Greenville, NC – Appointment Of First Female Black Rabbi Reignites Stark Division Between Orthodox And Reform Movement

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    Alysa Stanton, 45, will become the first African-American woman to be ordained as a rabbi next monthGreenville, NC – Growing up in a black, Pentecostal family in Cleveland, Alysa Stanton never imagined the day when she would be preparing to be ordained as a Jewish rabbi.

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    But that day will come June 6 for the single mother who will be ordained by the Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion in Cincinnati, becoming the first African-American female rabbi in the world.

    “Ten years ago, if someone said I was going to be a rabbi, I would have laughed,” Stanton, 45, told ABCnews.com. “Me, a spiritual leader?”

    Soon-to-be rabbi Stanton and her daughter Shana, 14, whom she adopted when she was 14 months old, will move to Greenville, N.C., in August, where Stanton will take her spot behind the pulpit at Congregation Bayt Shalom, which is both conservative and reform.

    First Female Black Rabbi
    Stanton, a reform Jew, said that her mother encouraged her to explore different religions as a young child and that, at the age of 9, she was already asking her priest to teach her about Kaballah, which focuses on the mystical aspect of Judaism.
    Then, at age 10, she received her first Hebrew grammar book from her devout Christian uncle who made it a habit to attend Jewish ceremonies, as well as his own. By her early 20s, Stanton said she’d decided to convert.

    “Most people convert because they’re marrying or dating someone who is Jewish or for another reason other than just picking that spiritual path,” Stanton said.

    “I did so because it was the path for me,” she said. “Not only from a religious standpoint but from an ethical and social and communal standpoint, it was important to me.”

    Stanton Garners Mixed Reaction from Jewish Community
    Twenty percent of the U.S. Jewish population, or about 1.2 million people, are diverse, meaning black, Asian, Latino or mixed race, according to the Institute for Jewish and Community Outreach in San Francisco.

    “What’s important here is not that this is the first black woman rabbi but rather that it’s a symbol of a great change in the American Jewish community, which is becoming much more diverse because of things like conversions, intermarriage and adoption,” said Jonathan Sarna, an expert on U.S. Judaism at Brandeis University in Boston.

    “That is a change that is really significant,” Sarna said. “That a community that even 50 years ago was rather monolithic, so much so that people thought they could look at someone and see if he ‘looked Jewish.’

    “This is a reminder that the chosen people, so to speak, is not one race or another race but are in fact a range of races,” he said. “While Jews remain united by a bond of peoplehood as well as religion, that bond is not characterized in racial terms.”

    But the Orthodox Jewish community, which has historically not permitted women to hold leadership roles in its congregations, is less accepting of Stanton’s upcoming ordination because of her sex.

    “My general feeling, as a rabbi, is that there is a great deal of room for everyone to have spiritual fulfillment in Judaism but the public role of a rabbi is only for certain people and that excludes women,” Orthodox Rabbi Gil Student of New York City told ABCNews.com. “That’s based on tradition and enshrined in law.”

    As for race, Student said that neither he nor the Orthodox Jewish community finds any problem with African-American Jews. “There is no such thing as skin color in Judaism, it doesn’t exist,” Student said.

    Shlomah Shamos, the chief editor of the popular New York Orthodox Jewish news site Vosizneias.com, said that as the reform and conservative movements continue to ordain female rabbis, the Orthodox Jewish community is finding it increasingly difficult to associate with them.

    Still, he added, “Orthodox Jews have the highest respect for women and they play the most important role to raise a true Torah Jewish family.”

    Michael Barondes, the president of the congregation in North Carolina where Stanton will work, said that he was pleasantly surprised that her hiring did not spark any controversy among congregants.

    “I’m very proud of my community,” Barondes said. “[Stanton’s being a woman or being black] never came up in conversation. Obviously, we all know that’s unusual but when she got on the pulpit during her visit, it was totally comfortable.”

