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The Vatican claimed that its request was ostensibly made to conceal the fact that the Pope was being accompanied by an ambulance so his followers wouldn't think he was ill.
Nine years ago, during a previous Papal visit, a similar request prompted a High Court appeal against it, which was summarily dismissed.
When visiting other countries, the Pope has not requested that emergency vehicles remove their symbols.
Other reports claim that the Rabbi of the Kosel, Rav Shmuel Rabinowitz, requested the Pope not to take along his staff with a cross when visiting the Kosel. The Vatican is said to have agreed until it was leaked out to the press, after which the Pope said he would come with the staff.
Both the Vatican and the Foreign Ministry deny the above.
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May 07, 2009 at 08:01 PM Anonymous Says:
Why is this so newsworthy....they don't want people to think that the new pope has been taken ill while he travels in EY. I'm sure everyone will be screaming that the government is capitulating to the Vatican on all these issues and there is somthing wrong when he shows up to daven at the Kosel with his Tzelem but asks that the magen david come off the ambulance.
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May 07, 2009 at 07:59 PM esther Says:
hey pope bennie,we all know you just wanna make sure you don't anger the bnai yishmael.they might blow up something that belongs to you.
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May 07, 2009 at 07:59 PM Anonymous Says:
Maybe he should take of his yarmulkah at the kosel, to avoid it being confused as a jewish symbol!
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May 07, 2009 at 07:57 PM Gefilte Fish Says:
And these phonies agreed to this request??? what's next? will he ask ben gurion air port renamed to St. Patric Air port??? and he still has the chutzpah of coming with a cross to judaisms holiest place?
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May 07, 2009 at 07:54 PM Anonymous Says:
Should I take of my yarmilka also?
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May 07, 2009 at 09:44 PM Anonymous Says:
And after kneeling and giving in to the pope on every aspect, the Zionist will continue to sing "Lheyot Am Chofshi B'artzeinu"?? To Be Free In Our Own Land??. In my opinion, Israel showed complete submissiveness, how embarrassing! The Arabs are watching it very closely; Israel has shown that it kneels submissively!
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May 07, 2009 at 09:37 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Why is this so newsworthy....they don't want people to think that the new pope has been taken ill while he travels in EY. I'm sure everyone will be screaming that the government is capitulating to the Vatican on all these issues and there is somthing wrong when he shows up to daven at the Kosel with his Tzelem but asks that the magen david come off the ambulance. ”
U want to know why because when we asked him to take off his cross when he comes to the kotel he whined about it. And guess what the so called Jewish liberals anti smites said oh you cant ask a pope to remove his cross. You know all people that support Israeli are the same hypocrites it all speaks for it self including gay parade. Selling pork. Not keeping shabbat. Just read hertzels books and then tell me what's the problem. Zionniszem and satmar both have nothing to do with Judaism its a colt like jihadisim so its ok when the pope ym"s wants all letterings with Jewish symbols removed. I bet they gave into it like its ok for him not to take his cross.
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May 07, 2009 at 09:33 PM lys Says:
"Its request was ostensibly made to conceal the fact that the Pope was being accompanied by an ambulance." So when it has no magen dovid no one will realize it's an ambulance? Someone should find a better excuse for them next time.
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May 07, 2009 at 09:17 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Why is this so newsworthy....they don't want people to think that the new pope has been taken ill while he travels in EY. I'm sure everyone will be screaming that the government is capitulating to the Vatican on all these issues and there is somthing wrong when he shows up to daven at the Kosel with his Tzelem but asks that the magen david come off the ambulance. ”
Wow! Apparently you have an opinion before you read the facts. Quote; "When visiting other countries, the Pope has not requested that emergency vehicles remove their symbols" get your head straight!
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May 07, 2009 at 10:13 PM Anonymous Says:
They have never asked anyone else to remove their simbols
It is very simple we will take off ours if he takes off his.
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May 07, 2009 at 10:38 PM Anonymous Says:
What doesn't he just stay home and we'll send him a white van with no letterings on it... Anything else on the menu???? What a PIG...
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May 07, 2009 at 10:38 PM Anonymous Says:
If you don't like our ambulances, don't use it!
