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Published on: July 1, 2009 03:04 PM
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Jerusalem - The District Prosecution filed rioting charges against 11 of the capital’s ultra-Orthodox residents – five minors and six adults – who took part in the riots which erupted in the city earlier in the week.

The capital’s haredi community protested the City’s decision to keep parking lots open on Shabbat.
Police forces arrested 57 rioters during the demonstration. The 11 indicted are charged with disorderly conduct, illegal gathering, disturbing public peace and aggravated assault of a police officer.

The police told the court that the riot was “dangerous and violent,” adding that the protestors hurled bottles and stones at police forces, “With the intent of inflicting bodily harm.”

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The defendants, added the indictment, “Attempted to obstruct the police… They took part in an illegal gathering with the intent of disturbing the peace and intimidating the public.”

The police also asked the court to remand some of the defendants to custody pending the completion of the legal proceedings.

Attorney David Halevy, representing two of the accused, said that his clients “deny all of the allegations against them.”

Sources in the Jerusalem Police said more indictments are expected to follow.


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 Jul 01, 2009 at 02:25 PM Anonymous Says:

If they think this will stop d protests, they're big time mistaking, it will only rise the tentions and intensify d situation.
They should try to settle it with d rabbonim on a diplomatic manner.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 02:21 PM Anonymous Says:

I also wanna know how many police officers were indicted for police brutality?? in this "democratic" government..

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 02:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

If they think this will stop d protests, they're big time mistaking, it will only rise the tentions and intensify d situation.
They should try to settle it with d rabbonim on a diplomatic manner.

Big mistake! They could stop one day the social service - that 90% charidem take, and everyone would be 9:00 AM in ......office.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 02:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Look, we live in a country who support is; the only one who give us safe haven when every country close their doors at the Jews. So at least let not destroy the country! They are ready to send their kids in the military - wile we can sit and study, we don't have to work, they provide us with social service botuach-leimy, so let appreciate them.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 02:27 PM Anonymous Says:

The main problem is, many innocent bystanders were also arrested, and it's a pity on them they have to hire lawyers now to defend them.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 02:45 PM Tziyoyni Says:

Reply to 4 There is no safe haven with this Medina and By the Jews have freedom in a lot of countries

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 03:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

If they think this will stop d protests, they're big time mistaking, it will only rise the tentions and intensify d situation.
They should try to settle it with d rabbonim on a diplomatic manner.

"They should try to settle it with d rabbonim on a diplomatic manner.”

These bochurim are charged under criminal laws with assault with intent of inflicting bodily harm, not with some civil matter. The rabbonim should step back and allow the courts to adjudicate whether they are guilty or whether they were "innocent bystanders" and simply swept up by the police. I'm not sure what the rabbonim might contribute since their call for the demonstration is the reason they were arrested in the first place. Certainly, the accused did not act in a diplomatic manner, although I'm sure some will blame it all on the police.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 03:05 PM Anonymous Says:

these guys were wrong to protest. thats what happens. its a shame they dont even have a right to proterst since the charadim contribute nothing to the country. they dont work so they dont pay taxes and dont serve in the army.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 03:23 PM Yoshua Says:

What about non violent civil disobedience?

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 03:22 PM plain yid Says:

When isaw the above picture all I see is two of my brothers very angry at each other and I want to cry.let us pray for achdus and love for our fellow jew

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 04:01 PM Sam Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

these guys were wrong to protest. thats what happens. its a shame they dont even have a right to proterst since the charadim contribute nothing to the country. they dont work so they dont pay taxes and dont serve in the army.

#8 writes: "They don't even have a right to protest" (I fixed the spelling). The word "right" is a loaded legal term. I, together with the other comment posters are dismayed and upset at the protests. But to say that they have no "right". I am sorry. As much as I disagree with the protesters who turned violent, they have a "right" to protest. I think you meant to write that they shouldn't anyway, and that is fair enough.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 03:55 PM knowitall Says:

He sure looks like a real talmid chochom. It would be more productive and he would be better off if he played basketball instead.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 04:13 PM NJ Shmuel Says:

Reply to #6  
Tziyoyni Says:

Reply to 4 There is no safe haven with this Medina and By the Jews have freedom in a lot of countries

That's right! Down with the Medina. Let's all go to Iran where we can live as Jews. Even better, Even better, let's catch a flight to one of the MANY, MANY Asian or European countries that welcome Jews. Oh, I forgot you call them Yidden. When was the last time you were in Colombia, Argentine or...?

