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Dozens of protesters were arrested by Israeli police
The court placed restrictions on the six. One is a minor, and three others are foreign citizens.
Police sources said they agreed to release the suspects in order to lower tension in the capital.
Demonstrators burned garbage bins in the Mea Shearim area while the court met around mid-day, though the violence quieted down quickly.
Even though the police did not present the court with clear evidence of the six's involvement in the riots, the police stated they intended to file indictments against all six on charges including blocking the street, endangering the public and stone-throwing.
The judge ordered the six to stay out of the center of town for the next three weeks, and they each posted bonds of NIS 3,000 to NIS 6,000. The judge did not require them to turn in their passports, as the police had requested.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 09:06 PM ger Says:
I can not believe VIN posts this crap!!!!
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Jun 07, 2009 at 09:16 PM Anonymous Says:
All this over a parking lot. Yiden gone meshuger. It must be something in the water.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 09:13 PM Dovid Says:
Hooligans. Send them to Gaza. They do not support the state or pay taxes but want to control it.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 08:48 PM tzedek tzedek tirdof Says:
"the police stated they intended to file indictments against all six"
thats the biggest problem with the tziyonish shtadt. in any sane just country, there exists a separation of powers. police should have no right to indict anyone. that is the job of the prosecutors office, which is supposed to be independent from the cops
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Jun 07, 2009 at 09:24 PM Anonymous Says:
“ All this over a parking lot. Yiden gone meshuger. It must be something in the water. ”
not over a parking lot but over hashem youve gone crazy it must be something in the internet
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Jun 07, 2009 at 09:23 PM Anonymous Says:
Why didn't they simply deport these3 foreign dreche yidden rather than releasing them to riot again??
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Jun 07, 2009 at 10:41 PM Anonymous Says:
Everyone in brooklyn a bunch of big talkers I guess you guys forgot about the riot in front of shicks bakery how many people threw rocks at the police and there cars why for some old stubborn fortz of a man that was 100% wrong you guys are all worth your $$$!
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Jun 07, 2009 at 10:28 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Why didn't they simply deport these3 foreign dreche yidden rather than releasing them to riot again?? ”
Riot Again?? They didn't do anything except be in the wrong place when some Shaygitz Israeli cop decided to arrest them. If you watched the Israeli news videos you would see that the Yidden never lifted a hand against the Chalerye cops. The cops were rioting; swinging fists and batons indiscriminately! You are an anti-semite!!
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Jun 07, 2009 at 10:27 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Why didn't they simply deport these3 foreign dreche yidden rather than releasing them to riot again?? ”
Um, because they haven't been convicted of anything?
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Jun 07, 2009 at 10:12 PM karma dude Says:
How much chillul shabbos did this pogrom cause? Food for thought.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 10:06 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Hooligans. Send them to Gaza. They do not support the state or pay taxes but want to control it. ”
You are sooooo right but for that reason a lot of yidden in brooklyn should be expelled
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Jun 07, 2009 at 09:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ "the police stated they intended to file indictments against all six"
thats the biggest problem with the tziyonish shtadt. in any sane just country, there exists a separation of powers. police should have no right to indict anyone. that is the job of the prosecutors office, which is supposed to be independent from the cops ”
They meant press CHARGES, thereby assuring an indictment is handed down by the Prosecutor's office. The police did not abuse their power in this matter. The police must retain order in the streets, or else it would be impossible for tzedek, tzedek to be followed. All you'll have is tirdof, lunatics pursuing others.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 09:51 PM Little Masmid Says:
Why are "yidden" being mechallel shabbos in order to shut down a parking garage? Go learn a blatt gemora and demonstrate on wed. I was not aware that throwing stones was an approved shabbos activity.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 09:51 PM janosbacsi Says:
#5 youre deeply disturbed with using hashem for everything that suites youre purpose you a shoite thousand times over and tottaly out of touch with reality youre in a fantasy land of youre own di shoite vus dibist
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Jun 07, 2009 at 09:27 PM Anonymous Says:
I was there at more than one protest, the police are the ones rioting and hitting provoking the attendees to try to stop the uncontrollable uniformed animals.
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Jun 07, 2009 at 11:14 PM disturb Says:
“ #5 youre deeply disturbed with using hashem for everything that suites youre purpose you a shoite thousand times over and tottaly out of touch with reality youre in a fantasy land of youre own di shoite vus dibist ”
It's about your reply to number 5. Our gedolim have for years fought every obstacle to keep Yerushalyim really kedushadig. One parking lot will bring another and the rest is history
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Jun 08, 2009 at 02:50 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Hooligans. Send them to Gaza. They do not support the state or pay taxes but want to control it. ”
A- this people were there before the zionist b- they are the beauty of jerusalem with out them the city will loose his shine
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Jun 08, 2009 at 01:52 AM varmint Says:
If these had been Arabs throwing rocks at the police they would have been shot. That's because throwing rocks, especially in a gang, is assault with a deadly weapon if not attempted murder. If these schmucks want to act like terrorists they should be treated like terrorists.
