“ "It's a new thing here," a Sushi K Bar manager said. "We have Shabatt sushi platters in different sizes. They're really popular. "

These shabbos platters not only are a much healthier alternative to chulent, brisket and kugel, its also a way of showing kovod for shabbos by eating foods that are more elegant, expensive and unusual from the old eastern european standards. Hopefully, one of the big rabbonim will serve sushi at his tisch on motzei shabbos and the concept will really take off. ”

“ Its all very nice that people are supporting jewish people but what's the whole tantrum???
Sushi is mosltly common eaten raw don't we have kitchens?
Hope you people find abit of common sense and start eating normal food ”

“ what do they mean "open seven days a week"? ”

“ "It's a new thing here," a Sushi K Bar manager said. "We have Shabatt sushi platters in different sizes. They're really popular. "

These shabbos platters not only are a much healthier alternative to chulent, brisket and kugel, its also a way of showing kovod for shabbos by eating foods that are more elegant, expensive and unusual from the old eastern european standards. Hopefully, one of the big rabbonim will serve sushi at his tisch on motzei shabbos and the concept will really take off. ”

“ i literally could not believe i was reading a comment made by (i assume) a frum yid. Yidden eat yiddishe heimish food not this chinese japanesesumo wrestler junk. im not saying its assur but at least on Shabbos we should try to eat only jewish foos that as a people we have eaten as generations such as gefilte fish, pcha, kugel, herring, chulent. you call it "old eastern european standards"!!!!! how dare you! where do you come up with the chutzpa to address our cherished minhagim like that. this is what the goyim hate about us. they are always asking why do we still do things our ancestors did thousands of yrs ago?! they say its america! throw your tefilin off the boat already and get with the program. i once read an article about a certain Brooklyn Rosh Yeshiva who said its enough already with the meshugas about chinese food, thai food, japanese, italian, french, mexican. WE ARE YIDDEN he said and we should eat what a Yid eats! if you think any respectable Rosh Yeshiva or Chassidishe Rebbe would eat sushi your pashut crazy! they would never! they eat what their tatte ate and what their zaide ate. first we start dressing like the goyim then we start eating the goyim then we socializing and partying with the goyim and then eventually we are marrying the goyim r"l. it all starts technically mutar and kosher but has led and can lead to marrying a shiksa or shaigitz and that is why boruch Hashem our Rebbes and Rosh Yeshiva are here to guide us down the right path and keep us Yidden throughout this dificult golus we are in. May the Eibishter instill you with a love to be a Yid and not the opposite chas vshalom and hopefully Bi'ezras Hashem we will be exiled from this golus and may we all see the coming of Moshiach in our day ”

“ i literally could not believe i was reading a comment made by (i assume) a frum yid. Yidden eat yiddishe heimish food not this chinese japanesesumo wrestler junk. im not saying its assur but at least on Shabbos we should try to eat only jewish foos that as a people we have eaten as generations such as gefilte fish, pcha, kugel, herring, chulent. you call it "old eastern european standards"!!!!! how dare you! where do you come up with the chutzpa to address our cherished minhagim like that. this is what the goyim hate about us. they are always asking why do we still do things our ancestors did thousands of yrs ago?! they say its america! throw your tefilin off the boat already and get with the program. i once read an article about a certain Brooklyn Rosh Yeshiva who said its enough already with the meshugas about chinese food, thai food, japanese, italian, french, mexican. WE ARE YIDDEN he said and we should eat what a Yid eats! if you think any respectable Rosh Yeshiva or Chassidishe Rebbe would eat sushi your pashut crazy! they would never! they eat what their tatte ate and what their zaide ate. first we start dressing like the goyim then we start eating the goyim then we socializing and partying with the goyim and then eventually we are marrying the goyim r"l. it all starts technically mutar and kosher but has led and can lead to marrying a shiksa or shaigitz and that is why boruch Hashem our Rebbes and Rosh Yeshiva are here to guide us down the right path and keep us Yidden throughout this dificult golus we are in. May the Eibishter instill you with a love to be a Yid and not the opposite chas vshalom and hopefully Bi'ezras Hashem we will be exiled from this golus and may we all see the coming of Moshiach in our day ”

“ i literally could not believe i was reading a comment made by (i assume) a frum yid. Yidden eat yiddishe heimish food not this chinese japanesesumo wrestler junk. im not saying its assur but at least on Shabbos we should try to eat only jewish foos that as a people we have eaten as generations such as gefilte fish, pcha, kugel, herring, chulent. you call it "old eastern european standards"!!!!! how dare you! where do you come up with the chutzpa to address our cherished minhagim like that. this is what the goyim hate about us. they are always asking why do we still do things our ancestors did thousands of yrs ago?! they say its america! throw your tefilin off the boat already and get with the program. i once read an article about a certain Brooklyn Rosh Yeshiva who said its enough already with the meshugas about chinese food, thai food, japanese, italian, french, mexican. WE ARE YIDDEN he said and we should eat what a Yid eats! if you think any respectable Rosh Yeshiva or Chassidishe Rebbe would eat sushi your pashut crazy! they would never! they eat what their tatte ate and what their zaide ate. first we start dressing like the goyim then we start eating the goyim then we socializing and partying with the goyim and then eventually we are marrying the goyim r"l. it all starts technically mutar and kosher but has led and can lead to marrying a shiksa or shaigitz and that is why boruch Hashem our Rebbes and Rosh Yeshiva are here to guide us down the right path and keep us Yidden throughout this dificult golus we are in. May the Eibishter instill you with a love to be a Yid and not the opposite chas vshalom and hopefully Bi'ezras Hashem we will be exiled from this golus and may we all see the coming of Moshiach in our day ”