    Converting to Judaism
    As for Stanton, she said that her family’s reaction to her conversion was ultimately positive, despite having a church pianist as a mother and a church choir director as a sister.

    “I think at first they thought, ‘OK, she’s going through a phase of exploration,'” Stanton said.

    When her family realized she was serious about Judaism, Stanton said they became “supportive” and “wonderful.”

    Before studying to become a rabbi, Stanton had a career as a psychotherapist in Denver, Colo., specializing in grief and trauma. A first responder after the Columbine High School shooting in 1999, Stanton said that her experience counseling and communicating will benefit her as the leader of a congregation.

    Asked whether she foresees any challenges in becoming the rabbi of a mostly-white congregation, Stanton said that she is not concerned about how her race may affect her career.

    “There’s an adjustment period for any rabbi when they go to a new congregation,” Stanton said. “I am not anticipating that race will be a factor in their adjustment.

    “My style and their style of worshipping will be the things we focus on, not the color of our skin.”

    Stanton still anticipates some challenges in her new position.

    “It’s difficult paving new ground,” she said. “It’s difficult being a first of anything, and although I’m honored and in awe that God has given me this responsibility, it’s one that I do not take lightly.”

    First Female Rabbi Offers Advice to First Black Female Rabbi
    Rabbi Sally Priesand knows all too well what it’s like to be a pioneer in the Jewish faith.

    Priesand became the first ordained female rabbi in the United States in 1974, a time when many members of the Jewish community reserved the role of a congregation leader only for men.

    “It is hard to be the first,” said Priesand, who retired in 2006 from the New Jersey congregation where she worked for 25 years. “I was well aware everyone would judge the concept of female rabbis by what I did.”

    Priesand said that she spent much of her last year in rabbinical school traveling the country so that people would see that “she was a human like everyone else,” a decision she said was important to gaining the trust and respect of her congregants.

    “Every time I preached a sermon or officiated a bar or bat mitvah for many people, it was the first time they had ever interacted with a female rabbi,” she said. “I knew that when they left that would be their opinion of a female rabbi.”

    When she was faced with people who believed she was filling a role that would be better suited for a man, Priesand said she learned to listen.

    “I had a rule that I would never argue with anyone who thought women shouldn’t be rabbis,” Priesand said. “I would listen and I would say, ‘Thank you so much for your opinion’ and I would walk away.”

    “I don’t believe you can really accomplish your goal by arguing, you just have to do it,” she said, “and then people judge you for who you are as a person.”

    Asked what advice she’d give Stanton, whom she plans to see ordained next month in Ohio, Priesand said, “Be yourself.”

    “When you’re the first of something, there’s a lot of notoriety that goes a long with that and it’s easy to lose your focus along the way,” she said.

    “When I was ordained, everyone thought that they knew what I should do and how I should dress and how I should be and I’m rather proud of the fact that I’ve always been able to be myself,” she said. “You cannot please everyone and so you have to be true to your own standards.”


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    Askupeh
    Askupeh
    14 years ago

    What did she study to become a Rabbi? She believes and is in awe of G-d so I suppose she is a Conservative Rabbi. At least she will be herself.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    whould stantana rabbi come to brooklyn to feer a tish?

    First non Jewish female black Rabbi
    First non Jewish female black Rabbi
    14 years ago

    Her Reform conversion is invalid. Even if it were valid, she would be disqualified as a Rabbi because she doesn’t practice Judaism (Reform is not Judaism) and because Orthodox law does not sanction women rabbis.

