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Israel - Court Orders 25 Chareidim Out of Jerusalem over Shabbat Riots |
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Jun 28, 2009 at 07:16 PM
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The minors were banned from the capital for 60 days while the rest were ordered away for two weeks.
Demonstrations against the opening of municipal and quasi-municipal parking lots on the Sabbath started Friday night and continued into Sunday.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 07:22 PM nachas Says:
Mom guess what? I'm coming home early!
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Jun 28, 2009 at 07:27 PM Milhouse Says:
Where are they supposed to go?
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Jun 28, 2009 at 07:23 PM Anonymous Says:
I hope that the chareidem don't get terrorized from the tzionym. They should just keep up the good work
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Jun 28, 2009 at 07:39 PM Anonymous Says:
A minor punishment for a huge chillul Hashem. but y minors 60 days and adults 14days? should be vice versa. also good job the wives will suffer for not training their hubs n kids.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 07:38 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Where are they supposed to go? ”
They can go elsewhere in EY but are legally prohibited from stepping foot in Jeruselam under the court order. If they violate the order and are caught, they could be jailed for contempt of court.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 07:30 PM Anonymous Says:
The should have banned them permanently. Jews who engage in violent or disruptive behavior have no right to live in Y'erushalayim, ear hakodeh.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 07:58 PM pink Says:
the minors are prob late teens, not children while adults can be parents over small children......
and a small punishment for the chillul hashem they did - they got off ez
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:03 PM shlemiel Says:
“ The should have banned them permanently. Jews who engage in violent or disruptive behavior have no right to live in Y'erushalayim, ear hakodeh. ”
can we say the same for the MECHALELLEI SHBOOSES??? Rioting while its not a "nice", is the only way to get the attention & slight cooperation from the yidden/goyim in charge. on the other hand, Mechallel shabbos is MOS YIMOS!!! (tell the mayor that this is what the "death threats" were all about)
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:08 PM Anonymous Says:
The chareidim were in Jerusalem for many generations before the zionists ever stepd foot in the holy city, what nerve, what right does the zionist court have to expel them?
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:20 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The chareidim were in Jerusalem for many generations before the zionists ever stepd foot in the holy city, what nerve, what right does the zionist court have to expel them? ”
They may have lived there forever but are still subject to the civil laws of EY. Those laws entitle them to protest peacefully or even to engage in non-violent civil disobedience (assuming the are willing to go to jail for violating the law). They were lucky the court only exiled them for 2 weeks. It could have been much worse.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:17 PM Anonymous Says:
“ A minor punishment for a huge chillul Hashem. but y minors 60 days and adults 14days? should be vice versa. also good job the wives will suffer for not training their hubs n kids. ”
ha what do you know you ignorant fool. chillul shabbos is a MUCH BIGGER chillul hashem than protesting it
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:23 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The chareidim were in Jerusalem for many generations before the zionists ever stepd foot in the holy city, what nerve, what right does the zionist court have to expel them? ”
While those driving to the parking lot on shabbos may have been violating halacha, you cannot be jailed for not being a frumme yid. There are many laws however about blocking the streets, throwing rocks at the police etc, which can result in jail time or as in this case, being forced to leave the city.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:55 PM Milhouse Says:
“ They may have lived there forever but are still subject to the civil laws of EY. Those laws entitle them to protest peacefully or even to engage in non-violent civil disobedience (assuming the are willing to go to jail for violating the law). They were lucky the court only exiled them for 2 weeks. It could have been much worse. ”
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? They haven't been convicted of anything. They haven't even been tried yet.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:54 PM Milhouse Says:
“ The should have banned them permanently. Jews who engage in violent or disruptive behavior have no right to live in Y'erushalayim, ear hakodeh. ”
And shabbos goyim do?
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:54 PM Milhouse Says:
“ While those driving to the parking lot on shabbos may have been violating halacha, you cannot be jailed for not being a frumme yid. There are many laws however about blocking the streets, throwing rocks at the police etc, which can result in jail time or as in this case, being forced to leave the city. ”
Are you saying that's right? Or are you just describing the unfortunate reality? Why is blocking a street worse than driving on it on Shabbos?