“ i literally could not believe i was reading a comment made by (i assume) a frum yid. Yidden eat yiddishe heimish food not this chinese japanesesumo wrestler junk. im not saying its assur but at least on Shabbos we should try to eat only jewish foos that as a people we have eaten as generations such as gefilte fish, pcha, kugel, herring, chulent. you call it "old eastern european standards"!!!!! how dare you! where do you come up with the chutzpa to address our cherished minhagim like that. this is what the goyim hate about us. they are always asking why do we still do things our ancestors did thousands of yrs ago?! they say its america! throw your tefilin off the boat already and get with the program. i once read an article about a certain Brooklyn Rosh Yeshiva who said its enough already with the meshugas about chinese food, thai food, japanese, italian, french, mexican. WE ARE YIDDEN he said and we should eat what a Yid eats! if you think any respectable Rosh Yeshiva or Chassidishe Rebbe would eat sushi your pashut crazy! they would never! they eat what their tatte ate and what their zaide ate. first we start dressing like the goyim then we start eating the goyim then we socializing and partying with the goyim and then eventually we are marrying the goyim r"l. it all starts technically mutar and kosher but has led and can lead to marrying a shiksa or shaigitz and that is why boruch Hashem our Rebbes and Rosh Yeshiva are here to guide us down the right path and keep us Yidden throughout this dificult golus we are in. May the Eibishter instill you with a love to be a Yid and not the opposite chas vshalom and hopefully Bi'ezras Hashem we will be exiled from this golus and may we all see the coming of Moshiach in our day ”

“ i literally could not believe i was reading a comment made by (i assume) a frum yid. Yidden eat yiddishe heimish food not this chinese japanesesumo wrestler junk. im not saying its assur but at least on Shabbos we should try to eat only jewish foos that as a people we have eaten as generations such as gefilte fish, pcha, kugel, herring, chulent. you call it "old eastern european standards"!!!!! how dare you! where do you come up with the chutzpa to address our cherished minhagim like that. this is what the goyim hate about us. they are always asking why do we still do things our ancestors did thousands of yrs ago?! they say its america! throw your tefilin off the boat already and get with the program. i once read an article about a certain Brooklyn Rosh Yeshiva who said its enough already with the meshugas about chinese food, thai food, japanese, italian, french, mexican. WE ARE YIDDEN he said and we should eat what a Yid eats! if you think any respectable Rosh Yeshiva or Chassidishe Rebbe would eat sushi your pashut crazy! they would never! they eat what their tatte ate and what their zaide ate. first we start dressing like the goyim then we start eating the goyim then we socializing and partying with the goyim and then eventually we are marrying the goyim r"l. it all starts technically mutar and kosher but has led and can lead to marrying a shiksa or shaigitz and that is why boruch Hashem our Rebbes and Rosh Yeshiva are here to guide us down the right path and keep us Yidden throughout this dificult golus we are in. May the Eibishter instill you with a love to be a Yid and not the opposite chas vshalom and hopefully Bi'ezras Hashem we will be exiled from this golus and may we all see the coming of Moshiach in our day ”

“ i literally could not believe i was reading a comment made by (i assume) a frum yid. Yidden eat yiddishe heimish food not this chinese japanesesumo wrestler junk. im not saying its assur but at least on Shabbos we should try to eat only jewish foos that as a people we have eaten as generations such as gefilte fish, pcha, kugel, herring, chulent. you call it "old eastern european standards"!!!!! how dare you! where do you come up with the chutzpa to address our cherished minhagim like that. this is what the goyim hate about us. they are always asking why do we still do things our ancestors did thousands of yrs ago?! they say its america! throw your tefilin off the boat already and get with the program. i once read an article about a certain Brooklyn Rosh Yeshiva who said its enough already with the meshugas about chinese food, thai food, japanese, italian, french, mexican. WE ARE YIDDEN he said and we should eat what a Yid eats! if you think any respectable Rosh Yeshiva or Chassidishe Rebbe would eat sushi your pashut crazy! they would never! they eat what their tatte ate and what their zaide ate. first we start dressing like the goyim then we start eating the goyim then we socializing and partying with the goyim and then eventually we are marrying the goyim r"l. it all starts technically mutar and kosher but has led and can lead to marrying a shiksa or shaigitz and that is why boruch Hashem our Rebbes and Rosh Yeshiva are here to guide us down the right path and keep us Yidden throughout this dificult golus we are in. May the Eibishter instill you with a love to be a Yid and not the opposite chas vshalom and hopefully Bi'ezras Hashem we will be exiled from this golus and may we all see the coming of Moshiach in our day ”

“ i literally could not believe i was reading a comment made by (i assume) a frum yid. Yidden eat yiddishe heimish food not this chinese japanesesumo wrestler junk. im not saying its assur but at least on Shabbos we should try to eat only jewish foos that as a people we have eaten as generations such as gefilte fish, pcha, kugel, herring, chulent. you call it "old eastern european standards"!!!!! how dare you! where do you come up with the chutzpa to address our cherished minhagim like that. this is what the goyim hate about us. they are always asking why do we still do things our ancestors did thousands of yrs ago?! they say its america! throw your tefilin off the boat already and get with the program. i once read an article about a certain Brooklyn Rosh Yeshiva who said its enough already with the meshugas about chinese food, thai food, japanese, italian, french, mexican. WE ARE YIDDEN he said and we should eat what a Yid eats! if you think any respectable Rosh Yeshiva or Chassidishe Rebbe would eat sushi your pashut crazy! they would never! they eat what their tatte ate and what their zaide ate. first we start dressing like the goyim then we start eating the goyim then we socializing and partying with the goyim and then eventually we are marrying the goyim r"l. it all starts technically mutar and kosher but has led and can lead to marrying a shiksa or shaigitz and that is why boruch Hashem our Rebbes and Rosh Yeshiva are here to guide us down the right path and keep us Yidden throughout this dificult golus we are in. May the Eibishter instill you with a love to be a Yid and not the opposite chas vshalom and hopefully Bi'ezras Hashem we will be exiled from this golus and may we all see the coming of Moshiach in our day ”

“ cholent is tradition. ”

“ what do they mean "open seven days a week"? ”

“ Voos faar a taam hutt shabbos mit chinezishe essin! We should be goizer like the things the yeedin didn't change in mitzrayim leshoynom, begodimm etc, that Shabbos
it's ossur tzu fressin dee goyishe eesin.. Make sure that Havdoloh is on Prune juice from being farshtopped from the rice! ”

“ Voos faar a taam hutt shabbos mit chinezishe essin! We should be goizer like the things the yeedin didn't change in mitzrayim leshoynom, begodimm etc, that Shabbos
it's ossur tzu fressin dee goyishe eesin.. Make sure that Havdoloh is on Prune juice from being farshtopped from the rice! ”

“ "It's a new thing here," a Sushi K Bar manager said. "We have Shabatt sushi platters in different sizes. They're really popular. "

