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Israel - A small group of haredi protesters wearing yellow stars demonstrated outside Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's speech at Bar-Ilan University on Sunday night.
The protesters, who included small children, hoisted signs of US President Barack Obama in a keffiyeh. The slogans on the signs emphasized the president's middle name, Hussein, and warned of the dangers of a Palestinian state.
National Union MKs also protested, calling for Netanyahu to remember that he was elected by Israelis and not appointed by Obama.
There were also left-wing demonstrators from Peace Now and American left-wing groups.
Netanyahu received applause 15 times from the right-wing audience at Bar-Ilan University on Sunday night, including when he called for the formation of a Palestinian state.
The crowd included a mix of many crocheted-kippa wearers and ambassadors from around the world. There were also reporters there broadcasting to international audiences.
Netanyahu initially invited the entire Likud faction and all the government ministers to attend the speech, but due to the limited space in the room, he told the MKs that they did not have to come.
The speech was attended by ministers Yaakov Neeman and Michael Eitan, deputy ministers Gila Gamliel and Ayoub Kara, Likud MK Danny Danon and Labor faction chairman Daniel Ben-Simon.
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Jun 14, 2009 at 07:45 PM Anonymous Says:
Bibi might be more inclined to care about their opinion if they wore green uniforms for awhile before the yellow stars.
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Jun 14, 2009 at 08:41 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Bibi might be more inclined to care about their opinion if they wore green uniforms for awhile before the yellow stars. ”
How do you know they didn't? And what has one to do with the other?
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Jun 14, 2009 at 09:30 PM Anonymous Says:
“ How do you know they didn't? And what has one to do with the other? ”
Why should he take into consideration the opinions of Charaidim who are ready to defend the settlements until the last dead chiloni? That would be as absurd as anyone caring about the opinion of hot-shot Americans who are ready to fight until the last dead Israeli.
It's easy to be a tough guy on national defense when it isn't your 18 year old kid who is expected to be ready to trade in his perfect-fit shidduch suit for a one-size-fits-all bodybag to defend your big ideas.
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Jun 14, 2009 at 11:34 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Why should he take into consideration the opinions of Charaidim who are ready to defend the settlements until the last dead chiloni? That would be as absurd as anyone caring about the opinion of hot-shot Americans who are ready to fight until the last dead Israeli.
It's easy to be a tough guy on national defense when it isn't your 18 year old kid who is expected to be ready to trade in his perfect-fit shidduch suit for a one-size-fits-all bodybag to defend your big ideas. ”
It's not their opinion, it's the Torah's opinion. And the land belongs to every Jew, no matter where in the world he lives. I repeat, though, what makes you think they didn't serve?
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Jun 14, 2009 at 11:26 PM dovy Says:
These are not charedim but national religous and the post knows it and deliberately distorts the facts! Anyways, another chilul Hashem by nationalist extremists.
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Jun 15, 2009 at 06:49 AM melech Says:
“ Why should he take into consideration the opinions of Charaidim who are ready to defend the settlements until the last dead chiloni? That would be as absurd as anyone caring about the opinion of hot-shot Americans who are ready to fight until the last dead Israeli.
It's easy to be a tough guy on national defense when it isn't your 18 year old kid who is expected to be ready to trade in his perfect-fit shidduch suit for a one-size-fits-all bodybag to defend your big ideas. ”
They ARE defending the settlements through learning Torah, which is just as important as the physical battle -do you really think that our strength comes from manpower?
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Jun 15, 2009 at 04:59 AM me Says:
“ These are not charedim but national religous and the post knows it and deliberately distorts the facts! Anyways, another chilul Hashem by nationalist extremists. ”
So any time someone who disagrees with you voices their non-violent opinion it's chillul Hashem? You have a really funny take on democracy and the restriction of freedom of speech. You must be a liberal.
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Jun 15, 2009 at 04:57 AM me Says:
If they looked like the guys that were at the anti chillul Shabbos rally, they're charedim, if not their right wing nationalists, not chareidim.
