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"The struggle on behalf of Shabbos have taken place for decades around the country, in particular in Jerusalem," said Rav Lau. "One of the lessons we learned is that what one can accomplish when negotiating around a table cannot be accomplished when setting dumpsters on fire and calling policemen names -- not to mention throwing stones and other objects.
"This way is widening the chasm between those who observe Shabbos and those who violate it until it will be nigh impossible to bridge the gaping abyss. There is no substitute for explaining to the other side, teaching him and sitting at a round table. The City Council must meet as soon as possible to discuss the matter of the parking lots, and relations between the different population sectors in Jerusalem. A dialogue like this, to the best of my knowledge, was not yet carried out.
"I understand the outcry and pain felt by the demonstrators for the honor of Shabbos kodesh, but the goal does not justify the means."
Turning to the capital's police, Rav Lau asked them to show restraint when dealing with the demonstrators. "They are not criminals who are committing a crime, but their pain at seeing Shabbos desecration has brought them to say words that are inappropriate to a true ben Torah."
Finally addressing the demonstrators, Rav Lau concluded, "Throwing a stone, whether during the weekday or on Shabbos, and calling a policeman who is fulfilling his job "Nazi", should be unheard of among Jews who observe Torah and mitzvos and abide by ethical values."
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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:09 AM anonymous Says:
Rabbi Lau has a better perspective what a Yid is he was in the same block as I was in Buchenwald , block 66 the children block. Some of the Mea Shearim kodshe kudishim sat down with the those who advocate block 66
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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:07 AM Anonymous Says:
Bravo!
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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:14 AM Anonymous Says:
With debating Rabbi Lau's comment, I have a question, how come we never heard Rabbi Lau speak up about Chillul Shabbos?
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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:16 AM Anonymous Says:
Rav Lau
Your comments that throwing stones and using the word Nazi is unacceptable is more than correct, there is no excuse for that behavier, but at the same time please also make your comments that beating demonostrators and using exxecive force is worse than talking
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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:20 AM got hit by them as a bypasser Says:
for the Rabbi's info. most riot police are not jewish they are either russian goyim or druzim and nazis they are!
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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:20 AM shmilu Says:
todays generation has no inkling no comprehention of what the holocaust generation indured went through absolultly non to compare another yid to natzis is uncontionable laider the newr generation forgot history or never knew it what a shame especialy to jews who speak like that of another jew
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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:25 AM Anonymous Says:
If you notice, the rabbis statements are always to the point. He is admirable in all Jewish communities. Why? Because he makes sans.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:24 AM Anonymous Says:
the chillul shabbes and gross chillul hashem doesn't seem to bother him as much, as calling these reshoim, nazis. nebech that these are considered today's leaders.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:22 AM Anonymous Says:
I guess if someone acts like a natzi he is one
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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:30 AM Anonymous Says:
He works for the government.this is why this secular govt needs a Rabbi.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:44 AM Shmuel Says:
rabbi lau is a holy man...let us all listen to his words.....we need unity amongst all segments of the jewish people...
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Jul 05, 2009 at 11:01 AM michale Says:
“ With debating Rabbi Lau's comment, I have a question, how come we never heard Rabbi Lau speak up about Chillul Shabbos? ”
I would suggest you read a recent interview of Rabbi Lau in the Hamodia (6/17 or 6/24) where Rabbi Lau convinced many yidden in Netanya and Tel Aviv to close shops on Shabbos. He used his love of klal yisroel rather than throwing rocks and burning garbage bins to successfully bring Shabbos awarenes to many Jews.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:57 AM Anonymous Says:
How can this rav, a Holocaust survivor, dare to go against the young radicals who are behind the violence and who somehow have hoodwinked the haredi establishment (see, for example, the ridiculous article about how a police helicopter disturbed the sleep of haredi residents--what do you expect when there are rioters, if not police on horseback and police helicopters?) ?!? He should be playing along with the rest of the silent majority and just accepting the haredi version of events, rather than standing up for common sense!
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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:57 AM kingsley the Cuchim Says:
#10 I was personally present on a Kol Nidre night when Rabbi Lau personally stood up to the entire top govt echelon who were present Yom Kippur night . He has always stood up for the rights of all Jews but especially for Kovod Hatorah.
Klal Yisroel can win the hearts of the secular public with Ahava, Kiruv and dialouge.
There is no doubt the governments have been hostile to the rights of the religous, but it has also been a two way street. Hareidim should never stoop to the madreiga of the Labor socialists who were sonei all frum yeedin.
Yeedin should ask for vote on this issue , and must abide by the results as if they do not participate in the democratic process and aloof , their protests should be
ignored... Where is the tzetalech promoting the protests from the Gedolim like the issur of the concerts and Lipa. I guess those are more deserving a document.
Rabbi Lau is not disagreeing with the protests and their issue just the vulgar character of the manner they protest in.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 11:25 AM Anonymous Says:
Rabbi Lau is a wise man, and all others who are criticizing him on this forum are kannaim shotim.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 11:41 AM Anonymous Says:
Just wait when millhouse will accuses Rabbi Lau as being a liar who was never in the camps, alternative he is old and don’t have Dase Torah.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 11:38 AM Anonymous Says:
It is indeed improper to call the Israeli police Nazis, it is also improper and unheard of in a civilized democratic country to treat demonstrators the way those uncivilized Israeli police officers treat them.
They perform the worst forms of police brutality with their vicious attacks and excessive force, then they come crying that they're being called nazis, and then the youngsters set dumpsters on fire as a backlash on the wild sadistic police behavior.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 11:37 AM yoel Says:
thank you rabbi lau for speaking out. it was bothering me that a yid call s another yid a nazi. it bothered me to no end. thanks for speaking out. you are a true leader. the deomnstartors made a huge chilul hashem they deserved to be beaten. i also beleive through that demonstration it was merachik for yidden from yidishkeit. some rabbonim have no idea way out of touch.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 11:56 AM Anonymous Says:
I'm just wondering what Rabbi Lau would say by the Mekoshesh Eitzim where Hashem tokd Moshe Rabieni to stone him
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Jul 05, 2009 at 12:18 PM To #19 Says:
Right, what you said makes sense because we live in the times of Moshe Rabino and it is mutter for Yid to stone another yid with out a bais din.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 12:20 PM abisel seichel Says:
“ for the Rabbi's info. most riot police are not jewish they are either russian goyim or druzim and nazis they are! ”
"for your info these extremists from Mea Shearim have been screaming Nazis at the
Police for about 50 years decades before the Russian goyim came to Israel"
these same extremists were cowering during the six day war from the Jordanian
bombs and mortars and waiting for these "Nazis" to push back the Arabs and rescue
them.