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:52 PM Milhouse Says:
“ The should have banned them permanently. Jews who engage in violent or disruptive behavior have no right to live in Y'erushalayim, ear hakodeh. ”
How do you know they did anything?
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:51 PM Milhouse Says:
“ They can go elsewhere in EY but are legally prohibited from stepping foot in Jeruselam under the court order. If they violate the order and are caught, they could be jailed for contempt of court. ”
So where are they supposed to go? Does the judge care? Do you?
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:51 PM Milhouse Says:
“ A minor punishment for a huge chillul Hashem. but y minors 60 days and adults 14days? should be vice versa. also good job the wives will suffer for not training their hubs n kids. ”
It's not a punishment; they haven't been tried yet, let alone convicted of anything.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:55 PM Anonymous Says:
“ ha what do you know you ignorant fool. chillul shabbos is a MUCH BIGGER chillul hashem than protesting it ”
And based on what please elaborate specifics
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:54 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The should have banned them permanently. Jews who engage in violent or disruptive behavior have no right to live in Y'erushalayim, ear hakodeh. ”
and people who openly defy G-d by publicly being mechalel shabbos have a right to live in "yerushalayim ir hakodesh"??????????????????????????????????????
I think anyone with just a little 'seche' would understand that if anyone is not fit,and should be banned from the holy city it is those who don't follow the torah and dont keep shabbos, but certainly not those who fight to uphold it
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:49 PM Anonymous Says:
So much for Millhouse self-defense theory, who are we to believe Millhouse or my lying eyes, just look at the video the young adult is throwing something at the police when there is not a police within 15-20 yards
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:43 PM Anonymous Says:
Look, "every action has a reaction" if you fight with force, they will fight back with force! It's predictable.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:39 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The chareidim were in Jerusalem for many generations before the zionists ever stepd foot in the holy city, what nerve, what right does the zionist court have to expel them? ”
And because my great-great grandfather lived in Poland over 800 years ago I should be allowed to throw rocks and nappies at the police
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:39 PM Anonymous Says:
“ A minor punishment for a huge chillul Hashem. but y minors 60 days and adults 14days? should be vice versa. also good job the wives will suffer for not training their hubs n kids. ”
its because minors generally do bad things because we generally will not come down hard on them . Here they want to make a statement that we will no longer tolerate your mishgasim.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:38 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The should have banned them permanently. Jews who engage in violent or disruptive behavior have no right to live in Y'erushalayim, ear hakodeh. ”
check your yichus. your comment is so filled with hate against frummeh yidden you must be an am haaretz deoiraysah
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Jun 28, 2009 at 08:38 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Where are they supposed to go? ”
maybe they should go work at the rubashkin plant and see what it means to be a hard worker .
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Jun 28, 2009 at 09:39 PM Anonymous Says:
“ maybe they should go work at the rubashkin plant and see what it means to be a hard worker . ”
good idea but to late
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Jun 28, 2009 at 09:48 PM no voilence Says:
While you do have a right to peacefully protest, you do not have a right to throw stones which is by itself chilul shabbos and very hypocritical of thr chareidim. The bigger problem is that have no jobs and have too much time and energy for this nonsense....
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Jun 28, 2009 at 09:29 PM Anonymous Says:
“ maybe they should go work at the rubashkin plant and see what it means to be a hard worker . ”
What does this have to do with Sholomo Mordechai, Z'tl.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 09:28 PM Anonymous Says:
“ check your yichus. your comment is so filled with hate against frummeh yidden you must be an am haaretz deoiraysah ”
you are right. I am filled with hate against "frumeh yiden" who attack other yidden who happen to be police doing their job. As to who is the am ha'ortetz, note that these "frumme yidden" of yours, were thrown out of the city so I guess the court agrees with me.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 09:27 PM Anonymous Says:
Milhouse Rocks!
