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Bentzion Miller
Responding to claims Miller actively recruited people to smuggle drugs and even paid them, Miller’s attorneys, Avraham Landstein and Lior Chaimovitz, claimed he maintained contact with several people “he was generally acquainted with” and “periodically visited the Bnei Brak yeshiva” attended by the young men now held in Japanese custody.
Miller’s lawyers acknowledged their client paid for the couriers’ travel expenses. “The defendant did purchase plane tickets to Tokyo, but did so because he had been asked to,” they insisted, saying the request had not come from the young men themselves, but from a third party. Agreeing to purchase the tickets was “an act of chessed,” they explained.
Miller’s attorneys claimed they have not received all of the material from the investigation in Japan and that the material the Tel Aviv District Prosecutor has provided so far was poorly translated. Prosecuting Attorney Oren Paz said the Japanese have not released their findings. “If Japan is not honoring our requests to produce the investigation protocols by e-mail, how will the couriers be able to come here to testify?”
Miller was arrested five months ago. According to his charge sheet he recruited and operated Yoel Goldstein, Yosef Greenwald and Yosef B., 17- and 18-year-old charedim who smuggled 90,000 Ecstasy pills from Holland to Japan in false-bottom suitcases. He has been charged with conspiracy to commit a criminal act, exporting and importing drugs and soliciting minors to engage in controlled substances.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 03:59 PM chesky Says:
What happened with the mental disorder his lawers said he has. He should be transferred to a institute
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Jul 09, 2009 at 04:02 PM Big Masmid Says:
Who is HE trying to fool
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Jul 09, 2009 at 04:01 PM a reader Says:
this presents an interesting dilemma for those who feel either that 1. no frum yid is ever guilty of any crime (its all just an anti-semetic/anti-chareidi conspiracy) or 2. the mitzvah of pidyon shevuyim applies no matter what crime the yid committed, and we must do everything to get him out of jail no matter what (by the way, does madoff count??):
how do you respond here when by supporting\justifying what reb benzion did, you are indirectly placing blame on the boys who are locked up in japan. for years we have been hearing about how the innocent 'erliche bochurim' were set up by some evil crook. well, now we've found him. will the frum yidden maintain their position that he is a 'rosho' for setting the boys up, and he should be locked up, or will we change our tune, claim the whole thing is a conspiracy, and argue that he is a "baal chesed" and as innocent as the boys in japan???
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Jul 09, 2009 at 04:00 PM whats has he been smoking? Says:
You call this an act of Chesed??? Oh please! wake up.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 04:21 PM esther Says:
so,who's the mysterious third party?
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Jul 09, 2009 at 04:21 PM Three Weeks Says:
The World does not 'jews' like this, especially in a time like this. He does not deserve life, as has killed the lives of others.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 04:15 PM Anonymous Says:
It would be a real "act of chessed" for klal yisroel to lock him up for life and throw away the key. Please spare us these legal theatrics while the 3 bochurim rot in a jail in Japan.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 04:10 PM m Says:
Assume he bought the tickets at the request of a third party -
1. Why
2. Who is the third party?
3. Where is the third party?
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Jul 09, 2009 at 04:03 PM Anonymous Says:
“ What happened with the mental disorder his lawers said he has. He should be transferred to a institute ”
true the bad guy is sick and getting sicker doing to much chesed
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Jul 09, 2009 at 04:54 PM farveitung Says:
“ this presents an interesting dilemma for those who feel either that 1. no frum yid is ever guilty of any crime (its all just an anti-semetic/anti-chareidi conspiracy) or 2. the mitzvah of pidyon shevuyim applies no matter what crime the yid committed, and we must do everything to get him out of jail no matter what (by the way, does madoff count??):
how do you respond here when by supporting\justifying what reb benzion did, you are indirectly placing blame on the boys who are locked up in japan. for years we have been hearing about how the innocent 'erliche bochurim' were set up by some evil crook. well, now we've found him. will the frum yidden maintain their position that he is a 'rosho' for setting the boys up, and he should be locked up, or will we change our tune, claim the whole thing is a conspiracy, and argue that he is a "baal chesed" and as innocent as the boys in japan??? ”
i guess it is not your child
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Jul 09, 2009 at 04:54 PM Anonymous Says:
I truly hope the court does him an act of chessed by providing him room and board for a long time!
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Jul 09, 2009 at 04:46 PM Anonymous Says:
has enough money to defend him selfr
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Jul 09, 2009 at 06:15 PM Anonymous Says:
What I don’t understand why someone would even claim that they paid couriers’ and travel expenses, and he bought tickets to Tokyo and “if it was only for an act of chessed”, lets dissect this skunk, a person strikes up a friendship with young man in the yeshiva and somehow they requested from him to help them go to Japan for what he doesn’t know but as a good Jew he decided to help with the expensive. Now let’s see how this came to be, so for amusement purposes we have a video so here is how it could have went down.
