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Jerusalem - Deputy Health Minister Litzman, Rabbis to Intervene Between United Hatzala and MDA

Published on:   Jun 04, 2009 at 11:33 AM
News Source: VIN News By Ezra Reichman
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Jerusalem - In the past months, Israel's Magen David Adom emergency medical organization which parallels the Red Cross, has sent one message after another that it wants to stop cooperating with the two large Hatzala organization -- Hatzala Gush Dan and United Hatzala.

Hatzala says that MDA is motivated by ego and financial issues. Whereas MDA used to be the premier medical emergency treatment body, today it is outflanked by hatzala volunteers who 9 times out of 10 reach the injured and hurt before MDA. When the economy was flourishing, MDA didn't mind and there was plenty of donations for all. Now that the economy has shrunk, and former donors are reevaluating to whom to send their money, MDA decided to push away other contenders.

"MDA cannot live alone on government funding or its bloated fees for transporting the injured in their ambulances," says an source involved in medical issues. "They have to fundraise abroad. When donors see the volunteer organizations always arriving first, the flow of donations drops accordingly."

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It seems that MDA has the upper hand. It has a government monopoly of emergency medical services, only its ambulances can sound sirens and bypass traffic laws on their way to an emergency, they are deployed all over the country and they have the largest para-medical training facility in the country. They control the emergency phone number 101 to which people instinctively call in any medical emergency. Their beeper system has no peers besides the Israel Defense Forces.

It is the latter which MDA has just turned into a weapon against the Hatzala organizations: they are threatening to refuse to give them beepers which alert them to emergencies. Without the beepers, Hatzala workers are in the dark and can't do a thing. Never mind that many more people will die.

Instead of sitting back and taking it, Hatzala has mounted an offense at MDA, knowing that it has several powerful cards in their hand. Two of these cards are Deputy Health Minister Rabbi Yaakov Litzman, whose assistance MDA needs like air to breath, and the other one is MK Moshe Gafni, the chairman of the Financial Committee, who can hold up funds and a recovery plan. MDA suffers from constant deficits despite various recovery plans it promises to keep after getting funds at the expense of the taxpayer.

The two Hatzala groups have already been in touch with the two MKs. They met with Rav Gafni several times, a feat particularly easy to arrange, because his present spokesman was the former spokesman of Ichud Hatzala.

When they met with Litzman in his office, the two Hatzala groups were told he would give backing to them if they would first end their squabbling and come to terms with each other. "I am willing to go with full strength only if I know that you are working together for the joint goal," he warned them. "Remember that this concerns saving lives so you have to do it. Rise above your narrow interests."

The suggestion was made to establish a rabbinic committee that both would adhere to that contained members from different sectors of the community. The senior members of the two organizations -- who in past years have only had contact with each other in courts and batei din -- found themselves peacefully sitting together at one table and speaking in conciliating tones.

Hatzala's aim might not be making peace with MDA. In a recent meeting between United Hatzala and Maalos Hatorah rosh yeshiva Rav Shmuel Auerbach concerning possible ways of resolving the crisis, Rav Auerbach suggested the time had come for the final rend between Hatzala and MDA. He said that United Hatzala should consider founding an alternative organization to MDA.

One possibility that has come up is for Hatzala to join Natali, an organization that competes with MDA in several areas. Natalie recently won an Education Ministry tender to give emergency services to students in school that include vacating them to hospitals or HMOs.

One of the heads of United Hatzala says, "If we put our volunteers at the service of Natali, we can make an organization that will compete with MDA as equals."

Eli Beer, the founder of United Hatzala, said, "We're checking all options right now. I believe that within a few days, after meeting with gedolei Torah and our morei-hora'ah, we'll reach a solution."

Beer emphasizes that every step which his organization takes is coordinated with the rabbonim who guide the organization. "We deal with over 100,000 cases a year. Gedolei yisroel want us to be the leading organization in Israel that saves lives."

In the meantime, the two Hatzala organizations are planning a major meeting in the Heichal Shlomo hall in Petach Tikva, at which will appear leading rabbonim such as Rav Nissim Karelitz and Rav A. L. Steinman. Pressure has already been exerted against participation in the gathering and threats were even made to remove beepers from volunteers that participate.