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Jun 28, 2009 at 09:25 PM Anonymous Says:
“ And shabbos goyim do? ”
Yes they do...the courts have the authority to issue such exclusion orders pending trial and disposition of the case just like they can make the accuse post bail before beind tried. Being a shabbos goy make violate halacha but that is not a punishable offense
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Jun 28, 2009 at 09:56 PM Anonymous Says:
shame on thises troublemakers for making a huge chilul hahsem. they should be explelled from yerusalaim for a year!
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Jun 28, 2009 at 09:55 PM Anonymous Says:
“ And based on what please elaborate specifics
”
well basically one of the reasons that shabbos is such a big part of the torah/judaism is because one of the things that shabbos represents is belief in g-d,and one of the things that violating shabbos represents is denying G-d ,as indeed the torah compares it to idol worship.which is part of the reason that everyone knows that a public desecrator of shabbos can be considered as somone who completely threw away the religion, more than many other sins. so there you have chillul shabbos.
then you have "protesting"....
so its not really clear to me what the great sin (thereby chillul hashem) there is at all in protesting.Infact we find in the torah the OPPOSITE-that someone who does not protest ,it is as if he himself commited the act that he neglected to protest.
so perhaps we are referring not to actual protesting but rather people who conduct themselves inappropriately during a protest, so yes that would be a chilull hashem, depending on what exactly they did(if they did anything wrong at all. i know FIRST HAND, instances out of these protests of people who were arrested that were just walking by in the area) the same way any person who acts in a way that is not befiting someone in his position, can cause a chillul hashem. but certainly that is somewhat of a grey area, and nowhere near the magnitute of someone who publicly violates or supports the violation of the holy holy shabbat.
based on that i say that someone who violates shabbos causes a much bigger chillul hashem than a protester
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Jun 28, 2009 at 09:10 PM Anonymous Says:
“ and people who openly defy G-d by publicly being mechalel shabbos have a right to live in "yerushalayim ir hakodesh"??????????????????????????????????????
I think anyone with just a little 'seche' would understand that if anyone is not fit,and should be banned from the holy city it is those who don't follow the torah and dont keep shabbos, but certainly not those who fight to uphold it ”
Get it into your tick skull Moshiach is not here yet, therefore what you think is right or wrong doesn’t count. The of the law of the land counts, if you don’t like it go a pray that Moshiach should come today.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 09:10 PM CHAIM Says:
these criminaly insane ignorant savages should be deported to Iran for a couple of months,as they will feel right at home over there.
what a chilul hashem these savages have caused.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 09:09 PM Anonymous Says:
It's so ironical that the same people who take social service from the government - and do not supply to the gpvernment - are ready to disturb them! Where is the appreciation? Do you know that the biggest revenue in Jerusalem is tourism! So please stop.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 10:16 PM Anonymous Says:
“ you are right. I am filled with hate against "frumeh yiden" who attack other yidden who happen to be police doing their job. As to who is the am ha'ortetz, note that these "frumme yidden" of yours, were thrown out of the city so I guess the court agrees with me. ”
Stand tall my friend common sense is on the march, and common sense will prevail
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Jun 28, 2009 at 10:15 PM hafganot rox! Says:
Anon #37: these guys don't take social services from the government. You are confusing them with their American counterparts.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM stunned! Says:
“ you are right. I am filled with hate against "frumeh yiden" who attack other yidden who happen to be police doing their job. As to who is the am ha'ortetz, note that these "frumme yidden" of yours, were thrown out of the city so I guess the court agrees with me. ”
"police DOING THEIR JOB"???????????????????? helllooooooo!! anyone home?? maybe take a trip to israel, because you obviously don't know whats going on.
NUMBER ONE:many of the police in jerusalem are NOT jewish, thats right sweeety, infact many of the are (at least partialy) arab.
number two:interesting to know that polices "job" is to angrily, viciously beat unarmed unprotected civillians, which is basically what happens at any protest here violent or peaceful.INFACT many people have been maimed for life cause of police beatings. it happened in gush katif, it happens all the time , the police here are pawns in a political struggle instructed to intimidate those who oppose the leaders.
so first come here and try and protest something here that you belive in, that doesnt happen to agree with someone sitting a little higher than you politically , and then talk about "other jews doing their job" as some arab or russian non jewish cop,(or even if it makes you happier some anti religious selfhating jewish cop) beats you over the head with his stick
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Jun 28, 2009 at 10:47 PM You've got it all wrong Says:
The chilul haShem is on the "Jewish" city of j'lem for in essence promoting chilul Shabbos. Doing a mitzvas a'say or mitzvas lo sa'say is NOT a chilul haShem no matter how uncomfortable it makes you feel.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 10:36 PM Anonymous Says:
“ "police DOING THEIR JOB"???????????????????? helllooooooo!! anyone home?? maybe take a trip to israel, because you obviously don't know whats going on.