Come on Israel bashers. Throw your stones. Just remember where the Mirrer, Brisk and a host of other Yeshivas are and who is there to defend them and give them subsidies. Your xenophobic behavior belongs in Eastern Europe of 150 years ago. By the way, have you been to Minsk recently? After getting mugged at the airport, remember, you must go to the town to report yourself as a foreigner every Tuesday.

And if the Medna is so bad, don't go there for yeshiva. You can learn just as well in Tokyo, they have little distraction and little love of Jews/Yidden.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 04:13 PM Ben Says:

I love when people comment how the Orthodox in Israel do not serve in the Army,contribute nothing etc... I wonder how many of those commenters would be serving in the Army if they lived in Israel, or would they chicken out? Unless you served in the Army you are NOT able to work in the state of Israel until you are well into your 30's!!!!
many young bochurim are forced to sit and learn when they would love to work! If they go into the Army,even the Nachal Chareid divisions, they are stigmatized and ruin their shidduch etc....Americans tend to think that every culture is like theirs and think that all experiences mirror theirs, when its the furthest thing from the truth!
The reason why many Americans dont make Aliyah is due to the Army and Job oppurtunities which are very limited and hard to come by for non-sabras,once again a very different society than the US.All this is first hand from someone who lived there for 7 years.....

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 03:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

these guys were wrong to protest. thats what happens. its a shame they dont even have a right to proterst since the charadim contribute nothing to the country. they dont work so they dont pay taxes and dont serve in the army.

Who said they don't work and pay taxes? The vast majority of Charedi Rabeim are on the books, as are the most of the wives of Kollel Avreichim, and they pay taxes! The ones rioting are mostly people from Meah Shearim, where the concept of Kollel, though more common now than it was twenty years ago, work for a living, and won't take government money anyway.
Just because you don't pay taxes doesn't give you a right to express an opinion? In US last year, a president got elected by a large portion of people who work off the books, collect welfare, and don't pay taxes! Your demonization and ignorance of Charedim is astounding!

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 03:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Yoshua Says:

What about non violent civil disobedience?

“What about non violent civil disobedience?”

Azoy...what about it?? When Ghandi and MLK engaged in non-violent civil disobedience they expected to go to jail for their beliefs. These 11 chareidim are charged with violent behavior so whats your point.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 03:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
plain yid Says:

When isaw the above picture all I see is two of my brothers very angry at each other and I want to cry.let us pray for achdus and love for our fellow jew

you are 100% correct! you took the words out of my mouth!!
it's a really sad picture and sad situation.....
we're all brothers and sisters- there has to be a better way to negotiate on both sides...
we want mashiach now! may he come speedily in our days. Amen!

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 05:02 PM Upset! Says:

Why should these 11 guys not sit in prison? If they broke the law why should they not?! The gedoilim never said we should burn dumpsters and throw rocks at soldiers and police. These soldiers are the same ones that go to war for us and protect us and now we throw rocks at them. Besides the point of breaking the law and the aspect of sinas chinam (do these law enforcers really want to hurt someone else they just doing their job!) What about hakoras hatov,- they risk theire life so that what? So that we can go and throw rocks at them?
And if you really doing it all for shabbes why dont you go and learn the halloches of shabbes to make sure you dont make a chilul shabbes!

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 04:40 PM Anonymous Says:

i know of 1 kid who all witnesses say did nothing except for being a bystander and he was arrested together with 50 other guys . They let most of the stonethrowers out and this kid is being held for 2 weeks without bail or charges just because the cop who arrested him is a major rosho . So much for justice in the medina .

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 05:59 PM Bunimfrombrooklyn Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

i know of 1 kid who all witnesses say did nothing except for being a bystander and he was arrested together with 50 other guys . They let most of the stonethrowers out and this kid is being held for 2 weeks without bail or charges just because the cop who arrested him is a major rosho . So much for justice in the medina .

You know of one
I know of more than one

that's why it's a "lose lose" situation since the people rioting are wrong and against the gedolim who just said to "daven kabbalas shabbos outdoors"
BUT the stupid Russian goyish Yassamnickim just grab and beat whoever they can get there hands on

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 06:05 PM knowitall Says:

Reply to #14  
Ben Says:

I love when people comment how the Orthodox in Israel do not serve in the Army,contribute nothing etc... I wonder how many of those commenters would be serving in the Army if they lived in Israel, or would they chicken out? Unless you served in the Army you are NOT able to work in the state of Israel until you are well into your 30's!!!!
many young bochurim are forced to sit and learn when they would love to work! If they go into the Army,even the Nachal Chareid divisions, they are stigmatized and ruin their shidduch etc....Americans tend to think that every culture is like theirs and think that all experiences mirror theirs, when its the furthest thing from the truth!
The reason why many Americans dont make Aliyah is due to the Army and Job oppurtunities which are very limited and hard to come by for non-sabras,once again a very different society than the US.All this is first hand from someone who lived there for 7 years.....

