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Tokyo Japan - Youngest of 3 Yeshiva Bochurim Sentenced to Prison for Smuggling Drugs

Published on: April 30, 2009 11:39 PM
Last updated on: May 1, 2009 08:45 AM
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Tokyo Japan - The youngest of three Israeli Yeshiva students accused of smuggling drugs from Israel into Japan, has been sentenced today.

According to preliminary reports, the judge gave his verdict, sentencing Yosef Bandau from five to eight years in prison, from which 266 days he already served, and a third off for good behavior. The judge also order to pay a fine of 4 million yen roughly about 40,000 $USD. Their attorneys claimed the arrests were the product of a sting operation that took advantage of the youths’ innocence and that they had been enticed with money. The sentence provides that after he has completed five years of his prison term he will be brought before a committee that will discuss his case and determine whether or not he can be released on good behavior. Lawyers in the case have proposed that Bandau should to be extradited to Israel and serve the rest of his sentence in the State.

According to the Geneva Convention extradition treaty, a formal request for extradition from the state of Israel has to be submitted to the Justice minister of Japan, according to VIN News sources who confirmed that this will likely happen within the next few days, and Japan is willing to accept such a proposal as it was put forward to them last year and had no rejection.

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No date has been set yet for a hearing of the two other yeshiva students, but according to attorney Mordechai Tzivin who is representing them, a date should be set within the next 3 months.

 



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1

 Apr 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM Anonymous Says:

I feel bad for the family but they are always very harsh on drugs in Japan so under their laws, the sentence was not unusual. Yiddeshe bochurim have to know that drugs are still considered as a major crime in most countries of the world, even if the laws are not rigorously enforced in EY or the U.S.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 10:51 PM yidel Says:

R"L

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM Anonymous Says:

rachmuna litzlon

4

 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:10 PM PMO Says:

R"L
We should be thankful that such a fair sentence was handed down. Clearly the circumstances were taken into account here. This was a VERY good outcome.

5

 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Judge Ruled there is Also a FINE of "$40,000" Dollars, Yossi Bondo has to Pay, Besides the 5 Years Prison

6

 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:09 PM Anonymous Says:

2 yrs 7months too long but at least B"H this Bochur will have a future.

7

 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:08 PM Anonymous Says:

: The judge has reportedly agreed for the extradition to Israel, but the law needs to be changed. This will take some time.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:08 PM Anonymous Says:

kol hakavod for the chbad ruv over there who gave $40000

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:07 PM Lebediger Says:

Please REMEMBER don't take any packages for anyone, you never know when it will hit you

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:07 PM Cranberry stuffer Says:

I am really crying here, those poor boys, poor parents. We need Moshiach already!

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:07 PM moshe Says:

we have to thank hshem, it could have bin much worst. and we have to be thankful for all the askonim, a tremendous amount of work went in to this case. he will have a zchus that now people will be more careful not to take packages from strangers and it will prevent problem in the future. may hshem help the parents should carry it easy.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:14 PM yidel Says:

Reply to #4  
PMO Says:

R"L
We should be thankful that such a fair sentence was handed down. Clearly the circumstances were taken into account here. This was a VERY good outcome.

GOOD???
ARE U NUTS?
I understand it could have been worse, but I don't consider this good!!!

13

 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:14 PM Hashem Yerachem Says:

This is R"L a "death" sentence for this bochur, and the same for their parents, nebech.
Worse than that, it gives an idea of how harshly the other two will be sentenced, as this one was a minor then.
U'teshuva, Tefila, U'Tzedaka mavirin es roah hagezeira.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:13 PM Herelle Says:

My understanding is they where arrested before pesach last year, this means they are jailed for a year and a Month or so, how is it possible they only served 266 Days?

16

 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:06 PM Anonymous Says:

He's is going to sit in e"y but its going to take a few monts

17

 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:05 PM Ahem Says:

Although this is unconfirmed, I heard from a family source that they are trying to get him to sit out his sentence in Israel. On the one hand, ti's a relief that ti's not a much longer sentence, as was expected. On the other hand, this boy, innocently sitting there for four years. It's just horrifying.

Also, why is it only 266 days? He was imprisoned last year before Pesach some time.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:04 PM yoeli Says:

wow i cant beleve it

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:04 PM Hashem please help Says:

There aren't any words to express this pain. Lets continue to daven for miracles. Lets watch our language and in that zechus Mossiach will come and he will be released earlier. Hashem is capable of all miracles. Poor boy poor families. Hashem please help

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:03 PM Obamination Says:

he can get off a third for good behaiviur. and askunim are trying now to cunvince the judge to let let him serve the sentens in an israeli prison. hashem yirochem

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:03 PM smart boy Says:

oy vey nebech hashem yrachem moshiach should come now i think its time for the tzoras to stop because i cant take it any more

22

 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:03 PM Anonymous Says:

And this goy who sent them is out for bail

23

 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:02 PM Think Positive Says:

The judge agreed to have him serve in Israel, and part of the time can be taken off for good behavior.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:01 PM Anonymous Says:

nebbach-We must do our parts to contribute to Pidyon Shvuyim. Every single woman out there should take upon herself an extra obligation in tzniyus. The mother of one of these unfortunate bochurim has written a heartfelt plea requesting that we try to upgrade our tzniyus level in whatever way we can. If we each do our little part, surely HKB"H will have rachmanus, not only in this tragic area, but surely we will reap the rewards for our efforts by enjoying more bracha and hatzlacha in our lives!

25

 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:00 PM Charles Hall Says:

Hopefully the governments of Japan and Israel will arrange for him to serve his sentence in Israel.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

I feel bad for the family but they are always very harsh on drugs in Japan so under their laws, the sentence was not unusual. Yiddeshe bochurim have to know that drugs are still considered as a major crime in most countries of the world, even if the laws are not rigorously enforced in EY or the U.S.

This is not the time or the place for this comment

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

I feel bad for the family but they are always very harsh on drugs in Japan so under their laws, the sentence was not unusual. Yiddeshe bochurim have to know that drugs are still considered as a major crime in most countries of the world, even if the laws are not rigorously enforced in EY or the U.S.

So are you trying to say that they knew what they were doing?

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 10:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Rachmona yatsiline

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 10:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Oh Gavald!! Hasham yaricheim!!

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 10:53 PM Anonymous Says:

we should all boycott Japaneeses made cars and their items to show our protest!!!!

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:18 PM jim Says:

Reply to #4  
PMO Says:

R"L
We should be thankful that such a fair sentence was handed down. Clearly the circumstances were taken into account here. This was a VERY good outcome.

Sounds like you know th facts. What's so good about it?

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:20 PM Ahem Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

kol hakavod for the chbad ruv over there who gave $40000

The Chabad Rabbi paid the fine?

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:21 PM Ahem Says:

Reply to #12  
yidel Says:

GOOD???
ARE U NUTS?
I understand it could have been worse, but I don't consider this good!!!

It's not good in the larger scheme of things, but given what was expected, it's good B"H.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:14 PM anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

I feel bad for the family but they are always very harsh on drugs in Japan so under their laws, the sentence was not unusual. Yiddeshe bochurim have to know that drugs are still considered as a major crime in most countries of the world, even if the laws are not rigorously enforced in EY or the U.S.

Please don't write this. It's enough heartbreaking to here such terrible news. And by the way these bochurim are truly innocent and they are suffering for our sins.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Do they have time off for good behavior in Japan? Do they have Parole in Japan, and can this be appealed?
One day in prison is like five years!
Hashem give strength to the bocherim and their families.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM Anonymous Says:

ya you know these people offfer you to take some vitamins to ey

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:26 PM Oy a Pachad!! Says:

דער אומשולדיג בחורל וועט נעבעך מוזען שמאכטען אין א יאפענער טורמע - השם ירחם!!!

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:30 PM goilem Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

we should all boycott Japaneeses made cars and their items to show our protest!!!!

no, we should not do this. every person has a right to decide for himself what to buy. but to come out and say we should boycott Japanese cars and goods is absolutely not in accordance with the Torah.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

So are you trying to say that they knew what they were doing?

Yes, they new they were doing something wrong but not so wrong.Dont take anyhing for nobody and dont trust anyone even your best friend. Find out whats the punishment for carrying smuggling in antiqius into japan.You might be surprised.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:28 PM GO OUT AND PROTEST Says:

I think we should make a big protest outside the Japanese embassy!!!!!!!!!!!!



It would help!!

41

 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Is there not any slight possibility that they had an inkling as to what they were doing? I mean obviously we have to be Dan L'Kaf Zchus, but I'm not sure the Japanese police are simply foolish anti-semites...Of course I feel for the boys & daven for them just the same, but there seems to possibly be more to the story........maybe I'm wrong....

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 May 01, 2009 at 04:31 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

nebbach-We must do our parts to contribute to Pidyon Shvuyim. Every single woman out there should take upon herself an extra obligation in tzniyus. The mother of one of these unfortunate bochurim has written a heartfelt plea requesting that we try to upgrade our tzniyus level in whatever way we can. If we each do our little part, surely HKB"H will have rachmanus, not only in this tragic area, but surely we will reap the rewards for our efforts by enjoying more bracha and hatzlacha in our lives!

How about just you , me and the rest of us just take it upon ourselves to daven with more kavanah. Just a little davening with some kavanah...Where soes tznius come into the picture ?

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 May 01, 2009 at 03:38 AM Y B U K Says:

this is a light sentence according to japan not anti semitic,, nebech a harsh one for the innocent bochurim,, everyone should take upon themself to better themself in the way they know what is lacking,, kol hakovod to rabbi sudakevitch and his rebbitzin (chabad tokyo),, dont be fooled and dont take packages for anyone without checking "all" its contents,, last but not least hang the perpetrators,, hand them in,, stop them using and abusing for drug smuggling or anything.. let us all daven for a yeshua and the geula YB

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 May 01, 2009 at 03:18 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
anonymous Says:

Please don't write this. It's enough heartbreaking to here such terrible news. And by the way these bochurim are truly innocent and they are suffering for our sins.

hmmm... suffering for our sins- now where have I heard that one before? Please do not turn every yid in prison into a new religion.