NUMBER ONE:many of the police in jerusalem are NOT jewish, thats right sweeety, infact many of the are (at least partialy) arab.
number two:interesting to know that polices "job" is to angrily, viciously beat unarmed unprotected civillians, which is basically what happens at any protest here violent or peaceful.INFACT many people have been maimed for life cause of police beatings. it happened in gush katif, it happens all the time , the police here are pawns in a political struggle instructed to intimidate those who oppose the leaders.
so first come here and try and protest something here that you belive in, that doesnt happen to agree with someone sitting a little higher than you politically , and then talk about "other jews doing their job" as some arab or russian non jewish cop,(or even if it makes you happier some anti religious selfhating jewish cop) beats you over the head with his stick ”
I should appologize to you since you were obviously one of the victims of the police brutality you speak of. No normal yid would make such statements about the police who protect yiddin in eretz yisroel so hashem should provide you with a refuah shelaymah from your injuries.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 10:54 PM no voilence Says:
While you do have a right to peacefully protest, you do not have a right to throw stones which is by itself chilul shabbos and very hypocritical of thr chareidim. The bigger problem is that have no jobs and have too much time and energy for this nonsense....
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Jun 28, 2009 at 11:13 PM Anonymous Says:
Most of the posters here just don't have a broad view. The problem with chilul Shabbat in Yerushalayim is not that a parking lot is open. It is that people aren't keeping Shabbat. Closing the parking lot won't make people who don't keep Shabbat suddenly start. And clearly, violent, ugly riots won't make anyone start to keep Shabbat either. In fact, non-observant people are REPULSED by this behavior, which makes it an even greater chilul Hashem. If the protestors would set up tables by the entrance of the parking lot, give out fliers about Yiddishkeit and Shabbat, try to talk to the people coming and going from the lot about the importance of Shabbat in a loving manner--the way you would talk to your brother if you saw him making a mistake in life and you wanted to put him back on the right path--and have groups of people singing Tehillim and behaving like it is really a holy day, then there would be a chance of increasing shmirat Shabbat. What these am-ha'artzim have done has surely pushed people away from Yiddishkeit, has led to increased chilul Shabbat, and has pushed off the days of Mashiach. Of course they should be banished from Yerushalayim; it is only fitting that they be at a deeper level of galut.
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Jun 28, 2009 at 11:22 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I should appologize to you since you were obviously one of the victims of the police brutality you speak of. No normal yid would make such statements about the police who protect yiddin in eretz yisroel so hashem should provide you with a refuah shelaymah from your injuries. ”
funny most people i know in israel. including a friend in the army feel that the police protects arabs
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Jun 28, 2009 at 11:24 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Most of the posters here just don't have a broad view. The problem with chilul Shabbat in Yerushalayim is not that a parking lot is open. It is that people aren't keeping Shabbat. Closing the parking lot won't make people who don't keep Shabbat suddenly start. And clearly, violent, ugly riots won't make anyone start to keep Shabbat either. In fact, non-observant people are REPULSED by this behavior, which makes it an even greater chilul Hashem. If the protestors would set up tables by the entrance of the parking lot, give out fliers about Yiddishkeit and Shabbat, try to talk to the people coming and going from the lot about the importance of Shabbat in a loving manner--the way you would talk to your brother if you saw him making a mistake in life and you wanted to put him back on the right path--and have groups of people singing Tehillim and behaving like it is really a holy day, then there would be a chance of increasing shmirat Shabbat. What these am-ha'artzim have done has surely pushed people away from Yiddishkeit, has led to increased chilul Shabbat, and has pushed off the days of Mashiach. Of course they should be banished from Yerushalayim; it is only fitting that they be at a deeper level of galut. ”
ithe main protest is against those making decisions in the city NOT those actually driving into the lot per se. they just want to uphold the long standing policy of the city that public things close for shabbos
