“ Another dangerous step in the Talibinazation of Judaism. (and another scary example of what would happen if these crazies ever got control of the the Israeli government.) I only hope the poor women have the courage, strength and support to standup to Mullah Yosef and his fatwahs. ”

“ Another dangerous step in the Talibinazation of Judaism. (and another scary example of what would happen if these crazies ever got control of the the Israeli government.) I only hope the poor women have the courage, strength and support to standup to Mullah Yosef and his fatwahs. ”

“ Another dangerous step in the Talibinazation of Judaism. (and another scary example of what would happen if these crazies ever got control of the the Israeli government.) I only hope the poor women have the courage, strength and support to standup to Mullah Yosef and his fatwahs. ”

“ who do you think you are to talk like that against Maran Rav Yosef and the torah. if that's the Halach that's what we do period. you better do Teshiva for thinking like that. you made a hugh chillul Hashem. ”

“ Are you crazy, are you at all jewish? Comparing thr torah law to talibanizim? ”

“ Are you crazy, are you at all jewish? Comparing thr torah law to talibanizim? ”

“ What are the women whining about? Every employer is entitled to enforce a dress code; you don't like it, leave and open your own business!
Since their posek requires scarves, and total coverage of hair, this is the example they wish to set to the children in their school ”

“ who do you think you are to talk like that against Maran Rav Yosef and the torah. if that's the Halach that's what we do period. you better do Teshiva for thinking like that. you made a hugh chillul Hashem. ”

“ Whats next?, It seems that Rabbi Ovadya loves contoversy. It it well accepted for Ashkenasic women to just wear a wig which covers all the hair verses a snood like the Seferdim with all the hair sticking out. So Rabbi please look into the matter urguntly with your blind eye sight. ”

“ who do you think you are to talk like that against Maran Rav Yosef and the torah. if that's the Halach that's what we do period. you better do Teshiva for thinking like that. you made a hugh chillul Hashem. ”

“ What are the women whining about? Every employer is entitled to enforce a dress code; you don't like it, leave and open your own business!
Since their posek requires scarves, and total coverage of hair, this is the example they wish to set to the children in their school ”

“ There is no daas torah that requires this extreme treatment of frumme women working in these institutions who rely on public funds and tzadakah from the wider community to survive. Without hurling insults at Rabbi Yosef (whose views are obviously out of synch with most of the other Gadolim in EY) he risks having this position reversed in the courts and incurring financial penalties if they illegally discharge women for failure to obey this mindless edict. Why don't they focus on the lack of midos and derech eretz among their men and bochurim on their T'znius squads who are truly Taliban like and frightening. They are a much greater threat to Klal Yisroel than a frumme woman who has a few hairs showing. ”

“ That is the Sephardic halacha, ladies. Don't like it, become Ashkenazi.
#2 How dare you refer to Maran Rav Ovadia that way. Only an Ashkenazia would say such a thing. It is not in the Sephardic middot to do so. YOU are the "poor" woman not I. Thinking so little of yourself and your husband. And what does he think of you? Are you treasured and respected as you should be? See my last paragraph. Beauty knows no age nor style of shmatas. It is in your spirit and soul or it isn't. And it is recognized more in modesty than in brazenness. Trust me, if I were single, a shidduch would not be a problem. So what are you really looking to prove by going naked, my modern Lady Godiva?

Honestlyfrum, Not being made up as we go. That's the halacha. If I were single could I go down King George without a blouse just cause I'm not married?Covering is a modesty issue not a respect during tefillah one.