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 May 01, 2009 at 03:16 AM Harry Carey Says:

Reply to #41  
Anonymous Says:

Is there not any slight possibility that they had an inkling as to what they were doing? I mean obviously we have to be Dan L'Kaf Zchus, but I'm not sure the Japanese police are simply foolish anti-semites...Of course I feel for the boys & daven for them just the same, but there seems to possibly be more to the story........maybe I'm wrong....

Enough crocodile tears for the Tokyo Three already. They were either incredibly stupid or they knowingly broke the law. This naive, innocent heimishe yeshiva bochur boba meiseh is just that. No normal person could believe that they were getting a free trip to eastern Europe via Japan - stam. When they get back to Israel finally they will get very good shiduchim because no kaleh's parents will believe the stupid option. They will believe they got caught while trying to outsmart the goyim - Japs at that. So they got caught, too bad, but they gave it a good try. What's wrong with fiddling with the goyim? And the choir sings: Dan L'kav Zchus.

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 May 01, 2009 at 02:31 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

And this goy who sent them is out for bail

It's Not A goy , It's Chassidisha young man .

47

 May 01, 2009 at 01:09 AM hopefull Says:

Is it possible that after extradition to isreal to have the japanese verdict appealed? So he will have a lighter sentence, or even an aqcuitall?????

48

 May 01, 2009 at 01:23 AM shlomo zalman Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

nebbach-We must do our parts to contribute to Pidyon Shvuyim. Every single woman out there should take upon herself an extra obligation in tzniyus. The mother of one of these unfortunate bochurim has written a heartfelt plea requesting that we try to upgrade our tzniyus level in whatever way we can. If we each do our little part, surely HKB"H will have rachmanus, not only in this tragic area, but surely we will reap the rewards for our efforts by enjoying more bracha and hatzlacha in our lives!

We all pray for these young boys, but the tznius bit is nonsense. Leave the women alone, this did not happen because women don't have enough tznius.

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 May 01, 2009 at 02:06 AM Non-delusional Says:

Reply to #11  
moshe Says:

we have to thank hshem, it could have bin much worst. and we have to be thankful for all the askonim, a tremendous amount of work went in to this case. he will have a zchus that now people will be more careful not to take packages from strangers and it will prevent problem in the future. may hshem help the parents should carry it easy.

Gimme a break! This is not a case of "not taking packages from strangers". The purpose of the trip (on the way from E"Y to Europe!) was specifically to carry something. They got paid for carrying the package - at least free plane tickets. So stop the "packages from strangers" drivel.

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 May 01, 2009 at 02:13 AM anon Says:

these posts are sickening. they knew what they were doing and took the money they received very happily. there is no rachmana l'tztlan here. drugs kill people. drugs are illegal for a reason. how many lives could they have helped destroy by transporting these drugs? that ever occurred to them? THAT is the rachman l'tzltan here.

let 'em rot.

you people are so brainwashed.

51

 May 01, 2009 at 06:17 AM duvi Says:

Reply to #45  
Harry Carey Says:

Enough crocodile tears for the Tokyo Three already. They were either incredibly stupid or they knowingly broke the law. This naive, innocent heimishe yeshiva bochur boba meiseh is just that. No normal person could believe that they were getting a free trip to eastern Europe via Japan - stam. When they get back to Israel finally they will get very good shiduchim because no kaleh's parents will believe the stupid option. They will believe they got caught while trying to outsmart the goyim - Japs at that. So they got caught, too bad, but they gave it a good try. What's wrong with fiddling with the goyim? And the choir sings: Dan L'kav Zchus.

we sing dan l'kav zchus because we follow halacha., you clearly are not frum, you are a cruel person and dont show any concern about your fellow jew in suffering, and cynically mock the situation. I would not be suprised if your grandfather/father was a kapo because that would show why you have such a cruel attitude.

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 May 01, 2009 at 06:08 AM Soroh Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

we should all boycott Japaneeses made cars and their items to show our protest!!!!

Why? I cannot belive this comment what have they done wrong? These Bochurim were found with drugs in their luggage it's against their law and every other countries law, as someone else pointed out he could have got 10 to 25 years in prison or worse. It seems that this Judge is being very lenient and he is also it seems going to agree to send him back to Isreal B"H. He could have not, instead of saying it is terrible etc... we should be saying B"H it was not a lot worse. I feel terrible for him of course it is no place for a Bochur but if it was a secular Jew would you be so horrifid. I just hope that in the Yeshiva's around the world Bochurim are being warned strongly against taking packages for other people.

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 May 01, 2009 at 06:01 AM Anonymous Says:

To #46-
He is a "Rishusdik" Young Man. Chassidish by true definition means going above and beyond what's required of you. Being Machmir when others may be more maikel. How exactly is the rasha who set these kids up, "Chassidish"? Levush does not make a man Chassidish. One's actions and way of life, do. There are far too many "Chassidim" whose connection begins and ends with how they dress, V'ze Hu! Everything else about them is krum. I am not saying all, just many. In case some of you missed it, I'm referring to the guy who gave the kids the drugs (and other "Chassidim" like him). Not, the kids themselves.

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 May 01, 2009 at 05:58 AM Dr. E Says:

I agree with #48. Why is #24 so fixated on Tzniyus? Whenever something bad happens, all of the neviim out there become experts on why it happened. Leave tzniyus out of it. It's way too overrated anyway. Just let people be normal and follow normative Halacha....and be advised to never take packages from strangers.

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 May 01, 2009 at 01:16 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
GO OUT AND PROTEST Says:

I think we should make a big protest outside the Japanese embassy!!!!!!!!!!!!



It would help!!

Yes, all of us have to go there and let the Japanese understand that if a frum yid is smuggeling drugs, they have to let him go and even pay him!

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 May 01, 2009 at 06:31 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
anon Says:

these posts are sickening. they knew what they were doing and took the money they received very happily. there is no rachmana l'tztlan here. drugs kill people. drugs are illegal for a reason. how many lives could they have helped destroy by transporting these drugs? that ever occurred to them? THAT is the rachman l'tzltan here.

let 'em rot.

you people are so brainwashed.

I am so disgusted by you and the rest of these posters. STOP ANALYZING!!! Does it matter if they knew it was drugs or not right now?! Does it matter how naive they were now?! It matters that they realize they should never have done it, and we as Yidden need to do whatever it takes to free them!! And yes- no matter the circumstances we must always, with out a doubt be dan l'chaf zechus! And you wonder why Moshiach isn't here yet. Stop beating each other up on the comment forms! I'm sure you have better things to do with your time! Now I understand why the Rabbanim banned texting if this is how vile, rude, and cruel, and mean frum yidden are behind screens. Hashem Y'rachem!

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 May 01, 2009 at 06:29 AM duvi Says:

Reply to #50  
anon Says:

these posts are sickening. they knew what they were doing and took the money they received very happily. there is no rachmana l'tztlan here. drugs kill people. drugs are illegal for a reason. how many lives could they have helped destroy by transporting these drugs? that ever occurred to them? THAT is the rachman l'tzltan here.

let 'em rot.

you people are so brainwashed.

they knew what they were doing? who told you that? you are probably the same liberal idiot who would defend a murderer who is guilty beyond reasonable doubt, but your fellow jew who you have no idea if he had intent to commit a crime and halacha REQUIRES you to be dan lkaf zechus you assume is guilty and seem happy they are going to prision.

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 May 01, 2009 at 01:06 AM Dave Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

nebbach-We must do our parts to contribute to Pidyon Shvuyim. Every single woman out there should take upon herself an extra obligation in tzniyus. The mother of one of these unfortunate bochurim has written a heartfelt plea requesting that we try to upgrade our tzniyus level in whatever way we can. If we each do our little part, surely HKB"H will have rachmanus, not only in this tragic area, but surely we will reap the rewards for our efforts by enjoying more bracha and hatzlacha in our lives!

Might I recommend instead teaching children a bit more about the world, so that "here, I'll give you airfare and $1,500 for taking this package into another country" sets off the appropriate alarms.

And if there were no alarms because they thought that all they were doing was an end run around customs charges, perhaps teaching children that that sort of action is also wrong might help.

This is a very mild sentence under Japanese law, especially as it is likely that he will be allowed to serve the sentence in Israel. Demonstrations and other admonishments of Japan are neither called for, nor likely to be beneficial. Among other things, Japan has no obligation to release him to Israeli custody, they are apparently willing to do so.

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 May 01, 2009 at 01:06 AM Anonymous Says:

It says in the article...According to preliminary reports, the judge gave his verdict, sentencing Yosef Bandau to five years in prison, from which 266 days he already served...
Why only 266 days? Didn't this happen about 14 months ago which would be already over 400 days?

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 May 01, 2009 at 12:59 AM ShatzMatz Says:

Since I am familiar with Japanese culture I can tell you that any suggestion of a protest or boycott is counter productive. The court system over there is entirely independent and it is impossible to sway them by political or public pressure. The concept of compassion also does not exist over there. The society there is very disciplined and rigid. Therefore, the only solution is by working through the foreign ministry to arrange for the boys to serve there time in Israel. They will not make any special exceptions for anyone, but I understand that there is such a thing in Japan, but only after you serve over half your sentence.

In either case, this is a tough spot to be in. The only glimmer of hope is that these boys have already been "broken -in" to Japanese prison life, so serving their sentence going forward will not be so tough. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the trauma will affect them for life.


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 May 01, 2009 at 12:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Cranberry stuffer Says:

I am really crying here, those poor boys, poor parents. We need Moshiach already!

you can type when you cry?