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May 07, 2009 at 10:35 PM if you ask us Says:
in our opinion, its just Mamish disgusting......who does this man thinks he is.....its our country, not his......why should we give in??? their should be a petition in Eretz Yisroel about not giving in........this man should do something in return........we as Yiddin know not to expect things back, but in this case, Definately yes
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May 07, 2009 at 10:34 PM Anonymous Says:
For a change the Israeli government are polite! That's the right way of handling the case. The pope is to big to argue and to fight about those stupid things.
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May 07, 2009 at 10:30 PM meira Kingberg Says:
What?????????? But riding from Hadassah Ein Kerem to the City Center yesterday I was greeted by posters of His Ugliness and worse, THE PAPAL FLAG hanging from lampposts all along the major routes? I will be a virtual prisoner of this Nazi for next week because of the changes in traffic. Monday and Tuesday will be the worst. I probably won't be able to leave the house. I expect a big earthquake sometime next week. G-d forbid.
Well al I can say is look up! Moshiach will be here soon.
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May 07, 2009 at 10:24 PM Anonymous Says:
i would like the kli beis hamikdash back. I want back all the seforim that were stolen from us over thousands of years. true and compete reparations should be made.
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May 08, 2009 at 03:28 AM Rochel Says:
Shaaaaaaaaaaame on this government, I would never imagine Israelis would be okay with doing this, this is unbelievable how pathetic this request is...
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May 08, 2009 at 01:58 AM Anonymous Says:
The pope should not be welcome to step foot in the Land of Israel! His place is the vatican - sit there!
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May 08, 2009 at 06:40 AM Anonymous Says:
So sad for us. Why do we feel we have to appease this Rasha (and that is what he is)? He wouldn't take off his cross at the Kotel. I wish our "leaders" would feel some Jewish pride.
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May 08, 2009 at 06:21 AM Anonymous Says:
This anti-semite pope will make it seem that it was a visit to Christian holy places, which are illegally occupied by some country.
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May 08, 2009 at 05:27 AM Eddie Says:
I hope ElAl also take their Mogan Dovid off their plane!!
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May 08, 2009 at 01:57 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Maybe he should take of his yarmulkah at the kosel, to avoid it being confused as a jewish symbol! ”
You know , De Bist Gerached, Let him honestly take off his Italian Kappel. It would be a great idea, but how do we get this messege to this Papalah
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May 08, 2009 at 01:16 AM tell him to stay home Says:
If the avi avos hatuma does not like the Magen Dovid on his ambulance then don't sent one with him. these hebrew speaking gentiles (as Rabbi Kahane, Z''TL referred to them) who run Israel have no backbone.
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May 08, 2009 at 01:10 AM Yaakovsladder Says:
I have a great idea, why don't we just tell the ambulance crew to stay away as well. That way if this Nazi needs medical attention then he won't have to suffer the indignity of having it be performed by Jews as well.
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May 07, 2009 at 11:56 PM Anonymous Says:
I see he is taking after Obama to remove symbols
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May 07, 2009 at 11:28 PM Mark Levin Says:
“ U want to know why because when we asked him to take off his cross when he comes to the kotel he whined about it. And guess what the so called Jewish liberals anti smites said oh you cant ask a pope to remove his cross. You know all people that support Israeli are the same hypocrites it all speaks for it self including gay parade. Selling pork. Not keeping shabbat. Just read hertzels books and then tell me what's the problem. Zionniszem and satmar both have nothing to do with Judaism its a colt like jihadisim so its ok when the pope ym"s wants all letterings with Jewish symbols removed. I bet they gave into it like its ok for him not to take his cross. ”
"Zionniszem and satmar both have nothing to do with Judaism its a colt like jihadisim"
1. you REALLY need to learn how to spell correctly. I have seen better spelling and grammar by satmar chasidim.
2. you are a real major horse's backside for having the chutzpa to put the 2 together in the same sentence.
Can someone please tell me what a baby horse has to do with anything here? Unless that's why this poster is being a horse's pitut.
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May 07, 2009 at 11:23 PM Mark Levin Says:
I would have told him to stay the you know what home! Maybe he will paygir before he gets to EY?