These shabbos platters not only are a much healthier alternative to chulent, brisket and kugel, its also a way of showing kovod for shabbos by eating foods that are more elegant, expensive and unusual from the old eastern european standards. Hopefully, one of the big rabbonim will serve sushi at his tisch on motzei shabbos and the concept will really take off. ”

“ i literally could not believe i was reading a comment made by (i assume) a frum yid. Yidden eat yiddishe heimish food not this chinese japanesesumo wrestler junk. im not saying its assur but at least on Shabbos we should try to eat only jewish foos that as a people we have eaten as generations such as gefilte fish, pcha, kugel, herring, chulent. you call it "old eastern european standards"!!!!! how dare you! where do you come up with the chutzpa to address our cherished minhagim like that. this is what the goyim hate about us. they are always asking why do we still do things our ancestors did thousands of yrs ago?! they say its america! throw your tefilin off the boat already and get with the program. i once read an article about a certain Brooklyn Rosh Yeshiva who said its enough already with the meshugas about chinese food, thai food, japanese, italian, french, mexican. WE ARE YIDDEN he said and we should eat what a Yid eats! if you think any respectable Rosh Yeshiva or Chassidishe Rebbe would eat sushi your pashut crazy! they would never! they eat what their tatte ate and what their zaide ate. first we start dressing like the goyim then we start eating the goyim then we socializing and partying with the goyim and then eventually we are marrying the goyim r"l. it all starts technically mutar and kosher but has led and can lead to marrying a shiksa or shaigitz and that is why boruch Hashem our Rebbes and Rosh Yeshiva are here to guide us down the right path and keep us Yidden throughout this dificult golus we are in. May the Eibishter instill you with a love to be a Yid and not the opposite chas vshalom and hopefully Bi'ezras Hashem we will be exiled from this golus and may we all see the coming of Moshiach in our day ”

“ I personally find the price obscene.
I truly don't understand how people spend $45+ on a platter that can barely feed four.
Do people really have that amount of expendable income? With tuition at $500-600 a child per month?
Someone please explain Charedi Economics 101 to me.
My wife and I have a combined income of over 200K with six kids and I clearly cannot afford sushi even once a week. ”

“ The custom of eating fish on Shabbos is mentioned in Gemara. However, the fish that Abaya and Rava ate didn't look (or taste) much like the gefulte fish that we Eastern European Jews eat or, for that matter, not much like the Moroccan fish that some of my Sephardic friends eat either. It seems to me that the custom of eating fish on Shabbos can be mekuyem with any fish, sushi or otherwise. ”

“ Did you read the first 2 lines of the article Fish and challah is so yesterday, CHAS VESHOLOM every item on our old fashioned menu has a mekor from someplace. It is dangerous to write in this fashion. Yes number 14 what you eat on Shabbos and why you eat changes the frumkeit. People need to realize it begins somewhere you might want sushi for melava malka that is okay but Shabbos no Challah my goodness. Old fashioned gefilta fish or farfal. Do you realize what farfel means it means FARFALLEN the sins are forgiven I could go on but I will leave it at this ”

“ So you believe Moshe Rabbeinu and Dovid Hamelech ate cholent kugel and farfel exclusively? with a side of pcha? ”

“ The custom of eating fish on Shabbos is mentioned in Gemara. However, the fish that Abaya and Rava ate didn't look (or taste) much like the gefulte fish that we Eastern European Jews eat or, for that matter, not much like the Moroccan fish that some of my Sephardic friends eat either. It seems to me that the custom of eating fish on Shabbos can be mekuyem with any fish, sushi or otherwise. ”

“ Voos faar a taam hutt shabbos mit chinezishe essin! We should be goizer like the things the yeedin didn't change in mitzrayim leshoynom, begodimm etc, that Shabbos
it's ossur tzu fressin dee goyishe eesin.. Make sure that Havdoloh is on Prune juice from being farshtopped from the rice! ”

“ "There is a problem with the kashrus in the preparation of sushi. The raw fish, rice or vegies are wrapped in seaweed to hold it together. The seaweed in the ocean absorbs oils and body sweat emitted from other fish including non kosher varieties such as whale and lobster. This was reported in a recent issue of a national biological journal in regard to people with alergic reactions developed after consuming sushi. Ergo when eating sushi you are also eating extractions of fish prohibited by jewish law. The mashgichim are not checking for this and allowing the cosumption of treif."

Huh? Where did you get that idea? I have never seen any reliable source claim that seaweed is not kosher. Seaweed may contain arsenic or other toxic heavy metals though.Fish cooked whole is a problem. Fish should be cleaned before it is cooked, as the fish likely ate unkosher fish. ”

“ So you believe Moshe Rabbeinu and Dovid Hamelech ate cholent kugel and farfel exclusively? with a side of pcha? ”

“ A question to the Talmidei Chachomim out there.

Bishul Akum only goes on on something that can not be eaten raw.

Now that we have sushi, does that mean that Bishul Akum no longer applies to the types of fishes that are used in sushi?

What do you think? ”

“ There are kosher restaurants that are owned by non Jews and therefore don't need to close for shabbat. ”

“ men miz zich unfressen mit alle taaves ”

“ # 14 here... sorry but i disagree with you immensely, you have a home filled with kiddushah and the shechina on shabbas (and during the week) no matter what you eat on shabbas will be wonderful. its what you make of it not what it makes of you. yes food is a wonderful tradition that we have and personally im not a fan of sushi on shabbas... but throw the sushi in with all the latest "food trends" 10 years ago who heard of deli roll, or apple crunch, or for that matter any new recipe that comes up these days.... my opinion if it enhances YOURs ( not someone elses)kedushas hashabbas then gezunta heit eat your sushi and enjoy your shabbas ”

“ There are kosher restaurants that are owned by non Jews and therefore don't need to close for shabbat. ”

“ “what do they mean "open seven days a week"?”

