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Jul 08, 2009 at 05:11 PM
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Hatzolah is transporting the injured 12-year-old child to Saint Francis Hospital after diving into the pool of Camp Karlin Stolin (former Torah Vodaas) on Chodikee Lake Road in Ulster County.
Injuries seems not to be life threatening.
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Jul 08, 2009 at 05:17 PM Anonymous Says:
its camp karlin stolin - not Camp Torah Vodaas
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Jul 08, 2009 at 05:18 PM UBET Says:
You send your children off to camp and hope they come home in one piece. This is awful!!!! May Hashem send him a refu shelaima, and protect our yiddishe children!
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Jul 08, 2009 at 05:29 PM clever Says:
hashem yishmur! rfia shleima! in a pool full of children, diving should be prohibited!!
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Jul 08, 2009 at 05:25 PM Anonymous Says:
There is no hatzolah in that area. I know because a few years ago a boy fell off a tree and died because they were waiting a half hour for the ambulance!
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Jul 08, 2009 at 06:35 PM Life altering Says:
I stopped to say tehilim before typing this comment, please do the same.
perhaps spinal injuries are not life threatening but they ARE life altering. I hope this is not serious, sometimes there is temporary damage or swelling which gets better.
I thought diving was not allowed.
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Jul 08, 2009 at 06:29 PM YitzchokM Says:
“ hashem yishmur! rfia shleima! in a pool full of children, diving should be prohibited!! ”
"in a pool full of children, diving should be prohibited"
Huh?
What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?!?
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Jul 08, 2009 at 06:28 PM Anonymous Says:
“ its camp karlin stolin - not Camp Torah Vodaas ”
It was once the sight of Camp Torah Vodaas- went there as kid 45 yrs ago- was there before they had a pool- we swam in the lake- quite enjoyable if I may say so myself-
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Jul 08, 2009 at 06:18 PM Oy Gevald Says:
Too many incidents at Stolin camp. Many smaller, not so well known incidents there point to inadequate supervision, instruction and direction in general. Add to that, inexperienced EMT's, and what do you get? Hair-raising incidents.
In any case, Mazel Tov to Moshe Perlstein upon his engagement there. He too had an accident several summers ago there. Chasdei Hashem!
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Jul 08, 2009 at 06:51 PM Anonymous Says:
1).B"H there were no spinal injuries and the kid is on his way back to camp.
2). Even though there is no Hatzoloh in the area they have a Hatzoloh Paramedic (one of the best BP medics) on ground at all times.
3) There are 6 lifegaurds patroling the pool area at all times and most of them are EMT.
4.) The State trooper on scene commended the medic and emt on scene for their profesionalism in giving proper pt care as they did a rapid take down and immobilized with a board and collar.
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Jul 08, 2009 at 06:51 PM Anonymous Says:
wow they had last year 20 lifeguards- due to the overcrodowing in pool
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Jul 08, 2009 at 06:49 PM Anonymous Says:
“ There is no hatzolah in that area. I know because a few years ago a boy fell off a tree and died because they were waiting a half hour for the ambulance! ”
by the way the ambulance today came within 4 minutes
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Jul 08, 2009 at 05:54 PM hatzolah guy Says:
“ There is no hatzolah in that area. I know because a few years ago a boy fell off a tree and died because they were waiting a half hour for the ambulance! ”
B201 is in that camp and is h hatzolah medic
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Jul 08, 2009 at 06:58 PM Anonymous Says:
I was there on scene. we had 3 EMT'S and a medic. thats our camp hatzola. also, the ambulance showed up within FIVE MIN. i was very impressed with the way the camp handeled it.
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Jul 08, 2009 at 06:56 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Too many incidents at Stolin camp. Many smaller, not so well known incidents there point to inadequate supervision, instruction and direction in general. Add to that, inexperienced EMT's, and what do you get? Hair-raising incidents.
In any case, Mazel Tov to Moshe Perlstein upon his engagement there. He too had an accident several summers ago there. Chasdei Hashem! ”
what you just posted is not loshon horah it is pure sheker, camp karlin stolin has a experienced hatzolah paramedic on premises 24/7 (including 3 experienced EMT's) so please don't make any assumptions about inadequate supervision before you find out your facts
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Jul 08, 2009 at 06:55 PM Anonymous Says:
Camp Torah Vodaath lives forever. It is a shame it closd doen. Very fond memories from the many summers that I spent there
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Jul 08, 2009 at 07:40 PM Anonymous Says:
on scene was as follows: Shlomy Milworm-health director EMT, Benjy Lieberman- Head lifegaurd EMT, Avrumy Flohr- EMT , AND Reb S.Y. Zenwirth b-201 medic. they treated and stablized the patient very professional manner. Kudos to Camp Stolin for having such a professional staff!!