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Jun 28, 2009 at 11:20 PM who's all wrong? Says:
“ The chilul haShem is on the "Jewish" city of j'lem for in essence promoting chilul Shabbos. Doing a mitzvas a'say or mitzvas lo sa'say is NOT a chilul haShem no matter how uncomfortable it makes you feel. ”
actually doing an aveira is the definition of a chilllul hashem. and a mitzva is the def. of kiddush hashem. an act need not be public to costitute chillul hashem, certainly the more people that see add, but that is not the only crteria
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Jun 28, 2009 at 11:44 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Anon #37: these guys don't take social services from the government. You are confusing them with their American counterparts. ”
Big lie!!! It's "bituach leumi". 90% of charidem do indeed take it. It's exactly like social service.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 03:10 AM moish Says:
“ It's so ironical that the same people who take social service from the government - and do not supply to the gpvernment - are ready to disturb them! Where is the appreciation? Do you know that the biggest revenue in Jerusalem is tourism! So please stop. ”
What makes you say they do not supply the government? The 15.5% they pay to the government for everything they buy, is a lot more then they receive.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 03:00 AM moish Says:
“ They may have lived there forever but are still subject to the civil laws of EY. Those laws entitle them to protest peacefully or even to engage in non-violent civil disobedience (assuming the are willing to go to jail for violating the law). They were lucky the court only exiled them for 2 weeks. It could have been much worse. ”
Why are they "subject to the civil laws of EY"? What obligates them? Who gave the tziyonim a right to make up their own laws and force them on everyone else?
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Jun 29, 2009 at 02:55 AM Anonymous Says:
“ "police DOING THEIR JOB"???????????????????? helllooooooo!! anyone home?? maybe take a trip to israel, because you obviously don't know whats going on.
NUMBER ONE:many of the police in jerusalem are NOT jewish, thats right sweeety, infact many of the are (at least partialy) arab.
number two:interesting to know that polices "job" is to angrily, viciously beat unarmed unprotected civillians, which is basically what happens at any protest here violent or peaceful.INFACT many people have been maimed for life cause of police beatings. it happened in gush katif, it happens all the time , the police here are pawns in a political struggle instructed to intimidate those who oppose the leaders.
so first come here and try and protest something here that you belive in, that doesnt happen to agree with someone sitting a little higher than you politically , and then talk about "other jews doing their job" as some arab or russian non jewish cop,(or even if it makes you happier some anti religious selfhating jewish cop) beats you over the head with his stick ”
of course the cops are not Jewish, especially if you don't want Jews to be Mechalel Shabbos and you insist on rioting on Shabbos, youare going to get the Goyim who work.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 02:53 AM Anonymous Says:
“ can we say the same for the MECHALELLEI SHBOOSES??? Rioting while its not a "nice", is the only way to get the attention & slight cooperation from the yidden/goyim in charge. on the other hand, Mechallel shabbos is MOS YIMOS!!! (tell the mayor that this is what the "death threats" were all about) ”
How can rioting be "nice"? The rioters themselves were clearly Mechalel Shabbos and worse than that they forced others, the police, journalists to be Mechalel Shabbos. The "punishment" is a joke and they should be Makir Tov to the judges who let them off so easy.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 12:53 AM rebrach Says:
“ The should have banned them permanently. Jews who engage in violent or disruptive behavior have no right to live in Y'erushalayim, ear hakodeh. ”
The police became violent first they were defending women and children who were being harmed, while the rest were protesting orderly. And what have you done ever to defend another Jew you always condemn first, because you are so comfortable in your Galus.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 06:54 AM Dag Says:
The Rabbonim should put the rioters into cherem and prohibit them from going to J'lem.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 07:41 AM Anonymous Says:
“ What makes you say they do not supply the government? The 15.5% they pay to the government for everything they buy, is a lot more then they receive.