They have zero manners.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 12:25 PM AW Says:
To No: 8:
Who says the chilul shabbos doesn't bother him? But that doesnt give any person the right to use violence, stones and burning cars and dumpsters? Calling someone a nazi is the worst aveira even chilul shabbos. Especially we the next generation. That term should be reserved for Hitler or his henchmen only. If a goy or the chiloni used that term we would be outraged. Rabbi Lau has caused more stores to close on shabbos and brought people back to shmiras shabbos in Netanye that the eida has done in their entire history. NOT ONE PERSONE BECAME FRUM BY GETTING HIT IN THE HEAD WITH A STONE! If you believe that it did happen, you are a fool. That said, I do respect the Eida but their tactics are to be condemned. Derocheho darchei noam vechol nesivoiseho sholom is the only way and has been throughout our tragic history.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 12:59 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Right, what you said makes sense because we live in the times of Moshe Rabino and it is mutter for Yid to stone another yid with out a bais din. ”
19 just wrote he is wondering that's all he did not pasken if its muter or not
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Jul 05, 2009 at 12:49 PM Anonymous Says:
Kol Hakavod to moreinbu vrabbeinu hagaon harav harashi Horav Lau shlita
for standing up for what is truly right and good and for saying what needs to be said to the fake frummies for their "holier than thou" atitudes towards fellow jews and for their sinas chinam and chilul hashem.
Yashar Koach Rabbi Lau !!!
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Jul 05, 2009 at 01:20 PM Avrohom Abba Says:
The demonstrators would accomplish MUCH MORE, if they smiled and handed out Tehilim sforim to each and every soldier and police person.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 01:39 PM AS Says:
To No. 8:
Where in the torah does it give license to correct someone's aveiro with your own? Where in the Torah does it allow the Eida to be oiver on mazik? People's private property? They should be held financially responsible for this nezek and be sued? They are causing a worse chilul Hashem than the parking lot. You can't force people to be shomer shabbos. In the meantime life must go on? Nobody is forcing the chareidim to use the parking lot on shabbos.
Rabbi Lau has more sense and yashrus than anyone in the Chareida? Learn up about him and you will see how much in frumkeit he has accomplished-without a stone thrown. Rioting and destruction has no place in Torah and Yiddishket no matter what the goal is. Shame on all the Rabbonim who don't condemn these actions. Knowing how to learn carries with it a big responsibility - to be true leaders. Shaking a fist and cursing the police is not the derech! What do you want them to do? Allow the Chareidim freedom to burn injure and riot. When this happens we always blame the police. They are our brothers and only doing their job. When the chareidim commit mass violence, they have crossed the line and deserve to be treated harshly. We would expect no less than if the blacks, goyim or even chilonim riot. Only with Ahavas Yisroel can we accomplish shmiras shabbos and kiyum hamitzvos.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 02:33 PM Anonymous Says:
Those rabbonim who have promoted these demonstrations don't deserve to even be considered in the same class as rav Lau shlita. His words show what is so desparately missing among those hareidi rabbonim--common sense and ahavas yisroel. The hareidi rabbonim should be zoche to have even a fraction of the midos and leadership skills exhibited by rav Lau.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 03:42 PM VL Says:
RABBI LAU, YOU ARE MY HERO!
YOU ARE A MODEL OF A TRUE RAV B'YISRAEL. MAY HASHEM REWARD YOU WITH A LONG PRODUCTIVE LIFE. KOL HAKAVOD!
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Jul 05, 2009 at 04:29 PM Shmuel Says:
“ I'm just wondering what Rabbi Lau would say by the Mekoshesh Eitzim where Hashem tokd Moshe Rabieni to stone him ”
i suspect he, rabbi lau a concentration camp survivor, would follow the almightys direct command with tears in his eyes and with awe and trepidation and the utmost humility..rabbi lau is a holy man.. we need to treat him as such...with jewish unity amongst all segments of our people we will hasten the redemption...
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Jul 05, 2009 at 04:27 PM cp Says:
As usual, Rav Lau's statements are poignant and correct. It's a shame these trouble makers won't listen to him.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 05:01 PM Shmuel Says:
“ I'm just wondering what Rabbi Lau would say by the Mekoshesh Eitzim where Hashem tokd Moshe Rabieni to stone him ”
one more thought mr annonymous,....if you invoke the era of the desert and moses..remember that then there are only 7 days of passover and sukot, and they actually slaughtered animals for sacrifices...chicken if available was not meat and could be consumed with milk....and on passover you could eat corn if it was available...lastly you had a sanhedrin annointed by moses to adjudicate capital cases...so stop this anachronistic nonsense ...grow up you live in the year 5769 and judaism is not the same as it was with moses in the desert..
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Jul 05, 2009 at 06:09 PM shimon Says:
This is a website for JEWS who are SHOMREI TORAH. Please go away!
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Jul 05, 2009 at 06:47 PM reaaly Says:
#32...and what criminal past is that?.....tell....fess up
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Jul 05, 2009 at 06:45 PM Anonymous Says:
Rabbi Lau is one of the few rational rabbonim left in the orthodox community within EY....why do you insult him like this. There are strong emotions on both sides of the shabbos parking issue and the Chareidim will have to learn that eretz yisrloyel is not a theocracy but a land where all jews can live together peacefully. Rav Lau has offered Chareidim some badly needed musar. Hopefully they will accept his guidance before the most extreme elements of the Chareidim are forced to leave yerushalayim
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Jul 05, 2009 at 06:18 PM berel Says:
#27 rabbi lou has rubbed off to much of the secular world
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Jul 05, 2009 at 06:59 PM Anonymous Says:
“ This is a website for JEWS who are SHOMREI TORAH. Please go away! ”
this wensite is for the entire world to see and read. get a clue
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Jul 05, 2009 at 07:26 PM Anonymous Says:
“ #27 rabbi lou has rubbed off to much of the secular world ”
Don’t you dare to speak ill of a Jew who came out of the camps and still believing in God, subsequently studied to become a Rabbi, and made it, if you were not in the camps, you will never ever equate your willingness to give your life to be a Jew to a survivor , compatible you are noting in the eyes of Hashem.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 08:08 PM shimon Says:
“ this wensite is for the entire world to see and read. get a clue ”
Anyone can eat in a kosher restaurant. But the moment you bring there pork they'll show you the door.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 08:22 PM a concerned yid Says:
Kudos to Rabbi Lau. It is time someone sttod upp to those thugs in the Eida. a peaceful demonstation is OK, but oncethose animals start throwing stones they are worse than the Mayor. the Mayor is only allowing nonjews to work on shabbos, while those punks throwing stones ARE THEMSELVES being michallel shabbos
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Jul 05, 2009 at 08:02 PM Anonymous Says:
So bottom line is like this ...what more chilul shabos is going on we have to show them more and more love till we go out of mesikos loving them ...now from the other side all this chariedi protesters who are taking hashems side we have to hate more and more and this is coming from yiden that know how to spell VOSIZNEIAS
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Jul 05, 2009 at 07:58 PM Dov Says:
Finally, a true gadol
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Jul 05, 2009 at 07:51 PM Anonymous Says:
Rabbi Lau is correct in his thinking. Rioting will get you nowhere, and it will make more enemies. There should be peaceful protests.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 08:29 PM berel Says:
#38 i do dare, and its no excuse to cover up for these police reshoim who are especially picked for their hate of religious jews, get it ?!