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Jul 08, 2009 at 07:29 PM Anonymous Says:
As a former lifeguard I cannot stress enough the importance of not diving head first into the shallow water....it can very easily lead to spinal injuries r"l.
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Jul 08, 2009 at 07:23 PM Chelem Says:
“ hashem yishmur! rfia shleima! in a pool full of children, diving should be prohibited!! ”
Yes, "in a pool full of children, diving should be prohibited!!" Also, you should warn that if the pool is empty of any water - no diving, please!! Do you have any other thoughts to share or have you run dry? Foolish people make assumptions and then make conclusions that have no connection with reality.
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Jul 08, 2009 at 07:48 PM kingsley the chuchem Says:
I remember Bobover camp in Ferndale and Camp Agudah in Parksville-We had the clothes benches in the pool itself because we had only enough water to stand up to our chests> THERE SHOULD BE NO DIVING OR JUMPING INTO WATER> WITH SEVERE PUNISHMENT FOR VIOLATORS> PERIOD!!! IN ANY CAMP!!
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Jul 08, 2009 at 07:14 PM News Update Says:
I just spoke with a Rebbe at the camp. He said that the boy just came back from the Hospital and Baruch Hashem HE IS ALL OKAY!!!
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Jul 08, 2009 at 07:08 PM Mosquito bait from Camp TV Says:
Camp Torah Vodaath lives forever. It is a shame it closd doen. Very fond memories from the many summers that I spent there
Reply ยป
You obviously never slept in the staff bunk that was on top of a swamp.
You obviously never peeled skinless franks so the real ganev in charge of the canteen could do his genevish shtick undisturbed.
PS: all true and he was caught, wonder what shtick he has progressed to now!
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Jul 08, 2009 at 08:51 PM Boro Park Says:
“ on scene was as follows: Shlomy Milworm-health director EMT, Benjy Lieberman- Head lifegaurd EMT, Avrumy Flohr- EMT , AND Reb S.Y. Zenwirth b-201 medic. they treated and stablized the patient very professional manner. Kudos to Camp Stolin for having such a professional staff!! ”
Besides for "Zenwirth" you mention here, who else is experienced????
The young guys you mention don't have the experience to monitor a camp full of "lebidige" boys. That so-called "Health Director" isn't even married yet, not a Hatzolah member but has family connections. Wow!
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Jul 08, 2009 at 08:44 PM Oy Gevald Says:
“ what you just posted is not loshon horah it is pure sheker, camp karlin stolin has a experienced hatzolah paramedic on premises 24/7 (including 3 experienced EMT's) so please don't make any assumptions about inadequate supervision before you find out your facts ”
What I stated is the historical facts. "IF" this year, they vamped up the week-long medical staff - not talking about weekends, then with all due respect, kudos to the administration, it's about time. In the past, a young newly-wed "cool dude" was the EMT on premises with as much experience as a school secretary. That aside, the camp administration has, historically speaking allowed for tree-climbing as high as some apartment buildings in New York which contributed to the death of a camper there recently. It was not a one-time freak experience. Boys had been climbing trees there for awhile. Regarding other lacking administrative responsibilities, I speak from personal experience and would love to elaborate on even more recent administration mismanagements in medical decisions but cannot discuss details due to privacy of the camper/patient. The Stolin camp has a long ways to come from even last year incidents. Only history will tell us if the camp administration made any real changes or will it repeat itself. I wish this camp the best of luck and pray for its success.
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Jul 08, 2009 at 09:01 PM LIFEGUARD!! Says:
diving is not permitted in water less then 9 feet deep !
is that pool 9 feet deep??
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Jul 08, 2009 at 08:18 PM Anonymous Says:
by the way B201 used to be medic in the B - now BLS
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Jul 08, 2009 at 09:19 PM Hatzalah superviser Says:
“ by the way B201 used to be medic in the B - now BLS ”
you dont know what your talking about im a member and he's from the best medics in Hatzala
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Jul 08, 2009 at 09:14 PM Anonymous Says:
I hate tos ay this but this camp is one of the most popluar camps for the middle of the road and Chasidish kids. The kids learn well AND have a great time. Hopefully there is proper supervision at all times but more than that we need Hashem to watch over everyone because ultimately HE is the one in charge!
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Jul 08, 2009 at 09:09 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I just spoke with a Rebbe at the camp. He said that the boy just came back from the Hospital and Baruch Hashem HE IS ALL OKAY!!! ”
yep I just spoke to Rabbi Shain the head counselor B"H all is o.k.
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Jul 08, 2009 at 09:31 PM Believer Says:
It's a great camp. We all need Siyata Dishmaya wherever we are. Stop looking to place blame. When Hashem wants something to happen it does
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Jul 08, 2009 at 10:08 PM Anonymous Says:
“ you dont know what your talking about im a member and he's from the best medics in Hatzala ”
oh yes? ur unit #?