That means the doors of the restaurant are open, the mashgichim report to work and customers can buy sushi seven days a week. I'm not sure you need to be a talmid chacham to understand that a restaurant can close early erev shabbos and reopen on motzei shabbos. If your still having problems with that, maybe we can talk offline.
”

“ In defense of your comments to #11--- u are totally wrong. If the person pays taxes and pays schar limud (NOT WILLIAMSBURG CHASSIDISHE LOW RATES) and camps and has kinne hora a lot of children it doesn't leave much with no Section 8,
food stamps and other public assistance programs. Unfortunately, frum families working on the books with large mishpochos are worse off than people in American society on public assistance programs in the US. ”

“ I personally find the price obscene.
I truly don't understand how people spend $45+ on a platter that can barely feed four.
Do people really have that amount of expendable income? With tuition at $500-600 a child per month?
Someone please explain Charedi Economics 101 to me.
My wife and I have a combined income of over 200K with six kids and I clearly cannot afford sushi even once a week. ”

“ There is a problem with the kashrus in the preparation of sushi. The raw fish, rice or vegies are wrapped in seaweed to hold it together. The seaweed in the ocean absorbs oils and body sweat emitted from other fish including non kosher varieties such as whale and lobster. This was reported in a recent issue of a national biological journal in regard to people with alergic reactions developed after consuming sushi. Ergo when eating sushi you are also eating extractions of fish prohibited by jewish law. The mashgichim are not checking for this and allowing the cosumption of treif. ”

“ i literally could not believe i was reading a comment made by (i assume) a frum yid. Yidden eat yiddishe heimish food not this chinese japanesesumo wrestler junk. im not saying its assur but at least on Shabbos we should try to eat only jewish foos that as a people we have eaten as generations such as gefilte fish, pcha, kugel, herring, chulent. you call it "old eastern european standards"!!!!! how dare you! where do you come up with the chutzpa to address our cherished minhagim like that. this is what the goyim hate about us. they are always asking why do we still do things our ancestors did thousands of yrs ago?! they say its america! throw your tefilin off the boat already and get with the program. i once read an article about a certain Brooklyn Rosh Yeshiva who said its enough already with the meshugas about chinese food, thai food, japanese, italian, french, mexican. WE ARE YIDDEN he said and we should eat what a Yid eats! if you think any respectable Rosh Yeshiva or Chassidishe Rebbe would eat sushi your pashut crazy! they would never! they eat what their tatte ate and what their zaide ate. first we start dressing like the goyim then we start eating the goyim then we socializing and partying with the goyim and then eventually we are marrying the goyim r"l. it all starts technically mutar and kosher but has led and can lead to marrying a shiksa or shaigitz and that is why boruch Hashem our Rebbes and Rosh Yeshiva are here to guide us down the right path and keep us Yidden throughout this dificult golus we are in. May the Eibishter instill you with a love to be a Yid and not the opposite chas vshalom and hopefully Bi'ezras Hashem we will be exiled from this golus and may we all see the coming of Moshiach in our day ”

“ Moshe Rabbeinu and klal yisroel did eat it for fourty years in the midbar. It was called "mon" ”

“ Why shouldn't Chinese food be ok, Chinese auctions are. ”

“ 10 years ago no one ate tomato dip chumus tehina olive peper salad and what not. ”

“ I didn't say that it's a huge amount of money, but its sufficient to support a large family even with Five Towns tuitions and camp and taxes and no programs, and still have 45$ for a sushi platter lekovod shabbos. It's about priorities. ”

“ You're just A big baal teivah. Your grandparents ate kugel and cholent. Gefilteh fish and carp/salmon/white fish. Chicken and farfel. AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE TRADITONAL FOODS HAVE A MEKOR WHY WE EAT IT. They didn't stuff themselves with some Goyish-Kup-came-up-with-Sushi. Why do u think sushi's last name is meshuga...or MESHUNA !!?? ”

“ I hate to break it to you, but there were jews before the Eastern European jews. You make it sound as if the Torah was given in Hungary or Poland. By the way, did Moshe Rabeinu speak Yiddish? Did Shlomo Hamelech eat Cholent? Did Yehoshua Ben Nun Wear a shtreimel? You say you like tradition, but who decided where tradition starts? I'm sure jews in Japan have been enjoying sushi since before your Zaide was even born!!! ”

“ Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't good old herring eaten raw as well? Yes sushi is relatively new on the Jewish scene, but it's not the first time in history Yidden eat raw fish. Ok, herring is marinated longer, but sushi is also salted an/ or marinated prior to serving. At least the recipes I looked up. ”

“ There is a problem with the kashrus in the preparation of sushi. The raw fish, rice or vegies are wrapped in seaweed to hold it together. The seaweed in the ocean absorbs oils and body sweat emitted from other fish including non kosher varieties such as whale and lobster. This was reported in a recent issue of a national biological journal in regard to people with alergic reactions developed after consuming sushi. Ergo when eating sushi you are also eating extractions of fish prohibited by jewish law. The mashgichim are not checking for this and allowing the cosumption of treif. ”

“ That is right and very many families still won't do it this way. They have all the stuff for Shaalash seudas and melava malks not for the first 2 meals. ”

“ That is right and very many families still won't do it this way. They have all the stuff for Shaalash seudas and melava malks not for the first 2 meals. ”

“ i think youre being way dramatic about this..its food calm down, changing what you eat doesnt mean your changing your frumkeit.. im actually laughing as i type bc seriously relax its just food ”

“ Just so you know, there exist Chinese Jews, Japanese Jews, Thai Jews, French Jews, Italian Jews, Mexican Jews -- so those cuisines ARE what a Yid eats! ”

“ I didn't say that it's a huge amount of money, but its sufficient to support a large family even with Five Towns tuitions and camp and taxes and no programs, and still have 45$ for a sushi platter lekovod shabbos. It's about priorities. ”

“ from what I heard, mon tasted a lot better. ”

“ So I would like to correct you because you are wrong.

Kovush Harei Hu KMvushol (or Kuvish harei hee KMvishel).
Something that is pickled for more than 24 hours is considered cooked.
Herring is therefore considered halachically cooked.

So back to my question (above #23) to the talmidei chachumim out there.
Of course the rice in the sushi itself becomes bishul akum. I am not talking about eating the sushi itself.

My question is:
Does the halacha change in our time?
Since the fish in sushi is eaten raw in our time (even on shulchan melochim).

Can it be that cooked, baked or fried Tuna and Salmon in all sorts of dishes are no longer subject to Bishul Akum, at all?

