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Jun 18, 2009 at 08:17 PM
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The agreement was only cemented recently with the authorization of the State of Israel. For whatever reason, the proceedings were repeatedly postponed until now.
According to the report, Rabbi Gruzman, who has been involved from the beginning with all parties involved, finally had two key conversations with the ministers involved, resulting in the signing of the request to Japan’s ambassador to Israel.
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Jun 18, 2009 at 09:07 PM Anonymous Says:
Does this mean Japan has agreed to send them back to EY to serve their time if they are convicted or only that they will consider such a request? Also, does this imply that they will accept the Japanese version of a "plea agreement" with the understanding that they will have to serve a certain number of years in prison but the sentence can be served in EY?
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Jun 18, 2009 at 09:04 PM Anonymous Says:
Boruch Hashem, I hope their families will be able to see them and they will get out of prison soon. Maybe Israel could do this for Jonathan Pollard too?
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Jun 18, 2009 at 08:30 PM Ada Moseson Says:
It's Rabbi Yitzchak Dovid Grossman who is Rabbi of MIgdal Ohr in Migdal Ha'Emek.
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Jun 18, 2009 at 09:56 PM Michale Says:
“ It's Rabbi Yitzchak Dovid Grossman who is Rabbi of MIgdal Ohr in Migdal Ha'Emek. ”
Is he a lubavitcher?
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Jun 18, 2009 at 10:17 PM Anonymous Says:
“ It's Rabbi Yitzchak Dovid Grossman who is Rabbi of MIgdal Ohr in Migdal Ha'Emek. ”
Yes to number 3 and 4
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Jun 18, 2009 at 10:16 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Is he a lubavitcher? ”
B"H yes!
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Jun 18, 2009 at 09:45 PM Anonymous Says:
“ It's Rabbi Yitzchak Dovid Grossman who is Rabbi of MIgdal Ohr in Migdal Ha'Emek. ”
You are confused. Rav Yitzi Gruzman is a different rebbe from Rav Grossman. Rav Grossman is not involved in this matter with the Justice ministry.
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Jun 18, 2009 at 10:22 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Is he a lubavitcher? ”
why do you care?!
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Jun 18, 2009 at 10:21 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Yes to number 3 and 4 ”
He's a Lulaver chosid not a Lubavitcher.
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Jun 18, 2009 at 09:35 PM Bunimfrombrooklyn Says:
Just daven for them. The whole story is sickening
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Jun 18, 2009 at 09:26 PM Possibility Says:
“ Boruch Hashem, I hope their families will be able to see them and they will get out of prison soon. Maybe Israel could do this for Jonathan Pollard too? ”
If they can't free Jonathan could the lawyer advocate house arrest? Is that a possiblility?
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Jun 18, 2009 at 09:28 PM Anonymous Says:
My understanding is that this also means no appeal. It is stay in Japan during appeals or agree to no appeals and serve the time allotted in Israel
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Jun 18, 2009 at 11:43 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Is he a lubavitcher? ”
No.
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Jun 18, 2009 at 11:41 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Boruch Hashem, I hope their families will be able to see them and they will get out of prison soon. Maybe Israel could do this for Jonathan Pollard too? ”
I also hope families will learn from this. Did they know where their children were going? If not why not?? If yes, and they were told they are doing someone a favor- don't be ignorant.
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Jun 18, 2009 at 11:24 PM Anonymous Says:
Rav Yitzchak Dovid Grossman Shlit"a of Migdal Ha'emek is not a lubavitcher, although he was an uncle of Rebb. Holzberg HY"D who was killed in Mumbai. Who cares anyway? What difference does it make?
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Jun 18, 2009 at 11:22 PM Poisk Says:
“ He's a Lulaver chosid not a Lubavitcher. ”
What difference does it make,that what kind of Chusid? If a Good deed can be done, you do not have to be a chosid at all.
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Jun 18, 2009 at 11:14 PM Anonymous Says:
Is the yong boy in the hard prison already? Anyone has a up-date
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Jun 18, 2009 at 11:04 PM Anonymous Says:
First of I know rav grosman and he has no conection to lubavitch he comes from a yerslayimer mishpacha some were prushim some were kanaim not neturi his father who is one of the gretest in yerushalayim might have come from a chabad somewhere in his life but he is more close to breslev and the prushim but not the agudah the kanaim prushim and yes he is very involved in this case he is an internatinal figure
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Jun 18, 2009 at 11:52 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Is he a lubavitcher? ”
R Grossman is not a Lubav. His father was a rosh yeshivah in L, and his wife is from a L family, so he's close to L, but he's never been one himself.
