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Officers were pelted with rocks Photo: Gil YohananJerusalem - Israeli police fired water cannons at thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem who threw stones in protest on Saturday against the opening of a public parking lot they see as a violation of religious law.
Micky Rosenfeld, a police spokesman, said six officers were injured by stones and some protesters were arrested in the scuffles that erupted at the Israeli city hall building.
The violence flared when hundreds of ultra-Orthodox Jews wearing traditional all-black or all-white garb of their particular sects threw rocks and empty bottles at police to shouts of “Shabbat,” and tried to break into a parking lot beneath the city hall building officials had recently decided to open on the sabbath, a day most public buildings are closed.
Protesters “surrounded the building and were trying to break in from several directions” when police stopped them, Rosenfeld said. Demonstrators responded by hurling rocks and feces-loaded diapers at the police, and hundreds more joined in confrontations that erupted in several other Jerusalem neighbourhoods, Rosenfeld said.
Ten demonstrators and a young stone-thrower were arrested and six officers were injured by stones five of them were treated by paramedics on the scene but one officer was hurt in the head by a stone and was taken to Hadassah Ein Kerem for treatment.
The protestors carried out their leaders’ vow to fight against free parking, which they fear will lead to widespread desecration of the Sabbath. Mayor Nir Barkat has directed the city parking lots which is about 500 yards from Mea Shearim, to be available for free parking in order to encourage tourism.
Mounted reinforcements called in Photo: Gil YohananIn the last few years all parking lots near the Old City would close on the weekends due to haredi pressure, but recently, after it has been decide to bar vehicles from entering the Old City itself on weekends, a parking solution for the visitors became a more pressing problem.
Lacking designated parking spots, many drivers leave their cars on no parking roads around the Old City and the traffic problems this causes made the municipality decide to reopen the parking lots.
The parking lot was supposed to be opened by Druse employees who would serve as Shabbes Goys already last week, but police asked the municipality to delay its opening because of the Holiday of Shavuot.
The municipality decided that the parking lot will be opened on Saturday mornings and be free of charge until Shabbat goes out, approximately at 8 p.m. during the summer months.
United Torah Judaism members on the city council did not protest the move, after the mayor assured them that the parking lot would not be operated by Jews and that no money would change hands on Saturdays.
But Haredi communities not represented at the council denounced the decision, and on Friday Barkat visited the home of Jerusalem’s hareidi-religious community leader Rabbi Yitzhak Tuvia Weiss, in an attempt to cool tensions and prevent the protests.
The sides were making progress until the meeting broke down, according to Haredi sources. Rabbi Weiss, threatened “to burn the city” and reportedly vowed to lead the protest personally. The rabbi’s threat broke up the meeting.
Fliers posted in Mea She’arim on Friday read: “Prepare for a battle for Jerusalem.”
The parking lot was open today only for a few hours, before being shut down by police ahead of the protests.
The violence began towards the end of the Sabbath as the protestors reached Safra Square, where City Hall is located, and police tried to prevent them from continuing to area’s plaza. Protesters also rallied in Haredi neighborhoods around the city, torching dumpsters.
Protestors charged that the police used unreasonable force against them, but law enforcement officials said that fire hoses were employed in order to disperse stone throwers, who injured several policemen.
Meanwhile, a small secular counter-protest of several dozen students from the Meretz party and the Jerusalem Awakening movement staged a counter-demonstration nearby, they had placards that read “This is not Teheran,” and “The haredim have no shame.” They were met by shouts of “Shabbes” and “Those who defile her shall be put to death.”
Barkat’s office denounced the violent demonstration. “The parking lot was opened in consultation with all sectors of the public, including the haredim, without the desecration of the Shabbat in order to solve the lack of parking in the city,” Barkat spokesman Evyatar Elad said late Saturday, in a statement.
Speaking as the police were still dispersing small localized protests, Barkat said the dispute over the parking lot had brought conflicts over Shabbat back to the streets, and that the parking lot would be opened on Saturdays.
“It will be opened every Saturday. We stand behind the decision,” Barkat’s spokesman said.
In the meantime, Jerusalem police were planning to hold talks with haredi leaders in the city as well as the mayor to prevent further Shabbat protests.
Jerusalem Police Chief Cmdr. Aharon Franco called the haredi demonstration, whose size and force caught police by surprise, “brutal and severe.”
But a protest organizer said that they would “ignite the city” and “do everything we can to prevent the opening of the parking lot.”
The Orthodox Jewish community makes up about one-third of Jerusalem’s 750,000 population.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:01 PM heilig Says:Report as Inappropriate
garantee they did not get their instructions from daas torah you protest peacefully and be heard what the gaass is waiting for is to call us extremists and other names that are not descriptions of frum yidden
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:02 PM a reader Says:Report as Inappropriate
sick!! last i checked it was ossur to cause someone to bleed on shabbos (as these protesters did by throwing rocks at the police).
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:12 PM hello!! Says:Report as Inappropriate
By the way number 1 and number 2!!! Reb eliyoshev said erev shobus that everyone should go to be MOICHEH on the chilul shobus....also the GOVED said that we r supposed to go....so who are you to say that it is wrong??
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:20 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Give them all hell those police deserve it!!!!!!!
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:19 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Mi kiamcha yisroel who defend shabbos at all costs
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:15 PM Dovid Says:Report as Inappropriate
Is it allowed to throw stones on shabbos? i guess shmirat shabbos is just for others. they also caused chillul shabbos for the police. Real frum and real smart
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:13 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ sick!! last i checked it was ossur to cause someone to bleed on shabbos (as these protesters did by throwing rocks at the police). ”
torching? flagrant chillul shabbos there too.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:09 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
wow !!
so by making a protest way more chillul shabbos was done!!!!!!!!!
this is not to belive!!!!
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:15 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Since when are you allowed to throw rocks on Shabbos?
Isn't chillul shabbos as opening a parking lot?
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:23 PM heilg Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ By the way number 1 and number 2!!! Reb eliyoshev said erev shobus that everyone should go to be MOICHEH on the chilul shobus....also the GOVED said that we r supposed to go....so who are you to say that it is wrong?? ”
read well you can go but don't do chillul shabos or chillul Hashem
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:33 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
All agree that a solution where going to the streets is prefered.
All agree that if going to the streets is called for (best left for gedolei hador to decide) then violence is un wanted.
When none of the above are feasible the choice remains sad and usualy looks like this one did.
Most protest properly some don't. The same can't be said for the police ( remember gush katif. Forced evacuation) they are trained to be brutes and brutal they are. As one who has wittnessed them in action can attest t
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:29 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
i hope the dont give in
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:29 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Aren't rocks muktzah?!
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:42 PM arye Says:Report as Inappropriate
everyone is mechuyiv tobe moicha on chillul shabos
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:50 PM shabbos iz heilig Says:Report as Inappropriate
The stone trowing & torching was done after shabbos !
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:49 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
If all non-Hareidi emigrate from Yerushalayim tomorrow morning at 7 a.m., what will become of every man-woman-child left in EY? My grandfather left the Old City to come to America in early 1900s because his mother and cousin had starved to death.
It took the incoming of the zionistim to make the desert bloom, to work as laborers to pave the mud into roads, to build the modern clean hospitals. My uncles and aunts moved back as shomer ha-dati religious zionists who keep shabos while serving in the IDF.