Anyone have an answer? ”

“ Taxes on 220k is 60k.
Other payroll deductions 10k (medical 401K)
Tuition Bais Yakov of BP high school 12k for two.
Mesivta 11k camp included.
Three elememtary school tuitions 18k with transportation.
Day camp and one sleep away camp 8k
Mortgage, property tax,home insurance, utilities 32k.
Supermarket 23k.
Out of pocket medical and dental 7k.
Shoes, clothing , drycleaning, haircuts, etc.
10k.
Car expenses ( gas, insurance, maintainence) 5K
Tzedaka 5K .
Transportation to work 1.5 k
I am over 200K without cleaning help , an occasional simcha, home maintainence, furniture, appliances, vacation etc.
Someone please explain to me how I am wrong and how I can afford expensive take out.
”

“ There are kosher restaurants that are owned by non Jews and therefore don't need to close for shabbat. ”

“ kigel and kishje is also a tanvva . if yu can shtup yourself with that why not with sushi . i see no difference ”

“ I didn't say that it's a huge amount of money, but its sufficient to support a large family even with Five Towns tuitions and camp and taxes and no programs, and still have 45$ for a sushi platter lekovod shabbos. It's about priorities. ”

“ I didn't say that it's a huge amount of money, but its sufficient to support a large family even with Five Towns tuitions and camp and taxes and no programs, and still have 45$ for a sushi platter lekovod shabbos. It's about priorities. ”

“ Taxes on 220k is 60k.
Other payroll deductions 10k (medical 401K)
Tuition Bais Yakov of BP high school 12k for two.
Mesivta 11k camp included.
Three elememtary school tuitions 18k with transportation.
Day camp and one sleep away camp 8k
Mortgage, property tax,home insurance, utilities 32k.
Supermarket 23k.
Out of pocket medical and dental 7k.
Shoes, clothing , drycleaning, haircuts, etc.
10k.
Car expenses ( gas, insurance, maintainence) 5K
Tzedaka 5K .
Transportation to work 1.5 k
I am over 200K without cleaning help , an occasional simcha, home maintainence, furniture, appliances, vacation etc.
Someone please explain to me how I am wrong and how I can afford expensive take out.
”

“ I didn't say that it's a huge amount of money, but its sufficient to support a large family even with Five Towns tuitions and camp and taxes and no programs, and still have 45$ for a sushi platter lekovod shabbos. It's about priorities. ”

“ I hate to break it to you, but there were jews before the Eastern European jews. You make it sound as if the Torah was given in Hungary or Poland. By the way, did Moshe Rabeinu speak Yiddish? Did Shlomo Hamelech eat Cholent? Did Yehoshua Ben Nun Wear a shtreimel? You say you like tradition, but who decided where tradition starts? I'm sure jews in Japan have been enjoying sushi since before your Zaide was even born!!! ”

“ "kosher restaurant owned by goyim ? never heard of that, and kosher restaurant opened on shabbes neither.
how can they get a teudat hakashrus in theses conditions ?"

In NYC there are many of them. Most are vegetarian restaurants though. Many are Indian vegetarian or Chinese vegetarian. Meat kosher restaurants owned by a non Jew probably require a mashgiach to be present all the time, so theose probably wouldn't be open on shabbat. ”

“ i literally could not believe i was reading a comment made by (i assume) a frum yid. Yidden eat yiddishe heimish food not this chinese japanesesumo wrestler junk. im not saying its assur but at least on Shabbos we should try to eat only jewish foos that as a people we have eaten as generations such as gefilte fish, pcha, kugel, herring, chulent. you call it "old eastern european standards"!!!!! how dare you! where do you come up with the chutzpa to address our cherished minhagim like that. this is what the goyim hate about us. they are always asking why do we still do things our ancestors did thousands of yrs ago?! they say its america! throw your tefilin off the boat already and get with the program. i once read an article about a certain Brooklyn Rosh Yeshiva who said its enough already with the meshugas about chinese food, thai food, japanese, italian, french, mexican. WE ARE YIDDEN he said and we should eat what a Yid eats! if you think any respectable Rosh Yeshiva or Chassidishe Rebbe would eat sushi your pashut crazy! they would never! they eat what their tatte ate and what their zaide ate. first we start dressing like the goyim then we start eating the goyim then we socializing and partying with the goyim and then eventually we are marrying the goyim r"l. it all starts technically mutar and kosher but has led and can lead to marrying a shiksa or shaigitz and that is why boruch Hashem our Rebbes and Rosh Yeshiva are here to guide us down the right path and keep us Yidden throughout this dificult golus we are in. May the Eibishter instill you with a love to be a Yid and not the opposite chas vshalom and hopefully Bi'ezras Hashem we will be exiled from this golus and may we all see the coming of Moshiach in our day ”

“ HEY 83!

your actual 200 K are fake, in reality you are not mking any real money, balance 0
you r paying to much in taxes, check it out, deducting tuitions directly,etc
10 k in shoes, drycleaning, too much, also too muck tzedaka, you can deduct tuitons from kids 6 yaers old and up,it is a luxury for your money the summer camps,too much medical,dental,
if you are smart, move to KY and you are millionaire ”

“ Just remember to break apart those Chop Sticks before Shabbos (if you're using the cheap ones). I asked a Gadol if the sticks are considered muktsa and he told me that he himself uses a fork as a chumra. ”

“ i literally could not believe i was reading a comment made by (i assume) a frum yid. Yidden eat yiddishe heimish food not this chinese japanesesumo wrestler junk. im not saying its assur but at least on Shabbos we should try to eat only jewish foos that as a people we have eaten as generations such as gefilte fish, pcha, kugel, herring, chulent. you call it "old eastern european standards"!!!!! how dare you! where do you come up with the chutzpa to address our cherished minhagim like that. this is what the goyim hate about us. they are always asking why do we still do things our ancestors did thousands of yrs ago?! they say its america! throw your tefilin off the boat already and get with the program. i once read an article about a certain Brooklyn Rosh Yeshiva who said its enough already with the meshugas about chinese food, thai food, japanese, italian, french, mexican. WE ARE YIDDEN he said and we should eat what a Yid eats! if you think any respectable Rosh Yeshiva or Chassidishe Rebbe would eat sushi your pashut crazy! they would never! they eat what their tatte ate and what their zaide ate. first we start dressing like the goyim then we start eating the goyim then we socializing and partying with the goyim and then eventually we are marrying the goyim r"l. it all starts technically mutar and kosher but has led and can lead to marrying a shiksa or shaigitz and that is why boruch Hashem our Rebbes and Rosh Yeshiva are here to guide us down the right path and keep us Yidden throughout this dificult golus we are in. May the Eibishter instill you with a love to be a Yid and not the opposite chas vshalom and hopefully Bi'ezras Hashem we will be exiled from this golus and may we all see the coming of Moshiach in our day ”

“ "kosher restaurant owned by goyim ? never heard of that, and kosher restaurant opened on shabbes neither.
how can they get a teudat hakashrus in theses conditions ?"