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 May 01, 2009 at 12:50 AM misterzee Says:

dont trust your best freind/that is a bunch of hogwash,the world is built on chesed and trust.how about being careful and suspicious.i am a cancer patient in israel who needs stuff that i sway better and cheaper in usa,nobody should help me according to your logic
rebettzin kanievesky wrote a letter on my behalf to a wealthy benefactor in usa,i had it laminated and sent my mother in law to the airport to send to america,u had to be blind not to see that it was a simple letter laminated on a thin plack,aftr an hour she gave up.
that is your idea of chesed?maybe dont give a car ride to a stranger,he may plant drugs in your car,
these boys knew something was amiss and there was a false bottom to the suitcase,may not have known it was drugs,but they knew it wads contraband and they were not fling to a mamleches chesed like the usa or israel,so pleae continue taking pacakages and if you hava a doubt,inspect the pacakage,but you still have a chiyuv chesed,or convert to chrishtanity

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 May 01, 2009 at 12:44 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

nebbach-We must do our parts to contribute to Pidyon Shvuyim. Every single woman out there should take upon herself an extra obligation in tzniyus. The mother of one of these unfortunate bochurim has written a heartfelt plea requesting that we try to upgrade our tzniyus level in whatever way we can. If we each do our little part, surely HKB"H will have rachmanus, not only in this tragic area, but surely we will reap the rewards for our efforts by enjoying more bracha and hatzlacha in our lives!

...and what makes you think that tznius has only to do with women? it is people like you who cheapen the whole idea and totally twist it out of reality. TZNIUS IS FOR ALL JEWS ALIKE!!! men, women, boys, girlsm and even you!

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 May 01, 2009 at 12:36 AM karma dude Says:

7, 16, 17, 20, 23, 25, 35- Read the article before you comment please, most of us don't need to read what we just did again like it's some kind of original thought you came up with.
30, 40- You're morons.

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 May 01, 2009 at 12:36 AM jacob Says:

Crime doesn't pay. These "yeshiva bochrim" got light sentences because of the generosity of the klal.

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 May 01, 2009 at 06:42 AM tzvi Says:

i am very sorry for him and i wish him very much koach to survive the nisoien.

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 May 01, 2009 at 12:22 AM Anonymous Says:

For one, the boy has immense relief after sitting over a year in the dark not knowing when the trial date would be and how harsh his sentence would be. And two ,not to say I don't feel the pain the are going through,but this is clearly a case of hashem, destining each person his future. So people don't give up hope soon ....soon we will all be oasgelaizt and all destinys will wind into one.

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 May 01, 2009 at 12:18 AM berel Says:

#1..how many times does it have to be repeated that they were conned and didnt know it was something illegal?

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 May 01, 2009 at 12:13 AM Ahem Says:

Reply to #41  
Anonymous Says:

Is there not any slight possibility that they had an inkling as to what they were doing? I mean obviously we have to be Dan L'Kaf Zchus, but I'm not sure the Japanese police are simply foolish anti-semites...Of course I feel for the boys & daven for them just the same, but there seems to possibly be more to the story........maybe I'm wrong....

No. Absolutely no slight chance. In fact, the security workers from the airport at arrivals testified in court that according to the boys' reactions and responses, they are sure without a shadow of a doubt that they had NO clue as to what they were doing. They even flew to Israel to testify against the Rasha Bentzi Miller. I also know Yossi personally, and I can tell you that his innocence would speak for itself if you'd see him. (I don't mean innocence in court, but his Temimut.)

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 May 01, 2009 at 12:10 AM Ahem Says:

Reply to #31  
jim Says:

Sounds like you know th facts. What's so good about it?

It's good because they expected a fifteen year sentence to begin with. His lawyer asked for a ten year sentence as a plea. To get this is much better than expected. Still horrifying, but better than what was thought he'll get.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:56 PM Chremsel Says:

When you commit a crime, with or without intent, you are guilty of committing the crime. You are punished more if it's with intent and slightly less without intent.

When you double park, you commit a crime.
When you cross the street on a red light or a 'don't walk, you commit a crime.
When you throw trash or cigarette butts out of your car, you commit a crime.
When you honk your car horn like a meshigener for no emergency reason, you commit a crime.
When you give your friend some of your prescription drugs, you commit a crime.
etc. etc. etc.


Just because you're not caught or the NYPD couldn't care does not make your criminal acts legal. After awhile you get used to doing the above items or other criminal activities and to you it all seems fine and dandy.

Obey the laws of the land as well as Halocho and all will be well.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:56 PM Daniel Says:

To Mr. Anonymous #1:

You're still at it, eh?

What on earth would we do if you weren't here to tell us how correct and honorable the Gentiles are?

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Let's not for get about the other 2 bucheren

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 May 01, 2009 at 06:48 AM A Mother Says:

As a mother of sons my heart goes out to young foolish kids who are unschooled in the wicked ways of the world, and in their naivete take such chances. In general we try to protect our boys from being contaminated by the Reshut of the world. Not talking to them in the Yeshivos is a horrendous mistake. Parents must make sure to have an ongoing dialogue and work on their relationships with their boys in Yeshiva.The girls are far more savy and know more more about the wicked outside world. do not leave it up to others to be mechanech your boys!!! This is the lesson that needs to be learned.
As far as what we need to do now, we need to do everthing in our power to get the release of Gilad Shalit who really if he is still living,out of that Gehenom in Gaza. It should be up to all Jewish wormen to protest in front of the Palestinian Embassy and as mothers help with his release and rescue. This would be the ultimate form of Pidyon Shivuim.
We need to take up this cause and show the world that we protect our own innocent sons! what can be done to organize this? If you have any ideas please write!!! Let me know

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:51 PM Anonymous Says:

any type of protest will only anger the japenees they are a very proud people and it will fire back.

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

nebbach-We must do our parts to contribute to Pidyon Shvuyim. Every single woman out there should take upon herself an extra obligation in tzniyus. The mother of one of these unfortunate bochurim has written a heartfelt plea requesting that we try to upgrade our tzniyus level in whatever way we can. If we each do our little part, surely HKB"H will have rachmanus, not only in this tragic area, but surely we will reap the rewards for our efforts by enjoying more bracha and hatzlacha in our lives!

let the mother also say that people who are needy should get food for shabbos why is ity always tznius and loshon hora lets get back to chesed

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:48 PM id like to make a point to consider Says:

the sentence for the guy that sent them to japan should be a day for each day each bochur is sentenced and he should do his time in japan and the three boys should do it in israel

one point the boys knew they were doing smuggling and they thought it was antiques not drugs but if i am correct it is still a crime

people should be mispallel but also take the time for every yeshiva to explain to the bochrim what evil can happen if they shlep a package

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:45 PM Anonymous Says:

The problem is they in the end said they knew. The papers revealed that. Under strong questioning they revealed that they did know exactly what was in their bags. So why would they get leniancy?

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 Apr 30, 2009 at 11:38 PM Anonymous Says:

R"l but with hashems help, he will emerge from this, and will be fine iy"h/

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:13 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
anon Says:

these posts are sickening. they knew what they were doing and took the money they received very happily. there is no rachmana l'tztlan here. drugs kill people. drugs are illegal for a reason. how many lives could they have helped destroy by transporting these drugs? that ever occurred to them? THAT is the rachman l'tzltan here.

let 'em rot.

you people are so brainwashed.


so your big heart breaks for the many lives they could have help destroy but to let em rot over something they may or may not have known the were doing your o.k. with
thats whats sickening

i think its time for you to be brainwashed

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:12 AM frumkeit Says:

Reply to #17  
Ahem Says:

Although this is unconfirmed, I heard from a family source that they are trying to get him to sit out his sentence in Israel. On the one hand, ti's a relief that ti's not a much longer sentence, as was expected. On the other hand, this boy, innocently sitting there for four years. It's just horrifying.

Also, why is it only 266 days? He was imprisoned last year before Pesach some time.

der bucher hut gegangen tzu yeshiva, ehr hut gelernt "udem mee-ad l'oilem" ...so is he innocent? For all you know, and this is very likely...did he accept money for his 'shlichus'? And he is 'innocent'?!!! Is this a 'kutt'n'?

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:06 AM cool masmid Says:

Reply to #50  
anon Says:

these posts are sickening. they knew what they were doing and took the money they received very happily. there is no rachmana l'tztlan here. drugs kill people. drugs are illegal for a reason. how many lives could they have helped destroy by transporting these drugs? that ever occurred to them? THAT is the rachman l'tzltan here.

let 'em rot.

you people are so brainwashed.


I just hope you are not one of us ..... but if you are I suggest go check your family tree and you will be surprised to find out something you didn't know before. 'Rachmonim' is an attribute that every yid has, and you obviously don't have not even a ounce of it, and so it seems like the obvious - go check it out and report back.

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:03 AM Anonymous Says:

Hashem should help he should come out gezunt and shtark even 1 day is like death sentence

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 May 01, 2009 at 06:58 AM duvi Says:

Reply to #78  
Anonymous Says:

The problem is they in the end said they knew. The papers revealed that. Under strong questioning they revealed that they did know exactly what was in their bags. So why would they get leniancy?

is this really true i would like to see your source. If this is true it is important klal yisroel knows because as far as i know right now there is no evidence they knew and they claimed not to know. please post a link

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 May 01, 2009 at 06:58 AM anon Says:

Reply to #57  
duvi Says:

they knew what they were doing? who told you that? you are probably the same liberal idiot who would defend a murderer who is guilty beyond reasonable doubt, but your fellow jew who you have no idea if he had intent to commit a crime and halacha REQUIRES you to be dan lkaf zechus you assume is guilty and seem happy they are going to prision.

I am not liberal, in fact I am pretty conservative. you are an idiot. why don't you go protest against all the child molesters? after all the victims are also your fellow Jews. Oh, but of course that it not as politically correct as crying over some greedy teenagers. You would actually have to have some chutzpah to get up and accuse our leadership of doing NOTHING.

Nope, I will let 'em rot. Their greed caught up with them. And thank you Japan for catching these vile evil drugs and preventing them for being sold and destroying human lives.

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 May 01, 2009 at 06:52 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

nebbach-We must do our parts to contribute to Pidyon Shvuyim. Every single woman out there should take upon herself an extra obligation in tzniyus. The mother of one of these unfortunate bochurim has written a heartfelt plea requesting that we try to upgrade our tzniyus level in whatever way we can. If we each do our little part, surely HKB"H will have rachmanus, not only in this tragic area, but surely we will reap the rewards for our efforts by enjoying more bracha and hatzlacha in our lives!