Will MDA draw the conclusions that now is not a good time to start up with the chareidi community? Time will tell.


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 Jun 04, 2009 at 12:58 PM Anonymous Says:

I'm surprised they didn't accuse Hatzolah Israel of causing the whole bad economy thing!

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 01:16 PM Anonymous Says:

"Beer emphasizes that every step which Hatzala takes is coordinated with the rabbonim who guide the organization"

This is the real issue and needs to change. We want professional emergency and medical people "guiding" the organization, NOT rabbonim. Its bad enough we have political hacks without any expertise in public health matters heading the Ministry of Health. G-d forbid that the emergency services will also be run by rabbonim. ("Sorry, but I have to call my rebbe to get advice on whether I can transport you to the hospital since its almost zman mincha, or the hospital does meet rabbinical standards").

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 01:56 PM me Says:

Can an article be even more one sided than this?
I doubt it.

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 01:44 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

"Beer emphasizes that every step which Hatzala takes is coordinated with the rabbonim who guide the organization"

This is the real issue and needs to change. We want professional emergency and medical people "guiding" the organization, NOT rabbonim. Its bad enough we have political hacks without any expertise in public health matters heading the Ministry of Health. G-d forbid that the emergency services will also be run by rabbonim. ("Sorry, but I have to call my rebbe to get advice on whether I can transport you to the hospital since its almost zman mincha, or the hospital does meet rabbinical standards").

We are Jews, and for us halacha rules EVERYTHING.

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 01:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

"Beer emphasizes that every step which Hatzala takes is coordinated with the rabbonim who guide the organization"

This is the real issue and needs to change. We want professional emergency and medical people "guiding" the organization, NOT rabbonim. Its bad enough we have political hacks without any expertise in public health matters heading the Ministry of Health. G-d forbid that the emergency services will also be run by rabbonim. ("Sorry, but I have to call my rebbe to get advice on whether I can transport you to the hospital since its almost zman mincha, or the hospital does meet rabbinical standards").

Sorry but every aspect of a yids life is run by rabonim even which concerts you can go and which city you can drink the water

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 03:06 PM SimchaB Says:

#2, you are either an apikores or a fool or both. All Hatzoloh policies are set in advance, not in the middle of an emergency, how idiotic can you be?

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 03:02 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Sorry but every aspect of a yids life is run by rabonim even which concerts you can go and which city you can drink the water

What kind of nareshkeit are you spreading. If you call your rav every time you take a business trip to another city to poskin whether you can "drink that city's water", I suspect you rav has done a real con job on you or you are smoking somthing. I can understand the concert scam since I remember some of the so called gadolim last year were deceived into signing a letter against a LIPA concert where it turned out afterwards they had not even read the letter.

Should we consult with rabonim on important issues, certainly but we cannot live our lives constantly asking for psaks on the obvious.

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 02:57 PM Anonymous Says:

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Milhouse Says:

We are Jews, and for us halacha rules EVERYTHING.

Yes, but even the most frumme yid would have the sechel to rely upon real experts in life/death and emergency situations. Its one thing for the rabbonim to advise Hatzala regarding the respect to be accorded a body that has niftar; its total insanity to have rabbonin "guiding" every step of emergency services. I respect your comittment to daas torah but totally disagree with you on this one.

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 03:49 PM Anonymous Says:

This is a one sided article filled with inaccuracies. It also assumes that Hatzolah and the Rabbonim are all honest and pure. MDA is better trained, better equipped and maintains far higher standards and protocols than Hatzolah. In fact, the Hatzolah organizations have frequently behaved improperly, fought with one another like dogs going after the same bone and may have even misappropriated funds - and I need not remind you of the many questionable acts of Rabbonim who, after all, are merely men. You also should be nicer about Apikorsim - some of my best friends are Apikorsim. What is this about drinking water? Perhaps some of us have become stupid, following blindly and obediently instead of using our study-sharpened minds to think for ourselves.

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 05:33 PM Make peace Says:

Work together instead of splintering off to make another organization.

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 05:18 PM NYer Says:

Sounds like NY Hatzala politics to me!