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Jun 18, 2009 at 10:49 PM sad lonely boy Says:
Hate to add to a sad story however I will the people of china are cruel ruthless they have (I have seen video ) skinned dogs cats & rabbits ALIVE for the fur for the people of USA UK EU so the chasidish lady in bp can have minks it makes me sick in the head. If people can do this to living things tell me I'm the crazy one.BRING THE KIDS HOME!!!!!!! Good night America.
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Jun 19, 2009 at 07:07 AM ShatzMatz Says:
An interesting story just took place in Italy where two Japanese, using a false-bottom suitcase (sound familiar?) tried to smuggle $150,000,000,000 into Switzerland. Perhaps the Jewish community in Italy can lobby to have these two smugglers exchanged for our kids. Perhaps they can serve their time in Cyprus, which is an easy connection to Israel.
I know this is a crazy idea, I just thought that it is an interesting coincidence.
U.S. Says Bonds Seized in Italy Are ‘Clearly Fakes’
By Vincent Del Giudice
June 18 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. government bonds found in the false bottom of a suitcase carried by two Japanese travelers attempting to cross into Switzerland are fake, a Treasury spokesman said.
“They’re clearly fakes,” Stephen Meyerhardt, a spokesman for the U.S. Bureau of the Public Debt in Washington, said yesterday. “That’s beyond the fact that the face value is far beyond what’s out there.”
Italy’s financial police last week said they asked the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission to authenticate the seized bonds, with a face value of $134 billion. Colonel Rodolfo Mecarelli of the Guardia di Finanza in Como, Italy, said the securities, seized in Chiasso, Italy, were probably forgeries.
Meyerhardt said Treasury records show an estimated $105.4 million in bearer bonds have yet to be surrendered. Most matured more than five years ago, he said. The Treasury stopped issuing bearer bonds in 1982, Meyerhardt said.
Had the notes been genuine, the pair would have been the U.S. government’s fourth-biggest creditor, ahead of the U.K. with $128 billion of U.S. debt and just behind Russia, which is owed $138 billion.
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Jun 19, 2009 at 07:12 AM FVNMS Says:
“ Hate to add to a sad story however I will the people of china are cruel ruthless they have (I have seen video ) skinned dogs cats & rabbits ALIVE for the fur for the people of USA UK EU so the chasidish lady in bp can have minks it makes me sick in the head. If people can do this to living things tell me I'm the crazy one.BRING THE KIDS HOME!!!!!!! Good night America. ”
YOu're not the crazy one our just a little mixed up. This is Japan, not China. Now I'm off to buy the Rebbitzen a coat...
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Jun 19, 2009 at 06:03 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Hate to add to a sad story however I will the people of china are cruel ruthless they have (I have seen video ) skinned dogs cats & rabbits ALIVE for the fur for the people of USA UK EU so the chasidish lady in bp can have minks it makes me sick in the head. If people can do this to living things tell me I'm the crazy one.BRING THE KIDS HOME!!!!!!! Good night America. ”
These kids are in Japan, NOT china.
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Jun 19, 2009 at 05:49 AM Big Chiddush Says:
“ I also hope families will learn from this. Did they know where their children were going? If not why not?? If yes, and they were told they are doing someone a favor- don't be ignorant. ”
I think this is already self-understood, how many bachurim have been arrested since this incident occured?
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Jun 19, 2009 at 03:57 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I also hope families will learn from this. Did they know where their children were going? If not why not?? If yes, and they were told they are doing someone a favor- don't be ignorant. ”
Kids don't think like adults. They saw prob a good opportunituy to tour the world. So why would they ask their parents or even tell them. Maybe they just said they where camping on the beach for 3 days. Don't under estimate teenagers. The only way to prevent this is to be close and open with your kids. SHOW LOVE!
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Jun 19, 2009 at 03:01 AM NeveAliza Says:
“ Hate to add to a sad story however I will the people of china are cruel ruthless they have (I have seen video ) skinned dogs cats & rabbits ALIVE for the fur for the people of USA UK EU so the chasidish lady in bp can have minks it makes me sick in the head. If people can do this to living things tell me I'm the crazy one.BRING THE KIDS HOME!!!!!!! Good night America. ”
#20 - What you say about being sick in the head is true. China is not Japan is not Korea is not Vietnam.
#14 - Excellent point. Most people forget the point that these boys thought they were smuggling antiquities not drugs. They knew they where doing something wrong.
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Jun 19, 2009 at 07:27 AM Anonymous Says:
The request was only for the youngest boy who was already convicted and sentenced to 5 to 8 years of penal servitude. The other 2 boys have not had their trial yet. Their trial will be in the summer IY"H and with the help of our tefillos they will be aquitted Be'ezras Hashem. Let me just clarify that this was only a request and was not even received yet by the Japanese who may or may not react. Even if they do agree to transfer the boy it can take 6-12 months. We hope that it will be "vos shneller".