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Jul 05, 2009 at 09:04 PM Anonymous Says:
“ #38 i do dare, and its no excuse to cover up for these police reshoim who are especially picked for their hate of religious jews, get it ?! ”
Well if you believe in yourself, that, you are willing to stand in the court of Hashem when you will have to answer for your views without any calculations or trepidations good luck you will need it. I hope that you will repent before you reach your destination, and remember you will need to ask for forgiveness from Rav Lau as you know that even Yom Kippur will not help so you might as well jump on a flight to Israel right now, you really don’t know when Hashem will call for you.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 09:33 PM berel Says:
#44 and you will have to ask forgivness in the court of hashem that you sweep under the rug the true holy gedolai yisroel , not a paid lackey of the heretical goverment.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 09:33 PM berel Says:
#44 and you will have to ask forgivness in the court of hashem that you sweep under the rug the true holy gedolai yisroel , not a paid lackey of the heretical goverment.
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Jul 05, 2009 at 09:42 PM Anonymous Says:
“ #44 and you will have to ask forgivness in the court of hashem that you sweep under the rug the true holy gedolai yisroel , not a paid lackey of the heretical goverment. ”
“ #44 and you will have to ask forgivness in the court of hashem that you sweep under the rug the true holy gedolai yisroel , not a paid lackey of the heretical goverment. ”
True gedolai yisrael? Which ones do you mean? The ones who stand guard outside Rav Elyoshiv's room and make sure he only hears whatever will cause him to pasken the way they want him to pasken?
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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:02 PM Anonymous Says:
“ #44 and you will have to ask forgivness in the court of hashem that you sweep under the rug the true holy gedolai yisroel , not a paid lackey of the heretical goverment. ”
“ #44 and you will have to ask forgivness in the court of hashem that you sweep under the rug the true holy gedolai yisroel , not a paid lackey of the heretical goverment. ”
Nothing wrong with disagreeing with Rabbi Lau.
Your inability to do so in a mentchlich way proves your disagreeing opinion is not worth worrying about.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 12:36 AM Rochel Says:
all my support to Rabbi Lau for his words on this purpose, I've always been against these demonstrations, fights between Israelis citizen and neturei karta and other chareidim, even though i'm chareidi, i believe in ahavas yisroel first and reject any form of violence, words or physical...
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Jul 06, 2009 at 06:57 AM Shimon Taylor Says:
I even cried when I saw this article.
Is this all that can be said for all the mesiras nefesh?
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Jul 06, 2009 at 08:21 AM Anonymous Says:
“ for the Rabbi's info. most riot police are not jewish they are either russian goyim or druzim and nazis they are! ”
How do you know this???
You were simply passing by a few thousand screaming chasidim... Didnt you think there were better places to be???
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Jul 06, 2009 at 09:18 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I even cried when I saw this article.
Is this all that can be said for all the mesiras nefesh?
”
Mesiras nefesh for what?
My brother in law neboch also displays great mesiras nefesh.
For football games. So what?
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Jul 06, 2009 at 10:03 AM Yossi Says:
Dear Rabbi Lau...What do you call a police officer who grabs a bucher by his neck ,choking him,arresting him,and keeping in prison for 10 days without being charged..? Dont you think that NAZI is very appropiate.? Why are we trying to protect those officers and NOT those innocent bucherin who followed the instruction of the Gedolei Hador to go out and demonstrate...One bucher who has been arrested and still in prison is from Boro Park and he has over 15 wittness that saw him do NOTHING.......Thats how the NAZIS grabbed jews and put them onto a train to Auschwitz...
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Jul 06, 2009 at 10:25 AM Satmar Man Says:
I DO support the concept of protesting and demonstrating against chillul shabbos. The demonstrators are right to do this.
That being said, throwing rocks is not appropriate, and certainly it is horrific to call any Jew a Nazi
But any raised voices which come out against the WAY the protesters acted MUST also be EQUALLY loud in raising his voices against the chillul Shabbos.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 10:43 AM Jew Says:
I will not even look on the rest of the comments.
I looked at some of them and it is ridicules. Here you have a Bis Din of the world’s most famous religious leaders. Rabbis like Rav Weiss who is a known Talmid Chuchim for years. You have a Gudil like Rav Strenbuch who is among the top poskim in Haluche. These rabbis are always condemning anything bad which happens in Eretz Yisroel, not because they’re Iranians or anti-Semites, they love every Jew the most, they, who learn and daven all their lives, have more love to all of us then the government who are not keeping shabbos, fressing treif, and formost leading a Jewish Government which all of the Gedoilim in the past, including the holy Chazun Ish, banned it.
On the other hand, there is a Rabbi called Rav Lau, who we truly admire being a Holocaust survivor who lost everything, he came back as an orphan child and was able to get a rabbi. But he is still not close to anyone in Eidah Hachridis. He is clearly not annoyed about the Chilul Shabbos what is going on in the holy land, or about the millions of Jewish children who are not saying and have no idea of Shma Yisroel.
I would simply say to Rav Lau: Shame on you on behalf of Klal Yisroel! Hashem rescued you from the evil Natzi gang; you had miracles happen to you being the lone child survivor in a death camp; do you thing all of this happened so you would be able to greed the Pope, the leader of the christen world who is definitely not holy or anything alike? Or being able to connect yourself to people who Tadikim like the Chazon Ish, who had enough Ahavas Yisroel, didn’t want to look at them as it is well-known how he acted when the first leader of the so-called Jewish state visited his home and he turned his holy face away not to look in ht efface of an evil person as the Haluche is.
No words can describe the pain of Klal Yisroel that people who are rabbis and scholars are those who support the act of individuals who are following the philosophy of Hertzel Yemach Shemoi who didn’t even performed Bris Milah on his children.
We hope that this 61 year old tragedy for Klal Yisroel will be over soon with the coming of Mushiach Soon, Umen.