Just curious, did she also beg other mothers and fathers never to allow such shtusim to happen to their own children? Yeshiva bochurim have no business accepting "free trips" to anywhere!!! If it sounds too good to be true it isn't!!! Strangers coming into your home with grand ideas and grand schemes are up to no good! Smuggling of any kind is no good, against the law and against halacha! Saying that you thought it was "only jewelry" or "only electronic" etc, and didn't know it was drugs, is not an excuse! Don't let your children get caught up in someone else schemes and garbage!

Hashem yirachem! We are all put through nisyonos big and small, don't be fooled. The ikar is not to take upon yourselves another act of tznius for women. The ikar is for all YIDDIN to understand Hashem's Torah and to be vigillent in all aspects!

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #62  
misterzee Says:

dont trust your best freind/that is a bunch of hogwash,the world is built on chesed and trust.how about being careful and suspicious.i am a cancer patient in israel who needs stuff that i sway better and cheaper in usa,nobody should help me according to your logic
rebettzin kanievesky wrote a letter on my behalf to a wealthy benefactor in usa,i had it laminated and sent my mother in law to the airport to send to america,u had to be blind not to see that it was a simple letter laminated on a thin plack,aftr an hour she gave up.
that is your idea of chesed?maybe dont give a car ride to a stranger,he may plant drugs in your car,
these boys knew something was amiss and there was a false bottom to the suitcase,may not have known it was drugs,but they knew it wads contraband and they were not fling to a mamleches chesed like the usa or israel,so pleae continue taking pacakages and if you hava a doubt,inspect the pacakage,but you still have a chiyuv chesed,or convert to chrishtanity

Your mother in law's time in the airport plus the traveling to and from the airport is probaly worth more then what it cost to mail the laminated letter.

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #48  
shlomo zalman Says:

We all pray for these young boys, but the tznius bit is nonsense. Leave the women alone, this did not happen because women don't have enough tznius.

you are right! allways we blame it on the women. why don't we leave tham alone . how do thay come in to the picture.abe gezint:

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:42 AM Conservative One Says:

Reply to #50  
anon Says:

these posts are sickening. they knew what they were doing and took the money they received very happily. there is no rachmana l'tztlan here. drugs kill people. drugs are illegal for a reason. how many lives could they have helped destroy by transporting these drugs? that ever occurred to them? THAT is the rachman l'tzltan here.

let 'em rot.

you people are so brainwashed.

You are either incredibly stupid or incredibly evil. These are innocent Yeshiva boys who could not imagine that such evil as this bum exists. You are really one of the miracles of science where someone who is brain dead can walk.

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

we should all boycott Japaneeses made cars and their items to show our protest!!!!

If we made stupidity a crime, we would have to boycott a lot of people who post here. The Japanese are simply enforcing their laws as they do agaisnt their own citizens guilty of such crimes. In fact, the sentence is relatively mild considering the circumstances he could have gotten more. Why should we boycott a country that is a friend of EY on most issues for following their own laws. The law doesn't provide an exemption for frum bochurim from EY who are naive and are tricked into being drug smugglers.

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:36 AM PMO Says:

For crying out loud... everyone should save their phony outrage over these boys.

They got in cahoots with a criminal. If these boys thought there was nothing wrong with the "antiques" they were transporting, why did they not tell anyone what they were doing or where they were going? Nobody knew where they were. They may not have known about the drugs, but from the level of secrecy it was pretty clear that they knew about the antiquities fraud (which is what I believe they admitted to).

Look... I will daven for them and their families, as I would for any "soft" criminal. However, these boys are still criminals and 5 years is a perfectly fair sentence for an international crime.

All you bleeding-heart liberals that think this is too harsh... or they got a raw deal because the Japanese are antisemites... really have this wrong. If an xian or a Muslim had come to Israel or the USA claiming the same thing, the punishment would have been much harsher.

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:32 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

we should all boycott Japaneeses made cars and their items to show our protest!!!!

Y boycott you kidding me, if a goy would bring in drugs in E"Y would you want the goy to be let out of jail...

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:27 AM erlicha yid Says:

(reply to #42) tzinus is a bigger problem then kavanah, by tznius there is "v'shov machrechu", that we could be machshil other pepole, & with the zchiss of tznius we went out from mitzraim, & if we will do more in tznius meshiach will come.

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:23 AM Conservative One Says:

Reply to #45  
Harry Carey Says:

Enough crocodile tears for the Tokyo Three already. They were either incredibly stupid or they knowingly broke the law. This naive, innocent heimishe yeshiva bochur boba meiseh is just that. No normal person could believe that they were getting a free trip to eastern Europe via Japan - stam. When they get back to Israel finally they will get very good shiduchim because no kaleh's parents will believe the stupid option. They will believe they got caught while trying to outsmart the goyim - Japs at that. So they got caught, too bad, but they gave it a good try. What's wrong with fiddling with the goyim? And the choir sings: Dan L'kav Zchus.

You are either incredibly stupid or just plainly evil. The one who should be sitting in Jail is the bum who gave them the drugs. They are innocent Yeshiva boys who trusted him and could not believe that such evil could exist and I don't believe that such stupid people as you exist. You are truly a miracle of modern science when someone who is brain dead can walk.

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:21 AM Frumkeit Says:

Reply to #72  
Daniel Says:

To Mr. Anonymous #1:

You're still at it, eh?

What on earth would we do if you weren't here to tell us how correct and honorable the Gentiles are?

Daniel...there is little question that our battei dinnim are much more upfront than any of those of the malchus har'sha'ah....oops.. does that include Japan? Oh yes...any non Jewish court system must be corrupt...especially when dealing with amcha....I am certain that a non Jew will always receive an unbiased trial in beis din.....wait...what if i am not a member of the beis din's society? Will I get a fair trial?

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:20 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

nebbach-We must do our parts to contribute to Pidyon Shvuyim. Every single woman out there should take upon herself an extra obligation in tzniyus. The mother of one of these unfortunate bochurim has written a heartfelt plea requesting that we try to upgrade our tzniyus level in whatever way we can. If we each do our little part, surely HKB"H will have rachmanus, not only in this tragic area, but surely we will reap the rewards for our efforts by enjoying more bracha and hatzlacha in our lives!

What possible connection could there be between tzniyus and pidyon shvuyim?

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 May 01, 2009 at 07:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Why are we always blaming those who prosecute crimes committed by yiddin or screaming anti-semitism rather than saying the criminals--whether yiddim or goyim-- got what they deserved. There should be no automatic assumption that yiddin are not guilty when they are found guilty by a court in a democratic country.

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 May 01, 2009 at 08:03 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
yidel Says:

GOOD???
ARE U NUTS?
I understand it could have been worse, but I don't consider this good!!!

I do find it good, it is about time that people learn that they should not do things that are wrong. for too long too many think that they can get away with things. Lucky that he only got 3 years and will maybe teach many others that there is no free ride. The next person could have gotten killed.

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 May 01, 2009 at 08:36 AM HAGTBG Says:

Drug smuggling is taken seriously by most states. They knew they were doing something illegal (or they would have declared what they were carrying) - from the comments here it seems the community sanctions that part (which would itself justify a harsher sentence to send a message). They get a light sentence and probably can serve it in Israel, no less. The reaction here by most posters is misplaced.

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 May 01, 2009 at 08:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Considering the notorious cruelty of the Japanese, this is a good outcome. It's all relative: in light of Japan's laws he's "lucky". Of course, even 1 day in jail is too much, but there was no chance of time served, not from these sadistic bastards (just look at how they treated POW's in WWII.) Hopefully the govt will deport him immediately. G-d willing, the older 2 bochurim should be given light sentences & allowed to sit in Israel. This is so heartbreaking.

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 May 01, 2009 at 08:34 AM yossi Says:

Every parent should double check the suitcase when they send their bucher or daughter off to any country to study...we never know how desperate a child might be for a few extra dollars and they will be conned to take a little package along for a few bucks...Please talk to them before packing and on the way to the airport dont be shy and just ASK if they are taking any package for a chaver or friend....

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 May 01, 2009 at 08:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
anonymous Says:

Please don't write this. It's enough heartbreaking to here such terrible news. And by the way these bochurim are truly innocent and they are suffering for our sins.

What do you mean they are suffering for our sins? Are you saying g-d put illegal drugs in their luggage because someone else is sinning? How do you know what
g-d is thinking, and isn't this sacrificing one person for the sins of another a xtian concept?

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 May 01, 2009 at 08:19 AM Moshe Says:

Reply to #38  
goilem Says:

no, we should not do this. every person has a right to decide for himself what to buy. but to come out and say we should boycott Japanese cars and goods is absolutely not in accordance with the Torah.

The Japanese saved the Mir yeshiva during the war. They were within their rights to convict. Go after the one who sent them

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 May 01, 2009 at 08:14 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

How about just you , me and the rest of us just take it upon ourselves to daven with more kavanah. Just a little davening with some kavanah...Where soes tznius come into the picture ?

The point is - improve yourself in things that need to be improved. If your tznius is perfect, but your kavona in davening is not, then definitely work on your kavona. (Or you can do both for that matter :))

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 May 01, 2009 at 08:50 AM tootoired Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

nebbach-We must do our parts to contribute to Pidyon Shvuyim. Every single woman out there should take upon herself an extra obligation in tzniyus. The mother of one of these unfortunate bochurim has written a heartfelt plea requesting that we try to upgrade our tzniyus level in whatever way we can. If we each do our little part, surely HKB"H will have rachmanus, not only in this tragic area, but surely we will reap the rewards for our efforts by enjoying more bracha and hatzlacha in our lives!

This tragedy didn't happen because women aren't careful enough in tznius. It happened because the boys broke the law (they thought they were "only" smuggling antiquities).

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 May 01, 2009 at 08:52 AM Anonymous Says:

what about Pollard? Did he deal in drugs? how long has he been sitting?...where is the outrage?

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 May 01, 2009 at 09:25 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Herelle Says:

My understanding is they where arrested before pesach last year, this means they are jailed for a year and a Month or so, how is it possible they only served 266 Days?