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 07:58 PM hatzolah ny Says:

Being a Hatzolah member myself, I think Hatzolah Israel should transport like in the states. MDA is not better trained as the Hatzolah training is the same. Just a few points about MDA that I saw first hand in Israel.
1. They are the same as local EMS ie- delayed response no First Responder direct.
2. At some stations were there is only a Nahag Ambulance and no one volunteering they will transport solo with no MDA personel in the back with the patient. I couldnt believe it only after I saw it.
3. The funds of MDA are not so clear where the go. A few years ago freinds of MDA in Chul thretend to stop sending money untill they become transparent.
4. Hatzolah should transport like in the US, UK, SA, Swiss,Canada and many more.
5. Hatzolah - GET YOUR OWN PHONE NUMBER! Then you wont need MDA's beepers. OK so you wont get every job in the whole Israel , youll still get plenty.
I wish MDA good luck and Hatzolah good luck to Tx pt.

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 07:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What kind of nareshkeit are you spreading. If you call your rav every time you take a business trip to another city to poskin whether you can "drink that city's water", I suspect you rav has done a real con job on you or you are smoking somthing. I can understand the concert scam since I remember some of the so called gadolim last year were deceived into signing a letter against a LIPA concert where it turned out afterwards they had not even read the letter.

Should we consult with rabonim on important issues, certainly but we cannot live our lives constantly asking for psaks on the obvious.

Sorry, but to a truly torah-believing jew, every detail of their life is subject to strict analysis of it halachic implications. I call my rav (who is also my personal posek) at least 2-3 times a week to ask about what you might consider trivia but thats what yiddeshkeit is about trivia that is important to hashem

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 07:30 PM Simcha Says:

#9, It's quite obvious that you have been influenced by your friends. I'm not familiar with Hatzoloh in EY, I'm just responding to how some bloggers were referring to the Rabonim. And what questionable acts by Gedolei HaRabonim are you talking about?

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 06:41 PM Mashgiach Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

"Beer emphasizes that every step which Hatzala takes is coordinated with the rabbonim who guide the organization"

This is the real issue and needs to change. We want professional emergency and medical people "guiding" the organization, NOT rabbonim. Its bad enough we have political hacks without any expertise in public health matters heading the Ministry of Health. G-d forbid that the emergency services will also be run by rabbonim. ("Sorry, but I have to call my rebbe to get advice on whether I can transport you to the hospital since its almost zman mincha, or the hospital does meet rabbinical standards").

Reply to #2&8, there is a famous story with the chazon ish, someone came to him in the middle of brain surgery the doctors didnt know how to continue. The chazon ish took a paper and drew diagrams of the brain with instructions to the surgeon how to complete operation, the chazon ish never learned medical books etc, gedolim get all info about EVERYTHING from the torah. Dont be apikorsim

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 08:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

Sorry, but to a truly torah-believing jew, every detail of their life is subject to strict analysis of it halachic implications. I call my rav (who is also my personal posek) at least 2-3 times a week to ask about what you might consider trivia but thats what yiddeshkeit is about trivia that is important to hashem

Most of us do not consider halacha "trivia" but maybe that what they are teaching today in the moderneshe yeshivot.

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 Jun 04, 2009 at 08:25 PM Medic Says:

Reply to #4  
Milhouse Says:

We are Jews, and for us halacha rules EVERYTHING.

True. But does this mean that Rabbonim should be running the day-to-day operations? Torah and halacha rules what we do. But having a a never-ending dispute with neither side willing to yield is not solved by Rabbonim on a committee.

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 Jun 05, 2009 at 02:52 AM PulpitRabbi Says:

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Mashgiach Says:

Reply to #2&8, there is a famous story with the chazon ish, someone came to him in the middle of brain surgery the doctors didnt know how to continue. The chazon ish took a paper and drew diagrams of the brain with instructions to the surgeon how to complete operation, the chazon ish never learned medical books etc, gedolim get all info about EVERYTHING from the torah. Dont be apikorsim

The story with the Chazon Ish expending medical advice seems to be correct, except that according to people close to him, he didn't gather the knowledge from hilchois treifois, but from reading medical journals, in German. And he was NOT reading them only in the toilet.

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