In NYC there are many of them. Most are vegetarian restaurants though. Many are Indian vegetarian or Chinese vegetarian. Meat kosher restaurants owned by a non Jew probably require a mashgiach to be present all the time, so theose probably wouldn't be open on shabbat. ”

“ "kosher restaurant owned by goyim ? never heard of that, and kosher restaurant opened on shabbes neither.
how can they get a teudat hakashrus in theses conditions ?"

In NYC there are many of them. Most are vegetarian restaurants though. Many are Indian vegetarian or Chinese vegetarian. Meat kosher restaurants owned by a non Jew probably require a mashgiach to be present all the time, so theose probably wouldn't be open on shabbat. ”

“ 1. sushi is not healthy good grief
raw fish has high levels of intestinal worms. um, open a new york times or newsweek and get your head out of yated and hamodea and learn about health issues connected with eating raw fish. or raw meat
if you want that disgusting garbage living in your intestinal tract, by all means
plus, anyone that is educated at all about the world around them knows about mercury. only if the fish is wild is it ok.
good grief. this has nothing to do with 'shabbos' and ''chulent',,and 'kishke' dont you people have anything else to argue about besides that stupid nonsense that you think gives you credence as a frummer yid or a not frum yid?
get a life.
”

“ Doesn't the halachah say that raw fish is muktsah?? ”

“ i literally could not believe i was reading a comment made by (i assume) a frum yid. Yidden eat yiddishe heimish food not this chinese japanesesumo wrestler junk. im not saying its assur but at least on Shabbos we should try to eat only jewish foos that as a people we have eaten as generations such as gefilte fish, pcha, kugel, herring, chulent. you call it "old eastern european standards"!!!!! how dare you! where do you come up with the chutzpa to address our cherished minhagim like that. this is what the goyim hate about us. they are always asking why do we still do things our ancestors did thousands of yrs ago?! they say its america! throw your tefilin off the boat already and get with the program. i once read an article about a certain Brooklyn Rosh Yeshiva who said its enough already with the meshugas about chinese food, thai food, japanese, italian, french, mexican. WE ARE YIDDEN he said and we should eat what a Yid eats! if you think any respectable Rosh Yeshiva or Chassidishe Rebbe would eat sushi your pashut crazy! they would never! they eat what their tatte ate and what their zaide ate. first we start dressing like the goyim then we start eating the goyim then we socializing and partying with the goyim and then eventually we are marrying the goyim r"l. it all starts technically mutar and kosher but has led and can lead to marrying a shiksa or shaigitz and that is why boruch Hashem our Rebbes and Rosh Yeshiva are here to guide us down the right path and keep us Yidden throughout this dificult golus we are in. May the Eibishter instill you with a love to be a Yid and not the opposite chas vshalom and hopefully Bi'ezras Hashem we will be exiled from this golus and may we all see the coming of Moshiach in our day ”

“ I personally find the price obscene.
I truly don't understand how people spend $45+ on a platter that can barely feed four.
Do people really have that amount of expendable income? With tuition at $500-600 a child per month?
Someone please explain Charedi Economics 101 to me.
My wife and I have a combined income of over 200K with six kids and I clearly cannot afford sushi even once a week. ”

“ First, allow me to point out that you are an imbecile.
Second, what makes you think that the things you call "Jewish foods" are so Jewish? They're Eastern European; Sephardi Jews don't eat gefilte fish. You think Moshe Rabbeinu ate kreplach? You really need to grow up and try something new, instead of stewing in your own ignorance (and eating that horrid overcooked swill you call cholent). ”

“ Why is noone saying that this 'mishegas' arose after we began sending our kids to Israel after HS, because it was the style??Its the 30s and under that brought us this mishegos, my husband and I are in our 40s and NOWAY would we put this on our Shabbos table...but what our kids do, and the young generation does, is out of our control, I m afraid....we are our own worst enemies.. ”

“ You and your husband can continue to live in the dark ages and eat like your zaida did in the shtetl but at least you have the mazel to have children who are more enlightened. Its a shame you consider eating healthy a "misheogos" as you call it. Your cardiologist will appreciate your continued support and patronage of his medical practice. ”

“ WHH

Cool story about the 3 foot monster fish worm! To those respondents who greet the sushi phenomenon with suspicion, there is nothing whatsoever halachically wrong about eating sushi, and I doubt our Avos feasted on such delights as Cholent, kishke, p"tach, and gefilte fish, canned, frozen, fresh or jarred. They were lucky to get a little brown bread, a goat roasted on the fire, or a sour cheese made from sheeps milk. Most of you would view these seudahs with distaste as well.I feel sorry for those who think that eating traditional jewish foods means you are better Jews or are doing a mitzvah as opposed to those who don't. Ignorance is only charming to a point before grinding down to boredom.
For those worried about raw fish consumption in general but long for the sushi experince, try maki which is a vegetarian version, and just as delicious. ”

“ It's called mesorah. Our fathers didn't eat sushi on Shabbos. For all those bashing the cholent, you can make it healthy and low fat. Don't be lazy. Not to mention beans are cheap. Why is it that we are kvetching we have no money but the men are still fressing like it's free and the women think their baby needs matching socks to every outfit in different colors.

Whatever, I won't touch the sushi- more for you! ”

“
Imagine 134 brilliant comments about a narisha shtikle fish you could tell the wives are in the country and the men need where to fress the money they make during the week gets spent just on eating if these wives would just know what's going on here the catskills would be dead ”

“ 133 comments about uncooked fish?!

No thanks, I'll never eat uncooked fish.