In the US, most of the time the judge will deduct from the sentence from when the person was jailed. In japan only from when a person gets indicted!

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 May 01, 2009 at 09:16 AM Anonymous Says:

Japan is not a democratic country, by no means. "Democracy" is a relative term to desribe what each person for themself perceives as "freedom" and "government."

Is England a democratic country? No. Its socialist. Is America a democratic country? By now, with the liberal agendas, we are heading far, far away from it. Our judicial system is as demoractic as they come. Anyone can sue or incriminate anyone. But then the liberty is to the incriminated to defend himself. Is this sytems fair and just? Does it work? Thats up to whoever was hurt by it, either by the money it takes - but one doesnt have - to go thru the system, etc. but its still better than closed systems liek in Japan.

Its an old discussion.

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 May 01, 2009 at 09:38 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

we should all boycott Japaneeses made cars and their items to show our protest!!!!

Why? They try to have a clean country! Look at the Americans how afraid they are about their kids.

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 May 01, 2009 at 09:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #106  
Anonymous Says:

what about Pollard? Did he deal in drugs? how long has he been sitting?...where is the outrage?

How can you compare a minor drug charge to the "treason" that was the basis for Pollard's incarceration. The two are not comparable.

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 May 01, 2009 at 09:47 AM chasidishe yid Says:

All of you modarn orthadox people get suddenly so conservetive when it comes regarding these miner crimes highly infested among the chasidishe community such as requesting welfare programs when you are not 100% eligeble or smmugling elctronics or some other goods abroad (not stealing 'other peoples' money or murdering) that some of you 'corect' guys even suggest they deserve such a harsh punishment like murdering just because they were Chasidim doing it!!! # 50, stop your hatred against Chasidim don't be so corect and heartless when the issue is 3 yiddishe boys are suffering and being tourtered while their families are devastated. (The issue is not wether they commited a crime or not whether the japanise gave them a fair sentence or not) # 50, we won't 'let em rot'we won't listen to your cruel heartless opinions we will do everything in our hands to make them and their families easier, god help them be released soon

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 May 01, 2009 at 09:09 AM Shimon Taylor Says:

There could be abslutely no question about it, unless told otherwise, that a temimus dik bochuur should not do another yed a "favor", in return for a plane ticket to kivrei tzadikim.
I hope the z'chus of the double mitzva reaches them and they get out very very soon.
Besides, isn't there someone here who can post an article about how much torcher is being done to them? The biggest cruelty to these boys is that the Japanese know how to prevent them from dying.
I believe that dying would be the preferable outcome asap, rather than what they are going through now.
This only leaves the need that someone post an article with the gory details. Please!

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 May 01, 2009 at 09:03 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #106  
Anonymous Says:

what about Pollard? Did he deal in drugs? how long has he been sitting?...where is the outrage?

I guess no one but you has mentioned Pollard before. There has never been any outrage over Pollard. Huh?

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 May 01, 2009 at 09:53 AM Shaul in Monsey Says:

The calls here for a boycott of Japanese products indicate pretty much the same twisted shtet mentality that landed these three in jail in the first place.

We shouldn't be calling for boycotts, we should be calling for every yid to support and buy more Japanese!

The rachmonis this judge in Japan showed this boy is monumental in nature. Anyone who understands Japanese culture, as I do - having been there and done busines sthere many times - knows for a fact that this sentence is nothing short of a neis nigleh. I can assure you, for this offense, regardless of the fact that they had no idea they were carrying drugs - the judge could have handed out 20 years like candy. You have no idea what you are writing and you have no concept of rachmanus and brocho.

The Japanese public will definitely see this as a light slap on the wrist and there will be political fallout there as well.

And remember these guys were being paid, and they thought they were doing this to avoid paying taxes - also a crime.

Amazing how even when a brocho comes our way people spit on the shaliach and on the True Source of all Brocho. Y'all are sick.

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 May 01, 2009 at 09:51 AM cool masmid Says:

Reply to #91  
PMO Says:

For crying out loud... everyone should save their phony outrage over these boys.

They got in cahoots with a criminal. If these boys thought there was nothing wrong with the "antiques" they were transporting, why did they not tell anyone what they were doing or where they were going? Nobody knew where they were. They may not have known about the drugs, but from the level of secrecy it was pretty clear that they knew about the antiquities fraud (which is what I believe they admitted to).

Look... I will daven for them and their families, as I would for any "soft" criminal. However, these boys are still criminals and 5 years is a perfectly fair sentence for an international crime.

All you bleeding-heart liberals that think this is too harsh... or they got a raw deal because the Japanese are antisemites... really have this wrong. If an xian or a Muslim had come to Israel or the USA claiming the same thing, the punishment would have been much harsher.

With a mouth like yours... no-one is really going to listen to you - that includes Almighty. So what I suggest is , forget your davening - go and look in a mirror and then go and take a mussar sefer and try and change a few things about yourself, and again let others do the davening.

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 May 01, 2009 at 10:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #59  
Anonymous Says:

It says in the article...According to preliminary reports, the judge gave his verdict, sentencing Yosef Bandau to five years in prison, from which 266 days he already served...
Why only 266 days? Didn't this happen about 14 months ago which would be already over 400 days?

It is my understanding that the 266 days is from when the trial started not from when they were arrested.

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 May 01, 2009 at 10:19 AM awacs Says:

Reply to #50  
anon Says:

these posts are sickening. they knew what they were doing and took the money they received very happily. there is no rachmana l'tztlan here. drugs kill people. drugs are illegal for a reason. how many lives could they have helped destroy by transporting these drugs? that ever occurred to them? THAT is the rachman l'tzltan here.

let 'em rot.

you people are so brainwashed.

And it it was your child, would you say "let him rot?"

For the Lubavitcher Rebbe, EVERY child was "his child."

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 May 01, 2009 at 10:10 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #110  
Anonymous Says:

How can you compare a minor drug charge to the "treason" that was the basis for Pollard's incarceration. The two are not comparable.

Transporting that much ecstacy into a country is not MINOR!

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 May 01, 2009 at 10:10 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

we should all boycott Japaneeses made cars and their items to show our protest!!!!

Why blame the Japanese? It's their country and their laws

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 May 01, 2009 at 10:04 AM boroparkyenta Says:

Reply to #102  
Anonymous Says:

What do you mean they are suffering for our sins? Are you saying g-d put illegal drugs in their luggage because someone else is sinning? How do you know what
g-d is thinking, and isn't this sacrificing one person for the sins of another a xtian concept?

As heartbreaking as this story is, and I am feeling the pain of these boys and these families, its a miracle that this is the first time this has happened. These smugglers got away with it for years. Smuggling all kinds of things, from diamonds, to money, to anything illegal. There is no such thing as a "FREE" ticket to anywhere. Every child should be taught that!
Yes, they are teenagers, but their parents "allowed" them to accept this offer.
We need to avoid all illegal things and things that involve lies and cheating.
The world cannot stand on SHEKER. SHEKER has no feet. The world stands on EMES. Whenever someone R"L dies, due to their own misdeeds or misfortune, there is always talk about women and tznius. Women should try to improve in whatever needs improvement. So should men. Yes, we are all one, but if someone did something wrong, and was subsequently punished, why is it that we are told that we are all doing something wrong? & we need to improve? We are all human and we all need to do teshuva regardless. These incidents teach us all to live our lives according to the Torah, honestly. Everyone should concentrate on bein adam lechavero. If you borrowed money from someone, or worse, stole money from someone, PAY IT BACK! If everyone would improve in their levels of honesty, I can see the connection!
Why was this person smuggling drugs? To have easy money, without working for it, to buy the things that his neighbor has, a nicer house, nicer car, nicer clothes! When working for money, it is not so easy to acquire the better things in life. But getting rich quick does not happen for most honest hardworking people like you and me. This drug dealer and the luggage should have been caught on the way out, still in Israel, and the drug dealer should be the one in jail.
We need to learn from all this what we should never do, and teach our children what never to do. Yes, I will still take packages from people I know and trust. Yes, I will personally open and check everything to make sure it is what they say it is, even if its a friend of a friend. No, I do not do this for money or for a free ticket, but because its a chesed. And I too send packages of toys and gifts to my cousins, on a regular basis, leaving them open and clear. We are am yisrael, and want to help each other out. We dont want to cheat, lie and steal from anyone. We dont want to go against the law or sit in jail. And if we have no money to buy a ticket, we dont travel.

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 May 01, 2009 at 10:03 AM waited anxiously for news of the verdict Says:

Reply to #64  
karma dude Says:

7, 16, 17, 20, 23, 25, 35- Read the article before you comment please, most of us don't need to read what we just did again like it's some kind of original thought you came up with.
30, 40- You're morons.

The article was written and posted bit by bit, as the facts became known. These comments were written before the complete information was posted.

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 May 01, 2009 at 10:03 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #93  
erlicha yid Says:

(reply to #42) tzinus is a bigger problem then kavanah, by tznius there is "v'shov machrechu", that we could be machshil other pepole, & with the zchiss of tznius we went out from mitzraim, & if we will do more in tznius meshiach will come.

Actually the Lubavitcher Rebbe said that we need the zchus of tzedakah to bring Moshiach. Tznius is also a good thing to work on, as is every other mitzvah in the Torah.
When we help our fellow Yid, one of Hashem's children, it arouses rachamim rabim to come down from Hashem and hopefully will help the Geulah happen sooner.

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 May 01, 2009 at 10:42 AM anon Says:

Reply to #82  
cool masmid Says:


I just hope you are not one of us ..... but if you are I suggest go check your family tree and you will be surprised to find out something you didn't know before. 'Rachmonim' is an attribute that every yid has, and you obviously don't have not even a ounce of it, and so it seems like the obvious - go check it out and report back.

hmmm let's see - one my mother's side I am descended from the Vilna Gaon and on my father's side I am descended from the Koznitz Chassidish dynasty. is that good enough for you? the truth is that unlike you, I do not still live in the European shtetl and UNLIKE YOU who probably get welfare and section 8 and G-d knows what else, I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for my actions and don't expect anything from the GOYISHE VELT JUST BECAUSE I AM JEWISH

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 May 01, 2009 at 10:37 AM anon Says:

Reply to #117  
awacs Says:

And it it was your child, would you say "let him rot?"