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Jun 15, 2009 at 07:09 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Why should he take into consideration the opinions of Charaidim who are ready to defend the settlements until the last dead chiloni? That would be as absurd as anyone caring about the opinion of hot-shot Americans who are ready to fight until the last dead Israeli.
It's easy to be a tough guy on national defense when it isn't your 18 year old kid who is expected to be ready to trade in his perfect-fit shidduch suit for a one-size-fits-all bodybag to defend your big ideas. ”
So you think that making peace with your arab sworn enemies peace will be at hand and the eighteen year old and twenty and sixty etc... will live happily forever after.
Don't be naive we just expelled thousands of Jews from Gush Katif and what we got is Hamas in Gaza and endless Katushas. What these arabs did understand was the Iron fist of Tzahal in the cast lead operation. Wake up and smell the coffee. Unfortunately you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that a palestinian state will bring much sorrow for the state of Israel and many Jews.
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Jun 15, 2009 at 09:59 AM Raphael Kaufman Says:
“ They ARE defending the settlements through learning Torah, which is just as important as the physical battle -do you really think that our strength comes from manpower? ”
Our defense relies on both physical and spiritual strength. Soldiers in the field need the Siyata d'Shemaya created by those who remain in the batei medrashim learning Torah. Provided, of course, that they are actually learning and not sleeping late, drinking coffee, schmoozing, etc. During the 1973 war, R'Elya Lopian ZTL got some flak for addressing a kol korei to the bachurim the the effect that their brothers were fighting and dying for them and they'd better be in the beis medrash and not on the street or in coffee shops. Soldiering is an exhausting twenty four hour per day, seven day per week job. Those whose job it is to provide the spiritual resources that soldiers need have to put in the same time and effort
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Jun 15, 2009 at 04:14 PM Anonymous Says:
“ It's not their opinion, it's the Torah's opinion. And the land belongs to every Jew, no matter where in the world he lives. I repeat, though, what makes you think they didn't serve? ”
It is not the Torah's opinion. It is at best the Torah's opinion in YOUR opinion.
If they are Hesder or similar frum people who have kids live's on the line than Bibi should take their opinion into account. If they are a bunch who know how best other people's children should defend the country Bibi should keep ignoring them. In my opinion.
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Jun 15, 2009 at 04:38 PM Anonymous Says:
“ So you think that making peace with your arab sworn enemies peace will be at hand and the eighteen year old and twenty and sixty etc... will live happily forever after.
Don't be naive we just expelled thousands of Jews from Gush Katif and what we got is Hamas in Gaza and endless Katushas. What these arabs did understand was the Iron fist of Tzahal in the cast lead operation. Wake up and smell the coffee. Unfortunately you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that a palestinian state will bring much sorrow for the state of Israel and many Jews. ”
I didn't offer an opinion on whether or not this or any other idea will bring peace. There are dangers no matter the direction in which the gov't chooses to proceed.
Since neither I nor my sons are likely to be in combat units any time soon to deal with the results of a policy failure c"v, offering any opinion on the subject would be height of arrogance to offer my opinion.
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Jun 15, 2009 at 05:41 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Our defense relies on both physical and spiritual strength. Soldiers in the field need the Siyata d'Shemaya created by those who remain in the batei medrashim learning Torah. Provided, of course, that they are actually learning and not sleeping late, drinking coffee, schmoozing, etc. During the 1973 war, R'Elya Lopian ZTL got some flak for addressing a kol korei to the bachurim the the effect that their brothers were fighting and dying for them and they'd better be in the beis medrash and not on the street or in coffee shops. Soldiering is an exhausting twenty four hour per day, seven day per week job. Those whose job it is to provide the spiritual resources that soldiers need have to put in the same time and effort ”
That's why I've proposed that the military set up yeshivos where young men will learn in uniform, subject to military discipline. If learning torah is a legitimate form of defense service, then the IDF should take it just as seriously as it does all other forms of service. Don't give yeshivah guys exemptions, draft them, put them in uniform, and put them in front of a gemoro. If they're suited for that form of service, that is. If their aptitudes are honestly more suited for another line of work, then let them do that, provided that it's in an appropriate environment for a ben torah.