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May 07, 2009 at 11:20 PM PMO Says:
They should dis-invite the Pope. What a pompus, self-important jerk! Who is he to tell any country what to do? He wants to come EY, he should respect the culture and society of EY or DON'T COME. Who needs this antisemite anyway?
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May 07, 2009 at 11:13 PM Agmes Nefesh Says:
Netanyahu just started and already giving in When the president travels there is always an ambulance in the detail Did any president request the lettering to be removed? Let the Poipst bring his own ambulance.
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May 07, 2009 at 11:06 PM Anonymous Says:
“ i would like the kli beis hamikdash back. I want back all the seforim that were stolen from us over thousands of years. true and compete reparations should be made. ”
And is there anything else you want? EY is treating the Pope's visit as it would with any other head of state and accomodating his reasonable requests. When the President of EY visits the vatican, they accomodate his security needs in whatever form the authorities request so stop whining.
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May 07, 2009 at 11:04 PM Anonymous Says:
This makes me want to vomit.
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May 07, 2009 at 10:59 PM RESPECT Says:
The christian right are the best friends if israel and believe in not giving up any land. Lets hope the pope encorages this.
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May 08, 2009 at 07:22 AM YANKEL Says:
WHAT CHUTZPAH! Let the Pope remove the tzelem from his neck before he makes such requests. Unlike the tzelem (sometimes with a corpse mounted) I don't think a star can be offensive to anyone.
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May 08, 2009 at 07:12 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I hope ElAl also take their Mogan Dovid off their plane!! ”
doesn't he have his own Vatican One?
Why do Jews always have to bend over backwards to be the good guy? For what? Just wait, he'll make speeches praising the terrorists & attacking Israel even as he accepts Jewish hospitality. Let him do without a bloody ambulance if it bothers him so much. And if he does get ill...who cares? HE'S STILL A NAZI !!!
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May 08, 2009 at 07:51 AM Anonymous Says:
The ambulance should keep the Magen David since the Pope keeps his corpus. If he doesn't like it, go back to Rome.
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May 08, 2009 at 07:48 AM FAL Says:
Tell him to either just go to the arab countries and let them deal with his security OR simply stay home where he belongs.
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May 08, 2009 at 07:40 AM Conservative One Says:
I am certain that if this Nazi pope goes to Saudi Arabia and they demand (not ask) that he not bring his staff along when he goes to their holy places he will readily acquiesce. I srael should tell him to stay home or do it their way. The ambulance should not be retrofitted to accommodate this jerk.
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May 08, 2009 at 07:36 AM Anonymous Says:
who does he think he is, stay home if you don't like it its a jewish state. what would happen if some Rabbi would ask them to take down their crosses lehvdal. the pope is a piece of Garbage.
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May 08, 2009 at 07:54 AM gelt Says:
Its all about the money!!! Don't you get it? The christians tourists bring in billions of dollars to the tourism industry and the israeli economy after this putz visits israel millions more will follow realizing that it is safe now to go. Israel won't risk him cancelling his trip its all about the money
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May 08, 2009 at 08:50 AM Anonymous Says:
Do all Christians remove theire tzalems when visiting the Kosel? I doubt it. Still, they should not be giving into him, and the Vatican should pay for all expenses Israel incurs by this visit.
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May 08, 2009 at 09:06 AM Anonymous Says:
While I do agree that the Pope's request is a major Chutzpah, I don't believe Israel has much of a choice. It wouldn't take much to inflame the bigotry of Catholics found around the world. France, Spain, Brazil, Mexico etc are almost entirely Cathlic. There is nothing good to be gained, aside from pride, by not honoring this Galach's requests.
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May 08, 2009 at 09:02 AM Anonymous Says:
“ They should dis-invite the Pope. What a pompus, self-important jerk! Who is he to tell any country what to do? He wants to come EY, he should respect the culture and society of EY or DON'T COME. Who needs this antisemite anyway? ”
Why should he respect the culture of E.Y. if the majority of E.Y. residents do not, we must learn to lead by example!
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May 08, 2009 at 09:55 AM Allan Says:
I am by no means anti Catholic or anti Christian but this request if true is insane. The pope is visiting a Jewish country...nothing needs to be removed...period. Don't like don't come!