Fathers who teach their Jewish sons to throw stones at Jewish police??? Can YOU disfigure the face of a policeman who has an honest job to keep safety in your neighborhood in America??? Can YOU throw a rock to hit a policeman's head and cause him to go into a coma and die???
Disgusting. I disown these people. NOT MY PEOPLE. Shanda, shanda, shanda.
If they are YOUR PEOPLE, how will you repair the evil they are teaching their sons?
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:46 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ By the way number 1 and number 2!!! Reb eliyoshev said erev shobus that everyone should go to be MOICHEH on the chilul shobus....also the GOVED said that we r supposed to go....so who are you to say that it is wrong?? ”
did he also tell them to throw rocks and other things on shabbos? there are ways to protest, and causing harm to others is NOT one of them.
what i dont understand is, if they are protesting chillul shabbos, how can they THEMSELVES be mechallel shabbos?
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:46 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
"Protesters also rallied in Haredi neighborhoods around the city, torching dumpsters."
On Shabbos??!!
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:51 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
both sides r wrong .jews should not b fighting &hurting other jews and the parking lot should not b opened.the problem is u can't make people or force people to b religious it only pushes them futher away from wanting to b religous. aswell it is a democratic country so it is a issue for them to say not open
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:51 PM shabbos iz heilig Says:Report as Inappropriate
The stone trowing & torching was done after shabbos !
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:56 PM brainwashing Says:Report as Inappropriate
this is awful-these young children are being brain washed just like the arabs. last year I was walking in Jerusalem on shabbos and a car drove by and a 4 year old boy with the chasidish garb began to yell "Shabbos Shabbos" so i turned around to him and said, "yeled-tagid Good Shabbos-Shabbat Shalom" They know its Shabbos wish them a good one. The boy and his mother were mortified and ran away. WHAT IN THE HECK DO YOU TEACH YOUR CHILDREN?
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:14 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
The police should get some more (not by stones on shabass)
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:14 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I would love to know how many of these policemen now understand the beauty of Shabbos and will now undertake to keep it properly, after being pummeled with rocks and dirty diapers... Wait, i already know, it's ZERO.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:09 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
vin , why are you one sided? why dont you show pictures of these hoodlums throwing rocks and diapers on the pokice causing chillul shabbos just as well
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:07 PM Shmuel Says:Report as Inappropriate
this is disgraceful and a profaning of God's name in public..the jewish people need to unite .......both religious and non-religious.period.
mutual respect needs to prevail and in this way the sanctity of shabbat will blossom..
i understand the anger and frustration however i can not beleive they would throw feces filled diapers at the police....the arabs and obama see this and see our weakness...unity is critical...the charedim need to teach about shabbat by positive example not with viloence against other jews...
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:06 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The stone trowing & torching was done after shabbos ! ”
no, it was done on shabbos . i was there and witttnessed it
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:06 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Makes me sick, yerushalayim is becoming like arab states run by fanatics, end of the day, only 1 3rd of
Y is frum, this is a legitimate way of solving a problem that has nothing to do with frum ppl, this is certainly not the will of Hashem, to burn dumpsters and throw rocks on shabbos, I don't know what kind of rov says he will lead the fight and burn the city down, but as a frum educated, yeshishe somewhat guy, he certainly doesn't represent me, I am fed up with all this tyranny, there is a middle way to resolve all charedi/chiloni issues and this is hardly one.
Another point to ponder, providing police are doing their job, how dare anybody hurt another jew, they are doing what they have been assigned, about time these bunch of leitzim realize that they are noth the only ones who inhabit this world.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:06 PM DM Says:Report as Inappropriate
They may be misguided, but at least they are passionate about things like Shabbos. Perhaps some of us need to introspect and rethink our passions.....
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:04 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Is it allowed to throw stones on shabbos? i guess shmirat shabbos is just for others. they also caused chillul shabbos for the police. Real frum and real smart ”
The stones were designated before shabbos to avoid being muktzah.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:03 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
HaShem wants to see His children behave this way? For this He gave Shabbos? To have Yidden attacking each other, throwing stones at each other?
Those who believe this will bring Moshiach closer are making a tragic mistake. This only causes more hatred, more division, more Chillul HaShem.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:03 PM Pinchos Hakanai Says:Report as Inappropriate
May all protesters be gebenched!!! This is real mesiras nefesh!!! They should get ahold of weapons and kill every single freaken police officer!!! If we don't show these secular jewish nazis that we chareidim COULD FIGHT AND WOULD FIGHT, we will be pulled around by their dirty leash in future upcoming conflicts!!! We must speak the language they ALL understand!!! We see that the police shut down the parking lot due to the protests VIOLINCE WORKS!!!!!! May we all be zoicheh for moshiach and put all these FRAYEH NAZIS up for din umishpat!!! May hashem bench the gaved with long and healthy years!!!
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:03 PM joeshmoe Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ read well you can go but don't do chillul shabos or chillul Hashem ”
y don't all you people writing what is assur or mittur present your credentials you base your authoritative halachic opinions on! this rabbi weiss everybody knows has hora'ah same goes for rav eliashiv. some bums on the internet not even giving their own names claiming to know halacha and saying what's wrong? now I'm not saying that I know exactly what rav weiss meant by ordering a protest (throwing stones etc.) but burning he presumably did use. soooo let's just keep our daas torah undercovers just as we keep our identities and hetter hora'ah under covers.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:24 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ sick!! last i checked it was ossur to cause someone to bleed on shabbos (as these protesters did by throwing rocks at the police). ”
Last I checked... I am watching your sick comments, 1) the only way with this ppl to fight them its not u.s. Where friendly protest helps the only time they get scared is when haredim get out of control... Real a little history to prove 2) to make this parking lot is a real chutzpah this neighberhood is a hareidi neighberhood and there Is no reason why to make it there
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:22 PM Feh! Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ If all non-Hareidi emigrate from Yerushalayim tomorrow morning at 7 a.m., what will become of every man-woman-child left in EY? My grandfather left the Old City to come to America in early 1900s because his mother and cousin had starved to death.
It took the incoming of the zionistim to make the desert bloom, to work as laborers to pave the mud into roads, to build the modern clean hospitals. My uncles and aunts moved back as shomer ha-dati religious zionists who keep shabos while serving in the IDF.
Fathers who teach their Jewish sons to throw stones at Jewish police??? Can YOU disfigure the face of a policeman who has an honest job to keep safety in your neighborhood in America??? Can YOU throw a rock to hit a policeman's head and cause him to go into a coma and die???
Disgusting. I disown these people. NOT MY PEOPLE. Shanda, shanda, shanda.
If they are YOUR PEOPLE, how will you repair the evil they are teaching their sons? ”
Couldn't agree more. Stop teaching children to hate. You have not improved chillul shabbos by one bit, since the secular jews will now be LESS inclined to be even remotely interested in Shabbos.
These are not my people, either.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:00 PM The Litvish Yid Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ If all non-Hareidi emigrate from Yerushalayim tomorrow morning at 7 a.m., what will become of every man-woman-child left in EY? My grandfather left the Old City to come to America in early 1900s because his mother and cousin had starved to death.
It took the incoming of the zionistim to make the desert bloom, to work as laborers to pave the mud into roads, to build the modern clean hospitals. My uncles and aunts moved back as shomer ha-dati religious zionists who keep shabos while serving in the IDF.