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Jun 15, 2009 at 06:34 PM Anonymous Says:
“ That's why I've proposed that the military set up yeshivos where young men will learn in uniform, subject to military discipline. If learning torah is a legitimate form of defense service, then the IDF should take it just as seriously as it does all other forms of service. Don't give yeshivah guys exemptions, draft them, put them in uniform, and put them in front of a gemoro. If they're suited for that form of service, that is. If their aptitudes are honestly more suited for another line of work, then let them do that, provided that it's in an appropriate environment for a ben torah. ”
Why should bnai torah wear a uniform?
Is being in yeshiva like being on a color war team or some other such foolishness???
Would you like them to wear tzvos hashem yarmalkas and chant yechi too?
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Jun 15, 2009 at 11:17 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Why should bnai torah wear a uniform?
Is being in yeshiva like being on a color war team or some other such foolishness???
Would you like them to wear tzvos hashem yarmalkas and chant yechi too?
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For the same reason every other member of Tzahal wears a uniform. If they are part of the defense effort then they should look the part. The IDF is hardly foolishness. And yes, I would like them to wear Tzivos Hashem yarmulkes - when the IDF can truly be called Tzeva Hashem.
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Jun 16, 2009 at 07:18 PM Anonymous Says:
“ For the same reason every other member of Tzahal wears a uniform. If they are part of the defense effort then they should look the part. The IDF is hardly foolishness. And yes, I would like them to wear Tzivos Hashem yarmulkes - when the IDF can truly be called Tzeva Hashem. ”
So maybe you want the army to wear navy uniforms and the navy should wear air force uniforms?
Yeshiva bochrim have a uniform that fits their role just fine.
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Jun 17, 2009 at 12:38 AM Milhouse Says:
“ So maybe you want the army to wear navy uniforms and the navy should wear air force uniforms?
Yeshiva bochrim have a uniform that fits their role just fine. ”
They should wear the uniform the IDF tells them to wear. If the military wants to design a new uniform for yeshivos, that's its business. Who cares about the design?
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Jun 17, 2009 at 08:24 AM Anonymous Says:
Why the H*** should the IDF decide what yeshiva bochrim wear?
Makes as much sense (maybe even less) than roshai yeshiva deciding what each branch of the armed services should wear.
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Jun 17, 2009 at 04:48 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Why the H*** should the IDF decide what yeshiva bochrim wear?
Makes as much sense (maybe even less) than roshai yeshiva deciding what each branch of the armed services should wear. ”
OK, you're either not paying attention, or an idiot. Do you have any idea what we're talking about?
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Jun 18, 2009 at 10:38 AM Anonymous Says:
“ OK, you're either not paying attention, or an idiot. Do you have any idea what we're talking about? ”
Still with the name-calling and insults?
Shouldn't a person your age grow up already?
If you cannot defend the idea of the IDF designing uniforms for yeshiva bochrim and roshai yeshiva designing uniforms for chayalim, maybe your idea wasn't so good to begin with and you should just drop it instead of insulting everyone who disagrees with you.
This isn't the first time VIN readers have seen you offer ideas that were not fully thought out and then get nasty and angry with those who pointed out the flaws in your idea.
Darchihah darchai noam. Or do you disagree with that idea too? Will you also start insulting the person who authored those words?
Getting nasty just proves you are wrong and are not mature enough to admit it.
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Jun 25, 2009 at 02:55 PM Anonymous Says:
“ These are not charedim but national religous and the post knows it and deliberately distorts the facts! Anyways, another chilul Hashem by nationalist extremists. ”
As long as there are no violence there is no chillul hashem in rallying against Netanyahu. That is called democracy. 2. All religious people are against giving and land of israel to other nations (can't include NK). If there is no religious claim to the land of israel, then one does not care if any part of israel is given to the arabs. 3. Even if you don't care about religious claims to Israel, practically speaking every time Israel gave land to the Palestinans there have been more terror and violence towards israel. Doesn't that give you enough of a reason to realize that creating a palestinian state does not solve any solution?