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Orange County, NY - Surrounding Communities Slam Kiryas Joel Pipeline In Newspaper Editorial |
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The pipeline would run 13 miles through many of our communities, causing major disruptions and impact to the environment. Five years ago when the pipeline plan was first submitted, the county went to court challenging the original Final Environmental Impact Statement on the grounds that it was deficient in a number of areas, including any real plan to deal with the increased sewage capacity that would be required.
The court agreed and ordered that the plan needed to address a number of issues, including wastewater, wetlands and population growth. Unfortunately, the court did not seem to take the environmental impact review process seriously and allowed Kiryas Joel to file an amended impact statement that is not subject to further review.
The new amended statement most certainly does not answer the court's questions. In fact, the filing is still plagued with erroneous or missing information and miscalculations.
For example, on sewage, the plan claims that a new filtration system will be installed in the Harriman Sewage Treatment Plant, which will double its capacity, and that all of this new capacity will go to Kiryas Joel. In truth, the county has not yet decided if it will install this very expensive and experimental filtration system,. The most optimistic guesses say it might increase the capacity by 50 percent, not double it. Most egregious is Kiryas Joel's claim that all additional capacity, as well as all of the recent 2 million-gallon expansion of the Harriman plant, should go exclusively to its village.
This ignores the rights of the citizens of all the communities that have been involved in the expansion project and who have been on waiting lists for years to be hooked into the system.
To allow this project to proceed without further review will make a mockery of the State Environmental Quality Review process, because the issue is not the pipeline but the necessity that the environmental review be done properly to protect the environment and surrounding municipalities. All we ask is that all towns and villages be treated fairly and equally when, in too many instances, this hasn't been the case.
The State Environmental Quality Review Act and the review under state General Municipal Law 239 are requirements mandated by law. The law's intent is to protect the environment and coordinate land-use decisions to mitigate intercommunity and countywide impacts. It is the state, county and court's responsibility to ensure that we are all treated fairly and equally under the law. If the laws are not going to be enforced equally across the board, then rescind the laws and put everyone on an equal playing field.
Lastly, there is the question as to whether this pipeline, which will serve only one community and enrich a small group of developers, is the best use of $30 million in taxpayer money.
Charles Bohan is supervisor of the Town of Blooming Grove, John Burke is supervisor of the Town of Woodbury, Robert Jeroloman is mayor of the Village of South Blooming Grove, John Karl is mayor of the Village of Monroe, Steve Neuhaus is supervisor of the Town of Chester, Michael Queenan is mayor of the Village of Woodbury, Kevin Quigley is supervisor of the Town of Cornwall and Steve Welle is mayor of the Village of Harriman.
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Jun 23, 2009 at 11:40 AM Anonymous Says:
To be honest that Vilage was forever a target, from day one they were criticise from the entire neighbourhood. I am afraid to say "it's not about the pip-line" if you have the archives of the old newspapers of orange county then you can see the above.
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Jun 23, 2009 at 11:34 AM Anonymous Says:
So what is the other option, thousands of yiddish'sah kinder are thirsty, they need water!!!
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Jun 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM punch Says:
was this the goal of the holy Reb Yoel of satmar when he created the community in Monroe? did he really want his village to be in the headlines?
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Jun 23, 2009 at 12:11 PM Raphael Kaufman Says:
“ So what is the other option, thousands of yiddish'sah kinder are thirsty, they need water!!! ”
What's wrong with drilling wells? Well water is local, cheaper, does't upset the community and doesn;t have bugs. Monsey gets its water from United Water, most of which comes from local wells. Private wells are also and option.
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Jun 23, 2009 at 12:06 PM Anonymous Says:
Spread out into the existing developed communities sorrounding KJ and stop with the detrimental overdevelopment! It is for our own good so that we not live in a ghetto mentality. What do jews the world over do? Why must KJ highlight our perceived preferential treatment an d cause such sina? "Hisgarus B'Imus" is not just what the zionists do. The Satmar's excel at that better then the Israelis. The amount of chilul hashem the arrogance they display is causing is abhorrent.
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Jun 23, 2009 at 11:57 AM Anonymous Says:
“ To be honest that Vilage was forever a target, from day one they were criticise from the entire neighbourhood. I am afraid to say "it's not about the pip-line" if you have the archives of the old newspapers of orange county then you can see the above. ”
The neighbourhood were in love with kj till the last ten years. Everyone knows that.
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Jun 23, 2009 at 12:47 PM observer Says:
reply to "4. it's a sewage plant. it's not for drinking.
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Jun 23, 2009 at 12:38 PM Drill Wells ! Says:
I believe that drilling wells is the most effective way to supply fresh drinking water. Cement pipes are very expensive and wear out in fourty years or so. Who knows, with a big brucha, KJ will find gold, oil, and diamonds !!!
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Jun 23, 2009 at 01:26 PM Willy Says:
Maybe if KY offered to pay ....