For all of you VIN readers, I apologize for not having the best English; I still live in Eretz Yisroel where it’s not the first language.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 10:52 AM Sickened Says:
“ Dear Rabbi Lau...What do you call a police officer who grabs a bucher by his neck ,choking him,arresting him,and keeping in prison for 10 days without being charged..? Dont you think that NAZI is very appropiate.? Why are we trying to protect those officers and NOT those innocent bucherin who followed the instruction of the Gedolei Hador to go out and demonstrate...One bucher who has been arrested and still in prison is from Boro Park and he has over 15 wittness that saw him do NOTHING.......Thats how the NAZIS grabbed jews and put them onto a train to Auschwitz... ”
What do you call a bochur who is mevatel torah and mevatel zman by breaking the law and disturbing the peace and annoying going to accomplish nothing by screaming and yelling at another jew who has a legal right to behave in the manner which he was unfortunate enough to be raised and is all he knows?
THE POLICE - THEY ARE NOT NAZIS! not by any means.
Rabbi Lau suffered at the hands of the REAL nazis, he was there, he saw them, hwe suffered HE KNOWS what a real nazi is. If he says that stupid young bopchurs calling the police have chutzpah to label them as nazis then he - the chief rabbi is RIGHT.
and you sir, yossi the plebe are wrong, you are very very wrong.
HOW DARE YOU tell rabbi Lau howe the bnazis treated people on the trains. Were YOU there? did YOU see? Because rabbi Lau was - and he did see, and he was one of those children on the trains. So shut your azis punim chutzpadik little trap and do some teshuva!
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Jul 06, 2009 at 10:48 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I DO support the concept of protesting and demonstrating against chillul shabbos. The demonstrators are right to do this.
That being said, throwing rocks is not appropriate, and certainly it is horrific to call any Jew a Nazi
But any raised voices which come out against the WAY the protesters acted MUST also be EQUALLY loud in raising his voices against the chillul Shabbos. ”
Tehy are wrong, very very wrong.
Its a sure fire way to chase the people even further away from religion and frumkeit. so if anything, these people are Retzochim!
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Jul 06, 2009 at 11:27 AM berel Says:
#57...#56 said it all...
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Jul 06, 2009 at 11:05 AM Mamishnora Says:
“ I will not even look on the rest of the comments.
I looked at some of them and it is ridicules. Here you have a Bis Din of the world’s most famous religious leaders. Rabbis like Rav Weiss who is a known Talmid Chuchim for years. You have a Gudil like Rav Strenbuch who is among the top poskim in Haluche. These rabbis are always condemning anything bad which happens in Eretz Yisroel, not because they’re Iranians or anti-Semites, they love every Jew the most, they, who learn and daven all their lives, have more love to all of us then the government who are not keeping shabbos, fressing treif, and formost leading a Jewish Government which all of the Gedoilim in the past, including the holy Chazun Ish, banned it.
On the other hand, there is a Rabbi called Rav Lau, who we truly admire being a Holocaust survivor who lost everything, he came back as an orphan child and was able to get a rabbi. But he is still not close to anyone in Eidah Hachridis. He is clearly not annoyed about the Chilul Shabbos what is going on in the holy land, or about the millions of Jewish children who are not saying and have no idea of Shma Yisroel.
I would simply say to Rav Lau: Shame on you on behalf of Klal Yisroel! Hashem rescued you from the evil Natzi gang; you had miracles happen to you being the lone child survivor in a death camp; do you thing all of this happened so you would be able to greed the Pope, the leader of the christen world who is definitely not holy or anything alike? Or being able to connect yourself to people who Tadikim like the Chazon Ish, who had enough Ahavas Yisroel, didn’t want to look at them as it is well-known how he acted when the first leader of the so-called Jewish state visited his home and he turned his holy face away not to look in ht efface of an evil person as the Haluche is.
No words can describe the pain of Klal Yisroel that people who are rabbis and scholars are those who support the act of individuals who are following the philosophy of Hertzel Yemach Shemoi who didn’t even performed Bris Milah on his children.
We hope that this 61 year old tragedy for Klal Yisroel will be over soon with the coming of Mushiach Soon, Umen.
For all of you VIN readers, I apologize for not having the best English; I still live in Eretz Yisroel where it’s not the first language. ”
Rabbi Goldwicht who founded the hesder yeshiva system and started yeshivat kerem byavneh was a close talmid of the chazon ish. Rabbi lau goes to the yeshiva every year.
When was the last time they invited him to speak in maalot dafnah in the "mir" ???
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Jul 06, 2009 at 11:04 AM Mamishnora Says:
“ I will not even look on the rest of the comments.
I looked at some of them and it is ridicules. Here you have a Bis Din of the world’s most famous religious leaders. Rabbis like Rav Weiss who is a known Talmid Chuchim for years. You have a Gudil like Rav Strenbuch who is among the top poskim in Haluche. These rabbis are always condemning anything bad which happens in Eretz Yisroel, not because they’re Iranians or anti-Semites, they love every Jew the most, they, who learn and daven all their lives, have more love to all of us then the government who are not keeping shabbos, fressing treif, and formost leading a Jewish Government which all of the Gedoilim in the past, including the holy Chazun Ish, banned it.
On the other hand, there is a Rabbi called Rav Lau, who we truly admire being a Holocaust survivor who lost everything, he came back as an orphan child and was able to get a rabbi. But he is still not close to anyone in Eidah Hachridis. He is clearly not annoyed about the Chilul Shabbos what is going on in the holy land, or about the millions of Jewish children who are not saying and have no idea of Shma Yisroel.
I would simply say to Rav Lau: Shame on you on behalf of Klal Yisroel! Hashem rescued you from the evil Natzi gang; you had miracles happen to you being the lone child survivor in a death camp; do you thing all of this happened so you would be able to greed the Pope, the leader of the christen world who is definitely not holy or anything alike? Or being able to connect yourself to people who Tadikim like the Chazon Ish, who had enough Ahavas Yisroel, didn’t want to look at them as it is well-known how he acted when the first leader of the so-called Jewish state visited his home and he turned his holy face away not to look in ht efface of an evil person as the Haluche is.
No words can describe the pain of Klal Yisroel that people who are rabbis and scholars are those who support the act of individuals who are following the philosophy of Hertzel Yemach Shemoi who didn’t even performed Bris Milah on his children.
We hope that this 61 year old tragedy for Klal Yisroel will be over soon with the coming of Mushiach Soon, Umen.
For all of you VIN readers, I apologize for not having the best English; I still live in Eretz Yisroel where it’s not the first language. ”
HOW DARE YOU?
Do you know how far and to what lengths Rabbi Lau has gone to FOR DECADES in ensuring the utmost respect and adherence to halacha in israel? he does all the dirty work that your so called gedolim dont ever want to even go near. It is because of Rabbi Lau that every marriage sanctified by the state of Israel has to be halachically sound. It is because of Rabbi Lau that the entire armed services in every base in every camp serves strictly and only mehudar Kosher food. I can go on and on and on.
you are an ignorant bufoon who obviously knows nothing about nothing.
