem Rah. Especially on the Gedolei Hador
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No, I'm just calling you a brazen liar. The record is open. The Chofetz Chaim, the Chazon Ish, R Moshe, none of them were private people. Their views are very much a matter of public record. Lying about them isn't just wrong, it's stupid, because everyone can look at the record and know the truth. All three were very public about their staunch anti-Zionism. Everybody knows this, including you. You just choose to lie about it, for some strange reason that only your shrink knows.