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Jun 19, 2009 at 07:29 AM Anonymous Says:
The request was only for the youngest boy who was already convicted and sentenced to 5 to 8 years of penal servitude. The other 2 boys have not had their trial yet. Their trial will be in the summer IY"H and with the help of our tefillos they will be aquitted Be'ezras Hashem. Let me just clarify that this was only a request and was not even received yet by the Japanese who may or may not react. Even if they do agree to transfer the boy it can take 6-12 months. We hope that it will be "vos shneller".
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Jun 19, 2009 at 08:29 AM The Truth Says:
“ An interesting story just took place in Italy where two Japanese, using a false-bottom suitcase (sound familiar?) tried to smuggle $150,000,000,000 into Switzerland. Perhaps the Jewish community in Italy can lobby to have these two smugglers exchanged for our kids. Perhaps they can serve their time in Cyprus, which is an easy connection to Israel.
I know this is a crazy idea, I just thought that it is an interesting coincidence.
U.S. Says Bonds Seized in Italy Are ‘Clearly Fakes’
By Vincent Del Giudice
June 18 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. government bonds found in the false bottom of a suitcase carried by two Japanese travelers attempting to cross into Switzerland are fake, a Treasury spokesman said.
“They’re clearly fakes,” Stephen Meyerhardt, a spokesman for the U.S. Bureau of the Public Debt in Washington, said yesterday. “That’s beyond the fact that the face value is far beyond what’s out there.”
Italy’s financial police last week said they asked the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission to authenticate the seized bonds, with a face value of $134 billion. Colonel Rodolfo Mecarelli of the Guardia di Finanza in Como, Italy, said the securities, seized in Chiasso, Italy, were probably forgeries.
Meyerhardt said Treasury records show an estimated $105.4 million in bearer bonds have yet to be surrendered. Most matured more than five years ago, he said. The Treasury stopped issuing bearer bonds in 1982, Meyerhardt said.
Had the notes been genuine, the pair would have been the U.S. government’s fourth-biggest creditor, ahead of the U.K. with $128 billion of U.S. debt and just behind Russia, which is owed $138 billion.
”
These things happen the whole time. Do you think that these bocharim were the first to smuggle something in false-bottom suitcases? I'm sure the person who sent these bochrim had done it before too - just some people get caught.
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Jun 19, 2009 at 08:40 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Boruch Hashem, I hope their families will be able to see them and they will get out of prison soon. Maybe Israel could do this for Jonathan Pollard too? ”
That would be like sending Julius Rosenberg to the Soviet Union to complete his "sentence". You really are an original thinker.
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Jun 19, 2009 at 09:18 AM PMO Says:
What these boys did was both stupid and criminal. I think they should make a deal to come clean about what they did and serve their years in an Israeli prison. It will save the Japanese tax payers the cost of another trial, the prosecutor can gloat that he got a confession, and the boys can live a Torah life in prison for 10 years or so. It all seems fair enough to me.
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Jun 19, 2009 at 09:53 AM Milhouse Says:
“ Hate to add to a sad story however I will the people of china are cruel ruthless they have (I have seen video ) skinned dogs cats & rabbits ALIVE for the fur for the people of USA UK EU so the chasidish lady in bp can have minks it makes me sick in the head. If people can do this to living things tell me I'm the crazy one.BRING THE KIDS HOME!!!!!!! Good night America. ”
And what has China got to do with this story?
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Jun 19, 2009 at 10:33 AM moshe Says:
So if this boy comes home what the hell are kupat hair going to do with all the money they have raised. It has been lied that they need over $500,000 even after the trial.
the prisoner transfer cost is very little probably $10,000, there no legal costs involved this is all diplomatic work and all that really costs is a ticket for the boy and 2 Japanese/Israeli policeman to acompany him untill he lands in Israel where he is met by other police and taken to an Israli prison. maybe the money can now be used for the other 2 bocurim whos trial still didnt statr for God knows why?