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Jun 08, 2009 at 12:40 AM shloimy in jerusalem Says:
Well to begin with the stone's where mutza. And yes rabonim did commend to go out and protest. And the chilul shabes is dune by people coming to shop on shabes and not by protesters. We are obligated to protest.
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Jun 08, 2009 at 12:15 AM Anonymous Says:
Dear Disturb:
In Yerushalayim, our gedolim have fought with words. Others less holy have fought with uzis and blood. Because of BOTH, am yisrael chai.
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Jun 08, 2009 at 07:09 AM Dag Says:
If the protest organizers are against the rioting, they should be all for prosecuting the offenders who gave the peaceful protestors a bad name.
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Jun 08, 2009 at 06:56 AM michali Says:
“ Riot Again?? They didn't do anything except be in the wrong place when some Shaygitz Israeli cop decided to arrest them. If you watched the Israeli news videos you would see that the Yidden never lifted a hand against the Chalerye cops. The cops were rioting; swinging fists and batons indiscriminately! You are an anti-semite!! ”
THat's not true. I watched the video and i saw a yid (I refuse to call him a chassid) hit a police officer. I also saw yidden talk disrespectfully to police officers. Here in the USA, you would be arrested for disrespecting an officer.
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Jun 08, 2009 at 07:46 AM SimchaB Says:
Reply to #22. There is no such crime as disrespecting an officer. The Israeli police are notorious brutes who for decades have delighted in pummeling, clubbing and charging on horseback into crowds of peaceful Haredi demonstrators, thus inevitably provoking some minimal response to their brutality. They can then claim that the Haredim were rioting. The anti-religious media gleefully cooperates, only showing the Haredi response to the police brutality. See the incident reported on VIN yesterday about from Passaic, wher the cop cruelly beats a man sitting at a street corner. Now they plan to indict the victim. Same pattern as in Yerushalayim.
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Jun 08, 2009 at 08:01 AM Anonymous Says:
I can't believe what I'm reading from frum jews! these peapole were moser nefesh for kovod shabbos and all u have to say is bad about them?! where is ur kovod shobbos??!! the badat"z told them to do this for kvoid shomaim how dare u critisize them!?!
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Jun 08, 2009 at 08:59 AM egghead Says:
“ THat's not true. I watched the video and i saw a yid (I refuse to call him a chassid) hit a police officer. I also saw yidden talk disrespectfully to police officers. Here in the USA, you would be arrested for disrespecting an officer. ”
Wow, this is one accusations I will not tolerate, talking disrespectful to a police officer I really can't believed it happened, do you have evidence to back up your claim?...... I mean how stupid and narrow minded can people on this site be?....
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Jun 08, 2009 at 08:56 AM Anonymous Says:
“ THat's not true. I watched the video and i saw a yid (I refuse to call him a chassid) hit a police officer. I also saw yidden talk disrespectfully to police officers. Here in the USA, you would be arrested for disrespecting an officer. ”
and look at the rest of the video the police were hitting alot more. your giving 2 examples what about the rest of the video where the police were hitting.
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Jun 08, 2009 at 08:54 AM Dag Says:
“ I can't believe what I'm reading from frum jews! these peapole were moser nefesh for kovod shabbos and all u have to say is bad about them?! where is ur kovod shobbos??!! the badat"z told them to do this for kvoid shomaim how dare u critisize them!?! ”
If they are willing to be Moser Nefesh, they should be willing to take the legal consequences of their actions.
It amazes me that Chardeim make the same discredited claims about Israeli security and police forces that the Palestinians made….
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Jun 08, 2009 at 10:05 AM peace Says:
please don't argue with each other like this over the internet instead learn and daven that these people who want to desecrate the holy sabbath wont succeed
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Jun 08, 2009 at 10:53 AM Anonymous Says:
When a video or testimony comes to light describing the abuse by police or soldiers of Arabs, people start saying that it is some sort of "leftish" rubbish, an invention to discredit the police and army. But when Jews throwing rocks and soiled diapers are arrested, and there are claims of brutality, these must be believed instantly.
I don't understand the double standard.
Yes the police do act on occasion in a illegitimate way, towards both Jews and Arabs. This does not on the other hand justify throwing rocks or soiled diapers randomly at people, and does not justify lighting fires, which endanger innocent lives.