Fathers who teach their Jewish sons to throw stones at Jewish police??? Can YOU disfigure the face of a policeman who has an honest job to keep safety in your neighborhood in America??? Can YOU throw a rock to hit a policeman's head and cause him to go into a coma and die???
Disgusting. I disown these people. NOT MY PEOPLE. Shanda, shanda, shanda.
If they are YOUR PEOPLE, how will you repair the evil they are teaching their sons? ”
How many of the protesters do you see throwing stones? When were the dumpsters lit? i dont believe half of what the zionist state media says... Dont you know what the penalty of breaking Shabbos is? Do you know what happens when Jews desecrate Shabbos in Jerusalem? Learn Torah please before you complain about their actions... The true shanda is that many Jews believe that ALL the charedi were breaking Shabbos when in truth they are suffering for the sake of Hashem!
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:59 PM Anna Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Since when are you allowed to throw rocks on Shabbos?
Isn't chillul shabbos as opening a parking lot? ”
Pukiach Nefesh, is Muttar
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:59 PM zanchanim Says:Report as Inappropriate
Only rocks when I learnt in israel I used to throw benches and tables off th roof tops!!!!!!!!!
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:58 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ garantee they did not get their instructions from daas torah you protest peacefully and be heard what the gaass is waiting for is to call us extremists and other names that are not descriptions of frum yidden ”
I gurantee they did not throw stones its chilil shobbas but its a way to stop the protast
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:57 PM G-d is angry Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The stone trowing & torching was done after shabbos ! ”
that still doesnt justify it.. We are not supposed to stam destroy things-it falls under the law of Baal Tashchis and we also arent allowed to hurt other Jews. G-d is angry.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:55 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ If all non-Hareidi emigrate from Yerushalayim tomorrow morning at 7 a.m., what will become of every man-woman-child left in EY? My grandfather left the Old City to come to America in early 1900s because his mother and cousin had starved to death.
It took the incoming of the zionistim to make the desert bloom, to work as laborers to pave the mud into roads, to build the modern clean hospitals. My uncles and aunts moved back as shomer ha-dati religious zionists who keep shabos while serving in the IDF.
Fathers who teach their Jewish sons to throw stones at Jewish police??? Can YOU disfigure the face of a policeman who has an honest job to keep safety in your neighborhood in America??? Can YOU throw a rock to hit a policeman's head and cause him to go into a coma and die???
Disgusting. I disown these people. NOT MY PEOPLE. Shanda, shanda, shanda.
If they are YOUR PEOPLE, how will you repair the evil they are teaching their sons? ”
well said. I couldn't agree more.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:55 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
everyone should thank GER for actually putting in a mayor mechalel shabbos Barakat they didn't go to the protest!
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Jun 06, 2009 at 09:52 PM dirty Jew Says:Report as Inappropriate
It amazes me this is what the ARABS do-only ANIMALS do this-Jewish people DO NOT throw rocks, especially at other Jews. This is why Moshiach isnt here yet, this is why people can call Jews "dirty Jew" because these Jews are indeed dirty. Instead of screaming shabbos-why dont u start an educational campaign that makes people more prone to listening and act more sensitive.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:32 PM disgusted Says:Report as Inappropriate
these people are bored and have boring lives. when they see a chance to protest/make trouble, they do. this is their form of excitement.
a normal person on shabbos spends time with his family and friends. he learns, enjoys the tish, and gets some menucha. these people, who want to preserve shabbos so much, pick up muktzeh rocks and throw them at other jews. yep, that makes a lot of sense.
their behavior is just as bad as the parking lot opening on shabbos.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:32 PM Shmuel Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ May all protesters be gebenched!!! This is real mesiras nefesh!!! They should get ahold of weapons and kill every single freaken police officer!!! If we don't show these secular jewish nazis that we chareidim COULD FIGHT AND WOULD FIGHT, we will be pulled around by their dirty leash in future upcoming conflicts!!! We must speak the language they ALL understand!!! We see that the police shut down the parking lot due to the protests VIOLINCE WORKS!!!!!! May we all be zoicheh for moshiach and put all these FRAYEH NAZIS up for din umishpat!!! May hashem bench the gaved with long and healthy years!!! ”
unfortunately i think you are mentally unbalanced mr pinchos...while i am not a rabbi i beleive it to be against halacha to kill these police officers...as for calling them nazis..this is sad.. i just visited the camp at auschwitz last week and to hear a jew calling these police oficers nazis sickens me and is a form of lashon harah..i hope you never experience real nazi atrocities.....
as for you charedim showing you can fight... well to be honest that is more of your delusional paranoia than just a funny thought...most charedim cant fight nor do they know how the police officers are all young, well trained individuals who served at least 3 years in the israeli army and have riot gear and billy clubs...they are also armed...the police officers also have a love of israel and the jewish people and they serve all of am yisrael putting their lives on the line...teach them torah with love and with honesty...build a bridge and unite the jewish people with love as the torah commands the priests to bless our nation ...with love..(see this weeks torah portion)...
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:35 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Thank you Ger again!!!
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:35 PM scy4851 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ If all non-Hareidi emigrate from Yerushalayim tomorrow morning at 7 a.m., what will become of every man-woman-child left in EY? My grandfather left the Old City to come to America in early 1900s because his mother and cousin had starved to death.
It took the incoming of the zionistim to make the desert bloom, to work as laborers to pave the mud into roads, to build the modern clean hospitals. My uncles and aunts moved back as shomer ha-dati religious zionists who keep shabos while serving in the IDF.
Fathers who teach their Jewish sons to throw stones at Jewish police??? Can YOU disfigure the face of a policeman who has an honest job to keep safety in your neighborhood in America??? Can YOU throw a rock to hit a policeman's head and cause him to go into a coma and die???
Disgusting. I disown these people. NOT MY PEOPLE. Shanda, shanda, shanda.
If they are YOUR PEOPLE, how will you repair the evil they are teaching their sons? ”
you talk like a self hating yid. if you are one...
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Jun 06, 2009 at 11:01 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Ger did it again for the second time what A chilul Hashem!
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Jun 06, 2009 at 11:04 PM Karl Says:Report as Inappropriate
I wonder if Ger was in attendance as well
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:56 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ unfortunately i think you are mentally unbalanced mr pinchos...while i am not a rabbi i beleive it to be against halacha to kill these police officers...as for calling them nazis..this is sad.. i just visited the camp at auschwitz last week and to hear a jew calling these police oficers nazis sickens me and is a form of lashon harah..i hope you never experience real nazi atrocities.....
as for you charedim showing you can fight... well to be honest that is more of your delusional paranoia than just a funny thought...most charedim cant fight nor do they know how the police officers are all young, well trained individuals who served at least 3 years in the israeli army and have riot gear and billy clubs...they are also armed...the police officers also have a love of israel and the jewish people and they serve all of am yisrael putting their lives on the line...teach them torah with love and with honesty...build a bridge and unite the jewish people with love as the torah commands the priests to bless our nation ...with love..(see this weeks torah portion)...