Its a shame they dont teach you anything in midwood and monsey and lakweood.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 11:31 AM Anonymous Says:
#58..whats this about chasing away...what do you all think..your doing g-d a favor by observing the torah. you thing he's some little kid on the block who will cry and cower under the bed if you complain about the torah??? '...ki bishruris lebi eilech...lo yovah hashem seloach lo''''
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Jul 06, 2009 at 11:01 AM Yossi is a Chutzpah Says:
“ Dear Rabbi Lau...What do you call a police officer who grabs a bucher by his neck ,choking him,arresting him,and keeping in prison for 10 days without being charged..? Dont you think that NAZI is very appropiate.? Why are we trying to protect those officers and NOT those innocent bucherin who followed the instruction of the Gedolei Hador to go out and demonstrate...One bucher who has been arrested and still in prison is from Boro Park and he has over 15 wittness that saw him do NOTHING.......Thats how the NAZIS grabbed jews and put them onto a train to Auschwitz... ”
Were you there? Did you witness it? Rabbi Lau was a victim of the nazis, he not only saw what they did, he lived it. How in the world can you possibly have the gall amd the gumption to tell him what they did when he knows all to well, a thousand time better than you ever will know what they did? oyzvarf!
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Jul 06, 2009 at 10:48 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I DO support the concept of protesting and demonstrating against chillul shabbos. The demonstrators are right to do this.
That being said, throwing rocks is not appropriate, and certainly it is horrific to call any Jew a Nazi
But any raised voices which come out against the WAY the protesters acted MUST also be EQUALLY loud in raising his voices against the chillul Shabbos. ”
Rav Lau is a very brave and brilliant man. all anonymous commenters on this site combined dont hold a candle to his wisdom. you owe him a call for asking mechila
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Jul 06, 2009 at 11:54 AM shmilubacsi Says:
#56 you live in tottal fantasy you think that only you know what is right and what isnt let me tell you all youre frimkeit is worthless messiah is an illusion no such thing its like santa claus you beleive in something that doesnt exist you have no idea what life is all about writing the way you do about rav lau who went through real gehenem is an abomonation you should look at youreself in the mirror youre a gurnisht a farrikte a looser no idea of the real world because you live in neverneverland of youre own making
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Jul 06, 2009 at 12:08 PM Kippa Seruga Says:
“ Rav Lau is a very brave and brilliant man. all anonymous commenters on this site combined dont hold a candle to his wisdom. you owe him a call for asking mechila ”
This is weird. So many people here were disrespectful to Rav Lau, but the one you are attacking did not attack Rav Lau at all.
He may have added to Rav Lau said, and voiced his opinions, but I saw nothing disrespectful.
As I see it, what motivated Rav Lau is that the demonstrations crossed "over the line" into violence, destruction and calling Jews Nazis.
The man you are attacking voiced the same opinion.
The only major difference between Satmar Man and Rav Lau, is that Satmar Man did not toss out the baby with the bathwater. He said that he opposed the wrong behavior, but did not automatically oppose the demonstration, but still supported it.
Would YOU not protest government sponsored crimes which are supposed to be capital crimes? If the government allowed rape and murder, and opened rape and murder centers, would you object to a protest against that too?
Remember, Violating Shabbos is right up there with Rape and Murder according to our Torah. To say otherwise is to opposed the very foundation of Judaism.
Rape, Murder, Shabbos, Idol Worship, etc. We can't pick and choose for political correctness, and decide to give violators a pass simply because the government is so controlled by atheists, that those others in the Government think they can't speak out.
It IS tragic that all of those in Government who claim to be observant are willing to bend on this.
We need to speak out against violating Shabbos! The protests ARE correct and needed. They are a chiyuv. Shtika k'hodoa Damya. To remain silent is to agree.
I agree with Satmar Man that we need to eliminate the calling of Jews Nazis, and eliminate the stone throwing. But normal, controlled demonstrations, even those which block the road and prevent the chillul shabbos IS APPROPRIATE.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 12:34 PM Anonymous Says:
“ This is weird. So many people here were disrespectful to Rav Lau, but the one you are attacking did not attack Rav Lau at all.
He may have added to Rav Lau said, and voiced his opinions, but I saw nothing disrespectful.
As I see it, what motivated Rav Lau is that the demonstrations crossed "over the line" into violence, destruction and calling Jews Nazis.
The man you are attacking voiced the same opinion.
The only major difference between Satmar Man and Rav Lau, is that Satmar Man did not toss out the baby with the bathwater. He said that he opposed the wrong behavior, but did not automatically oppose the demonstration, but still supported it.
Would YOU not protest government sponsored crimes which are supposed to be capital crimes? If the government allowed rape and murder, and opened rape and murder centers, would you object to a protest against that too?
Remember, Violating Shabbos is right up there with Rape and Murder according to our Torah. To say otherwise is to opposed the very foundation of Judaism.
Rape, Murder, Shabbos, Idol Worship, etc. We can't pick and choose for political correctness, and decide to give violators a pass simply because the government is so controlled by atheists, that those others in the Government think they can't speak out.
It IS tragic that all of those in Government who claim to be observant are willing to bend on this.
We need to speak out against violating Shabbos! The protests ARE correct and needed. They are a chiyuv. Shtika k'hodoa Damya. To remain silent is to agree.
I agree with Satmar Man that we need to eliminate the calling of Jews Nazis, and eliminate the stone throwing. But normal, controlled demonstrations, even those which block the road and prevent the chillul shabbos IS APPROPRIATE.
”
Giluy arayos, avodah zarah and shefichas damim, are yeharaig v'al yaavor.
Picking on people who were raised differently than you and dont keep shabbos because they dont know any better is just about the worst thing a frum jew can do to not be mekaraive someone who wasnt fortunate to have the same lifestyle and upbringing.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 12:25 PM Jew Says:
“ #56 you live in tottal fantasy you think that only you know what is right and what isnt let me tell you all youre frimkeit is worthless messiah is an illusion no such thing its like santa claus you beleive in something that doesnt exist you have no idea what life is all about writing the way you do about rav lau who went through real gehenem is an abomonation you should look at youreself in the mirror youre a gurnisht a farrikte a looser no idea of the real world because you live in neverneverland of youre own making
”
You’re deffinetly right. I am a gornisht. But I am not saying my own words. All holy rabbis including Belz, Visnitz, and of course Satmar, thought us that Zionism is the ultimate reason why we are still in exile. Once it was Spain now it is Zionism and Terrorism.
I studied Rav Lau’s book called “Al Tishlach Udchu al Hannar” and I was amazed of his life story going the the Gehenim where my grandparents died al kidush hashem and I was in outraged to see how a frum man, who has a rabbinical role, is pictures with the Risheu Hadur, the people who are destroying the holy spirit of Klal Yisroel and the calue of the Holy Land.