”
But if take social service - betuach Leumy - then your food is free....
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Jun 29, 2009 at 07:48 AM Anonymous Says:
“ What makes you say they do not supply the government? The 15.5% they pay to the government for everything they buy, is a lot more then they receive.
”
Hello, who pays the 15.5%, the police and others who work, not the rioters.... Chuchem!
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Jun 29, 2009 at 08:13 AM moish Says:
“ But if take social service - betuach Leumy - then your food is free.... ”
Food is free?!?! Are you just fabricating facts hoping no one will catch you out, or are you deliberately lying?
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Jun 29, 2009 at 08:50 AM Milhouse Says:
“ What does this have to do with Sholomo Mordechai, Z'tl. ”
Z'tl??? I know the Maharsho writes that you can say that about a living person, but that's not the common practice.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 08:43 AM Milhouse Says:
“ its because minors generally do bad things because we generally will not come down hard on them . Here they want to make a statement that we will no longer tolerate your mishgasim. ”
Since they haven't been convicted of anything, your theory makes no sense.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 08:43 AM Milhouse Says:
“ So much for Millhouse self-defense theory, who are we to believe Millhouse or my lying eyes, just look at the video the young adult is throwing something at the police when there is not a police within 15-20 yards ”
What video? There isn't any video linked from this article, or the original A7 article.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 08:51 AM Milhouse Says:
“ you are right. I am filled with hate against "frumeh yiden" who attack other yidden who happen to be police doing their job. As to who is the am ha'ortetz, note that these "frumme yidden" of yours, were thrown out of the city so I guess the court agrees with me. ”
"so I guess the court agrees with me". And therefore? What does that prove? So one Jewish sheigetz agrees with another; big deal. How does the judge's opinion make you right?
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Jun 29, 2009 at 08:41 AM moish Says:
“ Hello, who pays the 15.5%, the police and others who work, not the rioters.... Chuchem! ”
Can you please explain me how they get away with it (I wouldn't mind to know myself!), it's automatically included in the price.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 08:18 AM moish Says:
“ you are right. I am filled with hate against "frumeh yiden" who attack other yidden who happen to be police doing their job. As to who is the am ha'ortetz, note that these "frumme yidden" of yours, were thrown out of the city so I guess the court agrees with me. ”
"I guess the court agrees with me", which just proves that you are an am ho'oretz like them!
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Jun 29, 2009 at 08:17 AM moish Says:
“ I should appologize to you since you were obviously one of the victims of the police brutality you speak of. No normal yid would make such statements about the police who protect yiddin in eretz yisroel so hashem should provide you with a refuah shelaymah from your injuries. ”
Police protect yidden in EY?!?! Like by the mercaz harav and tractor attacks? If it would've been left to the police more yidden would've been killed r"l, and the terrorist would be alive. The only thing the police did was guard the terrorists house from right wing protestors.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 08:57 AM Milhouse Says:
“ Yes they do...the courts have the authority to issue such exclusion orders pending trial and disposition of the case just like they can make the accuse post bail before beind tried. Being a shabbos goy make violate halacha but that is not a punishable offense ”
In other words, might makes right. The courts have the power to expel these people from the city, therefore they have the right to do so. Nobody has the power to expel mechalelei shabbos from the city, so they don't have the right. Well, according to your logic, since these people have the power to throw rocks and set fires, they must have the right as well. So what's your complaint against them?
If you don't think might makes right, if you think there is an objective right and wrong, tell me what gives mechalelei shabbos the "right to live in Y'erushalayim, ear hakodeh", but doesn't give that same right to "Jews who engage in violent or disruptive behavior"? Which is a worse crime, disorderly conduct or chilul shabbos?
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Jun 29, 2009 at 08:58 AM Milhouse Says:
“ shame on thises troublemakers for making a huge chilul hahsem. they should be explelled from yerusalaim for a year! ”
If you first call for the expulsion of every Jew who breaks shabbos, then we can talk. Until then, you have no grounds for such a proposal.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 09:03 AM Milhouse Says:
“ Get it into your tick skull Moshiach is not here yet, therefore what you think is right or wrong doesn’t count. The of the law of the land counts, if you don’t like it go a pray that Moshiach should come today. ”
In other words, might makes right. Tell me, do you feel the same way about the Iranian protesters, that the law of the land counts, and they should just accept it and pray for change?