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Jul 08, 2009 at 09:48 PM Anonymous Says:
Abe Flohr is a gr8 EMT :) (Abe, lkwd aint the same without u)
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Jul 08, 2009 at 09:44 PM Real Hatzalah Says:
Such Stories happen everywhere every day and was handled excellent and with very experienced EMT and a medic and not by L& S Hungary people that are trying to get rid of one of the best medics in new york city B 201 Rabbi S Y Z Shalita that gives away his life for people.
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Jul 08, 2009 at 10:23 PM Anonymous Says:
“ There is no hatzolah in that area. I know because a few years ago a boy fell off a tree and died because they were waiting a half hour for the ambulance! ”
he did not die cuz of no ambulance there was nothing to do for him. my husband was there.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 02:58 AM Anonymous Says:
Best camp in the mountains. Rabbi shain, Yari, your the best. hatzlcha rabba.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 01:18 AM A CONCERND PARENT Says:
Thanks to the wonderful MEDICAL AND AQUTICS TEAM for responding professionaly to this and all emergancy involving all the campers.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 01:12 AM The commity of TORAH STAFF Says:
I herd that the camp became very safe with all new state of the art computerized scanning system. It is even used for STAFF SEDER!!!
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Jul 09, 2009 at 12:36 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Too many incidents at Stolin camp. Many smaller, not so well known incidents there point to inadequate supervision, instruction and direction in general. Add to that, inexperienced EMT's, and what do you get? Hair-raising incidents.
In any case, Mazel Tov to Moshe Perlstein upon his engagement there. He too had an accident several summers ago there. Chasdei Hashem! ”
1. The story with Reb moshy Perlstien DID NOT happen in camp. 2. Stories like these happen all over just not everywere do they have tuna biegles to post the hock!!
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Jul 09, 2009 at 12:27 AM Torah vodath alumnie Says:
When I was a lifegaurd at Camp Torah Vodath 25 years agoe they did not allow diving durring a general swim. To the guy that said he went swimming in the lake - BS- its a dirty smelly swamp.
Any alumnie remember We love The Boss Newhouse, Super greese Moty Finklman, Hersh Michel Chin, Fifers cooking, Goldfingers cocush cake, OOOh Yitsty Urps, Gots, Newman, Shanik, Heshy Wolf, Rabbi Wolfson and the masmidim. Back then there was a infirmary with a registered nurse. No EMTs. If someone got hurt they would rush him to the hosital by car. I remember staff being sprayed by a skunks and we baught them tomato juice to take a bath.
Hashem Yishmor. Be carefull we are entering the 3 weeks.
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Jul 08, 2009 at 11:57 PM Yehudis Says:
In Every place things will happen and they not always ate fortunate things. Well, just say gam zu letova- and live on
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Jul 08, 2009 at 11:39 PM Anonymous Says:
“ diving is not permitted in water less then 9 feet deep !
is that pool 9 feet deep?? ”
10 feet, at least!
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Jul 08, 2009 at 11:22 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Besides for "Zenwirth" you mention here, who else is experienced????
The young guys you mention don't have the experience to monitor a camp full of "lebidige" boys. That so-called "Health Director" isn't even married yet, not a Hatzolah member but has family connections. Wow! ”
Benji is married with a kid!!!!!!!
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Jul 09, 2009 at 08:40 AM Anonymous Says:
I have very fond memories of CTV. I was in bunk Chof Tes and Chof Zayin. Remember the bunk house next to the office with a farm fan!
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Jul 09, 2009 at 08:30 AM Anonymous Says:
“ What I stated is the historical facts. "IF" this year, they vamped up the week-long medical staff - not talking about weekends, then with all due respect, kudos to the administration, it's about time. In the past, a young newly-wed "cool dude" was the EMT on premises with as much experience as a school secretary. That aside, the camp administration has, historically speaking allowed for tree-climbing as high as some apartment buildings in New York which contributed to the death of a camper there recently. It was not a one-time freak experience. Boys had been climbing trees there for awhile. Regarding other lacking administrative responsibilities, I speak from personal experience and would love to elaborate on even more recent administration mismanagements in medical decisions but cannot discuss details due to privacy of the camper/patient. The Stolin camp has a long ways to come from even last year incidents. Only history will tell us if the camp administration made any real changes or will it repeat itself. I wish this camp the best of luck and pray for its success. ”
You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder & are airing a grudge. I feel that I can criticize you for your drivel, as I''ve lost a post-teenage child in an auto accident. Chill out man....