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Jun 23, 2009 at 02:24 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The neighbourhood were in love with kj till the last ten years. Everyone knows that. ”
You obviously were either born 10 years ago, or just a ignorant person. There was a NYTIMES article in "1982" (!) About the problems of KJ and the neighbors. "Stemming from the natural growth in the village which causes problems in terms of sewege, and zoning" is one of the paragraphs in that article. And back then Mr Braver was village clerk, or spoksman @ the time, and he said along the lines " we are a village that's expanded rapidly, and our residents have to have where to live" and I guess Mr. Segedin the current spokesman was still a 'buchur' @ the time.
Google that article and then throw in your opinion.
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Jun 23, 2009 at 02:19 PM Anonymous Says:
“ What's wrong with drilling wells? Well water is local, cheaper, does't upset the community and doesn;t have bugs. Monsey gets its water from United Water, most of which comes from local wells. Private wells are also and option. ”
In matter of fact they tried wells about 10 years ago but never worked out for some reason
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Jun 23, 2009 at 01:48 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I believe that drilling wells is the most effective way to supply fresh drinking water. Cement pipes are very expensive and wear out in fourty years or so. Who knows, with a big brucha, KJ will find gold, oil, and diamonds !!! ”
Yes, they could find some treasures but based on geology they will not find anything of value, they have a better chance to play the Lotto
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Jun 23, 2009 at 03:03 PM love KJ Says:
Go KJ go don't give up build the rabbi ztzls shtetel the rabbi is smiling in gan eden from your good work he said Ich Vel nisht Shildig Blieben
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Jun 23, 2009 at 03:35 PM thats why Says:
“ The neighbourhood were in love with kj till the last ten years. Everyone knows that. ”
That's why Chaim hersh liemzider had to go dressed as a goy when they build the shtetel because they all loved kj so he wanted to show them that he is like that ...you idiot
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Jun 23, 2009 at 03:30 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Go KJ go don't give up build the rabbi ztzls shtetel the rabbi is smiling in gan eden from your good work he said Ich Vel nisht Shildig Blieben ”
You ignore the fact that KJ is becoming synonymous with yiddeshe institutions operating as if they were a privileged class and ignoring the rules meant for everyone else. The Rebbe, z'tzl, would not have wanted his legacy to be associated with the arrogance they are showing towards zoning and land use rules.
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Jun 23, 2009 at 04:25 PM Raphael Kaufman Says:
“ reply to "4. it's a sewage plant. it's not for drinking. ”
Please reread the WHOLE article
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Jun 23, 2009 at 04:24 PM Anonymous Says:
“ That's why Chaim hersh liemzider had to go dressed as a goy when they build the shtetel because they all loved kj so he wanted to show them that he is like that ...you idiot ”
How, did he have a big ham sandwich in his hand?
Stop with the lies it never happened, as a kid my family went to the area before ground breaking as other people did.
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Jun 23, 2009 at 04:15 PM Love KJ Says:
“ You ignore the fact that KJ is becoming synonymous with yiddeshe institutions operating as if they were a privileged class and ignoring the rules meant for everyone else. The Rebbe, z'tzl, would not have wanted his legacy to be associated with the arrogance they are showing towards zoning and land use rules. ”
I am not in heaven and I don't know what the rabbi wants now but I do know what he wanted and that's what the village does Lasos Retzon Tzadik
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Jun 23, 2009 at 04:32 PM Love Kj Says:
“ How, did he have a big ham sandwich in his hand?
Stop with the lies it never happened, as a kid my family went to the area before ground breaking as other people did.
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That was when it was already a fact and the goyim didnt realize till then that this will be a yidishe shtetel BH it grows and grows yearly with the help of HAKODESH BOORUCH HE and the village are the right Shlichim for that they are doing a wonderful job THE RABBIS WILL THAT WAS HIS WISH AND HE SEES LOTS OF NACHAS TODAY FROM IT IN GAN EDAN
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Jun 23, 2009 at 10:41 PM Milhouse Says:
“ You ignore the fact that KJ is becoming synonymous with yiddeshe institutions operating as if they were a privileged class and ignoring the rules meant for everyone else. The Rebbe, z'tzl, would not have wanted his legacy to be associated with the arrogance they are showing towards zoning and land use rules. ”
How do you know he wouldn't want that? Let the world know that yidden ARE a privileged class. Bonim atem lahashem elokeichem. What was the world created for, if not so that yidden could serve Hashem?
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Jun 23, 2009 at 10:30 PM Anonymous Says:
Spread out? As if the neighbors are eagerly welcoming them out of the "ghetto".
Get real everybody, do you think the "bridge to nowhere" was also requested by the Yidden of KJ? KJ fought hard for federal funding for the pipeline, and now the locals are jealous of their success. All municipalities fight to get services they need, if not they must be suicidal. Kiryas Yoel is just better at getting what they need, why must you all have such Jewish guilt?