I'm 62 and newly religious about 3 years. I wear head coverings all the time because I am married and still at my age have hair to die for. Which makes another point. Since it is so great and has been mistaken for a sheitle, when I was starting on the path, why should I pay thousands to wear someone else's. I'd rather wear a nice scarf and make a personal statement.
It is not the Taliban. Because of the above, I feel more free, not like a piece of meat walking, yes even at 62. Call it good genes. . And BTW, I agree with "What's with you," completely. ”

“ Another dangerous step in the Talibinazation of Judaism. (and another scary example of what would happen if these crazies ever got control of the the Israeli government.) I only hope the poor women have the courage, strength and support to standup to Mullah Yosef and his fatwahs. ”

“ "Please help us," she pleaded. "Have we become Iran? Are we like Hamas? This place is turning into Khomeinistan… we are merely women trying to work and support our Torah studying husbands, without getting involved in Shas' internal politics."

No this is Torah ! You need to rid yourself of your western definition of modesty and come back to the Torah definition of modesty! ”

“ What are the women whining about? Every employer is entitled to enforce a dress code; you don't like it, leave and open your own business!
Since their posek requires scarves, and total coverage of hair, this is the example they wish to set to the children in their school ”

“ These are female government workers, not workers in private businesses. I realize that Israel has no constitution and therefore makes the rules of law up as they go along, but it is scary to think that one can lose a job because they do not comply with some edict of a religious leader, be it a Chacham or an Ayitolah. Our Rabbanim should try to educate, give musar, plead and pray not force people to do something which does not harm society. ”

“ #28 mentioned that, "Our Rabbanim should try to educate, give musar, plead and pray not force people to do something which does not harm society.”

But it does harm society! Every little thing that we do has a hasboa on the surrounding society. In the states there is a city called 'SF' which has a lot of 'mishkav zachoornics' and the scientists noted that in that city, even the birds act in the same way!

So they are trying to protect society by enforcing these rules. They are not enforcing it on you or me, they are enforcing it amongst their workers, whoe should be teaching by example. Now if they go and protest, what is that teaching the students, co-workers, children, and the 'hamoin am'?

If they don't like it, find another place of employment! But to speak out against such a huge gadol batorah, and compare his sheetas to talibanization? That is a tremendous act of 'azus' and i daven that the aibishter will have rachmonos on the people that can speak such 'nivel peh'.

What will be when Moshiach comes? Will you also rebel when when the Borei Olam reveals Himself through the neviim, and tells us the halochos?

Because of such people He isn't letting Mashiach come. Wake up already! Such a shame...

"Toirah - ma tehei olayha"? ”

“ I agree there are other area he needs to focus on also. But that should not detract from dealing with this issue.
If he is Taliban, then we need more Taliban like him. ”

“ Ah.... new words to make fun of, and marginally the observant:

It used to be "fanatics"
now it became "Ultra-Orthodox"

and the latest "Taliban tactics"

Anyone who knows and understands the tactics of propaganda is aware of this.

All posters who use the above terms, do so with the intent of making the non-observent appear foolish, crazy, or over the top, in their observance. This way we can dismiss what they do.

It is a way to marginalize all observant Jews.

Bottom line is that we observe Torah, and the rules of our rabbonim.
That is what Judaisim is.

Yes, we have a situation today, with barely observant rabbis, ignorant rabbis, liberal rabbis, or ones who just need to be lenient because of their communities, go against the rulings of the holiest, and most learned of the recent generations.

We all know, (if you don't know this, it is because you don't want to know), that the vast majority of the frum rabbonim have taught us to cover a married woman's hair completely.
Some prefered a teechel, and every feels that is best.
Some allow a shaitel.
Chabad actually prefers the shaitel.
Some allow a snood.

But NONE have ever allowed a married woman to go out with her own hair exposed.

All agree that a married woman's hair must be fully covered.
Many prefer that even a shaitel be covered, at least partially.
Some object to long-haired "sexy looking" shaitlech.

This is not new. This is what we have been taught for generations.

However every time it is attempted to be be enforced, those Liberal factions of Mod Orth and others who were/are lenient on this shout out and want their liberal rabbi to be the one we all listen to.

The great tzadkim of the past, those who taught us and ruled for us, for generations, become "Taliban" or "Ultra Orthodox" people to ignore.