    The only thing she is missing is that she is not gay. If she were, she would be a perfect mismatch.

    yehudis
    yehudis
    14 years ago

    this temple is both conservative and reform!?! what else?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    If we would accept more women like her in our religion then the rate of anti-semitisem would be much lower.

    cincy jew
    cincy jew
    14 years ago

    she was “ordained”reformat hebrew uniom college, she actually converted modern orthodox and then decided she wanted to be a “rabbi”

    Milhouse
    Milhouse
    14 years ago

    The main reason she would not be welcome as an Orthodox rabbi isn’t even that she’s a woman but that she’s not Jewish. If she converted properly, and learned halacha properly, then she could pasken shaylos. She could even have one of those new titles R Avi Weiss is handing out. I personally see no reason she couldn’t be an assistant rabbi at an Orthodox shul. As for being the official shul-rov, being a woman is no more or less a barrier than being a ger; any shul that would hire her if she were male should have no extra problem just because she’s female. But all this is irrelevant since she shows no sign of interest in real Judaism. So long as she’s happy in her cult, and they’re happy with her, I’m happy for them both.

    As for her skin colour, that’s only an issue among reform and conservatives, who make a big deal out of it. In any Orthodox shul a properly qualified rabbi who happened to be black would be no issue at all.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    This is great.
    an african-american who loves judaism. learns about it. goes to a reform place. they tell her we will make you jewish. what a lie. its nice she wants to be jewish. her conversion is not kosher. so now we have a goy who loves judaism preeching to the jewish and non jewish people in a house of worship in south carolina. you realy cant call a reform or conservative place a shul. its not torah observant. maybe a jewish center. but how many other people in the pews of that center in south carolina had illigitimate conversions. and then their children are not jewish. we live in a crazy wolrd. does the reform movement know that it is bastardizing judaism? we have to educate our fellow jews in a respectful way. education is the key, or atleast one of them on a big keychain.

    and people think the medina is crazy. lets look in our own backyard.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    All the Orthodox Rabbis quoted talked about the woman part of it, but failed to mention the more pressing concern: she’s not even Jewish! There is no way her conversion is valid. Yes, woman rabbis are a problem, but the reform and conservative have been ordaining women for years, so that’s not big news; black rabbi is a bigger deal, but no reason for it to be controversial; but here, she’s not even a Jew, plain and simple! That’s the real issue here.

    PMO
    PMO
    14 years ago

    She says: “Ten years ago, if someone said I was going to be a rabbi, I would have laughed,”

    The ironic part is that we all laughed for a moment when we heard this story.

    However, it is really nothing to laugh at. This woman was taken from xianity under false pretense. I feel terrible for this poor woman. She has been lied to and tricked into something that she believes is actual Judaism. I don’t doubt her sencerity, or her commitment at all. It seems that she is completely and honestly devoted to this… not realizing it is all a sham. We, as yidden, have an obligation to gently and politely try to undo this desecration of Torah and halacha. If this woman really wants to be a yid, we should certainly embrace her and help her find her way to a life of Torah, otherwise she should be shown how she fell for a scam and helped back to her xian life.

    This is an outrageous embarrassment! I only hope that H” will guide this woman toward the truth and either help her find a real Torah life… or help her find her way out of this abomination.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Women of any religion belong at home with the kids/

    chaim
    chaim
    14 years ago

    #6 and if we abandoned the whole torah then there really wouldnt be any anti- semetism. see ohr hacahaim hak.. parshes lec lecah posuk ‘vegam es hagoy…..dan enoichy’

    Mottel
    Mottel
    14 years ago

    There’s no reason for reform not to accept a female ‘rabbi’, or a gay/lesbian pulpiteer or even a fine healthy goat as a spiritual leader, since they believe in nothing. They have no rules besides the social mores of the times.
    When the secular world will sanction bestial marriage so will their awful leaders, as a principle of human and animal rights.
    They may eat what they desire, marry what (sic) they desire, believe what they desire…as long as it makes them ‘feel comfortable’ and ‘in touch with their inner self’ and ‘feel empowered’ and of course ‘appreciate who they are as a person’. Faugh!
    All my bitterness is not towards our lost Jewish brethren ensnared by the reform poison, but towards the sickeningly fraudulent ‘leaders’ who knowingly and cold-bloodedly lead countless numbers of pure Jews into a black emptiness and beyond

    favel
    favel
    14 years ago

    #9 there is Alice Taylor who is a true ger tzadek( think her father is baptist priest?)she has a book out on her route to judaism..