For the Lubavitcher Rebbe, EVERY child was "his child."

i will not cry anti semitism for every little thing. why don't you encourage pple to take responsibility for their actions for a change?

thank you Japan for enforcing the rules of your country in a fair manner.

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 May 01, 2009 at 10:34 AM anon Says:

Reply to #89  
Conservative One Says:

You are either incredibly stupid or incredibly evil. These are innocent Yeshiva boys who could not imagine that such evil as this bum exists. You are really one of the miracles of science where someone who is brain dead can walk.

you are the evil one. laws are there for a reason. you are so brainwashed to believe that no matter what we do, we can get away with it bc we are Jews. they commited a crime and should be punished for it.

follow the rules for a change and stop expecting the world to excuse your actions.

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 May 01, 2009 at 10:33 AM jj Says:

this is a sad story. Although i agree that what the bochurim did was wrong, I think they were manipulated by others to to this smuggling.

I guess what i am trying to say is that it makes more sense to convict and jail the big drug dealers instead of the street level addicts.

and similarly , the japanese government should try to pursue arresting those who gave the drugs to the bochurim to bring into japan,.

but let this case be an example for everyone else . Be careful and dont let yourself be manipulated into doing a crime for someone elses benefit.

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 May 01, 2009 at 10:26 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #45  
Harry Carey Says:

Enough crocodile tears for the Tokyo Three already. They were either incredibly stupid or they knowingly broke the law. This naive, innocent heimishe yeshiva bochur boba meiseh is just that. No normal person could believe that they were getting a free trip to eastern Europe via Japan - stam. When they get back to Israel finally they will get very good shiduchim because no kaleh's parents will believe the stupid option. They will believe they got caught while trying to outsmart the goyim - Japs at that. So they got caught, too bad, but they gave it a good try. What's wrong with fiddling with the goyim? And the choir sings: Dan L'kav Zchus.

You are a very cruel person. I would say you never learnt and have no feeling for a fellow jew. Chazal tells us 'everyone who judges a fellow jew lkav zechus the Rebono shel Olam will be dan that person lkav zechus'. It would seem that you are so sure of yourself that you have no sins and you 100% pure. Let us hope that you are not ever brought to a nisoyon you will fail misrabelely. THESE BOYS ERE INNOCENT a man who'm they trusted asked tham to take a package & gave tham some extra spending money these boys come from very poor homes and the money they received seemed like a fortune to them. How many people would be able to be omed benisoyon when someone offers you a lucrative bussiness deal that may not be 100% within the law but you could make a lot of money do you YOU #45 would be able to withstand the test look at yourself closely.
these boys need out teffilos and seyata dishmaya that the Rebono shel olam should have mercy on them & on us.

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 May 01, 2009 at 11:18 AM Chaim Says:

Ye I don't think im gonna lose any sleep over a drug smuggler going to jail.

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 May 01, 2009 at 11:18 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #125  
anon Says:

you are the evil one. laws are there for a reason. you are so brainwashed to believe that no matter what we do, we can get away with it bc we are Jews. they commited a crime and should be punished for it.

follow the rules for a change and stop expecting the world to excuse your actions.

"MR HOLY THAN THOU' speaking. Must be a big tzadik watches what he speaks, eats, looks at, never wastes a minute, never lies, never parks illegally, drives within the speed limit just MR. PERFECT. Let's face it you are a self hating jew the lowest of the lowest.

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 May 01, 2009 at 11:45 AM dovy Says:

Reply to #106  
Anonymous Says:

what about Pollard? Did he deal in drugs? how long has he been sitting?...where is the outrage?

There is much outrage and support for Pollard. Where have you been. But it's also true that spying on your own country and abusing your position of trust is a much more severe crime than drug smuggling.
All you morons who think that if you believe that they deserve to be punished that means we should not feel sorry or cry for them at all, are obviously not m'zera yehudi. Go back to Iran you idiots.

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 May 01, 2009 at 11:28 AM PMO Says:

Reply to #127  
Anonymous Says:

You are a very cruel person. I would say you never learnt and have no feeling for a fellow jew. Chazal tells us 'everyone who judges a fellow jew lkav zechus the Rebono shel Olam will be dan that person lkav zechus'. It would seem that you are so sure of yourself that you have no sins and you 100% pure. Let us hope that you are not ever brought to a nisoyon you will fail misrabelely. THESE BOYS ERE INNOCENT a man who'm they trusted asked tham to take a package & gave tham some extra spending money these boys come from very poor homes and the money they received seemed like a fortune to them. How many people would be able to be omed benisoyon when someone offers you a lucrative bussiness deal that may not be 100% within the law but you could make a lot of money do you YOU #45 would be able to withstand the test look at yourself closely.
these boys need out teffilos and seyata dishmaya that the Rebono shel olam should have mercy on them & on us.

You are wrong. These boys are not innocent. They knowingly committed antiquities fraud and were illegally smuggling items across international borders. They admitted to it. So right of the bat, your ridiculously emotional response is based on a lie.

You are correct that these boys need our tefilos and seyata dishmaya. They certainly do. Nobody denies that. But the punishment DOES fit the crime. You can find other stories of such smuggling where the sentences in other countries were even more harsh and there were no drugs involved.

These boys made a decision to be criminals. Yes, the crime they THOUGHT they were committing was minor, but they still decided to be criminals. The fact that their criminal co-conspirators played them for fools and hid drugs in the phony antiques is just par for the course when you join a criminal enterprise. When you lay down with a dog, you're going to get fleas. The fleas here turned out to be a large stash of narcotics.

As for your other foolish comment, I am an honest businessman, and I believe that MOST yirei shomayim are. I have never KNOWINGLY broken any law that I can think of, other than speeding or parking in the wrong place (for which I accept whatever the prescribed punishment is). I have turned down many opportunities to make more money by doing something "slightly illegal" or "somewhat unethical". The word KNOWINGLY is the issue here. Then KNEW they were doing something illegal. The fact that they did not know the potential consequences of their crime is their own foolish ignorance. Saying "I'm too dumb to understand that crimes have consequences": to a judge is not a defense... it is a pathetic declaration of your own stupidity.

These boys need to man-up and accept the punishment for their crimes. Hopefully their stupidity will serve as an example to others. Think of all the other bochurim who will steer clear of criminal activity as a result. Perhaps this should be a lesson to all the yeshivos that completely tune out the outside world. Bochurim need to know how to handle themselves in the world as well. That only comes from education. Somewhere along the way, the education became unimportant. I think its about time to put it back in its rightful place.

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 May 01, 2009 at 11:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #59  
Anonymous Says:

It says in the article...According to preliminary reports, the judge gave his verdict, sentencing Yosef Bandau to five years in prison, from which 266 days he already served...
Why only 266 days? Didn't this happen about 14 months ago which would be already over 400 days?

266 days is from when the trial began not from when they were arrested.

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 May 01, 2009 at 11:13 AM A Yid Says:

He smuggled drugs, He got caught, now hes gonna sit. This happens every dayall over the world. its a non story, MOVE ON

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 May 01, 2009 at 11:04 AM PMO Says:

Reply to #108  
Anonymous Says:

Japan is not a democratic country, by no means. "Democracy" is a relative term to desribe what each person for themself perceives as "freedom" and "government."

Is England a democratic country? No. Its socialist. Is America a democratic country? By now, with the liberal agendas, we are heading far, far away from it. Our judicial system is as demoractic as they come. Anyone can sue or incriminate anyone. But then the liberty is to the incriminated to defend himself. Is this sytems fair and just? Does it work? Thats up to whoever was hurt by it, either by the money it takes - but one doesnt have - to go thru the system, etc. but its still better than closed systems liek in Japan.

Its an old discussion.

I hate to burst your bubble, but Democracy means that the people decide on the governance of the country either by voting themselves, or the votes of their elected representatives. That's it. It has nothing to do with freedom... or socialism... or the justice system... or anything else you wrote about.

Democracy is a system whereby the people control the government. Japan and England are both democracies. That does not mean that they cannot be communist or socialist or anything else. For example, Israel is a Democratic Socialist state. The United States is a Democratic Republic. England is a Democratic Republic (although moving socialist). China is a Communist Republic. Japan is a Democratic Socialist state. Sweden is a Democratic Socialist state.

However, none of these "labels" has anything to do with their judicial systems or the sentences that are handed down to those who commit crimes. That is generally a subjective thing based on the culture of the people in that country (except in the case of dictatorships like Cuba).

I suggest you learn the difference between the world's various forms of government as well as the various ideologies. It is such an embarrassment to see someone make a passionate point about something they do not understand in the slightest.

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 May 01, 2009 at 10:58 AM WAKE UP CALL Says:

USA and other States that are lax on Drug laws should learn from Japan on how to deal with this problem called DRUGS!. Drugs have killed and destroyed many lives. While I am a father and have Rachmonis on these bocherim I also wonder why the parents did not have proper hasguche on their children. We are in the midst of an epidemic, we have so many bucherim on the streets with no direction. Perhaps it time for our Manhigim to wake up and start thinking about the klall.

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 May 01, 2009 at 12:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

And this goy who sent them is out for bail

The person who recruited them is the gabbai for the Satmar Rov in Israel....he is also going to jail. No one knows the identity of their contact in Holland who gave them the drugs. Who said he was a goy?

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 May 01, 2009 at 01:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

we should all boycott Japaneeses made cars and their items to show our protest!!!!

Why boycot Japanese cars? What did the Japanese do wrong? These boys smuggled drugs and got caught. Yes, one of their 'friends' talked them into it & they were not aware of the drugs, but did you expect them to get away scott free with a slap on the wrist ? Give me a break.
Of course we all feel for them and their innocence and stupidity but there are no free lunches out there.
They traveled first to Europe to pick up suitcases (with drugs hidden inside) then flew on to Japan. What were they thinking was inside the luggage? Candies that they supposed to take there?
The sentence is painful and they are to be pittied but the sentence is also reasonable by most standards .
Hashem Yerachem.