Maybe this is what an Israeli Chief Rabbi is all about and I am proud that I am not respecting them. For me to be an honest Rav you have to comply with the Torah first. No one can answer that not waiting for Mushiach and having am independent Jewish state is ok for a real Jew. But if Having a Tominah medinah is great, Chilul Shabbos is not such a big problem, the problem is much bigger if you protest about it.
I am not supporting the violence, actually the individuals who performed it are young boys or for most simple Mieh Sheurim Yiden, but accusing them by a so-called chief rabbi is again horrifying.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 01:15 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Giluy arayos, avodah zarah and shefichas damim, are yeharaig v'al yaavor.
Picking on people who were raised differently than you and dont keep shabbos because they dont know any better is just about the worst thing a frum jew can do to not be mekaraive someone who wasnt fortunate to have the same lifestyle and upbringing. ”
NO! Being silent is condoning a capital crime!
And... encouraging it. Their neshomos are on YOUR cheshbon is you remain silent. WE MUST ALL SPEAK OUT AND PROTEST.
How do you know how many people are chozer b'teshuva because they see how important Shabbos is to us? I know some. It was the protests which brought them back... not "kiruv" work.
In fact, when we are silent, they say, "Oh, those chariedim are all phony. They don't care if WE are not religious. They have written us off. It is all a money thing." and other remarks.
The fact that we are willing to get out there and protest that THEY stop being mechallel shabbos, that we CARE about THEIR neshomas, does more to make them feel like they should come back than turning our backs on them.
Sure, not all react that way. Some have so much anger in them, so much hatred for chareidim, that there is nothing anyone can do which would not blow on the coals of that hatred.
But, don't be quick to assume protests are wrong. And... chillul Shabbos IS up there with those other avairos....
How many times does the Torah keep repeating itself about Shabbos?
Count them.
If the Torah keep repeating it, over and over and over again, maybe it is trying to tell us something.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 01:34 PM anonymous Says:
I was in block 66 in Buchenwald and the Studendienst was a man named Gustav Schiller. To all you fools and azzis ponim who dare to critize anybody who came out of this gehinnim and remained a Jew forget about being rav you should have derech eretz and that is underlying cause of the so called "hafganot" it aziz, stupid kannaim and plain proste persons
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Jul 06, 2009 at 02:53 PM anonymous Says:
“ NO! Being silent is condoning a capital crime!
And... encouraging it. Their neshomos are on YOUR cheshbon is you remain silent. WE MUST ALL SPEAK OUT AND PROTEST.
How do you know how many people are chozer b'teshuva because they see how important Shabbos is to us? I know some. It was the protests which brought them back... not "kiruv" work.
In fact, when we are silent, they say, "Oh, those chariedim are all phony. They don't care if WE are not religious. They have written us off. It is all a money thing." and other remarks.
The fact that we are willing to get out there and protest that THEY stop being mechallel shabbos, that we CARE about THEIR neshomas, does more to make them feel like they should come back than turning our backs on them.
Sure, not all react that way. Some have so much anger in them, so much hatred for chareidim, that there is nothing anyone can do which would not blow on the coals of that hatred.
But, don't be quick to assume protests are wrong. And... chillul Shabbos IS up there with those other avairos....
How many times does the Torah keep repeating itself about Shabbos?
Count them.
If the Torah keep repeating it, over and over and over again, maybe it is trying to tell us something.
”
Everybody quotes the "torah" but the torah does not tell you or order you to throw dirty diaper on people and scream and shake the fist in the face of police
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Jul 06, 2009 at 02:09 PM Jew Says:
“ I was in block 66 in Buchenwald and the Studendienst was a man named Gustav Schiller. To all you fools and azzis ponim who dare to critize anybody who came out of this gehinnim and remained a Jew forget about being rav you should have derech eretz and that is underlying cause of the so called "hafganot" it aziz, stupid kannaim and plain proste persons ”
So if he went through this gehemin and he says that we are allowed to do eviros and someone says different is he an azziz punim? You are wrong!
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Jul 06, 2009 at 02:02 PM anonymous Says:
One more suggestion. My mother A'H who was killed in Chelmno was a very wise lady and she used say "ich bin nisht G'ds polizei". If all these chachomim would worry about their olam habbo and yenems olam hazeh everything would be alright
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Jul 06, 2009 at 04:20 PM Yossi Says:
“ Were you there? Did you witness it? Rabbi Lau was a victim of the nazis, he not only saw what they did, he lived it. How in the world can you possibly have the gall amd the gumption to tell him what they did when he knows all to well, a thousand time better than you ever will know what they did? oyzvarf! ”
My father was there and he is the only one left from a family of eleven children..My father was in Israel and witnessed the protests and called me and said Yossi this reminds me of the Nazis.....We all know how the zionists behave towards the chareidim and with all my respect to Rabbi Lau he wasnt there when those bucherim were arrested..Talk to the yerishalmis who wittnessed those Police dragging those innocent bucherim...Going out by the order of Rav Weiss and all Gedolem and shouting SHABBOS is NOT a crime....
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Jul 06, 2009 at 04:29 PM Anonymous Says:
“ NO! Being silent is condoning a capital crime!
And... encouraging it. Their neshomos are on YOUR cheshbon is you remain silent. WE MUST ALL SPEAK OUT AND PROTEST.
How do you know how many people are chozer b'teshuva because they see how important Shabbos is to us? I know some. It was the protests which brought them back... not "kiruv" work.
In fact, when we are silent, they say, "Oh, those chariedim are all phony. They don't care if WE are not religious. They have written us off. It is all a money thing." and other remarks.
The fact that we are willing to get out there and protest that THEY stop being mechallel shabbos, that we CARE about THEIR neshomas, does more to make them feel like they should come back than turning our backs on them.
Sure, not all react that way. Some have so much anger in them, so much hatred for chareidim, that there is nothing anyone can do which would not blow on the coals of that hatred.
But, don't be quick to assume protests are wrong. And... chillul Shabbos IS up there with those other avairos....
How many times does the Torah keep repeating itself about Shabbos?
Count them.
If the Torah keep repeating it, over and over and over again, maybe it is trying to tell us something.
”
SO HERES A GREAT IDEA
Did any of these bochurim ANY OF THEM go over to any of the mechalilei shabbos and calmly and nicely invite them over for a shabbos meal or a kiddush???
HUH? You want a protest? that should help fix things? PUH-LEEZE. Wrong is wrong, protest and diaper throwing is WRONG and not mandated in any jewish torah that i know of.