The answer to your accusation is that even if certain olim do not serve or some will not be oleh because of service in the army, at the very least, they have the decency, humanity and civility, to be "makir tov" to the IDF and, yes, even those secular Jews serving and sacrificng in the IDF, and will give them the utmost respect. These protestors are not "makir tov." They refuse to even stand silent for two minutes to acknowledge those brave IDF soldiers who died for them.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 05:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
NJ Shmuel Says:

That's right! Down with the Medina. Let's all go to Iran where we can live as Jews. Even better, Even better, let's catch a flight to one of the MANY, MANY Asian or European countries that welcome Jews. Oh, I forgot you call them Yidden. When was the last time you were in Colombia, Argentine or...?

Come on Israel bashers. Throw your stones. Just remember where the Mirrer, Brisk and a host of other Yeshivas are and who is there to defend them and give them subsidies. Your xenophobic behavior belongs in Eastern Europe of 150 years ago. By the way, have you been to Minsk recently? After getting mugged at the airport, remember, you must go to the town to report yourself as a foreigner every Tuesday.

And if the Medna is so bad, don't go there for yeshiva. You can learn just as well in Tokyo, they have little distraction and little love of Jews/Yidden.

Big mouth, were you ever roughed up by those wild geese / Israeli police just for attending a protest? or just for standing in the police's evil path?
You're sitting back in NY in your living room preaching of the beauty of the infamous Israeli police..

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 05:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

"They should try to settle it with d rabbonim on a diplomatic manner.”

These bochurim are charged under criminal laws with assault with intent of inflicting bodily harm, not with some civil matter. The rabbonim should step back and allow the courts to adjudicate whether they are guilty or whether they were "innocent bystanders" and simply swept up by the police. I'm not sure what the rabbonim might contribute since their call for the demonstration is the reason they were arrested in the first place. Certainly, the accused did not act in a diplomatic manner, although I'm sure some will blame it all on the police.

YES sir! I'd blame it on the unmannered uncivilized Israeli police. or atleast show even respect to the citizens of your country, don't tolerate police brutality! let's see some indictments on the police officers that used brutal excessive force against civilians!

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 06:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

i know of 1 kid who all witnesses say did nothing except for being a bystander and he was arrested together with 50 other guys . They let most of the stonethrowers out and this kid is being held for 2 weeks without bail or charges just because the cop who arrested him is a major rosho . So much for justice in the medina .

I was visiting with my brother in Jerusalem a couple of years ago, we were standing shabos afternoon on Bar-Ilan parkway when a Shabbos march passed by, all of sudden the police got wild and started hitting right and left with sticks and batons, the crowd dispersed as every body started running to all directions, then they arrested one person after another, we were still standing in place, after all we're just visitors from NY, we didn't exactly look like the typical jerusalemites.. but when the police had really gone wilder and more aggressive, we decided to leave the place and run as all others did.
All of sudden 2 police officers came running from across to our direction from a side street, and they yelled at us "go! go!" so we continued running, then I heard a heart wrenching scream and plea from behind me, I turned around to see the 2 officers hitting my brother while another one tried to put cuffs on him, I started pleading with them in english, my brother a choshuver yungerman just started crying like a baby, but to them It didn't mean anything.
He was taken to prison in shabos for overnight, sunday morning he was freed, they took him to questioning and saw he can't even speak hebrew, so they dismissed him, of course - with no apology.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 06:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Upset! Says:

Why should these 11 guys not sit in prison? If they broke the law why should they not?! The gedoilim never said we should burn dumpsters and throw rocks at soldiers and police. These soldiers are the same ones that go to war for us and protect us and now we throw rocks at them. Besides the point of breaking the law and the aspect of sinas chinam (do these law enforcers really want to hurt someone else they just doing their job!) What about hakoras hatov,- they risk theire life so that what? So that we can go and throw rocks at them?
And if you really doing it all for shabbes why dont you go and learn the halloches of shabbes to make sure you dont make a chilul shabbes!