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 May 01, 2009 at 01:14 PM Anonymous Says:

re #123. therein lies the problem! you are the product of an intermarriage! your mother's side strayed from the derech when they went over to the other side for a shidduch.:)

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 May 01, 2009 at 01:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #131  
PMO Says:

You are wrong. These boys are not innocent. They knowingly committed antiquities fraud and were illegally smuggling items across international borders. They admitted to it. So right of the bat, your ridiculously emotional response is based on a lie.

You are correct that these boys need our tefilos and seyata dishmaya. They certainly do. Nobody denies that. But the punishment DOES fit the crime. You can find other stories of such smuggling where the sentences in other countries were even more harsh and there were no drugs involved.

These boys made a decision to be criminals. Yes, the crime they THOUGHT they were committing was minor, but they still decided to be criminals. The fact that their criminal co-conspirators played them for fools and hid drugs in the phony antiques is just par for the course when you join a criminal enterprise. When you lay down with a dog, you're going to get fleas. The fleas here turned out to be a large stash of narcotics.

As for your other foolish comment, I am an honest businessman, and I believe that MOST yirei shomayim are. I have never KNOWINGLY broken any law that I can think of, other than speeding or parking in the wrong place (for which I accept whatever the prescribed punishment is). I have turned down many opportunities to make more money by doing something "slightly illegal" or "somewhat unethical". The word KNOWINGLY is the issue here. Then KNEW they were doing something illegal. The fact that they did not know the potential consequences of their crime is their own foolish ignorance. Saying "I'm too dumb to understand that crimes have consequences": to a judge is not a defense... it is a pathetic declaration of your own stupidity.

These boys need to man-up and accept the punishment for their crimes. Hopefully their stupidity will serve as an example to others. Think of all the other bochurim who will steer clear of criminal activity as a result. Perhaps this should be a lesson to all the yeshivos that completely tune out the outside world. Bochurim need to know how to handle themselves in the world as well. That only comes from education. Somewhere along the way, the education became unimportant. I think its about time to put it back in its rightful place.

You a big tzadik but a big aam horetz according to the torah even kowingly a person is not chayev without hasoroh and before two witnesses. These young boys did not know what was in these packages. It is written that afrer a 120 years on this world he is judged in the world to come on how one judged othere may the one above have mercy on you.

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 May 01, 2009 at 12:20 PM Do NOT protest Says:

Reply to #40  
GO OUT AND PROTEST Says:

I think we should make a big protest outside the Japanese embassy!!!!!!!!!!!!



It would help!!

It might also have an adverse effect as it is in the japanese crooked and cold-blooded minds a just punishment if not a light punishment for a crim perpetuated on THEIR soil.

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 May 01, 2009 at 12:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #127  
Anonymous Says:

You are a very cruel person. I would say you never learnt and have no feeling for a fellow jew. Chazal tells us 'everyone who judges a fellow jew lkav zechus the Rebono shel Olam will be dan that person lkav zechus'. It would seem that you are so sure of yourself that you have no sins and you 100% pure. Let us hope that you are not ever brought to a nisoyon you will fail misrabelely. THESE BOYS ERE INNOCENT a man who'm they trusted asked tham to take a package & gave tham some extra spending money these boys come from very poor homes and the money they received seemed like a fortune to them. How many people would be able to be omed benisoyon when someone offers you a lucrative bussiness deal that may not be 100% within the law but you could make a lot of money do you YOU #45 would be able to withstand the test look at yourself closely.
these boys need out teffilos and seyata dishmaya that the Rebono shel olam should have mercy on them & on us.

You dear writer are GROSSLY MIS-INFORMED! They are guilty of transporting illegal substances. They knew they were transporting "antiques" illegelly. Stupidity or Ignorance does not make them NOT GUILTY. In this case there are no extenuating circumstances. The law in Japan as well as in most other countries including the USA & Israel for that matter says, if you are found with illegal contraband "drugs" or whatever you are guilty of posession and transporting. You may not comprehend this, however that is the fact.

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 May 01, 2009 at 04:33 PM To good to be true! Says:

I wonder if you would say the to free tickets being provided for travel to israel or breslov. Would you also say it's to good to true? After all, don't forget we are talking about young chasidish boys being offered a chance to travel to lizensk. Stop all this nonsense that they should of known.

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 May 01, 2009 at 04:24 PM Anonymous Says:

in response to #131
how dare you say that these poor bochurim deserve to sit there in jail. they got tricked into doing it how would you feel if you had to sit in jail even for an hour chas veshalom - don't judge till can put yourself in their shoes

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 May 01, 2009 at 05:00 PM chava p hornig Says:

Reply to #96  
Anonymous Says:

What possible connection could there be between tzniyus and pidyon shvuyim?

Before pesach Mrs. Goldstein, the mother of one of the 3 bochurim, spoke at an aseifah sponsored by bnos m'lochim in Boro Park and she specifically requested that every woman take upon herself to improve in one area of tznius as a zchus for the 3 bochurim. We filled out cards with our kabalah, she collected them and brought them to the kever of Rabi Shimon bar Yochai in Miron.

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 May 01, 2009 at 04:19 PM Anonymous Says:

someone mentioned that the man who sent them was not a goy but chassidish. in my mind someone who knowingly puts 3 innocent bochurim in such danger, and is now on bail is no chassidisher but is acting trully against yiddishkeit,

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 May 01, 2009 at 03:56 PM Realist Says:

Reply to #51  
duvi Says:

we sing dan l'kav zchus because we follow halacha., you clearly are not frum, you are a cruel person and dont show any concern about your fellow jew in suffering, and cynically mock the situation. I would not be suprised if your grandfather/father was a kapo because that would show why you have such a cruel attitude.

Duvy,
Part 2:
and according to you, in your disgusting comment above, if this guy's grandfather WAS a kapo, you have to be dan Him l'kaf z'chus!

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 May 01, 2009 at 03:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #91  
PMO Says:

For crying out loud... everyone should save their phony outrage over these boys.

They got in cahoots with a criminal. If these boys thought there was nothing wrong with the "antiques" they were transporting, why did they not tell anyone what they were doing or where they were going? Nobody knew where they were. They may not have known about the drugs, but from the level of secrecy it was pretty clear that they knew about the antiquities fraud (which is what I believe they admitted to).

Look... I will daven for them and their families, as I would for any "soft" criminal. However, these boys are still criminals and 5 years is a perfectly fair sentence for an international crime.

All you bleeding-heart liberals that think this is too harsh... or they got a raw deal because the Japanese are antisemites... really have this wrong. If an xian or a Muslim had come to Israel or the USA claiming the same thing, the punishment would have been much harsher.

PLEASE don't daven for them. They don't need YOUR help...

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 May 01, 2009 at 03:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #123  
anon Says:

hmmm let's see - one my mother's side I am descended from the Vilna Gaon and on my father's side I am descended from the Koznitz Chassidish dynasty. is that good enough for you? the truth is that unlike you, I do not still live in the European shtetl and UNLIKE YOU who probably get welfare and section 8 and G-d knows what else, I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for my actions and don't expect anything from the GOYISHE VELT JUST BECAUSE I AM JEWISH

Your grandfatheres the Gaon & the Koznitzer Maggid would not be proud of you

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 May 01, 2009 at 03:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #141  
Anonymous Says:

You dear writer are GROSSLY MIS-INFORMED! They are guilty of transporting illegal substances. They knew they were transporting "antiques" illegelly. Stupidity or Ignorance does not make them NOT GUILTY. In this case there are no extenuating circumstances. The law in Japan as well as in most other countries including the USA & Israel for that matter says, if you are found with illegal contraband "drugs" or whatever you are guilty of posession and transporting. You may not comprehend this, however that is the fact.

Just wondering did you ever do something illegal? From the sound of things I persume not.... Is your mitzvah performance up to par I do not think that writer #127 is misinformed just someone who would like to find good in people and find zechoosim in this hard time for these young naïve persons.

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 May 01, 2009 at 02:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

This is not the time or the place for this comment

why not?

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 May 01, 2009 at 02:23 PM kachke Says:

Reply to #51  
duvi Says:

we sing dan l'kav zchus because we follow halacha., you clearly are not frum, you are a cruel person and dont show any concern about your fellow jew in suffering, and cynically mock the situation. I would not be suprised if your grandfather/father was a kapo because that would show why you have such a cruel attitude.

Duvi,

where in shulchan aruch is this halacha? the gemara sanhedrin says story of resh lakish being choshed someone for violating shmita and meiri says that the halacha is you may be choshed someone that does something that seems wrong even though they may have a good explaination of why they realy didn't do something wrong!

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 May 01, 2009 at 02:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
anon Says:

these posts are sickening. they knew what they were doing and took the money they received very happily. there is no rachmana l'tztlan here. drugs kill people. drugs are illegal for a reason. how many lives could they have helped destroy by transporting these drugs? that ever occurred to them? THAT is the rachman l'tzltan here.

let 'em rot.

you people are so brainwashed.

You are not a yid. Yiddin are rachmonim bnei rachmonim. You must be from the erev rav. The three bochurim all passed polygraph tests. Even the Japanese are fully convinced that the bochurim had no idea they were carrying drugs! You make me sick!

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 May 02, 2009 at 05:58 PM anon Says:

Reply to #152  
Anonymous Says:

You are not a yid. Yiddin are rachmonim bnei rachmonim. You must be from the erev rav. The three bochurim all passed polygraph tests. Even the Japanese are fully convinced that the bochurim had no idea they were carrying drugs! You make me sick!

first of all, not knowing you are breaking a law is not a defense. I keep on getting attacked on my yichus, which is ridiculous. so I guess the son of a Ger who is a tzaddik, doesn't get to have an opinion because his ancestors weren't Jewish? wow- that's a really great Jewish attitude. that is what we learn in school, isn't it? to treat the Ger that way? oh, wait - it's the other way around. and anyhow, as I have stated before. My yichus is second to none and I can out yichus you any day of the week....so there.

you need to analyze your attitudes...not me.