    Avrohom Abba
    Avrohom Abba
    14 years ago

    First, I wish her happiness and satisfaction and love. Next, I strongly recommend to her that she go to an Orthodox rabbi and ask to be toiveled following the halachos for being a ger. When they notice her sincerity and conviction and her knowledge of the laws, she should be able to join our people easily.
    Next is, I hope she is accepted and that she helps many people who are in need of spiritual and emotional help.
    Because she comes from a background where discrimination probably clouded her entire life, and because she has chosen to join us, I want her to know that I feel she is very welcome, and that regardles of those labels of Reform or Conservative or Orthodox, she is still a fine and good person, and I wish her many good blessings and I support her efforts. In general, I support every Jew, and that means I don’t care if they are Reform or Conservative or Orthodox or Chasidic or other denominations and gay or not. My brothers and sisters are my brothers and sisters, period, and I will support every one of them and I love each and every one of us. However, unfortunately, I have a big problem with loving the Neturei Karta members because they knowingly try to hurt the feelings of the Jewish people.

    ETHNOCENTRIC
    ETHNOCENTRIC
    14 years ago

    us jews are losing our identity in america..we are taking to many people as converts…because it is politicly correct…in a few years even the anti-semites will not know who to hate!!!

    jw
    jw
    14 years ago

    if shes a rabbi who exactly is her rebbetzin??

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    “So long as she’s happy in her cult, and they’re happy with her, I’m happy for them both.”

    Reform is a cult but your fundamentalism isn’t. Pretty funny.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    There are other black rabbis who were converts. Rabbi Capers Funnye is a relative of Michelle Obama. Rabbi Natan Gamedze is an African prince who converted to Judaism and became an orthodox rabbi.

    http://www.aish.com/spirituality/odysseys/The_Royal_Jew_From_Swaziland.asp

    Blakesmom
    Blakesmom
    14 years ago

    No one has commented on the statistic quoted that 20% of US Jews are “diverse,” meaning black, Asian, etc. Maybe that is the case in San Francisco – I find it hard to believe for the overall US. And how many of those are truly halachically Jewish? Anyone know if this statistic is accurate?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Way to go, Reform!

    Far down the wrong path, that is . . . far away from us.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    The reform movement propogates the worst lies. Here we have an innocent woman who’s searching for Judaism and the reform sell her the Brooklyn Bridge.
    Who can imagine the agony that this woman will feel when she finds out that she’s been utterly deceived. Shame on the Reform movement for selling her this big lie.

    bertzel
    bertzel
    14 years ago

    #31 as pointed out in other VIN articles more that 50% reform are intermarried and as the mother is not jewish they’re not jewish

    5 Towns Resident
    5 Towns Resident
    14 years ago

    I have absolutely no problem with this lady becoming a Rabbi. Who knows, her devotion to Hashem may very well be a lot more genuine than those crooked, corrupt phonies in Boro Park and Williamsburg.

    And there is such a thing as “a pintele Yid.” Maybe one day her child will visit Israel or spend a year there and become frum.

    I would rather have a hundred of these Reform Rabbis than an “ousvorf” or those jerks in the Neturei Karta.

    anon
    anon
    14 years ago

    This beats Comedy Central!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    haha i love # 27 comment hilarious stuff!!!!!

    Aliza Hausman
    Aliza Hausman
    14 years ago

    Where to begin? As a convert (an Orthodox convert since we know someone of you stopped reading as soon as you read ‘convert’ and some of you stopped reading even when I included Orthodox), I am disgusted with some of the things I read that supposed ‘good frum yidden’ have written about converts. Is it any wonder that people aren’t running towards Orthodox Judaism in droves?