So you - internet blogger - understand better than the choshuva rabbonim that ordered the thousands of people to come out to DEFEND THE HOLY SHABBOS!!
Klal yisroel will not listen to you and to all other ignorant people that take their knowledge off the newspapers and internet, klal yisroel will obey and follow the holy rabbonim and the Torah.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 05:42 PM Raphael Kaufman Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

“What about non violent civil disobedience?”

Azoy...what about it?? When Ghandi and MLK engaged in non-violent civil disobedience they expected to go to jail for their beliefs. These 11 chareidim are charged with violent behavior so whats your point.

What's YOU'RE point? Ghandi and MLK protested passively. They didn't set dumpsters on fire or throw things at the police. They allowed themselves to be beaten and arrested without fighting back. Compared to Sheriff Bull Connors and the Montomery AL PD, the Jerusalem Mishtarah are models of fairness and civility.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 07:35 PM JD Says:

Reply to #14  
Ben Says:

I love when people comment how the Orthodox in Israel do not serve in the Army,contribute nothing etc... I wonder how many of those commenters would be serving in the Army if they lived in Israel, or would they chicken out? Unless you served in the Army you are NOT able to work in the state of Israel until you are well into your 30's!!!!
many young bochurim are forced to sit and learn when they would love to work! If they go into the Army,even the Nachal Chareid divisions, they are stigmatized and ruin their shidduch etc....Americans tend to think that every culture is like theirs and think that all experiences mirror theirs, when its the furthest thing from the truth!
The reason why many Americans dont make Aliyah is due to the Army and Job oppurtunities which are very limited and hard to come by for non-sabras,once again a very different society than the US.All this is first hand from someone who lived there for 7 years.....

Ben, unfortunately your comment "they are stigmatized and ruin their shidduch " is indicative of a systemic problem. The violence and associated Chillul Hashem is a symptom of a break down in Torah values and the way that these particular "charedim" represent the Torah. If these were truly Bnei Torah, they would have had a Kumzitz. said tehilim and davened for the neshomos of the poor Tinokim Shnishba that would use the services of the parking lot on Shabbos Kodesh.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 07:25 PM PMO Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

i know of 1 kid who all witnesses say did nothing except for being a bystander and he was arrested together with 50 other guys . They let most of the stonethrowers out and this kid is being held for 2 weeks without bail or charges just because the cop who arrested him is a major rosho . So much for justice in the medina .

The answer is sad... but simple. There is a saying in America... "If you sleep with a dog.... you're bound to get fleas".

It is very true. Those who showed up for this "protest" knew very well that there would be those who would commit violence.... but they showed up anyway.

As I said before... when Martin Luther King marched, he insisted that everyone march arm-in-arm. The reason, as he later wrote, was to ensure that everyone kept the peace. No matter how many pieces of human trash hurled racial slurs at them... no matter how many people threw rocks and eggs at them... no matter how many KKK members showed up on the street... they marched arm-in-arm and they sang. MLK proved that strength of spirit.... a mission of righteousness... and a belief in 100% PEACEFUL protest is a million times more powerful than a crowd of stone throwers. The people of the USA took notice... the world took notice... and through that incredible strength an entire generation changed their ways for the better and made humanity better.

How sad that some of us, through the throwing of stones and dirty diapers at police, will continue to remind the world that they are nothing but street trash to be spit on. If I were there.... I would have spit on them too.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 07:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

i know of 1 kid who all witnesses say did nothing except for being a bystander and he was arrested together with 50 other guys . They let most of the stonethrowers out and this kid is being held for 2 weeks without bail or charges just because the cop who arrested him is a major rosho . So much for justice in the medina .

would you go step into a war zone just to watch? i dont think so , because if you did u would be very prone to getting injured. you have no buissiness being there . PERIOD!

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 08:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

would you go step into a war zone just to watch? i dont think so , because if you did u would be very prone to getting injured. you have no buissiness being there . PERIOD!

Thats nonsense . People have a right to walk the streets to go to shul or elsewhere . These yassamim just beat up anybody they finf . Belive me the trouble ,makers run away and its mostly the innocent bystanders wwalking home from shul ,who are arrested and beaten up bloody with no warning of any kind .

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 06:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

So you - internet blogger - understand better than the choshuva rabbonim that ordered the thousands of people to come out to DEFEND THE HOLY SHABBOS!!
Klal yisroel will not listen to you and to all other ignorant people that take their knowledge off the newspapers and internet, klal yisroel will obey and follow the holy rabbonim and the Torah.