I remember as a bochur I was at a Kol Nidre drasha of one of the great tzadikim of the previous generations. And we cried out to everyone against those fancy shaitlech. He was against shaitlech which did not "look like a shaitel".... if the wig looked real enough to look like your own hair, he felt it was ossur!
And this is a Tzadik EVERYONE raved about how great he was.

But, here he may be called a Taliban! How sad. ”

“ Chassid, Ashkenazim are Ashkenazim and Sefardim are Sefardim. There are two halachot. So, with all the respect yo did not accord my Rav, we do not wear snoods with "all our hair sticking out." The only hair I see sticking out of any place is on Ashkenazia heads, at least here in Jerusalem. Occasionally, because we have imperfectly formed heads, a bit of the hairline will show at the edge of a scarf, hence the snood that covers ears even in 95º weather but this bit of flattened, pulled back hair is considered acceptable to most since it is not a style issue and not meant to enhance appearance.

Thank you ##6-7-9.

10, What about Ashkenazim? Consult your own rabbis but if you work in our schools please understand we want our children to learn OUR ways, in fact we are required to ensure they do so. An dyes unmarried women particular widows an divorcees are required to do so.
Do your virgin daughters go about topless? It's the same basis for the halacha. ”

“ With deep respect for your words and your commitment to frumkeit -- I've always found that the newly frum can be the most rigid and least compromising as they take on the burden of the mitzvot. A full yeshivah education/lifetime experience provides exposure to the complexity and sublety of halacha which its sometimes easy to miss at a first look. And calling an unmarried woman who doesn't want to be forced to cover her hair "brazen" is a little much. ”

“ The Jewish religion is about love to G-D not forcing human beings against their will!! ”

“ These are schools, where their job is to educate the children. Shas has every right to ask the the teachers to come in a way that would educate the children that that is the Halacha for Sepharadim. At home go how ever you want, but if you want to educate Sephardic children you must follow their rules. Can a Jew teach in a Christian school with a Magen David necklace? would you want a teacher wearing a cross in the class?
Rabbi Ovadia Yosef has shown time and again that he is not scared of any one and will say what he believes is right. That's a true Gadol!

The schools are funded by people who want it to follow the path of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef. He is not making this rule a secret . If any donor doesn't like it, he can stop donating. As for me. I will God Willing double my yearly donation to their schools
”

“ Whats next?, It seems that Rabbi Ovadya loves contoversy. It it well accepted for Ashkenasic women to just wear a wig which covers all the hair verses a snood like the Seferdim with all the hair sticking out. So Rabbi please look into the matter urguntly with your blind eye sight. ”

“ Whats next?, It seems that Rabbi Ovadya loves contoversy. It it well accepted for Ashkenasic women to just wear a wig which covers all the hair verses a snood like the Seferdim with all the hair sticking out. So Rabbi please look into the matter urguntly with your blind eye sight. ”

“ A very dangerous precedent, to say all the wig wearing women do not meet the halachic standard. The need for rabbis to keep adding more stringent rules/guidelines is a real shame and they should keep busy working on real issues/difficulties facing our community. it is a blessing that at the end of the day the prohibition of wig wearing will be accepted only by a minority of women (as with bullet proof stockings). ”

“ Chassid, Ashkenazim are Ashkenazim and Sefardim are Sefardim. There are two halachot. So, with all the respect yo did not accord my Rav, we do not wear snoods with "all our hair sticking out." The only hair I see sticking out of any place is on Ashkenazia heads, at least here in Jerusalem. Occasionally, because we have imperfectly formed heads, a bit of the hairline will show at the edge of a scarf, hence the snood that covers ears even in 95º weather but this bit of flattened, pulled back hair is considered acceptable to most since it is not a style issue and not meant to enhance appearance.

Thank you ##6-7-9.