    As for the ugly things being said about other Jews…yes, because even if you don’t know how they practice Judaism, they are still Jewish, well…we’re certainly not going to interest them in our way of life by treating them like the gum that sticks to the sidewalk and gets stuck to our shoes. In fact, most of the disgusting posts here only prove the worst that is being said about Orthodox Jews in other circles.

    And for the stupid, closeminded, narrowminded things being said about people of other races, yes, including Jews of other races…I don’t even know what to say. Can I say that I am disgusted too many times? There are many Jews of color that are not converts. On a regular basis, we are treated like crap in the Jewish community (Reform, Conservative AND Orthodox). Excuse me, to sum this all up, is the point that Judaism is about learning how to hate people? I must have missed that in the conversion process.

    Perhaps, some of you should read MY blog and learn something. Not that I want you posting your disgusting little comments there, your disgusting little ANONYMOUS comments that you can’t even add your name to…because you know they are disgusting!

    berel
    berel
    14 years ago

    #41 where did you pick up this garbage? and what do you mean by ‘the drech they pursue’, is it the disregard of torah umitzvos, what derech is it ? the gemmorah , arvai psochim, even one is oiver one mitxvah is .mitzvah lisnoso because he brings choron af on yisroel.

    African Americans aren't the only Africans
    African Americans aren't the only Africans
    14 years ago

    There are many black rabbis. There are plenty of Yemenite and Sefardic Rabbis who are darker. Yet somehow they don’t matter because they weren’t brought to America on slave ships? Let’s give respect where it is deserved. Ashkenazim are white because that’s the area they lived, not because there is anything against black people.

    It’s only unfortunate that she got caught up in the trap of reform before she found real Judaism. Perhaps because Reform is so similar to the branch of protestant Christianity that she comes from, it was easy. With any luck, she will move up the ranks, convert conservative, orthodox, and one day look back and laugh at the emptiness of the reform movement.

    Moshiach's Chosid
    Moshiach's Chosid
    14 years ago

    We need to kindly explain to her that her conversion was invalid – since it is not Judaism itself it is “Reformed” and if she truly seeks Judaism she should go to orthodox Rabbi – he will handle her case properly since she does have some link and direction to/with Judaism. Meanwhile for her, she should be informed of the 7 Noahide laws for all gentiles. Moshiach NOW!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    tzi lange schvartz’e yorn!

    Daniel
    Daniel
    14 years ago

    It seems that most of the commentors on this forum don’t know what is a Jew.

    I recommend they learn the first chapters of Tanya.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I’m really surprised…so many of you are missing the point. She can’t be an orthodox Rabbi. I can’t be a Rabbi. We’re women! Al pi Halacha (do I really have to remind you men?) women cannot be Rabbis.

    Mind you, it is a shame. At least we’d have some “I know what you mean” & RESPECT, often sadly lacking, if women could pasken shailohs!

    this has nothing to do with Gerus. It has everything to do with Halacha. Othodox gerus or not, she will never be a Rabbi!

    Berl
    Berl
    14 years ago

    Now what that Temple needs is some gospel music and dancing in the aisles, . Perhaps the Ministers of the reform(deformed) religion can persuade Whoopi Goldberg (she has a good start she has a Jewish name so the conversion requirements will be a minimal) to become Chazzan, she sang well and organized teh choir in the movie where she played a witness hiding as a Nun.
    Black real Jews are not a chiddush, Crown Heights and Eretz Yisroel are full of them, in fact a Black African Prince Rav Natan Gamedze became a Ger Tzedek , learned in yeshiva is a musmach and very successful in Kiruv work.http://www.aish.com/spirituality/odysseys/The_Royal_Jew_From_Swaziland.asp
    Sadly this lady is no more novel or Jewish than Michelle Obama’s “rabbi” cousin Mr.Capers Funnye!
    OTOH she is no less of a “rabbi” than her reform and conservative male counterparts!

    Yoselle
    Yoselle
    14 years ago

    I would enjoy her Tish on shaboss. The music I guess would be soul, the beat would be jazz. It should be a pleasure listening to her vorts and mayses from zadikim. So does anybody know where she holds her Tishen?