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Jul 09, 2009 at 09:38 AM Anonymous Says:
I am the father of the child and I want to thank those that mention that they said Tihilim. The camp staff did a great job. They sent my sons counsler along to the hospital. He called me with updates every few minutes, really great job!! Yasher Koach again to all concerned. Have an easy fast.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 09:55 AM #22 Says:
has family connections for what?
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Jul 09, 2009 at 08:51 AM Anonymous Says:
They camp has to be more responsibilty. The accident a few years ago almost took the LIVES OF 4 BUCHURIM!!!!! There should be more supervision in all areas of the camp! I'm not saying the buchur who died in the camp by the tree was camps fault, but there should have been someone knowing where the buchurim are all the time!! Some type of supervision! Are we all going to wake up when racmunus l'tzlan another person gets killed??!! Camp Stolin wake up and revamp your ways! Kudos to the medical staff for responding with the proffesionism yesterday to the diving accident!
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Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22 AM Anonymous Says:
Loved CTV, great camp... Was there for 7 years... I wish it was stil around so I could send my kids there... the R Finklmans, R Leiner, R Pressman. R' Chin. Big Moishe, Pfeifer, Newhouse, The best Camp Basketball Team in the Mountains!
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Jul 09, 2009 at 11:26 AM #46 the camp has to be more responsible Says:
Do you have any idea about the staffing in this camp? How do you know that there was not enough staffing. Its not possible to have one on one staffing. Rabbi Shain runs a very efficient camp wuth more than adequate staffing. "I do personally know" Please remember that accidents do happen and we can only try a little bit harder.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 07:51 PM CTV Rocks Says:
B"H the boy is OK.
I was at CTV for nine years, on and off, from 1982-1993. I was so sad when it closed down. It was really an amazing camp, with a special achdus. We were proud of the fact that we were one of the few camps without a gym. We used to play in Mosquito Square Garden. Good times!
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Jul 09, 2009 at 08:02 PM Oy Gevald Says:
“ You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder & are airing a grudge. I feel that I can criticize you for your drivel, as I''ve lost a post-teenage child in an auto accident. Chill out man.... ”
May Hashem comfort you among the mourners of Zion and Yerushalayim.
Unfortunately, I know of what I speak. Like I said, I hope indeed, they have become more responsible and not "hefker" attitude.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 10:06 PM Yitz Says:
I also spent many summers in CTV, the place to be! (From 1966-1977, before most of you were born!) I'm so proud that my kids went to the same place as did I, albeit with a different administration! The Emunas Yisroel Kehilla was established there! The Mashgiach 'feerd tish' on the front lawn! Reb Shmiel Duvid walked around all Friday encouraging the use of the Mikveh. Who remembers when "Squeeki" was almost sent home and Rav Wolfson came down and challenged "The Boss." And, one second, who was the boss? Wasn't it Mrs. Newhouse? like in the grammen we sang, "The Boss, The Boss, talalala...... Mrs. Newhouse, ta lalalalala!
Wasn't 'Oncle Sem' Rabbi Deeshone? Who remembers the Color War breakout in 1968 when Reb Shloima Krinsky came and Rabbi Sherman didn't wait for him for Shemona Esray!? And Nicki Gordon and Benny Birnbaum! The play of the Wizard of Oz when Boruch Hisenrath played Danny! Ah, oh CTV, it was the place to be!!!
AS FOR STOLINER CAMP TODAY Rabbi Shain and Rav Shimon Spira run the camp that's the envy of the mountains! There certainly is adequate shmira there! The place is a makom Kadosh in every sense of the word! There is very adequate shmira! Remember a vort from Rav Hutner, "Rooba d'Rooba feert der Aibershter der velt!" How many out there haven't "witnessed" a car accident? Things happen! We must teach our kids to be careful and we must provide adequate shmira and let G-t run His world! Let's be more careful and have bitochon in Him!
(WHO REMEMBERS THE MOSQUITOS - they're not there any more, the way they used to be! The goy, yimach shmoi, had the CTV administration believe that the area was a protected wildlife zone and spraying wasn't legal. He confessed to a friend when drunk at the bar that he made it all up cuz he loved to see Jewish kids suffer! Yimach Shmoi!)
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Jul 11, 2009 at 10:20 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Too many incidents at Stolin camp. Many smaller, not so well known incidents there point to inadequate supervision, instruction and direction in general. Add to that, inexperienced EMT's, and what do you get? Hair-raising incidents.
In any case, Mazel Tov to Moshe Perlstein upon his engagement there. He too had an accident several summers ago there. Chasdei Hashem! ”
What a chutzpah! I've been in many camps and this one in particular for long enough to know that this is not true. There are B"H rarely any incidents more or equal to any other camp. Yes, when children are playing ball, you will have more of a chance of injury than when a child is in yeshiva learning.
Inexperienced EMT?!!!! Get your facts straight!