10, What about Ashkenazim? Consult your own rabbis but if you work in our schools please understand we want our children to learn OUR ways, in fact we are required to ensure they do so. An dyes unmarried women particular widows an divorcees are required to do so.
Do your virgin daughters go about topless? It's the same basis for the halacha. ”

“ Another dangerous step in the Talibinazation of Judaism. (and another scary example of what would happen if these crazies ever got control of the the Israeli government.) I only hope the poor women have the courage, strength and support to standup to Mullah Yosef and his fatwahs. ”

“ As a matter of fact the Lubavitcher Rebbe stated that a wig is prefable since all the hair is covered while with scarves or hats it is possible for hair to end up showing. ”

“ This post is hysterically funny. I shouldn't show my onw hair but someone else's is ok? How does that work? ”

“ What are the women whining about? Every employer is entitled to enforce a dress code; you don't like it, leave and open your own business!
Since their posek requires scarves, and total coverage of hair, this is the example they wish to set to the children in their school ”

“ I have news for all of you out there. My father at the age of 96 just passed away. He had Smichas from the biggest gedolai hador, Yonasson Shteif, Pressburger Rebbe etc. and he told me... ladies listen up. The right way and what the Torah says is that THE HALACHA IS THAT A WOMEN MUST COVER HER HAIR! Covering hair does NOT MEAN COVERING HAIR WITH A "WIG" or another persons hair, or synthetic hair (whom are we fooling) covering hair means COVERING WITH A SCARF! and when Moshiach comes we will ALL COVER OUR HAIR THE "RIGHT" WAY WHICH IS A SCARF!! So prepare yourselves..... ”

“ Kol hakuvd to shas! hope all schools will do the same & musiac will come soon, by torh laws woman must be cover'd fully, MI KAMCU YISROEL ”

“ #48 Why so personal you could have made your point without the negative personal comments…

Wearing a wig was/is accepted halachicly no one can argue that point, and that will/should not change because a few gedollim have their opinion, .
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“ A SCARF DOES NOT COVER A WOMAN'S HAIR PROPERLY!!!!!!!!!!!! According to the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Z'TL, a wig is preferable because it ensures that no hair will fall out. I see women in public who wear scarves, and they always have to readjust their scarves due to their hair falling out. ”

“ that is untrue! women who takes the time and effort to put on a tichel properly can cover all of the hair. a soft cap must be worn underneath, this gathers all of the hair, and also keeps the tichel from slipping, and bobby pins further secure it place. those who you see with hair falling out usually tuck the cloth behind their ears. it is impossible to fully cover the hair without also covering part of or most of the ears, and if they would do this, hair would not escape. a properly worn tichel is definitely way more tzanua than a $3000 sheital that you have to scrutinize 3 time over in order to be sure that its a sheital. ”

“ and if another employer bans all head coverings and beards, that'll be okay? ”

“ NO he is not Taliban, but he is forcing his religion like the Taliban!! It's dangerous! ”

“ As a matter of fact the Lubavitcher Rebbe stated that a wig is prefable since all the hair is covered while with scarves or hats it is possible for hair to end up showing. ”

“ A very dangerous precedent, to say all the wig wearing women do not meet the halachic standard. The need for rabbis to keep adding more stringent rules/guidelines is a real shame and they should keep busy working on real issues/difficulties facing our community. it is a blessing that at the end of the day the prohibition of wig wearing will be accepted only by a minority of women (as with bullet proof stockings). ”

“ An employer is not entitled to enforce a dress code if the employer is trying to impose religious views on its employees. A publicly funded institution does not have the right to impose a religious dress code either. ”

“ A wig completely covers the hiar unlike scarves or snoods. Whenever I see women in my community who wear these things in public, I always see their hair falling out. Then they have to readjust them in public. Why doesn't Rav Yosef so this? Btw, Rav Mordechai Eliyahu's rebbetzin covers her hair with a wig, she is Sefardi. So is she going against Torah law, C'V? ”

“ What are the women whining about? Every employer is entitled to enforce a dress code; you don't like it, leave and open your own business!
Since their posek requires scarves, and total coverage of hair, this is the example they wish to set to the children in their school ”