    KRG
    KRG
    14 years ago

    A lot of disgusting, prejudicial & offensive comments about Reform Judaism from readers. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Practice your religion and leave us alone, if you don’t like us. We don’t talk badly about you for the ways you choose to worship – why do you need to constantly talk down on ours? Comments like these only tear the Jews as a whole apart, never bring them together. But I guess we’re not even Jewish, right? Go find some Christians to pick on, or some atheists. Leave Reform Jews alone -w e think you’re wacky, too. “Orthodox Jews have the highest respect for women and they play the most important role to raise a true Torah Jewish family.”??? Sounds exactly like the kind of chauvinistic, anti-feminism denomination I want to be associated with. Yuck.

    Rebbitzin
    Rebbitzin
    14 years ago

    Moshe married a black women, but she wasn’t called Rebbitzin. But then again, until Vashti, all the kings’ wives were not either called Malka.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I wish everyone would quit it with these “She’s not even Jewish” comments. She’s not ORTHODOX, is what you’re saying – and that’s fine. She clearly doesn’t WANT to be. Just because Orthodox Judaism refuses to accept Reform conversion doesn’t mean that her Reform conversion is not valid for her to be REFORM JEWISH. Who are the Orthodox to tell us what is and is not acceptable for our denomination? I’m sorry, did someone tell you you were the be-all and end-all of Judaism? Get over yourselves.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I feel so sorry for this woman. She has a deeply felt interest in Hashem and his Torah and she has followed a lie laid down by the Con/Reformers. The actual reality is that she is halachically non-Jewish leading a group of Jews and Gentiles.

    The fact that a big deal is made over her skin pigmentation by the people in the temple raises a question… did the temple hire her as clergy for her leadership or the fact that that they wanted to proove a point because she is the first black woman clergyperson in the Con/Reform movement. In other words to proove they are not racist against black women they davka hired a black woman as clergy. What about her leadership skills? learning? They just reduced this poor woman to the amount of pigmentation in her skin and her genitalia as a hiring prerequisite.

    Does anyone see the irony in this?

    KRG
    KRG
    14 years ago

    Also, Yoselle, I hope you realize how racist your comment is, even if you don’t intend for it to be. I wish Vos Iz Neias would screen this comments a little better and not allow such intolerance.

    berel
    berel
    14 years ago

    #62 you have to realize there are all kind s of people posting, smart not smart unlearned, intelligent in between as a whole collection of human beings are so if you are going to take all posting to heart you shouldnt read them you’ll have c’v heart failure. Remember, you probably have your circle of close good freinds rebbes ,rebbetzins to help guide you and those should be your examples, not what every tom dick or harry kook posts here

    jimmy37
    jimmy37
    14 years ago

    If you read the article carefully, you see the built-in bias that the media has for blacks and Jews. If this woman truly considers herself Jewish, she should no longer allow anyone to call her African-American. This is a code words used to describe past discrimination and provide an excuse for failure. Disregarding the validity of her conversion, she is either an American Jewish or Jewish American.

    Bulldog
    Bulldog
    14 years ago

    If you think orthodox Jews are not prejudiced against African Americans and Latinos, you are kidding yourselves. Tell that to the editor of this website because I have experienced this personally time and time again. It is about fear and class combined in realty. To the new rabbi, best wishes! Judaism can use more qualified people like her!