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"i just visited the camp at auschwitz last week and to hear a jew calling these police oficers nazis sickens me and is a form of lashon harah..i hope you never experience real nazi atrocities.....:
Actually, these demonstrators should be the recipients of what they created today...especially this Rabbi Weiss who instigated today violence. A few diapers in the direction of the heilege rebbe would be most appropriate.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:54 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I suspect 99 percent of VIN readers, however opposed they are to the blatant machelel shabbos happening at the garage, would like to see these crazy demonstraters who created a big chilul shabbos and even bigger chilul hashem. I just saw film of this violence on the late news tonight. Instead of fighting the real terrorists, these chayas and deranged rabbonim are fight young jewish police and security officers doing their job. Hashem should strke down anyone who attacks another yidden with the hatred they have shown.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:48 PM nat Says:Report as Inappropriate
Send these idiots to work so they will actually use Shabbos to rest and won't look for places to vent their frustrations for their miserable existence on the Israeli police officers
When was the last time we here in Brooklyn went secular Jewish neighborhoods to throw stones on our secular Jewish brothers?
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:46 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
The Rabbonim did say to protest but they did not say to do what some people chose to do. Perhaps, next Shabbos booths should be set up serving Shabbos food and maybe that will have a more positive effect. We overhere look and see what does not look nice especially when innocent people end up getting hurt and punished for those who take this as an excuse to behave in an Untoradik way. We have children living in Yershalayim and not be able to leave their homes for if they did they will too be beaten or hit even if just innocently wanting to go to shul.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:44 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ you talk like a self hating yid. if you are one... ”
Yes, there are many "hating yids" after today's violence but the hatred is directed to you and those who support this reign of terror by these animals.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:42 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ you talk like a self hating yid. if you are one... ”
I think you should get used to the idea that the modern orthodox and secular communities in eretz yisroel will no longer allow this hareidi terrorism to continue. The backlash against these yiddeshe Nazis will be so great that they will wish they never pulled the trigger. This is the beginning of the end for these rabbonim who whose distorted and vile view of daas torah and yiddeshkeit will ignite a fire that will burn through klal yisroel and restore political balance.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 10:36 PM Icecreamsoda! Says:Report as Inappropriate
Wow! A report by Reuters, Jpost Army radio and Haaretz all rolled into one giant ball of Anti- Charedi trash! Who knew such Achdus existed by those who hate us! 4 News outlets, 1 goal, to vilify the "evil Haredi".
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Jun 06, 2009 at 11:07 PM Dag Says:Report as Inappropriate
Protestors...RASHA, Lama Saka Raecha?
Stone throwers are Rodfim....
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Jun 06, 2009 at 11:06 PM Boruch N. Hoffinger Says:Report as Inappropriate
BS"D
#29
"The stones were designated..."
This is a big chillul HaShem. Throwing rocks at your brothers (And sisters.) is a horrible thing!
Rambam said most Jews who are not observant are Teenoke SheNishba. If you can justify harming a Jew with a deadly weapon, why can't they justify not wanting to observe the Shabbat? Both are negative and positive commands of G-d, right?
You, and the rock-throwers, think they are better than the police. This is an illusion and trick of 'the yetzer.'
Continue to act in you foolish and blind way and see how much time you'll wait for Moshiach.
Nothing is greater than Shal-m. HaShem even erases HIS name for it.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 11:18 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
The Gerre rebbe should be held accountable for the actions of his chassidim. The reason that Barkat was elected in the first place was because of his antics and what happened today almost guarantees there will never again be a frumme mayor in Yerushalyim.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 11:35 PM izzy Says:Report as Inappropriate
these fanatics must get a job.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 11:33 PM I agree with #6 Says:Report as Inappropriate
Not just a Chillul shabbos but a Chillul Hashem for frum Jews to behave like behemas. Disgusting. Hope they are still in jail.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 11:28 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
These charadim r absolustly insane
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Jun 06, 2009 at 11:26 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Protestors...RASHA, Lama Saka Raecha?
Stone throwers are Rodfim.... ”
ok, lISTEN UP!
Every protest will always have a few nutcases that will do the wrong thing, HOWEVER the protest as whole was infact a huge kiddush hashem to be moche on those tzionim/chilonim who want to ruin our holy Shabbos!!!!
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Jun 06, 2009 at 11:22 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The stones were designated before shabbos to avoid being muktzah. ”
Come on. You know that's a joke, it doesn't really happen.
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Jun 06, 2009 at 11:22 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
You can't believe anything Haaretz OR the Israeli police say. "Thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem who threw stones"? A nechtige tog. No such thing has ever happened, and I can guarantee 100% that it didn't happen today either. If you tell me that twenty people threw stones on Shabbos I'll believe it; but "thousands"?
The police claim that six of them were injured? Going on past experience I'll bet that most of those six tripped, or hurt themselves in some other way. And then one must ask when did the stone throwing start, before or after the police violence. Look at what happened at Amona. A peaceful protest turned violent when the police went in and started brutally beating people, and the boys on the roof started throwing rocks and concrete to defend the helpless victims. And yet that's not how the police or Haaretz reported it. So why should we believe that's not what happened here?
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Jun 06, 2009 at 11:38 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ "i just visited the camp at auschwitz last week and to hear a jew calling these police oficers nazis sickens me and is a form of lashon harah..i hope you never experience real nazi atrocities.....:
Actually, these demonstrators should be the recipients of what they created today...especially this Rabbi Weiss who instigated today violence. A few diapers in the direction of the heilege rebbe would be most appropriate. ”
Just because you visited Auschwitz doesnt mean that these officers are not acting like Nazis. What would you call the police officer who is pulling/ripping someones payos????!!!! Where else outside of Nazi Germany have we seen Jews treated this way?? You call this Lashon Hora and in the same sentence you shamelessly go on to speak direspectfuly and say despicable things about a Rabbi. It's people who acted like you who caused the Holocaust in the first place.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 12:33 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Not just a Chillul shabbos but a Chillul Hashem for frum Jews to behave like behemas. Disgusting. Hope they are still in jail. ”
did you make or hear kiddush today if you did then you will remember that it says that EVERYONE all jews must keep shabbos
why is the law of the land more important to keep then halacha is it cooler to kiss up to the police
whos to say whats worse chillul shabbos or sinos chinum? why was the beis hamikdash distroyed???
none of them should be done not chillul shabbos and not protests
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Jun 07, 2009 at 12:10 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ BS"D
#29
"The stones were designated..."
This is a big chillul HaShem. Throwing rocks at your brothers (And sisters.) is a horrible thing!
Rambam said most Jews who are not observant are Teenoke SheNishba. If you can justify harming a Jew with a deadly weapon, why can't they justify not wanting to observe the Shabbat? Both are negative and positive commands of G-d, right?
You, and the rock-throwers, think they are better than the police. This is an illusion and trick of 'the yetzer.'
Continue to act in you foolish and blind way and see how much time you'll wait for Moshiach.
Nothing is greater than Shal-m. HaShem even erases HIS name for it.
”
rav wosner paskend that most jews in ey cannot be classified as tinok shenishba.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 12:09 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ unfortunately i think you are mentally unbalanced mr pinchos...while i am not a rabbi i beleive it to be against halacha to kill these police officers...as for calling them nazis..this is sad.. i just visited the camp at auschwitz last week and to hear a jew calling these police oficers nazis sickens me and is a form of lashon harah..i hope you never experience real nazi atrocities.....
as for you charedim showing you can fight... well to be honest that is more of your delusional paranoia than just a funny thought...most charedim cant fight nor do they know how the police officers are all young, well trained individuals who served at least 3 years in the israeli army and have riot gear and billy clubs...they are also armed...the police officers also have a love of israel and the jewish people and they serve all of am yisrael putting their lives on the line...teach them torah with love and with honesty...build a bridge and unite the jewish people with love as the torah commands the priests to bless our nation ...with love..(see this weeks torah portion)...