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Jun 08, 2009 at 10:47 AM Yossi Says:
“ All this over a parking lot. Yiden gone meshuger. It must be something in the water. ”
What do you think that the Rosh Beth Din of Eide Hachreidis and Harav Eliyshev and all Gdoyle Yisroel dontunderstand the poroblem as you do? Yidden have NOT gone Meshuga..Its you who sits on the internet and making stupid comments like the one you wrote..You are Meshuga...Yidden have an obligation to follow the Ziknei Huam,Talmidei Chachumim,Marbitzei Torah who call to demonstrate this terrible chilil shabbos in the heart of Mukoim Hamikdash Yerishulaim iyr hakodesh.....Please relax your fingers from typing and let your brains do the thinking....
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Jun 08, 2009 at 11:34 AM Anonymous Says:
The corrupted uneducated Israeli police officers act like wild geese in a loose garden.. By each and every demonstration they would start hitting and whipping on the people with clubs and batons, they have no pity on small kids and women, and would treat innocent bystanders the same way as they do to the demonstrators.
I was there twice by well managed and organized protests. and all of sudden the officers have gone wild.
Yes, after they brutally hit tens of people, and arrested almost a dozen, some kids went and set some garbage cans on fire.
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Jun 08, 2009 at 03:23 PM Milhouse Says:
“ When a video or testimony comes to light describing the abuse by police or soldiers of Arabs, people start saying that it is some sort of "leftish" rubbish, an invention to discredit the police and army. But when Jews throwing rocks and soiled diapers are arrested, and there are claims of brutality, these must be believed instantly.
I don't understand the double standard.
Yes the police do act on occasion in a illegitimate way, towards both Jews and Arabs. This does not on the other hand justify throwing rocks or soiled diapers randomly at people, and does not justify lighting fires, which endanger innocent lives. ”
The "double standard" is very obvious. When you're dealing with murderous Arabs, violence is justified. When you're dealing with yidden defending their rights, it is not. The problem is not a "double standard" but a false equivalence.
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Jun 08, 2009 at 03:20 PM Milhouse Says:
“ If they are willing to be Moser Nefesh, they should be willing to take the legal consequences of their actions.
It amazes me that Chardeim make the same discredited claims about Israeli security and police forces that the Palestinians made….
”
Discredited? The Israeli police are, by and large, thugs. They will beat up anyone who stands in their way, whether yidden or goyim. They're like rottweilers; when they attack burglars they're doing good, and when they attack babies they're doing bad, but their nature is the same. Look at what happened in Amona; the police rioted, and when the boys on the roof threw rocks to defend those below, the police played victim.
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Jun 08, 2009 at 03:16 PM Milhouse Says:
“ THat's not true. I watched the video and i saw a yid (I refuse to call him a chassid) hit a police officer. I also saw yidden talk disrespectfully to police officers. Here in the USA, you would be arrested for disrespecting an officer. ”
Liar. In the USA the first amendment protects our right to disrespect the police, and any policeman who admitted to arresting someone for disrespecting him would immediately face a Bivens suit and lose his house. Of course what they do is lie, and claim the arrest was for something else; but that just makes them criminals and perjurers.
There is no reason why a policeman deserves respect just for wearing a uniform. His own behaviour determines whether people will respect him or not.
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Jun 08, 2009 at 03:39 PM Shmuel Says:
“ The corrupted uneducated Israeli police officers act like wild geese in a loose garden.. By each and every demonstration they would start hitting and whipping on the people with clubs and batons, they have no pity on small kids and women, and would treat innocent bystanders the same way as they do to the demonstrators.
I was there twice by well managed and organized protests. and all of sudden the officers have gone wild.
Yes, after they brutally hit tens of people, and arrested almost a dozen, some kids went and set some garbage cans on fire. ”
for guys who study talmud all day these charedim dont seem too smart.... why would unarmed yeshiva guys go head to head with armed israeli policemen who carry batons especially if as they say they are "brutal"...and to top it off these "geniuses" bring women and children to these events ...in my book that seems pretty dumb to bring women and children to these demonstrations.... ( i suspect the isareli police are more kind and balanced than you will admit...if you provoke them they will bite back)....when you go to "well managed and organized protests" next time use some "seichel".....also keep women and children at home..
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Jun 08, 2009 at 10:22 PM Anonymous Says:
Daas Torah heipach daas ball habais
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Jun 09, 2009 at 02:50 AM Anonymous Says:
“ The "double standard" is very obvious. When you're dealing with murderous Arabs, violence is justified. When you're dealing with yidden defending their rights, it is not. The problem is not a "double standard" but a false equivalence. ”
Oh I see, so if your an Arab, then by definition you are murderous, and violence against you is wholly legitimate. But if your a Yid, even if you are throwing rocks and diapers, by definition you are legitimately defending your rights and any violence used against you is illegitimate.
If people are protesting in a calm and peaceful way, then any violence against them is wrong, whether they are Yidden or Goyim. And if the Israeli police are infamous for brutality, and any protest by frum Yidden is likely to end in violence, then perhaps large protests are not such a good idea. They certainly don't sanctify HaShem's Name, while they certainly cause many decent, searching Yidden, to conclude that Yiddishkeit is not for them.