Until they all invite them over into their frumme homes for shabbpo, these idiot kids deserve the worst punishment possible.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 04:27 PM Anonymous Says:
“ So if he went through this gehemin and he says that we are allowed to do eviros and someone says different is he an azziz punim? You are wrong! ”
ah, no. no one said that. but they have no right to tell him what the nazis were. (at least not as much as he huimself who knows exactly what they were, unlike young whipper snappers, who werent there and have no clue
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Jul 06, 2009 at 04:25 PM Anonymous Says:
“ My father was there and he is the only one left from a family of eleven children..My father was in Israel and witnessed the protests and called me and said Yossi this reminds me of the Nazis.....We all know how the zionists behave towards the chareidim and with all my respect to Rabbi Lau he wasnt there when those bucherim were arrested..Talk to the yerishalmis who wittnessed those Police dragging those innocent bucherim...Going out by the order of Rav Weiss and all Gedolem and shouting SHABBOS is NOT a crime.... ”
the bochurim should have been protesting in the first place! they should have been learning or enjoying their own menuchas shabbos! not acting like a bunch of shreklache goyim!
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Jul 06, 2009 at 04:37 PM Anonymous Says:
“ So if he went through this gehemin and he says that we are allowed to do eviros and someone says different is he an azziz punim? You are wrong! ”
Neboch on you and neboch on us.
On you for being such a mechutzif and on us for living in a generation with yiddin like you.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 04:30 PM Anonymous Says:
“ You’re deffinetly right. I am a gornisht. But I am not saying my own words. All holy rabbis including Belz, Visnitz, and of course Satmar, thought us that Zionism is the ultimate reason why we are still in exile. Once it was Spain now it is Zionism and Terrorism.
I studied Rav Lau’s book called “Al Tishlach Udchu al Hannar” and I was amazed of his life story going the the Gehenim where my grandparents died al kidush hashem and I was in outraged to see how a frum man, who has a rabbinical role, is pictures with the Risheu Hadur, the people who are destroying the holy spirit of Klal Yisroel and the calue of the Holy Land.
Maybe this is what an Israeli Chief Rabbi is all about and I am proud that I am not respecting them. For me to be an honest Rav you have to comply with the Torah first. No one can answer that not waiting for Mushiach and having am independent Jewish state is ok for a real Jew. But if Having a Tominah medinah is great, Chilul Shabbos is not such a big problem, the problem is much bigger if you protest about it.
I am not supporting the violence, actually the individuals who performed it are young boys or for most simple Mieh Sheurim Yiden, but accusing them by a so-called chief rabbi is again horrifying. ”
how dare you speak this way about rav lau?! by the way, he is chassidishe too.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 05:41 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Everybody quotes the "torah" but the torah does not tell you or order you to throw dirty diaper on people and scream and shake the fist in the face of police ”
I too respect and honor those who survived the Holocaust. But I do not raise them above being disagreed with. To that would be to DIShonor them.
Holocaust survivors are humans, not dieties.
That being said, to disagree with or add to what Rav Lau said is not being disrespectful. We can agree with him in some areas and not fully in others.
We can agree not to throw rocks or call Jews Nazis, but still feel protesting Jews throwing the Torah away is a GOOD thing... not a bad thing.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 05:31 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Everybody quotes the "torah" but the torah does not tell you or order you to throw dirty diaper on people and scream and shake the fist in the face of police ”
Many of us ARE in favor of the protests. Me, myself and I included.
That does not mean throwing dirty diapers or rock, etc., is appropriate.
However, a protest is a form of conflict. The enemy, and those protecting chillul Shabbos ARE the enemy, will shout at our kids and say nasty things. This will naturally provoke responses.
I say they should not do "inappropriate" things, but when fighting a war, crap happens.
Just like those who are upset when people actually die in a war.
But, how do you win a war?
On way only. You KILL as many of the enemy country's people as you can until they surrender.
This is a war also. We are fighting to protect the very LIVES/NESHAMAS of the Jewish people..... we save them by keeping Shabbos.
We are allowed to do ANYTHING to save a life. How about SAVING A NESHAMA?!?! Is it not worth upsetting a few people?
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Jul 06, 2009 at 05:24 PM Anonymous Says:
“ the bochurim should have been protesting in the first place! they should have been learning or enjoying their own menuchas shabbos! not acting like a bunch of shreklache goyim! ”
If Jewish bochurim do not protest to defend our holy Shabbos, WHO WILL????
I say, Yasher Koach to them all. It is much easier to sit home eating gefilite fish than to be out there fighting for Shabbos. Yasher Koach to all of you. and THANK YOU.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 06:24 PM Anonymous Says:
“ If Jewish bochurim do not protest to defend our holy Shabbos, WHO WILL????
I say, Yasher Koach to them all. It is much easier to sit home eating gefilite fish than to be out there fighting for Shabbos. Yasher Koach to all of you. and THANK YOU. ”
I say oychenvey and nebech to them and to their families and to their rabbeim who led them down this terrible path.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 06:17 PM Nisht a shoyteh Says:
“ I too respect and honor those who survived the Holocaust. But I do not raise them above being disagreed with. To that would be to DIShonor them.
Holocaust survivors are humans, not dieties.
That being said, to disagree with or add to what Rav Lau said is not being disrespectful. We can agree with him in some areas and not fully in others.
We can agree not to throw rocks or call Jews Nazis, but still feel protesting Jews throwing the Torah away is a GOOD thing... not a bad thing. ”
they didnt throw the torah away. they were brought up in a different world than you. thats all. thats all they know.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 06:16 PM Nisht a shoyteh Says:
“ Many of us ARE in favor of the protests. Me, myself and I included.
That does not mean throwing dirty diapers or rock, etc., is appropriate.
However, a protest is a form of conflict. The enemy, and those protecting chillul Shabbos ARE the enemy, will shout at our kids and say nasty things. This will naturally provoke responses.
I say they should not do "inappropriate" things, but when fighting a war, crap happens.
Just like those who are upset when people actually die in a war.
But, how do you win a war?
On way only. You KILL as many of the enemy country's people as you can until they surrender.
This is a war also. We are fighting to protect the very LIVES/NESHAMAS of the Jewish people..... we save them by keeping Shabbos.
We are allowed to do ANYTHING to save a life. How about SAVING A NESHAMA?!?! Is it not worth upsetting a few people? ”
this isnt called saving a neshoma. this is called RETZICHA!!!!
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Jul 06, 2009 at 06:16 PM Nisht a shoyteh Says:
“ If Jewish bochurim do not protest to defend our holy Shabbos, WHO WILL????
I say, Yasher Koach to them all. It is much easier to sit home eating gefilite fish than to be out there fighting for Shabbos. Yasher Koach to all of you. and THANK YOU. ”
FAKERT! Where anywhere in the code of jewish law does it say that people must "protest" chilul shabbos?!?! Rachona litzlan! these are frye Yidden who were raised in a different culture and lifestyle. if you want to "combat" chilul shabbos then invite them into your homes and shuls and show them how beautiful shabbos is! dont make a ruckus and a fight and drive them even further away so that when their children are grown up they will be even more disgusted with frum people and the wya they act and never want to be like them!