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you said the police offices have a love of the jewish people? YOU are the mentally unbalanced one i have personally witnessed police going to beis yisroel rd and throwing rocks randomly into every single window on the rd in beis yisroel neighborhood right next to mir yeshiva. They even hit a little girl in the face and she had to get rushed to the hospital at 3 in the morning. I have similiarly seen them spray the water cannon indiscriminately shattering peoples windows especially on meah shearim rd. I have many other stories of police brutality that i witnessed first hand. These police do not love the jewish people, these police are animals.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 12:07 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
This video was obviously NOT taken by the Chareidim and all I see is abuse by the police OF the Chareidim and NOT any rock throwing. If it happened, it was an isolated incident!
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Jun 07, 2009 at 12:06 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Just because you visited Auschwitz doesnt mean that these officers are not acting like Nazis. What would you call the police officer who is pulling/ripping someones payos????!!!! Where else outside of Nazi Germany have we seen Jews treated this way?? You call this Lashon Hora and in the same sentence you shamelessly go on to speak direspectfuly and say despicable things about a Rabbi. It's people who acted like you who caused the Holocaust in the first place. ”
All the things that have been said about this rabbi who said "burn the city" is deserved and he should only suffer for the chilul hashem he caused today
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Jun 07, 2009 at 01:32 AM NeveAliza Says:Report as Inappropriate
Another dumb idea from the Edea. Forget the rocks (always kids) and the burning (always nut jobs) and violence (always someone dressed up like a Chasid). The very fact that extra Jewish police had to be brought on Shabbos caused Chilul Shabbos and the Edea knew this before Shabbos. The biggest proof that this "demonstration" was wrong is the fact that YWN didn't cover the news item after Shabbos. I guess they were afraid of all the "I told you so" comments that were bound to come in.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 01:14 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ All the things that have been said about this rabbi who said "burn the city" is deserved and he should only suffer for the chilul hashem he caused today ”
Watch out. You are not talking about your equal. R Yitzchok Tuvia Weiss is the geon av bes din of the Eidoh. You trust his beis din for kashrus; so what gives you the right to dismiss his other psokim so lightly? What gives you the right to speak with such chutzpah of one of the leading poskim of our times?
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Jun 07, 2009 at 07:27 AM chaim Says:Report as Inappropriate
reminds me of the blacks and puerto ricans of the 1960's who rioted and burned down their own neighborhoods,
and the reason was the same for both the blacks and the so called frumies in jerusalem ,ignorant savages who do not work and contribute anything to civilization,like they say in yiddish''MEN VERT MESHIGE FON LEIDIG-GEIN.if it would be up to me i would take all these gangsters round them up and draft them into the IDF,and let them do something constructive for the jewish people,
by the way i am a chasidishe yungerman from boropark,who is absolutely ashamed and embarrased by these gangsters
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Jun 07, 2009 at 07:24 AM michal Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ May all protesters be gebenched!!! This is real mesiras nefesh!!! They should get ahold of weapons and kill every single freaken police officer!!! If we don't show these secular jewish nazis that we chareidim COULD FIGHT AND WOULD FIGHT, we will be pulled around by their dirty leash in future upcoming conflicts!!! We must speak the language they ALL understand!!! We see that the police shut down the parking lot due to the protests VIOLINCE WORKS!!!!!! May we all be zoicheh for moshiach and put all these FRAYEH NAZIS up for din umishpat!!! May hashem bench the gaved with long and healthy years!!! ”
You are a fool and a sonei yisroel. The police officer were there to protect the people and prevent violence. They were doing their job. The ones to blame are the rabbonim. Their nonaction speaks volumes. How could they allow such a Chillul Hashem. Do you think Rav Moshe Feinstein, z'tl, or the Lubavitcher Rebbe, z'tl, would encourage yidden to go out and commit violence to fellow Jews. Unfortunately, we have no real guidance. We so need Moshiach, and the rabbonim who allowed this to happen will only delay his coming.
Today there are so many yidden who are straying from Torah, R'L. Why do you think this is happening? The hateful attitude of the yidden from this terrible Chillul Hashem is one of the reasons why they are going off the derech. Do we think that when a yid who sees this will come back to Yiddishkeit?
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Jun 07, 2009 at 07:48 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Anyone else wondering how we ended up with thousands of the chidren of mechalalai shabbos in America keep shabbos and learning daf yomi even though no one ever showed them the beauty of shabbos with hafganos and rocks?
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Jun 07, 2009 at 07:47 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
To all the charedi bashers and self hating jews .even if would have been a totally peacfull demonstration you woukd have called it a chillul hashem your hatred for charedim as transparent you can't hide it you wanted too myou want to be looked at by the seculars as enlightened and are embarresed of your brothers fight to preserve kedushas shabbos one of the 10 commandments take a good long look in the mirror and see what ur true intentions realy are.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 07:45 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Watch out. You are not talking about your equal. R Yitzchok Tuvia Weiss is the geon av bes din of the Eidoh. You trust his beis din for kashrus; so what gives you the right to dismiss his other psokim so lightly? What gives you the right to speak with such chutzpah of one of the leading poskim of our times? ”
Thank you for pointing out that we trust the edah for kashrus.
Time to start re-thinking that too.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 06:58 AM Raphael Kaufman Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ They may be misguided, but at least they are passionate about things like Shabbos. Perhaps some of us need to introspect and rethink our passions..... ”
Passion for evil is still evil.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 06:53 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Sorry, I strongly believe if you gonna want someone to keep shabbos, do it positive... invite them for shabbos...many times it works. not in the negative.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 06:34 AM To #72 Says:Report as Inappropriate
Don't you know that to these lunatics, freier Jews aren't Jews? They're not even human! Only people "like them" are Jews. We aren't either. Sickos!
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Jun 07, 2009 at 06:20 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
To all who are knocking Ger- they were not involved (and you can see there are no Gerrer chassidim in the picture), and #3- Rav Elyashiv did NOT sign to give his approval, so I don't know where you got your info from. And what chillul Shabbos is involoved exactly, anyway? The Druzim that are working? THe people who were already driving and just need a place to park?
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Jun 07, 2009 at 06:12 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ no, it was done on shabbos . i was there and witttnessed it ”
There was nobody lighting dumpsters on shabbos i was there
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Jun 07, 2009 at 07:53 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Watch out. You are not talking about your equal. R Yitzchok Tuvia Weiss is the geon av bes din of the Eidoh. You trust his beis din for kashrus; so what gives you the right to dismiss his other psokim so lightly? What gives you the right to speak with such chutzpah of one of the leading poskim of our times? ”
Whoever gave charaidim the right to insult the rabbonim of the tzi'onim and the roshai yeshiva of YU and Hesder gave everyone else the right to insult the edah & co.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 05:32 AM Meshigane Says:Report as Inappropriate
A bandit meshiguyim why mostly kaftans and shtreimelich? no briskers, litvakes, gerers or belzers?
only the hotheads looking for a good time, they think they are continuing the tradition of their fathers, a bunch of pottsen and tuchesfaces, when R'Amram Blau stopped the eddsion cinema at least then Yerushlayimer yiden were known as ehrlich and holy, this lot, a bunch of lydigeirs who should first work on their own yiddishkeit before preaching to others. I'm sure if Reb Bentzy Miller aka Mr Drugman was'nt sitting he would of been the first there leading this mob. Seriously, Meah Sharim has many many issues to sort out - charity starts at home.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 07:58 AM Z Says:Report as Inappropriate
Good job. This is sure to inspire thousands of Jews to keep shaabos.