Who do you think is Klal yisroel. Over 80 percent of the population of EY are not chareidi and are either secular jews, modern orthodox or goyim. You can lead the parade but you who will follow you. The responsible orthodox leadership and public officials do not condone these demonstrations. The "chosuva rabbonim" who do are clearly not in a position to dictate to "Klal Yisroel".

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 09:53 PM Anonymous Says:

>If they go into the Army,even the Nachal Chareid divisions, they are stigmatized and ruin their shidduch etc<

Ever hear of having the courage of your convictions and depending on Siyata D'Shmaya to guide you in doing the right thing? Many of us have to do that each and every day as we work and live amongst goyim (and others). Give it a try one day!

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 09:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

Who do you think is Klal yisroel. Over 80 percent of the population of EY are not chareidi and are either secular jews, modern orthodox or goyim. You can lead the parade but you who will follow you. The responsible orthodox leadership and public officials do not condone these demonstrations. The "chosuva rabbonim" who do are clearly not in a position to dictate to "Klal Yisroel".

You made a statement that identifies you as a chiloni (freya) or goy, so anything you have to say about yiddishkeit is irrelevant. period.
Klal yisroel is the yidden bound by and obeying the torah. chiloni yidden have nothing with the torah, and have nothing to speak in name of the torah that is so strange to them.

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 Jul 01, 2009 at 11:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Let them do some jail time. Show the community that this type of behaviour is not acceptable.

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 Jul 02, 2009 at 07:38 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #33  
Anonymous Says:

You made a statement that identifies you as a chiloni (freya) or goy, so anything you have to say about yiddishkeit is irrelevant. period.
Klal yisroel is the yidden bound by and obeying the torah. chiloni yidden have nothing with the torah, and have nothing to speak in name of the torah that is so strange to them.

Thats great except that I am a frumme yid (MO shul) but in this case I do not agree with the direction the chareidim and their leadership are taking in this shabbos parking issue. Today I hear on th news that this shabbos they will be organizing a march with thousand of yinglach in front. This is madness and they are risking the saftey of children for their political agenda. I'm sure many of them truly believe in protecting the sanctity of shabbos but too many of them simply "get off" on confrontation with the police and security forces and putting children at risk it a bigger chilul hashem than anything they have done thusfar.

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 Jul 02, 2009 at 08:00 AM Anonymous Says:

We could all learn from the great Amora Shmuel who had good relations with King Shapura of Bavel, and proclaimed "dina demalchusa dina."

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 Jul 02, 2009 at 07:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

If they think this will stop d protests, they're big time mistaking, it will only rise the tentions and intensify d situation.
They should try to settle it with d rabbonim on a diplomatic manner.

What begins undiplomatically ends undiplomatically.

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 Jul 02, 2009 at 10:02 AM moish Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

We could all learn from the great Amora Shmuel who had good relations with King Shapura of Bavel, and proclaimed "dina demalchusa dina."

In EY there is no dina demalchusa (ran nedarim 28a), this is even from a king who is shomer torah umitzvos and his kingdom is instituted by the torah, jews who have set up a state on their own accord and created laws not based on the torah it goes without saying.

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 Jul 02, 2009 at 10:01 AM moish Says:

Reply to #21  
knowitall Says:

The answer to your accusation is that even if certain olim do not serve or some will not be oleh because of service in the army, at the very least, they have the decency, humanity and civility, to be "makir tov" to the IDF and, yes, even those secular Jews serving and sacrificng in the IDF, and will give them the utmost respect. These protestors are not "makir tov." They refuse to even stand silent for two minutes to acknowledge those brave IDF soldiers who died for them.

"They refuse to even stand silent for two minutes to acknowledge those brave IDF soldiers who died for them" Why do they have to stand silent in order to acknowledge them? Why can't they do it without standing silent? What gives the state the authority to institute new "mitzvos"? The torah says lo sosif.

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 Jul 02, 2009 at 02:23 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #38  
moish Says:

In EY there is no dina demalchusa (ran nedarim 28a), this is even from a king who is shomer torah umitzvos and his kingdom is instituted by the torah, jews who have set up a state on their own accord and created laws not based on the torah it goes without saying.

In any case, whether it applies or it doesn't, what does a rule about property ownership have to do with this story?

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 Jul 02, 2009 at 02:56 PM moish Says:

Reply to #40  
Milhouse Says:

In any case, whether it applies or it doesn't, what does a rule about property ownership have to do with this story?

You are right, I was just correcting #36 incorrect statement

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