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Jun 09, 2009 at 02:30 PM from jerusalem Says:
1) Not all rabbonim endorsed this event. This was organized and led by the Eida. Period. Who said R’ Elyashiv had anything to do with this? Please don’t make up information. I live in Jerusalem, heard the Ram Kols, saw all the papers that littered the streets. If R’ Elyashiv would have endorsed this, I would have heard about it. No one would keep such info secret or wouldn’t use it to get more people to come.
2) The chareidim in the municipality agreed that under the circumstances, keeping the parking lot open on shabbos, was the best way to avoid as much chillul shabbos as possible.
3) You can’t have your cake and eat it too. If you don’t want to be part of the govt., won’t even vote in people that you trust, then you can expect that the council members. Even of the chareidi community will not reflect all your opinions.
4) The police tried to prevent this protest. There was no permit for it. 10, 000 people with no permit, and yes, there will be riot police. Regardless of their behavior, if not for the police there may have been many injuries, just from the crush. By the way, swinging batons and using water cannons is accepted crowd control in every Western country.
5) I saw the helicopters and the police cars( from apt.) . I didn’t watch the actual event because it is not for me so I ran away to the other side of town. I’m not sure of the extent, but I do know that there was plenty chillul shabbos just for this protest. Police, press, arrests, security enforcements, and ironically, moving all the cars out of the parking lot which would have been managed by non-Jews according to the proposed plan, but now was done by Jewish police.
6) Police were hurt. One had a rock thrown at his head and had to be hospitalized. “There has yet to be a person who has become shomer shabbos from having a rock thrown at him.” I’m not sure who said this, I’m sorry. If people cared about shemiras shabbos, they would see to have their lives seen as darchei noam, at the very very least. And for those that the least is not enough, they would invite secular people in to their homes to partake in “Shabbes!” (If I would have the same heter as some of the protestors, to somehow do away with inconvenient halachos on shabbos, I would attach an audio clip of the clarion call. )
7) Many people went for very unholy reasons. One friend of mine belongs to a chassidus where the Rebbe explicitly said that attendance was forbidden. She told me her husband was going. Making myself sound naïve, I asked if it wasn’t true that the Rebbe didn’t allow it. I gave my whole speech about how unconstructive these things are, no one is getting hisorerus in shabbos from a mob, blah, blah…. She gave me the very best reason I ever heard to be part of a chillul hashem, “He doesn’t go because of anything serious. He just likes being part of the matzav.” Drop me a line if you hear a better one than this.
8) Please don’t judge the many by the few. On the one hand, I’m chareidi and was utterly disgusted by what I saw. I wish there was a way of unseeing what I saw and unreading what was going on in the press. Not just by secular publications, but by Reuters, Al Jazeera, etc. The chillul hashem is bad enough. Be aware that this does not represent mainstream Judaism. Even if there is no way to undo the harm that these things cause in the chiloni mind, as a frum Jew, remember, this is not the derech hamelech. This is fanaticism. On the other hand, even the Eida is not responsible for what went on, as it was just a few hooligans that totally lost control. The Gaaved wouldn’t throw a rock. It takes a tremendous amound of sinas chinam and violence to do such a thing. But protests give people the opportunity to say words of hate, and do acts of violence that would otherwise be intolerable. Should still be intolerable but somehow is still more acceptable to put people in danger and stink up your own neighborhoods by burning garbages than challila v’chas, to vote or watch a game of baseball.
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Jun 10, 2009 at 06:14 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Oh I see, so if your an Arab, then by definition you are murderous, and violence against you is wholly legitimate. But if your a Yid, even if you are throwing rocks and diapers, by definition you are legitimately defending your rights and any violence used against you is illegitimate.
If people are protesting in a calm and peaceful way, then any violence against them is wrong, whether they are Yidden or Goyim. And if the Israeli police are infamous for brutality, and any protest by frum Yidden is likely to end in violence, then perhaps large protests are not such a good idea. They certainly don't sanctify HaShem's Name, while they certainly cause many decent, searching Yidden, to conclude that Yiddishkeit is not for them. ”
Arab demonstrators are almost always violent, and any police action against them should be presumed to be justified. Jews are not by their nature violent, and the history of these protests is that the brutal Israeli police attack peaceful protesters and some fight back in self defense. That's how it is.
In addition, when a yid is accused of wrongdoing we must presume him innocent until we have proof otherwise. An Arab is not entitled to that same presumption.
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Jul 16, 2009 at 04:17 PM Reb Nati rom www.mpaths,com Says:
It is wrong for the police to use the foruce i saw today but we are standing there asking for it Hashem help us!