Six thumbs up.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 05:04 AM I WAS THERE Says:Report as Inappropriate
I was there and I LIT GARBAGE DUMPSTERS AFTER SHABBAS. IM PROUD OF IT. We cant stand around when they desecrate the shabbas if we do THEY WILL WALK US WITH A DIRTY LEASH. Look at the media reports you see that parking was closed untill now BEC OF CHAREIDI PRESSURE. We must use all power we have to fight it. YERUSHALAYIM EINOI HEFKER-JERUSALLEM ISN"T A FREE-FOR-ALL. We have Gained much from these protests. Look at all the streets that are closed on shabbas. Look at the gay parade etc. etc. Also I was there and as far as i was able to see rocks were not thrown on shabbas and dumpsters were definetly only lit AFTER SHABBAS.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 04:43 AM Elchonon Hellinger Says:Report as Inappropriate
I wouldent throw rocks and riot in this case (for other causes I have) but I did live 2 streets over from the parking garage for 3 years.
The issue does not merely affect mea shearim.. it affects massua, mameila etc.. besides for the kedusha of shabbos and yerushalayim.
Are they right or wrong ? i dont know... but its just 1 more step in proving that the state is far from judaism.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 03:35 AM shimon Says:Report as Inappropriate
All of you that dont know Its asur what they did on shabbos no questions asked but just to let you know most of these guys in magav unit are anti semites and self hating jews ecspecialy the yassam police most of them are russian goyim and all of them hate the jews these cops should of got beat down they always think their above the law what they did in gush katif and othe rplaces was hundred times worse they are reshoyim
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Jun 07, 2009 at 08:04 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ To all the charedi bashers and self hating jews .even if would have been a totally peacfull demonstration you woukd have called it a chillul hashem your hatred for charedim as transparent you can't hide it you wanted too myou want to be looked at by the seculars as enlightened and are embarresed of your brothers fight to preserve kedushas shabbos one of the 10 commandments take a good long look in the mirror and see what ur true intentions realy are. ”
Maybe it is the constant use of the word FIGHT that turns us off.
Fighting is for the battle field and politics.
Since this wasn't a battlefield it must have been political.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 02:51 AM matzahlocal101 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ All the things that have been said about this rabbi who said "burn the city" is deserved and he should only suffer for the chilul hashem he caused today ”
I know Rav Tuvia Weiss shlita and in my wildest dreams I can't picture him physically threatening anyone especially the police. If this were true, they would have opened a "tik" and charged him with incitement on the spot. Lo dubim vilo ya'ar. This accusation is false.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 02:42 AM me Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I suspect 99 percent of VIN readers, however opposed they are to the blatant machelel shabbos happening at the garage, would like to see these crazy demonstraters who created a big chilul shabbos and even bigger chilul hashem. I just saw film of this violence on the late news tonight. Instead of fighting the real terrorists, these chayas and deranged rabbonim are fight young jewish police and security officers doing their job. Hashem should strke down anyone who attacks another yidden with the hatred they have shown. ”
Go to hafagana, and stand off to the side and watch the way your secular anti religious police beat chareidim with batons. It's OK to teach the secular to hate and disparage chareidim, but when chareidim stand up in defense of Hashem's torah, all of a sudden it's a chillul Hashem. Why? because you're more comfortable with western liberal values than Torah values. The torah puts a man to death for smoking a cigarette on Shabbos. Who did he bother? no-one. I'm sure if you saw a Baisdin putting a man to death for smoking a cigarette on Shabbos in the time of the Tana'im or "consulting adults" who didn't bother anyone else, you would also scream chillul Hashem because you think like a goy.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 02:18 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ ok, lISTEN UP!
Every protest will always have a few nutcases that will do the wrong thing, HOWEVER the protest as whole was infact a huge kiddush hashem to be moche on those tzionim/chilonim who want to ruin our holy Shabbos!!!! ”
The demonstration was a Kiddush Hashem???? Which Hashem do you believe in???? Not Alokai Avraham, Yitzchok V'Yaakov!!!!
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Jun 07, 2009 at 02:15 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ How many of the protesters do you see throwing stones? When were the dumpsters lit? i dont believe half of what the zionist state media says... Dont you know what the penalty of breaking Shabbos is? Do you know what happens when Jews desecrate Shabbos in Jerusalem? Learn Torah please before you complain about their actions... The true shanda is that many Jews believe that ALL the charedi were breaking Shabbos when in truth they are suffering for the sake of Hashem! ”
Litvish Yid: You sound so holy! You are so worried about the penalty for not keeping Shabbos that you condone the stone throwing as "suffering for the sake of Hashem"! You really sound too holy to be using the internet, which was forbidden by many Litvishe Rabbonim, so what is your comment doing here?!!!
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Jun 07, 2009 at 02:01 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Chilul Shabbos - NOT ALLOWED.
Chilul Hashem - ALLOWED????????!!!!!!!!!!!
There's only one Aibishter and one Torah - you can't pick and choose which mitzvos you keep - we have 613!
They're not keeping Shabbos? That's between them and Hashem.
Your despicable behavior will not encourage anyone to keep Shabbos!!!! Do you really care about those not keeping Shabbos? Demonstrate that Yidden, Shomrei Shabbos are holy, refined and respectable people and inspire a love of Shabbos and a love of Hashem. This repulsive behavior is pure selfishness - these people want to create a "holy bubble" for themselves to live in. They don't care how "chilonim" feel about not keeping Shabbos, or about Hashem - as long as they keep their "aveiros" far away from these "holy" people!!!
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Jun 07, 2009 at 08:16 AM michal Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I was there and I LIT GARBAGE DUMPSTERS AFTER SHABBAS. IM PROUD OF IT. We cant stand around when they desecrate the shabbas if we do THEY WILL WALK US WITH A DIRTY LEASH. Look at the media reports you see that parking was closed untill now BEC OF CHAREIDI PRESSURE. We must use all power we have to fight it. YERUSHALAYIM EINOI HEFKER-JERUSALLEM ISN"T A FREE-FOR-ALL. We have Gained much from these protests. Look at all the streets that are closed on shabbas. Look at the gay parade etc. etc. Also I was there and as far as i was able to see rocks were not thrown on shabbas and dumpsters were definetly only lit AFTER SHABBAS. ”
You should be ashamed of yourself. What you committed is a chillul Hashem. How is your action any different than the Arab terrorists who throw rocks at Jews in Judea and Samaria?
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Jun 07, 2009 at 08:15 AM Shmuel Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ you said the police offices have a love of the jewish people? YOU are the mentally unbalanced one i have personally witnessed police going to beis yisroel rd and throwing rocks randomly into every single window on the rd in beis yisroel neighborhood right next to mir yeshiva. They even hit a little girl in the face and she had to get rushed to the hospital at 3 in the morning. I have similiarly seen them spray the water cannon indiscriminately shattering peoples windows especially on meah shearim rd. I have many other stories of police brutality that i witnessed first hand. These police do not love the jewish people, these police are animals. ”
you are entitled to your thoughts on my mental status and balance..i stand by my comments in # 44........these are jewish police officers, many non-religious who risk their lives in a dangerous place to keep all the inhabitants safe...both religious and non-religious....as for a little girl involved at 3 in the morning in an incident between police and protestors, this tells me something about the parents of this particular child ...i suspect there is more to this story than you are disclosing....
the police are not animals.... the charedim are not animals..unfortunately there are some on both sides who beleive that (you state that you are one of them)..if you provoke the charedim you will get a response.....if you provoke the police you will get a response....each side needs to treat the other as they themselves would like to be treated.......