Now pass the herring. ”

“ HEY 83!

your actual 200 K are fake, in reality you are not mking any real money, balance 0
you r paying to much in taxes, check it out, deducting tuitions directly,etc
10 k in shoes, drycleaning, too much, also too muck tzedaka, you can deduct tuitons from kids 6 yaers old and up,it is a luxury for your money the summer camps,too much medical,dental,
if you are smart, move to KY and you are millionaire ”

“ I'll tell you where you are going wrong: You live in the most socialist state in the Union. WAY too much of your money is going to pay for low-lifes who don't want to work and pay their own way. There is no reason a successful man should live in Brooklyn. Unless you need all the welfare and such, get out. There are plenty of wonderful communities all over America that would love to have you.

Move out of NY... most people in middle class neighborhoods make about half of what you make and live just fine here in FL. With your salary you could live like a KING here. ”

“ Eat raw fish, get a 9 FOOT tapeworm!

NYT's August 8, 2006
Tale of the Tapeworm (Squeamish Readers Stop Here)
By LARRY ZAROFF, M.D.
This is a Jewish fish story. Or more accurately a Jewish fishworm story.
My mother, like her mother, was an expert Jewish cook, their specialties famous in our extended family. Their secret: taste as you
go. Season slowly until the perfect flavor comes through.
It’s a safe technique with latkes or kreplach but not always with gefilte fish, a ground concoction of freshwater fish, spices, eggs,
salt and matzo meal.
My mother never became sick from tasting raw fish, but, by chance, gefilte fish turned out to be a formidable problem for my
medical partner’s wife, Rita.
Rita was meticulous in keeping a kosher house and enjoyed making the special Jewish dishes, including gefilte fish. An unusually
energetic young woman, she was able to work in the garden, clean the house, cook and support her husband’s surgical practice
without effort. But she had not been feeling well for months: abdominal symptoms of cramps, distention and occasional diarrhea,
associated with increasing weakness, shortness of breath, lethargy and fatigue.
Bob, her husband, was concerned enough to obtain blood work that revealed a profound anemia: her red blood cells were in short
supply. Here was a woman, in her 40’s, who ate a normal diet and took her vitamins. She had no gastrointestinal symptoms until
this episode and had no obvious blood loss. What could be the cause of the anemia?
Microscopic examination of Rita’s red blood cells provided a clue. They were enlarged, with unusual structures, described as
macrocytic. A common cause of this is pernicious anemia resulting from a shortage of vitamin B12 or folic acid, both necessary for
the production of red blood cells. But Rita had no neurologic signs of pernicious anemia or any other systemic disease that would
cause a lack of B12 or folate.
Her doctors were stumped.
Enter Dr. Earl Lipman, a close friend of Bob’s and an outstanding internist and diagnostician, who identified the culprit over the
phone.
Earl asked, “Does Rita make her own gefilte fish?”
“Yes.”
“Does she ever taste the raw fish before adding salt?” Earl continued.
“Yes.”
“She most likely has a fish tapeworm.”
The fish tapeworm — a beast, stubborn as a dog with a beef bone — is reluctant to move, tightly gripping the wall of the small
intestine with its two suction cups. The worm requires a powerful purging medicine to persuade it to leave its cozy cave and exit
the gut into the light.
After purging, Rita discharged a tapeworm three feet long. Examination of the worm proved Dr. Lipman correct. Diphyllobothrium
latum, the fish tapeworm, was identified by the pathologist. Her anemia slowly went away, and her abdominal symptoms
disappeared.
The disease is unusual and the diagnosis can be hard to make. It was good fortune that Dr. Lipman had been a resident at Mount
Sinai Hospital in Manhattan, where he had done research on vitamin B12.
Rita expressed her gratitude to by presenting Dr. Lipman with a large china fish platter.
The largest parasite of humans, the fish tapeworm — known for its length and the length of its life — is an ideal freeloader:
compassionate, cunning, living off its host but not killing its benefactor. Often the worm causes no harm but may, as in Rita’s case,
cause symptomatic anemia.
In the intestine, the worm is a fierce competitor for vitamin B12. Absorbing the vitamin for its own needs, the worm deprives the
bone marrow of a vital ingredient for making red blood cells.
Tapeworms sometimes reach a length of 30 feet and can live up to 20 years. They have a complex life cycle; in adult form they
attach themselves by suction cup to the small intestine of vertebrates.
The fishworm is a compact sex machine containing both male and female sex organs sufficient to produce and release up to a
million eggs a day.
To survive, the eggs must reach fresh water, where they become embryos with hooks that are ingested by crustaceans. The
crustaceans in turn are swallowed by fish. Freshwater fish like the pike and perch, major ingredients of gefilte fish, are especially
fond of these delicacies.
Ingested, the larvae of the worms embed themselves comfortably in the muscle fibers of the fish. When humans or other
vertebrates swallow the raw fish, the cycle is completed.
Though symptoms are sometimes described as the Jewish housewives’ disease, the worm is nonsectarian, and the anemia can be
found in other cultures that eat raw freshwater fish.
”

“ We need money for a family they need Sushi and Fleish for shabos ”

“ Avraham ben Aaron Chanoch -- You are right on the money re: "authentic mesorah" being defined by Eastern Europe.

Of course there is a place for retaining 17-19th C. European customs of language, food, & dress, but for those who define this as the paradigmatic "Jewish" experience such that you aren't a "proper Yid" if you speak/dress/eat otherwise, I for one feel a little less magnanimous. To me it's completely narrow-minded, provincial, and frankly pathetic. It's a thin veil of self-righteous spirituality which when lifted reveals a cult-like obsession with the physical/superficial. The sushi issue is just a window into a dark, brute-level consciousness which is part of what keeps us mired in golus.

It's tragic that we need to be reminded, but it's actually LIGHT -- not cholent -- that we're supposed to bring to the nations. ”

“ This is the food of pagans. And to eat it on Shabbos? phee.