    berel
    berel
    14 years ago

    #82 we dont tell you how to conduct your &#82 16;religion&#82 21; just like we dont tell a christian&#82 30;if you have your own way of observing something its your own thing. the fundemantals of judaism is: belief of relavation on har sini, giving the torah written and oral which is expounded in shas S&#82 17;U.` Now, if youre jewish im sure somewhere down your lineage you had grand,or greatgrand parents who abided by this fundemental &#82 30;so who changed it for you ,was there a new relevation? no, it started with the the &#82 16;enlighten&#82 17; movement who rejected this priciple..actually it started with minior things but thats how things snowball, you mock a little hanhaga, mitzvah there is no boundaries..so please read the other posters here and other article (&#82 16;reform clergy rebukes rabbi lamm &#82 16;) &#82 30;reform movements dont belive in the existance of diety were not talking of an individual who might. So one day you&#82 17;ll decide baseball can be played with 4 innings, 5 players, 2 bases and its THE baseball game , my way of playing baseball.i dont know maybe you can do it but judaism is not like that .the gemmorah sanhedrin says even one says &#82 16;i believe in the whole torah is from sinai except for 1 letter&#82 17; he is considered a heretic so what should we consider the movements , Reform and down, who dont belive in this whole concept.

    berel
    berel
    14 years ago

    #90 please dont be silly , reform rabbis say the wohle torah is not binding , dietary laws a mockery, tahares hamishpachs,shabbos etc, etc.so thats what the issue is , not just parentel lineage

    berel
    berel
    14 years ago

    #82 ..remember g-d didnt mention on har sinai a choice menu &#82 16;i have an orthodox band, reform brand, conservetive brand, christian brand, reconstructionist brand. just choose what ever you like and feel comfortable with and everything will be fine and dandy.

    shmuel
    shmuel
    14 years ago

    #97 milhouse , ‘sefosayim yishak mayshiv devorim nechoinim’ you really say it the way it is..so even we fought regarding ball, shabbos food.. ‘es vohav beseseefo’ regarding moshe rabbainu’s tziporah being black, see even ezra there ‘kushish usually refers to ethiopia whaerehe was 40 years (mayum loaz) i mean where was between 18(?) to 80 years

    berel
    berel
    14 years ago

    to all gerim, you have a special neshame…the gemorah ketubes (?) ‘ger shnisgayer kekuten shenolad’ a convert is like a newborn. the alshech hakodosh (parshes kedoshim 19 posuk 33 {page 141 row 1,in the 5 chlakim print} ) explains why ,ill go directly to english translation ‘when he converts he gets from heaven a new soul from under the ‘wings of the shechina’!! his loshon ‘….mitachas kanfei hashechina, nimtza shehu noled mamesh’ pile piloim!, like the magid of yerushualayim, ztvk’l,would say.

    berel
    berel
    14 years ago

    #90 ..”the sad truth..’ well its the ‘truth’ about other mitzvos , dont alot of people talk lashan horah, say a little lie here and there, dont bench sometime with kavanah etc..so thats the constant battle with the yetzer horah, so what are you trying to say, nobody should convert?

    chaim
    chaim
    14 years ago

    #109 what your saying is ridiculous..its one the the retorts thats abi gret…mihagim , different levish, eating or not eating kneidel on pesach, in not the same as rejecting the principle stated in #91 ..some will be meikel what other are machmir (if he has a ehrliche yirai shomayim rov to rely on). satmar doesnt say if your with zionist youll go to hell this yelling back and forth is abi geret, out of heated debate .MO is a shtikel problem they have what we undersatand is assur deoirisae..mixed swimming, besides gilu aroious, what about histaklus and other issurim it causes, there are a few other things, ladies wearing pants,yes youll find a heter ..its special for ladies …wonder why the holy tzaddinim of all chlakim in all generations didt use this heter…and psaht is they wear pants, not beause they learned ‘even ezer’ and found a heter, no, the pants is worn becuse of al ‘little’ assimilation ..and when it was pointed out ,oh, someone managed to find a ‘bach’ Chassidim go in this levish because of ‘lo shinu malbushom’..whats your excuse? ok, you say your going among goyim, your afraid, but who is observing ‘toras imaycha’ more ? . of course there are different madreigos in avoda hashem and a holy tzaddik is ‘more holier than thou’ then a marginal orthodox and so is everything in between. but the yesod ,the fundemetal of judaism they believe and if some have sefeikos on that its called ‘hirrur minos’