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Jun 07, 2009 at 08:50 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ To all who are knocking Ger- they were not involved (and you can see there are no Gerrer chassidim in the picture), and #3- Rav Elyashiv did NOT sign to give his approval, so I don't know where you got your info from. And what chillul Shabbos is involoved exactly, anyway? The Druzim that are working? THe people who were already driving and just need a place to park? ”
the gerers are the source to the whole problem they elected with their own paws a chiloni mayor!
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Jun 07, 2009 at 08:44 AM rav nuchemke Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Whoever gave charaidim the right to insult the rabbonim of the tzi'onim and the roshai yeshiva of YU and Hesder gave everyone else the right to insult the edah & co. ”
every time the charedim protest the digging up of graves of tsadikim the nazi police brutuly beat week yeshiva bochurim who have right to protest ...how can you call israel a democracy its a facist dictatorship!!!
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Jun 07, 2009 at 08:34 AM Tanna Kamma Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ They may be misguided, but at least they are passionate about things like Shabbos. Perhaps some of us need to introspect and rethink our passions..... ”
They are passionate...about being passionate, let's see them learn a blatt gemara with the same fervor...
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Jun 07, 2009 at 08:33 AM keini Says:Report as Inappropriate
the israeli is the most brutul police force in the world..imagine in america if cops would be as brutul to blacks as the israeli police are to the charadim the are just jewish nazis...
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Jun 07, 2009 at 08:30 AM Shmuel Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Just because you visited Auschwitz doesnt mean that these officers are not acting like Nazis. What would you call the police officer who is pulling/ripping someones payos????!!!! Where else outside of Nazi Germany have we seen Jews treated this way?? You call this Lashon Hora and in the same sentence you shamelessly go on to speak direspectfuly and say despicable things about a Rabbi. It's people who acted like you who caused the Holocaust in the first place. ”
using the word nazi in this discussion denigrates the memory of 6 million martyrs..the police are not nazis no matter what your thoughts on their actions and response....calling the jerusalem police nazis is a form of lason harah. comment 66 quotes from me in #44 where no mention is made of rabbis... and from #49 (not from me) where a rabbi is disparaged... ofcourse it is a disgrace to throw soiled diapers at the rabbis too (as well as the police)....as for rabbi weiss i do not know him however he is entitled to respect and kovod too as are all of the jewish people...
the sage hillel got it right when he defined judaism in terms of the golden rule...we all need to learn from hillel the rabbi..
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Jun 07, 2009 at 08:21 AM kas Says:Report as Inappropriate
These are not my people and not my religion. Just because the dress like jews and look like jews does not make them jews. They will be suprised after 120 when they get sent to the fires of hell.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 09:14 AM moish Says:Report as Inappropriate
Who knew these losers can fight! If that's the case maybe they should join the army and be productive for a change?
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Jun 07, 2009 at 09:06 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
A protest should be done like it was done a few weeks ago in BALTIMORE with no pushing and shoving... A protest, the yiddish right way!
This is a huge chillul hashem. I dont understand how anyone who learns the torah can do something like this...
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Jun 07, 2009 at 08:53 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Gerre rebbe should be held accountable for the actions of his chassidim. The reason that Barkat was elected in the first place was because of his antics and what happened today almost guarantees there will never again be a frumme mayor in Yerushalyim. ”
say that again! i agree 100%!
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Jun 07, 2009 at 08:51 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I wonder if Ger was in attendance as well ”
no they shop in shefa as well!
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Jun 07, 2009 at 09:27 AM eretz hakodesh Says:Report as Inappropriate
I was there people did not break shabbos soon as shabbos was over than they started throwing rocks and all but there was cop that came over to me and said because of these people i broke shabbos otheriwse i would of been home eating shabbos meal its discrase whats going on but the cops started grabing and pushing people first we should all make huge riot at netanyahu house for destroying settlements which its brought down hilchos shabbos if someone comes to your field or house to take even piece of straw on shabbos ur obligated to break shabbos to defend your self but
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Jun 07, 2009 at 09:57 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Whoever gave charaidim the right to insult the rabbonim of the tzi'onim and the roshai yeshiva of YU and Hesder gave everyone else the right to insult the edah & co. ”
כל המשנה ידו על התחתונה
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Jun 07, 2009 at 10:01 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I was there and I LIT GARBAGE DUMPSTERS AFTER SHABBAS. IM PROUD OF IT. We cant stand around when they desecrate the shabbas if we do THEY WILL WALK US WITH A DIRTY LEASH. Look at the media reports you see that parking was closed untill now BEC OF CHAREIDI PRESSURE. We must use all power we have to fight it. YERUSHALAYIM EINOI HEFKER-JERUSALLEM ISN"T A FREE-FOR-ALL. We have Gained much from these protests. Look at all the streets that are closed on shabbas. Look at the gay parade etc. etc. Also I was there and as far as i was able to see rocks were not thrown on shabbas and dumpsters were definetly only lit AFTER SHABBAS. ”
And what gave you the right to burn someone else's property after shabbos? Where did you find a heter for this? Did the gaavad tell you you could do this? You were asked to come and make a macho'oh with your presence; was that not enough excitement for you? I'm still not sure what exactly the city did wrong, but I can accept that when the rabbonim say to protest you protest; but who gave you permission to go beyond that? Bist doch stam a mazik! Throwing stones can be justified as self-defense against police violence; but setting fire to things? How does that help?
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Jun 07, 2009 at 10:24 AM anti colt man Says:Report as Inappropriate
i love this...how come i don't see all the rebes out that promote this- protesting??. these are very bored people who do nothing with their lives-who talk and dress the walk but don't actually walk the walk and talk. sick people! they are the complete opposite of "chassidish"....an embarrassment to judaism as a whole
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Jun 07, 2009 at 11:46 AM yehuda Says:Report as Inappropriate
every yid has to keep shabos and
every yid is responsible for another yid shouldn t be mechalel shabos this why we must do everything in our power to stop the chilul shabos
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Jun 07, 2009 at 01:00 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ you are entitled to your thoughts on my mental status and balance..i stand by my comments in # 44........these are jewish police officers, many non-religious who risk their lives in a dangerous place to keep all the inhabitants safe...both religious and non-religious....as for a little girl involved at 3 in the morning in an incident between police and protestors, this tells me something about the parents of this particular child ...i suspect there is more to this story than you are disclosing....