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Jun 29, 2009 at 09:27 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I should appologize to you since you were obviously one of the victims of the police brutality you speak of. No normal yid would make such statements about the police who protect yiddin in eretz yisroel so hashem should provide you with a refuah shelaymah from your injuries. ”
nobody needs thare protection we have hashem to protect us
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Jun 29, 2009 at 09:25 AM Anonymous Says:
“ It's so ironical that the same people who take social service from the government - and do not supply to the gpvernment - are ready to disturb them! Where is the appreciation? Do you know that the biggest revenue in Jerusalem is tourism! So please stop. ”
that's so not truth I know personaly 3 of the arrested they are satmer they don't take a penny from the israely govermant
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Jun 29, 2009 at 09:21 AM Anonymous Says:
“ you are right. I am filled with hate against "frumeh yiden" who attack other yidden who happen to be police doing their job. As to who is the am ha'ortetz, note that these "frumme yidden" of yours, were thrown out of the city so I guess the court agrees with me. ”
hu cares what the court sayes they don't have any right by halocho
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Jun 29, 2009 at 09:10 AM Milhouse Says:
“ How can rioting be "nice"? The rioters themselves were clearly Mechalel Shabbos and worse than that they forced others, the police, journalists to be Mechalel Shabbos. The "punishment" is a joke and they should be Makir Tov to the judges who let them off so easy. ”
How were they mechalel shabbos? And how did they "force" anyone to be mechalel shabbos? Did they make the police and journalists come there? Those people had the free choice not to come. Nobody put them in chains and forced them. What terrible thing do you think would happen if the police and journalists had not arrived? (Especially the journalists; why were they needed?)
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Jun 29, 2009 at 09:07 AM Milhouse Says:
“ of course the cops are not Jewish, especially if you don't want Jews to be Mechalel Shabbos and you insist on rioting on Shabbos, youare going to get the Goyim who work. ”
If you agree that they're goyim, why are you defending them? What makes you think they're NOT brutal animals who beat any charedi, regardless of what he's doing?
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Jun 29, 2009 at 09:06 AM Milhouse Says:
“ I should appologize to you since you were obviously one of the victims of the police brutality you speak of. No normal yid would make such statements about the police who protect yiddin in eretz yisroel so hashem should provide you with a refuah shelaymah from your injuries. ”
So you acknowledge that the police brutality exists, since he's a victim of it. But you say "no normal yid would make such statements". So what do you consider a "normal yid"? One who is unaware of the brutal nature of the Israeli police? One who imagines the police are nice people "who protect yiddin in eretz yisroel"? Is that "normal" or just "naive"?
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Jun 29, 2009 at 09:04 AM Milhouse Says:
“ While you do have a right to peacefully protest, you do not have a right to throw stones which is by itself chilul shabbos and very hypocritical of thr chareidim. The bigger problem is that have no jobs and have too much time and energy for this nonsense....
”
Who's throwing stones on shabbos?
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Jun 29, 2009 at 11:18 AM anonymous Says:
If these leidegeier would do a days work their gluteal would be too tired to throw dirty diapers, stones and laugh when they are arrested. The facts is shmiras shabbes is not supported by throwing stones or dirty diaper and having an idiotic laugh on your face is the ultimate expression of an idiot with pyes
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Jun 29, 2009 at 12:08 PM Anonymous Says:
“ funny most people i know in israel. including a friend in the army feel that the police protects arabs ”
In a free society what is wrong with that.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM MIESQ Says:
The chilling aspect of this action is that the Supreme Court is acting more like South American Junta than a judicial body. Maybe instead of acting to promote particular Justices'personal agendas The Court behave like jurists to preserve the rights of all citixens not just those engaged in same gender relationships or ficticious Arab/Peace Now land claims. Democracy and free speach President Benish applies especially to those who disagree with the government.