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Jul 06, 2009 at 06:14 PM Anonymous Says:
“ So if he went through this gehemin and he says that we are allowed to do eviros and someone says different is he an azziz punim? You are wrong! ”
Who said we are allowed to do aveiros? when did rav lau say that? you are very very sick sick perosn and should get some serious professional help, asap!
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Jul 06, 2009 at 09:12 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I too respect and honor those who survived the Holocaust. But I do not raise them above being disagreed with. To that would be to DIShonor them.
Holocaust survivors are humans, not dieties.
That being said, to disagree with or add to what Rav Lau said is not being disrespectful. We can agree with him in some areas and not fully in others.
We can agree not to throw rocks or call Jews Nazis, but still feel protesting Jews throwing the Torah away is a GOOD thing... not a bad thing. ”
The question is not if you agree or disagree with Rav Lau, that is irrelevant, what is relevant, that we have some who without any shame “dishonor” Rabbi Lau, as not having the right views, when he and other survivors had real Mesiras Nefesh to be religious during the Shoah, when every Jew was tested as we hope will never happen again.
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Jul 06, 2009 at 09:08 PM Anonymous Says:
“ If Jewish bochurim do not protest to defend our holy Shabbos, WHO WILL????
I say, Yasher Koach to them all. It is much easier to sit home eating gefilite fish than to be out there fighting for Shabbos. Yasher Koach to all of you. and THANK YOU. ”
Can you tell me where in shulchan aruch i can look up the chiyuv to protest chillul shabbos so I can better understand your point?
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Jul 07, 2009 at 11:13 AM Anonymous Says:
“ If Jewish bochurim do not protest to defend our holy Shabbos, WHO WILL????
I say, Yasher Koach to them all. It is much easier to sit home eating gefilite fish than to be out there fighting for Shabbos. Yasher Koach to all of you. and THANK YOU. ”
i must have missed that obligation. is this number 614 that you added? you are nuts!!!
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Jul 07, 2009 at 04:23 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The question is not if you agree or disagree with Rav Lau, that is irrelevant, what is relevant, that we have some who without any shame “dishonor” Rabbi Lau, as not having the right views, when he and other survivors had real Mesiras Nefesh to be religious during the Shoah, when every Jew was tested as we hope will never happen again. ”
I have noticed that the big mouths never reply when you stake out a logical argument, they just wait and the store is off page one and they start again with the same old buba maseis
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Jul 19, 2009 at 05:46 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The demonstrators would accomplish MUCH MORE, if they smiled and handed out Tehilim sforim to each and every soldier and police person. ”
Come on! Get real! Who u fopping!?
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:18 PM Jowls Says:
“ Mesiras nefesh for what?
My brother in law neboch also displays great mesiras nefesh.
For football games. So what? ”
You comparing shabbos kodesh to a football game!? Shame on u!
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:09 PM Jowls Says:
“ To No. 8:
Where in the torah does it give license to correct someone's aveiro with your own? Where in the Torah does it allow the Eida to be oiver on mazik? People's private property? They should be held financially responsible for this nezek and be sued? They are causing a worse chilul Hashem than the parking lot. You can't force people to be shomer shabbos. In the meantime life must go on? Nobody is forcing the chareidim to use the parking lot on shabbos.
Rabbi Lau has more sense and yashrus than anyone in the Chareida? Learn up about him and you will see how much in frumkeit he has accomplished-without a stone thrown. Rioting and destruction has no place in Torah and Yiddishket no matter what the goal is. Shame on all the Rabbonim who don't condemn these actions. Knowing how to learn carries with it a big responsibility - to be true leaders. Shaking a fist and cursing the police is not the derech! What do you want them to do? Allow the Chareidim freedom to burn injure and riot. When this happens we always blame the police. They are our brothers and only doing their job. When the chareidim commit mass violence, they have crossed the line and deserve to be treated harshly. We would expect no less than if the blacks, goyim or even chilonim riot. Only with Ahavas Yisroel can we accomplish shmiras shabbos and kiyum hamitzvos. ”
Firstly you have missed the point. The idea is not that these people should keep shabbos. The idea is that they shouldnt bring their chillul shabbos close to an area where kedushas shabbos is so strongly observed and chillul shabbos in the area will only help towards the eradication of the latter r'l. And secondly, how can u hav the chutzpa to just so easily and quickly curse out a whole load of rabbonim like that!! And especially in such a derogatory manner just because you with your lack of experience and daas torah dont understand!! Shame on yourself! and U will hav to give din v'cheshbon on saying such a thing! Im shocked how a yid can hav such a lack of sensitivity to talk like that.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:25 PM Jowls Says:
“ I will not even look on the rest of the comments.
I looked at some of them and it is ridicules. Here you have a Bis Din of the world’s most famous religious leaders. Rabbis like Rav Weiss who is a known Talmid Chuchim for years. You have a Gudil like Rav Strenbuch who is among the top poskim in Haluche. These rabbis are always condemning anything bad which happens in Eretz Yisroel, not because they’re Iranians or anti-Semites, they love every Jew the most, they, who learn and daven all their lives, have more love to all of us then the government who are not keeping shabbos, fressing treif, and formost leading a Jewish Government which all of the Gedoilim in the past, including the holy Chazun Ish, banned it.
On the other hand, there is a Rabbi called Rav Lau, who we truly admire being a Holocaust survivor who lost everything, he came back as an orphan child and was able to get a rabbi. But he is still not close to anyone in Eidah Hachridis. He is clearly not annoyed about the Chilul Shabbos what is going on in the holy land, or about the millions of Jewish children who are not saying and have no idea of Shma Yisroel.
I would simply say to Rav Lau: Shame on you on behalf of Klal Yisroel! Hashem rescued you from the evil Natzi gang; you had miracles happen to you being the lone child survivor in a death camp; do you thing all of this happened so you would be able to greed the Pope, the leader of the christen world who is definitely not holy or anything alike? Or being able to connect yourself to people who Tadikim like the Chazon Ish, who had enough Ahavas Yisroel, didn’t want to look at them as it is well-known how he acted when the first leader of the so-called Jewish state visited his home and he turned his holy face away not to look in ht efface of an evil person as the Haluche is.
No words can describe the pain of Klal Yisroel that people who are rabbis and scholars are those who support the act of individuals who are following the philosophy of Hertzel Yemach Shemoi who didn’t even performed Bris Milah on his children.
We hope that this 61 year old tragedy for Klal Yisroel will be over soon with the coming of Mushiach Soon, Umen.
For all of you VIN readers, I apologize for not having the best English; I still live in Eretz Yisroel where it’s not the first language. ”
How can u ever think about talking in such a derogatory way against a godol like that whos worked on himself so much more than u hav even if u may not understand or disagree!! Shame on you