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Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM eitza geber Says:
Rabbi Grossman is the son of Rabbi Yisroel Grossman Zt"l (he passed away approx a year ago) who was a Rav in Yerushalayim and a Lelover and Karliner Chosid. Rabbi Grossman seniors mother was a Groner related to Rabbi Leibel groner of Lubavitch. the Groner's are originally from Galicia and are not originally Lubavitcher
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Jun 19, 2009 at 10:27 AM kkl Says:
“ The request was only for the youngest boy who was already convicted and sentenced to 5 to 8 years of penal servitude. The other 2 boys have not had their trial yet. Their trial will be in the summer IY"H and with the help of our tefillos they will be aquitted Be'ezras Hashem. Let me just clarify that this was only a request and was not even received yet by the Japanese who may or may not react. Even if they do agree to transfer the boy it can take 6-12 months. We hope that it will be "vos shneller". ”
this is exactly true. some people think that once a request to be transfered to Israel is done he will go home the next day. halevai, but it doesnt work like that. theres lots of baeucracy in Japan and until it reachs the right office to look and deal with the request that alone could take up to 6 month, then the prosecutor has to decide whether his punishment could be served in Israel. if they agree it would still take a long time before he reachs the Holy land.
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Jun 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM Yamamai Says:
“ What these boys did was both stupid and criminal. I think they should make a deal to come clean about what they did and serve their years in an Israeli prison. It will save the Japanese tax payers the cost of another trial, the prosecutor can gloat that he got a confession, and the boys can live a Torah life in prison for 10 years or so. It all seems fair enough to me. ”
Commens likt yours are meant to be posted on jewwatch etc.
Please, stop with your "I daven for him every day" and "here in FL" comments...
Find another blog
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Jun 19, 2009 at 02:27 PM FVNMS Says:
“ Commens likt yours are meant to be posted on jewwatch etc.
Please, stop with your "I daven for him every day" and "here in FL" comments...
Find another blog ”
Thank you! I'm pretty sick of having to roll my eyes every time this winner posts a comment.
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Jun 19, 2009 at 02:24 PM FVNMS Says:
“ What these boys did was both stupid and criminal. I think they should make a deal to come clean about what they did and serve their years in an Israeli prison. It will save the Japanese tax payers the cost of another trial, the prosecutor can gloat that he got a confession, and the boys can live a Torah life in prison for 10 years or so. It all seems fair enough to me. ”
I used to think you had a soft heart and a soft brain. I see only the latter is true. The way you vigorously defend Muslims and antisemites I would have expected some degree of compassion for these kids as well. Shame on you. To make matters worse you taunt both them as well as those of us who value the concept of a "torah life." I have lost whatever pathetic little respect I grudgingly allotted you. You make me sick. Please, convert to Islam and stop embarrassing us.
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Jun 19, 2009 at 03:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I used to think you had a soft heart and a soft brain. I see only the latter is true. The way you vigorously defend Muslims and antisemites I would have expected some degree of compassion for these kids as well. Shame on you. To make matters worse you taunt both them as well as those of us who value the concept of a "torah life." I have lost whatever pathetic little respect I grudgingly allotted you. You make me sick. Please, convert to Islam and stop embarrassing us. ”
So, you are condoning what they did as "Torahdig"?
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Jun 20, 2009 at 02:08 PM moish Says:
“ So if this boy comes home what the hell are kupat hair going to do with all the money they have raised. It has been lied that they need over $500,000 even after the trial.
the prisoner transfer cost is very little probably $10,000, there no legal costs involved this is all diplomatic work and all that really costs is a ticket for the boy and 2 Japanese/Israeli policeman to acompany him untill he lands in Israel where he is met by other police and taken to an Israli prison. maybe the money can now be used for the other 2 bocurim whos trial still didnt statr for God knows why? ”
The halacha is that money raised for pidyon shvuim that is left over is used for other pidyon shvuim.
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Jun 21, 2009 at 09:13 AM PMO Says:
“ I used to think you had a soft heart and a soft brain. I see only the latter is true. The way you vigorously defend Muslims and antisemites I would have expected some degree of compassion for these kids as well. Shame on you. To make matters worse you taunt both them as well as those of us who value the concept of a "torah life." I have lost whatever pathetic little respect I grudgingly allotted you. You make me sick. Please, convert to Islam and stop embarrassing us. ”
What did I say??? These boys will undoubtedly be found guilty (as the first one already has). Why not save everyone the agony of another trial, and just cut a deal? These boys committed a criminal act... one way or another the Japanese will make sure they are in prison. These boys are suffering horribly there. If they can put and end to it and get into an Israeli prison NOW why shouldn't they?
Look at the big picture for heaven's sake!
You seem to be of the very closed-minded belief that they will somehow, through some miracle, be found not guilty. CLEARLY that will not happen. 10 years in an Israeli prison is better than another year or two in a Japanese prison followed by 8 years in an Israeli prison. Get them back to EY NOW!
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Jun 22, 2009 at 12:28 PM awacs Says:
“ So, you are condoning what they did as "Torahdig"? ”
Ma'aseh Avos Siman Labonim? Beraishis 12:14.
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Jun 23, 2009 at 11:08 AM Anon says Says:
To 41 who says Israeli prisons are better than Japanese.