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May 08, 2009 at 10:17 AM Anonymous Says:
Maybe we should sing hatikva to welcome hom!
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May 08, 2009 at 09:49 AM snoodwearer Says:
What incredible arrongance. Wouldn't his holeyness Popus Pompous Benedictus prefer a Red Crescent ambulance from Lebanon? Tell him to bring along some alcohol to sterilize their unwashed instruments.
Do you all still think Rabbi Rabinowitz was going overboard with the tzelem thing? #6 has it right. Od nefesh yehudi homiyah.
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May 08, 2009 at 10:49 AM Anonymous Says:
Suddenly the israelies are so polite. Everyone remembers the story with the Kodesh from Mumbei Rav Teitelbowm when their family requested not to wrap his body with an israeli flag because of his / and their strict Torah opposition againt the government and how their request was cold blooded rejected. Why because these poor people didn't have the power the Pope has???? How shameful!!!
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May 08, 2009 at 11:18 AM Anonymous Says:
Suddenly the israelies are so polite. Everyone remembers the story with the Kodesh from Mumbei Rav Teitelbowm when their family requested not to wrap his body with an israeli flag because of his / and their strict Torah opposition againt the government and how their request was cold blooded rejected. Why because these poor people didn't have the power the Pope has???? How shameful!!!
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May 08, 2009 at 01:15 PM Avrohom Abba Says:
How would the Pope like it, if a great rabbi visisted the Vatican, and asked to have the cross removed from the Pope's limo, because the rabbi is offended by it?
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May 08, 2009 at 02:50 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Do all Christians remove theire tzalems when visiting the Kosel? I doubt it. Still, they should not be giving into him, and the Vatican should pay for all expenses Israel incurs by this visit. ”
They don't, and it's not practical to make them. But they're also not filmed and made a fuss of, and covered by the world media. So there's no comparison. The Pope should not be allowed to come to the kosel unless he removes or hides his cross. (Even then I'd rather keep him away, since he will pray to his avoda zara, not to Hashem. But that's not practical.)
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May 08, 2009 at 02:48 PM Milhouse Says:
“ doesn't he have his own Vatican One?
Why do Jews always have to bend over backwards to be the good guy? For what? Just wait, he'll make speeches praising the terrorists & attacking Israel even as he accepts Jewish hospitality. Let him do without a bloody ambulance if it bothers him so much. And if he does get ill...who cares? HE'S STILL A NAZI !!! ”
He is not a Nazi, and never was one. Stop being so ignorant. Or at least shut up so nobody knows how ignorant you are.
This is an unreasonable request and should be refused. In general he should not be made such a fuss of, and he shouldn't be welcome in Israel at all unless he acknowledges our right to the land that Hashem gave us. But that's all to do with his job, not his person. There's no reason to attack him in person. He's no worse than the last Pope.
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May 08, 2009 at 02:46 PM Milhouse Says:
“ The christian right are the best friends if israel and believe in not giving up any land. Lets hope the pope encorages this. ”
What has that got to do with the Pope???? If we want to cultivate the Xian right, we should throw the Pope out!
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May 08, 2009 at 02:45 PM Milhouse Says:
“ And is there anything else you want? EY is treating the Pope's visit as it would with any other head of state and accomodating his reasonable requests. When the President of EY visits the vatican, they accomodate his security needs in whatever form the authorities request so stop whining. ”
How is this a reasonable request?
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May 08, 2009 at 02:43 PM Milhouse Says:
“ This anti-semite pope will make it seem that it was a visit to Christian holy places, which are illegally occupied by some country. ”
Antisemite? What on earth makes you say that? He's actually a philosemite. That's not the issue.
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May 08, 2009 at 02:43 PM Milhouse Says:
“ So sad for us. Why do we feel we have to appease this Rasha (and that is what he is)? He wouldn't take off his cross at the Kotel. I wish our "leaders" would feel some Jewish pride. ”
He's not a rasha, at least not as a person. He's a good person, an intellectual, and a philosemite. He's oved avodah zarah, of course, but lots of good people are. The problem is his position: Avi Avos Hatum'oh.