Shame on you shame on you !!!!!
And this applies to enforcing administrative orders against Jews in Yehsa as well.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 02:03 PM Anonymous Says:
When I see the behavior of the Israeli police and court towards charedi jews, I can help help but getting some sympathy to those going to Iran.
You can all scream and shout on me, but their vicious actions put them in a black light.
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Jun 29, 2009 at 05:51 PM Don't we have it BACKWARDS Says:
The very fact that we are willing to FIGHT for SHABBOS Observance is a KIDDUSH HASHEM...
How could fighting the desecrations of Hashem's Holy Shabbos be a chillal Hashem?
If anything, when Jews are silent as our Torah's commandments are trashed.... THAT IS THE BIGGEST CHILLUL HASHEM I could imagine.
We should be fighting to uphold EVERY mitzvah and commandment.
But... SHABBOS.... that is the biggie of biggies. That is mentioned by Hashem, our Creator, how many times in the Torah?
Milk and Meat is only 3 times. How many more times does Hashem command us to keep the Shabbos. He does so in so many different words and phrases... He gives us Reasons for it. He puts a CLEAR DEATH PENALTY on its violation.
One who openly violates Shabbos can't even be counted for a minyan.
We treat one who openly violates Shabbos as if he were an "Idol Worshipper"
That is not stuff from "Ultra Orthodox" Judaism.... that is just, plain Judaism.
So, to remain silent as the Shabbos is desecrated publicly is the CHILLUL HASHEM
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Jun 29, 2009 at 08:34 PM ZR Says:
“ The very fact that we are willing to FIGHT for SHABBOS Observance is a KIDDUSH HASHEM...
How could fighting the desecrations of Hashem's Holy Shabbos be a chillal Hashem?
If anything, when Jews are silent as our Torah's commandments are trashed.... THAT IS THE BIGGEST CHILLUL HASHEM I could imagine.
We should be fighting to uphold EVERY mitzvah and commandment.
But... SHABBOS.... that is the biggie of biggies. That is mentioned by Hashem, our Creator, how many times in the Torah?
Milk and Meat is only 3 times. How many more times does Hashem command us to keep the Shabbos. He does so in so many different words and phrases... He gives us Reasons for it. He puts a CLEAR DEATH PENALTY on its violation.
One who openly violates Shabbos can't even be counted for a minyan.
We treat one who openly violates Shabbos as if he were an "Idol Worshipper"
That is not stuff from "Ultra Orthodox" Judaism.... that is just, plain Judaism.
So, to remain silent as the Shabbos is desecrated publicly is the CHILLUL HASHEM ”
Don't you get it that throwing rock and dirty nappies will NOT bring a single Yid to keep shabbos????????
If you are concerned about Shabbos, how about trying to mekarev them? Show them the beauty of Shabbos. Show them the beauty of Yiddishkeit. No. Instead you throw rocks and wonder why they continue ignoring your message.
Why do I feel I am talking to a brick wall? Is anybody home?
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Jun 29, 2009 at 08:20 PM Anonymous Says:
Since about 75% of yiddin in eretz yisroyel are not shomer shabbos should we kill them all unless they do immediate tshuvah?? you are mamash an absolute idiot
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Jun 29, 2009 at 09:59 PM Anonymous Says:
“ you are right. I am filled with hate against "frumeh yiden" who attack other yidden who happen to be police doing their job. As to who is the am ha'ortetz, note that these "frumme yidden" of yours, were thrown out of the city so I guess the court agrees with me. ”
The bottom line is: u side with the police and the tourists who both of them are machalelei shbaoo, and in the gemuras words: mimor l'hachis! Shame on u
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Jun 30, 2009 at 08:23 PM Milhouse Says:
“ If these leidegeier would do a days work their gluteal would be too tired to throw dirty diapers, stones and laugh when they are arrested. The facts is shmiras shabbes is not supported by throwing stones or dirty diaper and having an idiotic laugh on your face is the ultimate expression of an idiot with pyes ”
You are right, but why do you assume these 25 people did anything like that? Do you just take the police's word for it? They haven't been convicted of anything.