I am tired of the rabbonim excusing criminal activity on a daily basis. It is destroying the moral fiber of yiddishkeit. what are our kids supposed to think when every single day someone in leadership is defending drug mules, child molesters, tax evaders, and violent actions by chareidim (mostly in Israel), rather than standing up against them.

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 May 02, 2009 at 09:31 PM moshe 2NY Says:

i heard this from the first source, the youngest boy was found guilty by the judge and was given 5-8 years. this 5-8 means that after 5 years they decide whether he is enough corrected and determine whethe he should be free or serve longer. Japan has a correction system unlike most other countries. The judge read out that he finds him guilty because ;
*during his interrogations he admitted that he suspected that he was carriying drugs, and he admitted that he knows what drugs are, and that when he he was offered a free round trip with pocket money to Japan he knew that he would be carrying something illegal like drugs.
*The defense team were unpersuasive.
*The boy studied in Jerusilem until 2 months before he travelled to Japan, and therefore the witnesses from bnei braq are useless.
*The defense team faild to counter argue any of the prosecuters arguments and were unconvincing.
and the list goes on...........
The boy served 392 days of which 266 days will be classed as served. Because he is a Juvinile he was given the benefit of a short sentence and 2/3 of his time served gets counted. Japans maximum sentence is 10 years for a juvinile but in most cases they get max 8 years, so he got the max sentence.
There was no mention about a transfer to Israel, this has nothing to do with the court he is being tried. If they appeal then there wont be a transfer for a very long time. They can only apply for a transfer when he's an inmate, so if he appeals the prisnor transfer wont be possible untill the outcome of the appeal.


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 May 02, 2009 at 09:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #48  
shlomo zalman Says:

We all pray for these young boys, but the tznius bit is nonsense. Leave the women alone, this did not happen because women don't have enough tznius.

Rigtht, it happened because of simple greed. Enough with the "innocent boys" already.

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 May 02, 2009 at 09:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
anon Says:

these posts are sickening. they knew what they were doing and took the money they received very happily. there is no rachmana l'tztlan here. drugs kill people. drugs are illegal for a reason. how many lives could they have helped destroy by transporting these drugs? that ever occurred to them? THAT is the rachman l'tzltan here.

let 'em rot.

you people are so brainwashed.

oh, you have evidence that they knew it was drugs? For shame

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 May 02, 2009 at 09:15 PM PMO Says:

Reply to #149  
Anonymous Says:

Just wondering did you ever do something illegal? From the sound of things I persume not.... Is your mitzvah performance up to par I do not think that writer #127 is misinformed just someone who would like to find good in people and find zechoosim in this hard time for these young naïve persons.

Why do people keep calling them "naive"? They are not naive. They are ignorant and stupid... by CHOICE!

When you choose to reject the outside world entirely, and refuse to understand its laws or its ways, you are IGNORANT and STUPID.

If you told me these boys were mentally challenged, I could believe the "Naive" label.

Stop making excuses for them... you make us ALL look as ignorant and stupid as they do.

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 May 02, 2009 at 09:09 PM PMO Says:

Reply to #143  
Anonymous Says:

in response to #131
how dare you say that these poor bochurim deserve to sit there in jail. they got tricked into doing it how would you feel if you had to sit in jail even for an hour chas veshalom - don't judge till can put yourself in their shoes

What planet do you live on? It must be a great utopia there!

How dare YOU be so ignorant and naive. These boys already admitted that they KNEW they were committing antiquities fraud, and admitted to transporting fraudulent items across international borders. The fact that they were too naive, or too stupid to understand that they could be punished for breaking the law is their own problem. THEY CHOSE to knowingly involve themselves in illegal activity. The fact that the criminals they CHOSE to work for double crossed them, is once again, their own stupidity.

You can't go before a judge, or anyone else, and claim innocence by saying "I'm innocent because I'm an uneducated imbecile who doesn't understand anything about the world I live in because I choose to be as ignorant as humanly possible about everything outside my beis medrash".

This is like saying "My partner told me I was only going to be robbing a grocery store... I didn't know until we got inside that it was a jewelry store... he tricked me... you should not charge me for the millions of $$$ I stole when I only went to steal thousands"

These boys got off LIGHT for what they did. The Japanese judge was more than fair. Drug mules are a problem everywhere and harsher punishments are needed. Here in the US they would have gotten a much harsher sentence in many places.

As for putting myself in their shoes, I'm not as stupid as they are. I would never agree to commit a crime like they did.

I will daven for their safety. I will daven that they should use their time in prison wisely. I will daven for the future of their families. But I will show them no sympathy.

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 May 02, 2009 at 10:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
anon Says:

these posts are sickening. they knew what they were doing and took the money they received very happily. there is no rachmana l'tztlan here. drugs kill people. drugs are illegal for a reason. how many lives could they have helped destroy by transporting these drugs? that ever occurred to them? THAT is the rachman l'tzltan here.

let 'em rot.

you people are so brainwashed.

Yes, they knew they were carrying something they should not, but they were told they were carrying "antiques" or something similar. Not drugs.

Sure, they were stupid. Either one is illegal. But antiques/paintings or whatever it was supposed to be, is not the same as drugs.

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 May 02, 2009 at 10:54 PM Tsvi Says:

Doesnt the man that gave them the drugs have any pitty on them and on their families. He should confess. These poor bochurim, their whole life is ruined, they will suffer so much!!! Why cant anybody do anything??? Tears are flowing down my eyes as I read this article!
Moshiach tzidkeinu bimheiro viemeinu!!!!!!!!!!!

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 May 02, 2009 at 11:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

Oh Gavald!! Hasham yaricheim!!

Feel better now?

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 May 02, 2009 at 11:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Hashem please help Says:

There aren't any words to express this pain. Lets continue to daven for miracles. Lets watch our language and in that zechus Mossiach will come and he will be released earlier. Hashem is capable of all miracles. Poor boy poor families. Hashem please help

Speaking of the poor famalies, can anyone explain how the parents of this minor allowed him to fly to Japan for such a stupid reason? Didn't they suspect anything was wrong?

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 May 02, 2009 at 11:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #45  
Harry Carey Says:

Enough crocodile tears for the Tokyo Three already. They were either incredibly stupid or they knowingly broke the law. This naive, innocent heimishe yeshiva bochur boba meiseh is just that. No normal person could believe that they were getting a free trip to eastern Europe via Japan - stam. When they get back to Israel finally they will get very good shiduchim because no kaleh's parents will believe the stupid option. They will believe they got caught while trying to outsmart the goyim - Japs at that. So they got caught, too bad, but they gave it a good try. What's wrong with fiddling with the goyim? And the choir sings: Dan L'kav Zchus.

They thought they were going on a tour of the route the Mir yeshiva bochrim took from Eastern Europe to Ey and America thru Japan and China.

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 May 02, 2009 at 11:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
GO OUT AND PROTEST Says:

I think we should make a big protest outside the Japanese embassy!!!!!!!!!!!!



It would help!!

Protest what? That they have strict drug laws and enforce them and refuse to follow the example of the USA and Western Europe and turn their society into a trash heap by relaxing the laws and letting every pervert do as he pleases with no one taking personal responsibility for anything?

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 May 02, 2009 at 11:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

How about just you , me and the rest of us just take it upon ourselves to daven with more kavanah. Just a little davening with some kavanah...Where soes tznius come into the picture ?

Sounds better for the mother to say that rather than 'please daven for my son. his parents let him do something really stupid".

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 May 02, 2009 at 11:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
anonymous Says:

Please don't write this. It's enough heartbreaking to here such terrible news. And by the way these bochurim are truly innocent and they are suffering for our sins.

Really??? Have you checked the records in bais din shel mailoh and know that they are suffering for our sins and not suffering for the sins of the mamzer who sent them and the sins of their parents who let them go?

(BTW, I think you have your religions confused. The thing about someone suffering for our sins sounds like something they say about that fellow on the cross.)

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 May 02, 2009 at 11:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #107  
Anonymous Says:

In the US, most of the time the judge will deduct from the sentence from when the person was jailed. In japan only from when a person gets indicted!

That is their law. If you don't like it, don't go there. Smuggle antiques into a more accomodating country.

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 May 03, 2009 at 07:59 AM Mother says Says:

Reply to #167  
Anonymous Says:

That is their law. If you don't like it, don't go there. Smuggle antiques into a more accomodating country.

After reading all the comments what comes to my mind is the following.
1- Our sons in all Yeshivos accross the board, Chassidish, Litvish, etc, need higher standards and goals set for them. It appears that it is not sufficicent for them just to be benk kvetchers. And since boys will be boys and have the need to see the world, examples as the young Holtzbergs who are willing to reach out to the far corners of the globe to assist Jews, help and befriend them and teach them derech hashem is the way to go. And since secular studies and work are no-nos the learning for the sake of learning appeal does not seem to cut it for many of these young people. Chabad seems to understand the nature of youth far more clearly. Most youth are willing to strive for a higher goal and a greater good. They need to be able to put into action the lofty ideals of learning. Parents must take a much more responsible role in understanding who their sons really are. It is the in way to be " A good learning boy" just to make a 'GOOD SHIDDACH'
2- Mothers need to speak out for the relase of Gilad Shalit who really is innocent.
His only crime was to protect our Jewish country.
3- It is ridiculous to tell women that for the sake of Tzniut they should 'STOP BRISK WALKING' that is TESHUVA?





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 May 02, 2009 at 11:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #115  
cool masmid Says:

With a mouth like yours... no-one is really going to listen to you - that includes Almighty. So what I suggest is , forget your davening - go and look in a mirror and then go and take a mussar sefer and try and change a few things about yourself, and again let others do the davening.

So you know who's tefilos the RBS"O accepts and who's not?

Can you find out if he is listening to mine so if he isn't I can sleep late?

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 May 03, 2009 at 10:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Herelle Says:

My understanding is they where arrested before pesach last year, this means they are jailed for a year and a Month or so, how is it possible they only served 266 Days?

there sentance only startes from the day the court case started

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