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Jun 24, 2009 at 08:29 AM Anonymous Says:
“ How do you know he wouldn't want that? Let the world know that yidden ARE a privileged class. Bonim atem lahashem elokeichem. What was the world created for, if not so that yidden could serve Hashem? ”
this is by far the stupidous statement in a long while. go and google 'exile' (in ur head)
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Jun 24, 2009 at 08:02 AM Anonymous Says:
“ How do you know he wouldn't want that? Let the world know that yidden ARE a privileged class. Bonim atem lahashem elokeichem. What was the world created for, if not so that yidden could serve Hashem? ”
No. Thats NOT why hashem created the world and other than arrogant fools such as yourself whose behavior is the cause of so much grief and tragedy for other jews, we were not put on earth as "a priviledged class" to ignore the rules of the society we live in. There is a principle in the talmud (which I doubt you have ever opened) that say "dina d'malchusa dina" which simply means we are require by hashem to obey the laws of the country we live in, not to be a model of unlawful behavior. We are supposed to be a "light for the nations". Am Har'otzim like you make us look like a point of darkness.
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Jun 24, 2009 at 11:22 AM Milhouse Says:
“ No. Thats NOT why hashem created the world and other than arrogant fools such as yourself whose behavior is the cause of so much grief and tragedy for other jews, we were not put on earth as "a priviledged class" to ignore the rules of the society we live in. There is a principle in the talmud (which I doubt you have ever opened) that say "dina d'malchusa dina" which simply means we are require by hashem to obey the laws of the country we live in, not to be a model of unlawful behavior. We are supposed to be a "light for the nations". Am Har'otzim like you make us look like a point of darkness. ”
What a chutzpah you have. Here's a hint: people who actually learn it don't call it "talmud", we call it "gemoro". And the gemoro says exactly what I said. The world was created only so that yidden could learn Torah and do mitzvos. It has no other purpose. All the nations of the world, and all their doings, only exist for the sake of yisroel. Even a ship going from Gaul to Spain is only blessed for the sake of yisroel. "The whole world was created for me; and I was created to serve my Maker". That is what the "talmud" says.
Meanwhile you will not find, anywhere in this "talmud", even a hint that Hashem wants us to obey the laws of the country we live in. Look as long as you like, it simply doesn't exist. Citing words you don't understand, because you've never seen them inside, won't help you.
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Jun 24, 2009 at 12:29 PM menachem Says:
Again & again the pipe line: I could tell you guys one thing. its not the water waste or environmente its the hate for jewish community in monroe they cant stand kiryas joel grows & grows b"h:
for the kj village officials: keep on doing the good work don't give up its the same time like in the 90's when you guys went up to Albany or DC again & again for the school dist. on till you finnely got it b"h. so is now with the pipe line "don't give up" you will have it one day or the other ay"h "chazak ve'amots"
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Jun 25, 2009 at 08:26 AM me Says:
“ Spread out into the existing developed communities sorrounding KJ and stop with the detrimental overdevelopment! It is for our own good so that we not live in a ghetto mentality. What do jews the world over do? Why must KJ highlight our perceived preferential treatment an d cause such sina? "Hisgarus B'Imus" is not just what the zionists do. The Satmar's excel at that better then the Israelis. The amount of chilul hashem the arrogance they display is causing is abhorrent. ”
For thousands of years Jews lived in self imposed jewish quarters and kept their identity. When Moses Mendelsohn, the father of modern assimilation, did the Jews in Germany a big favor and got them the right to live in Goyishe areas previously unavailable to them, attend goyishe universities previously unavailable to them, and enter profeesions surrounded by goyim previously unavailable to the, the intermarriage rate in germany claimed to 42% by the 1930s. Jews should live in Jewish areas. But thank you for dose of anti-semitism (racism against real Jews not the watered down version to which you obviously subscribe.)
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Jun 26, 2009 at 05:25 PM Anonymous Says:
While the municipality complains about what to do with the sewage, the sewage treatment plant they have is running so far below capacity that they started renting out usage of the plant to other municipalities. This proves they are liars, fighting the pipeline out of antisemitism.
Another proof that this is just plain antisemitism is the fact that for years they complained that KJ used up "too much" of the well water. KJ responded by finding an outside source of water - the NYC aqueduct. Now they complain that it "isn't fair" that KJ should get all that water while they have to use the wells. So first they say KJ should stop using the municipality's water - then they say not to find another source either. Hmm, sounds like what they really want is for KJ to disappear, chv"sh.
As for it being "unfair" that KJ gets to use the NYC water line, by state law EVERY municipality in the state that this aqueduct passes through is entitled to tap in and get water, as long as teh plan is environmentally sound. That's why they sued KJ on environmantal reasons - because that's the only way to stop a proposal like this. So instead of suing to stop KJ from tapping in - why didn't they use the same time, energy and money to submit their own request to tap in? By law they're entitled. Why? Because then KJ would still have water.
The bottom line is that they just don't want KJ to have water. They want to hurt KJ even if it hurts themselves. They're just plain old-fashioned anti-semites.