BTW, day old sushi is not vrery good for you. ”

“ Good point
and Avrohom Avinu probably ate what some of us Syrian Jews eat, after all he was in ARAM SOBA
so maybe take on some some of our dishes? ”

“ After reading through 80 posts where one yid is not calling another an am'horetz, an apikores, saying he will burn in genenom, or his children must be mamzerim, or bashing the rabbonim its sort of nice to have an article like this now and then. I also learned to check with the mashgiach at the sushi bar to make sure that the sweat glands were properly removed from the yellowtail prior to shechita. ”

“ I hate to break it to you, but there were jews before the Eastern European jews. You make it sound as if the Torah was given in Hungary or Poland. By the way, did Moshe Rabeinu speak Yiddish? Did Shlomo Hamelech eat Cholent? Did Yehoshua Ben Nun Wear a shtreimel? You say you like tradition, but who decided where tradition starts? I'm sure jews in Japan have been enjoying sushi since before your Zaide was even born!!! ”

“ Azoy, and the mashgichim are retired japanese samurai who have a heter from the Tekamaki Rebbe, Z'tl, to work on shabbos too. Do you really believe a restaurant owned by goyim can be mechalelel shabbos and still be kosher?? ”

“ Foods eaten raw are excluded from the issur of bishul akum.

However, sushi involves cooked rice. The rice must be cooked by a yid or the pilot light of the stove must be lit by a yid, which is standard in kosher restaurants.

Aditionally, the seaweed used must be checked under a fluorescent lamp due to the presence of seahorses and other insects.

If sushi were to be cooked, then the requirement of bishul yisroel would apply.

Interestingly, some raise the question of whether fish is subject to the requirements of bishul yisroel, sch as Rav Genack from the OU in a previous edition of Mesorah.

This does not hold in the West, where fish is eaten cooked usually.

Le Ma'aseh, bishul yisroel applies to sushi due to the cooked rice used in the roll. Otherwise, foods normally eaten raw are not subject to the issur of bishul akum. ”

“ I can't believe such small-minded, self-centered people post here.

1. There are yidden all over the world who eat all kinds of foods. In Asia (where there are plenty of frum yidden) they have been eating sushi for hundreds (if not thousands) of years. Should those yidden stop eating it and start buying rolls of frozen gefilte fish? Such stupidity. Sefardim don't eat it either. Are they apikorsim for not eating gefilte fish?

2. Sushi is VERY healthy. Tuna and salmon are both good for your heart. As for any contamination fears, the types of fish used are usually those that are very resistant to bacteria (salmon, tuna, etc), and are stored in a very sanitary manner.

3. If you all don't want it... we'd be happy to have someone open up a sushi bar in my neighborhood! ”

“ There is a problem with the kashrus in the preparation of sushi. The raw fish, rice or vegies are wrapped in seaweed to hold it together. The seaweed in the ocean absorbs oils and body sweat emitted from other fish including non kosher varieties such as whale and lobster. This was reported in a recent issue of a national biological journal in regard to people with alergic reactions developed after consuming sushi. Ergo when eating sushi you are also eating extractions of fish prohibited by jewish law. The mashgichim are not checking for this and allowing the cosumption of treif. ”

“ Fish is still subject to Bishul Akum. It is oleh al shulchan melachim. Sushi is normally eaten raw; raw foods, since they are not cooked, do not have to be Bishul Yisroel. The goy isn't cooking- he is rolling thr fish and the rice inside a sheet of seaweed.

This doesn't change the status of fish at all. Foods aren't considered "edible raw" until most of the people in a city consider it edible raw. Thus, although many restaurants have sushi bars and many people enjoy it, there are also many people who can't imagine eating raw fish. Moreover, many people living in smaller towns and rural areas have not been exposed to sushi and would still find it repulsive to eat raw fish. Also, only Sushi-grade fish is used for sushi; Only the freshest fish is sushi-grade and the fish used for canning, smoking and other uses, isn't suitable for sushi. As such, even if there weren’t a concern of bishul akum on the sushi-fish, there may be a concern on other fish.

This one preparation of fish does not change the status of an entire food, and therefore, fish must be Bishul Yisroel. ”

“ You're just A big baal teivah. Your grandparents ate kugel and cholent. Gefilteh fish and carp/salmon/white fish. Chicken and farfel. AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE TRADITONAL FOODS HAVE A MEKOR WHY WE EAT IT. They didn't stuff themselves with some Goyish-Kup-came-up-with-Sushi. Why do u think sushi's last name is meshuga...or MESHUNA !!?? ”

“ A question to the Talmidei Chachomim out there.

Bishul Akum only goes on on something that can not be eaten raw.

Now that we have sushi, does that mean that Bishul Akum no longer applies to the types of fishes that are used in sushi?

What do you think? ”

“ There is a story about the Belzer zeicher tzadik livruchu, when one of his chasidim brought before Pessach carrots for karpas and the Rebbe immediately paskened not to use the carrots for karpas. Later it was found out and reported by the chusid that beer was poured over the carrots plants. Chasidim asked the Rebbe how he was immediately able to pasken not to use it. His answer was that it is not the minhag to use carrots for karpas. You should not be meshane minhagim ”

“ I agree- there is nothing unhalakhic about eating foods adopted from other cultures. Jewish culture has done exactly that- the issur of chukas ha goyim only applies when there is something the goyim do out of avodah zarah. There is nothing wrong with eating sushi, pizza, falafels/ Arabic food, or chulent/kishke/Polish-German-Hungarian food. Reb Menashe Klein seems to disgree, however. He paskened that Yidden should only eat foods we had in the alte heim, therefore eliminating Kosher Thai/Chinese/French/Italian, etc. ”

“ "Did you know that the Jews invented sushi? That's right - two Jews bought a restaurant with no kitchen." Jackie Mason. ”

“ I can't beleive the nonsense that i am reading in this thread. Shabbos foods have always taken on the best of the local fare. Just because soemthing is new doesn't mean that you can't eat it on Shabbos. Where did Gefilte Fish come from? to avoid the issue of BORER. Cholent? so that we can have hot food Shabbos by day. BTW, how many people know that the word Cholent is really made up of two french words meaning to "heat slowly" (chaleur lente)? If you like sushi then it should be under the ctegory of BASSUR V'DAGIM V"CHOL MATAMIM.
And for those who are against sushi, please take the Chuos, Techina, Guacomole and other dips off the table too because they were not prevalent in eastern Europe. ”

“ Doesn't the halachah say that raw fish is muktsah?? ”

“ what kind of supervision do these restaurants get ?
i'm very surprised, over here in Europe it wouldn't be acceptable to eat in such places, I don't think i'd trust these restaurants !! ”

“ At a combined income of 200K you have obviously made choices which while may be necessities for you would be luxury for others. You have chosen to spend on other expenses while others make different choices. If sushi was a priority you would find the 45$. There is no way 200K is not sufficient if you choose wisely. ”