the police are not animals.... the charedim are not animals..unfortunately there are some on both sides who beleive that (you state that you are one of them)..if you provoke the charedim you will get a response.....if you provoke the police you will get a response....each side needs to treat the other as they themselves would like to be treated....... ”
you suspect there are more? i saw it they were throwing rocks into random peoples windows the rock they through a window into was completely unprovoked. If you dont believe me about this story there are plenty of others of police brutality go read up some articles online. Of course you would be crying collective punishment if it was against arabs but against your fellow jew you blame them when police harm innocent people unprovoked.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 02:30 PM Shmuel Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ you suspect there are more? i saw it they were throwing rocks into random peoples windows the rock they through a window into was completely unprovoked. If you dont believe me about this story there are plenty of others of police brutality go read up some articles online. Of course you would be crying collective punishment if it was against arabs but against your fellow jew you blame them when police harm innocent people unprovoked. ”
..i was referring to the little girl who was hurt and rushed to the hospital at 3 in the morning i suspect there is more to that story........now.. what mr annonymous is saying as i now understand it....is that the charedim peacefully protest a newly opened parking lot and the jerusalem police with absolutely no provocation threw rocks into peoples homes (was this at 3 am?) and ofcourse the burning of peoples property (after shabbat ofcourse) was perpetrated by whom? (the police or the protestors?)..after some rabbis were alleged to have said that they would burn the city....but you mr annonymous were there so i am so releived to hear from you that the religious jews were all rightous and did not brake any man made laws...( i do feel better now) ..police brutality is wrong too.. so i guess the almighty is smiling upon you now for your courage and fortitude...
as for the arabs your comment is misplaced and bizzare......personally i would like to see them promptly expelled from the land of israel period. (think of it as an act of kindness placing them with their own kind) but sadly there are many charedim who prefer to have a gentile arab government in charge than a jewish one (even if the jewish one is not perfect) i think these people go by the name neturai karta..you mr annonymous (great name) however seem to be above them all and bear witness...why dont you next time hire gentile photographers for your shabbbat protests and show it to the world (our enemies would be thrilled having pictures of israeli police brutality)....you seem youn and naive and need to much growing up and maturing...
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Jun 07, 2009 at 06:12 PM merkin Says:Report as Inappropriate
The protesters make people hate Torah and frum Jews.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 08:40 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ ..i was referring to the little girl who was hurt and rushed to the hospital at 3 in the morning i suspect there is more to that story........now.. what mr annonymous is saying as i now understand it....is that the charedim peacefully protest a newly opened parking lot and the jerusalem police with absolutely no provocation threw rocks into peoples homes (was this at 3 am?) and ofcourse the burning of peoples property (after shabbat ofcourse) was perpetrated by whom? (the police or the protestors?)..after some rabbis were alleged to have said that they would burn the city....but you mr annonymous were there so i am so releived to hear from you that the religious jews were all rightous and did not brake any man made laws...( i do feel better now) ..police brutality is wrong too.. so i guess the almighty is smiling upon you now for your courage and fortitude...
as for the arabs your comment is misplaced and bizzare......personally i would like to see them promptly expelled from the land of israel period. (think of it as an act of kindness placing them with their own kind) but sadly there are many charedim who prefer to have a gentile arab government in charge than a jewish one (even if the jewish one is not perfect) i think these people go by the name neturai karta..you mr annonymous (great name) however seem to be above them all and bear witness...why dont you next time hire gentile photographers for your shabbbat protests and show it to the world (our enemies would be thrilled having pictures of israeli police brutality)....you seem youn and naive and need to much growing up and maturing... ”
you are a fool and did not read what i wrote , i was refering to an incident two years ago and yes the police unprovoked through rocks into every window
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Jun 08, 2009 at 03:21 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ the israeli is the most brutul police force in the world..imagine in america if cops would be as brutul to blacks as the israeli police are to the charadim the are just jewish nazis... ”
They are NOT brutal to jews... They actually hate to come to the Chareidy protests... They are warned beforehand that they can't do this and can't do that... That's whay there are B"H no dead people.... They wish that they could be at an arab protest where they can do do what-ever pleases them.... I know this because I worked with them at some time.
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Jun 08, 2009 at 09:13 AM Shmuel Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ you are a fool and did not read what i wrote , i was refering to an incident two years ago and yes the police unprovoked through rocks into every window ”
thankyou for clarifying about the "incident".. i know understand you are referring to an event from 2 years ago..see comment 117
you are a wise man mr annonymous.
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Jun 08, 2009 at 06:00 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ sick!! last i checked it was ossur to cause someone to bleed on shabbos (as these protesters did by throwing rocks at the police). ”
i wuz there n the rocks n fires were after shabbos
the unprovoked attacks by those animals makes me wonder if we would b better off w/ a palistinian state
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Jun 08, 2009 at 05:57 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ i love this...how come i don't see all the rebes out that promote this- protesting??. these are very bored people who do nothing with their lives-who talk and dress the walk but don't actually walk the walk and talk. sick people! they are the complete opposite of "chassidish"....an embarrassment to judaism as a whole ”
your hate of chabbos is a bigger embaressment!
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Jun 08, 2009 at 05:55 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ garantee they did not get their instructions from daas torah you protest peacefully and be heard what the gaass is waiting for is to call us extremists and other names that are not descriptions of frum yidden ”
it wuz peaceful till the Anti-semetic police showed up
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Jun 09, 2009 at 01:39 AM a yid Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ If all non-Hareidi emigrate from Yerushalayim tomorrow morning at 7 a.m., what will become of every man-woman-child left in EY? My grandfather left the Old City to come to America in early 1900s because his mother and cousin had starved to death.
It took the incoming of the zionistim to make the desert bloom, to work as laborers to pave the mud into roads, to build the modern clean hospitals. My uncles and aunts moved back as shomer ha-dati religious zionists who keep shabos while serving in the IDF.
Fathers who teach their Jewish sons to throw stones at Jewish police??? Can YOU disfigure the face of a policeman who has an honest job to keep safety in your neighborhood in America??? Can YOU throw a rock to hit a policeman's head and cause him to go into a coma and die???
Disgusting. I disown these people. NOT MY PEOPLE. Shanda, shanda, shanda.
If they are YOUR PEOPLE, how will you repair the evil they are teaching their sons? ”
in 1900 the zionists were there already so why did they have to leave?
one the first good hospitals was chardei build in yurshalayim with dr. wallach as its head.
jewish people teaching to desecrate the shobbos? teaching against hashem,the torah,their parents and grandparents? jewish people, calling their brethren, who came out of the Holocaust "soap" ,"sheep who go to their slaughter" ,who say one cow in Palestine is more then the European jewry! jews who cut off their brothers payis and force them to go against the torah! jews who kill other jews!
jewish police ??? jewish police was a shanda word in the last 100 or so years it was the yesvetzka in Russia the capos in eourpe and so on. we always suffered the most from our own.
anyway did u see any rock throwing? or u just believe the propaganda of the media, while the pic. and video, show otherwise?
disgusting! yes u have disowned g-d the thorah and our people a long time ago
shanda shanda shanda!
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Jun 09, 2009 at 01:18 AM a yid Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ They are NOT brutal to jews... They actually hate to come to the Chareidy protests... They are warned beforehand that they can't do this and can't do that... That's whay there are B"H no dead people.... They wish that they could be at an arab protest where they can do do what-ever pleases them.... I know this because I worked with them at some time. ”
1) unfortunately in the past, more then one jew was killed by such protests under their brutality! they were eidle jews who would never think to touch a cop not to mention throwing any stones (btw they still use the tactic of just grabbing any bystander or walker by,- who didn't know yet that they need to run for their life even tough they were just by standers-and knock the ....out of him including miners and woman.
2) by a protest of a few thousand arabs they get hurt real time, not 8 people who are treated on the spot (a bandage for their booboo)
3)when they go out to an arab protest they are warned much more even when their life is in real danger they are very limited, they are treated with silk gloves (unless when they think that they are off camera)
p.s.
why did u stop working with them ? or do u still...?