1st scenario
Young man: Miller can you spare some expense money, for travel to Japan.
Miller: Why would you as single bucher travel to Japan?
Young man: well we belong the Breslev so we would like to go to Japan and bring the Breslov Chassidus to the Japanese’s.
Miller: But I am Satmer why should I help.
Young man: well it would be a big Kiddish Hashem we could bring back a lot of Japanese who would like to convert.
Miller: How would you pay me back, is kind expensive
Young Man: well spreading the word is a Mitzvah and a chessed.
Miller: you right, how I can deny you money to do Hashem work, a chessed. is a chessed.
2nd scenario
Young man: Hi Miller long time no see you.
Miller: kind of being busy working hard to make a living. How is it going with you guys?
Young man: Well Miller, we are kind of overworked you see we been in this Yeshiva for so long, we need to clear our head out. So we decided to go to Japan for some R&R. but we don’t have any money, can you please spare some.
Miller: how are guys going to pay me back it is a lot of money?
Young man: well you believe in chessed; we are just falling apart in the Yeshiva we have to go.
Miller: you guys just said the magic word chessed is a chessed, how can I as a Jew not help my brothers who are need of a chessed.
3rd scenario
Miller: how you doing boys:
Young man: just wasting time waiting for a my Bashert
Miller: how are you guys doing with money?
Young man: never enough
Miller: I have some business deal I could get you guy’s into.
Young man: cut me in:
Miller: well I know this guys would pay you handsomely if you deliver some counter banned stuff into the far east, as you travel you would be able to do some good for yourself and save some good money which would help you with the Bashert.
Young man: well how do we get money upfront, it is a lot of money to buy tickets to Japan?
Miller: Anything to help someone to get some money saved up, so he could find his Bashert that is pure chessed, I just couldn’t leave you high and dry. That is why we are Satmer we help our own.
Young man: Thanks you, thank you, may Hashem bless you.
Now I don’t claim that my depiction of what went on is true but it gives you an idea how to look at the defense of Miller.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 06:10 PM Anonymous Says:
The third party is a Israeli-Sefardic mafia family in Israel, very powerful and dangerous, so a lot of people are scare to talk about it.
Miller and his family knows to keep quiet, if not, He and his family can have "accidents". So I'm sorry for this guy , but He deserve it.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 06:01 PM scooter Says:
Wow What A Chased Man I Think He Should Get A Award
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Jul 09, 2009 at 05:38 PM Anonymous Says:
who is paying his attorneys ?
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Jul 09, 2009 at 07:13 PM Anonymous Says:
“ What I don’t understand why someone would even claim that they paid couriers’ and travel expenses, and he bought tickets to Tokyo and “if it was only for an act of chessed”, lets dissect this skunk, a person strikes up a friendship with young man in the yeshiva and somehow they requested from him to help them go to Japan for what he doesn’t know but as a good Jew he decided to help with the expensive. Now let’s see how this came to be, so for amusement purposes we have a video so here is how it could have went down.
1st scenario
Young man: Miller can you spare some expense money, for travel to Japan.
Miller: Why would you as single bucher travel to Japan?
Young man: well we belong the Breslev so we would like to go to Japan and bring the Breslov Chassidus to the Japanese’s.
Miller: But I am Satmer why should I help.
Young man: well it would be a big Kiddish Hashem we could bring back a lot of Japanese who would like to convert.
Miller: How would you pay me back, is kind expensive
Young Man: well spreading the word is a Mitzvah and a chessed.
Miller: you right, how I can deny you money to do Hashem work, a chessed. is a chessed.
2nd scenario
Young man: Hi Miller long time no see you.
Miller: kind of being busy working hard to make a living. How is it going with you guys?
Young man: Well Miller, we are kind of overworked you see we been in this Yeshiva for so long, we need to clear our head out. So we decided to go to Japan for some R&R. but we don’t have any money, can you please spare some.
Miller: how are guys going to pay me back it is a lot of money?
Young man: well you believe in chessed; we are just falling apart in the Yeshiva we have to go.
Miller: you guys just said the magic word chessed is a chessed, how can I as a Jew not help my brothers who are need of a chessed.
3rd scenario
Miller: how you doing boys:
Young man: just wasting time waiting for a my Bashert
Miller: how are you guys doing with money?
Young man: never enough
Miller: I have some business deal I could get you guy’s into.
Young man: cut me in:
Miller: well I know this guys would pay you handsomely if you deliver some counter banned stuff into the far east, as you travel you would be able to do some good for yourself and save some good money which would help you with the Bashert.
Young man: well how do we get money upfront, it is a lot of money to buy tickets to Japan?
Miller: Anything to help someone to get some money saved up, so he could find his Bashert that is pure chessed, I just couldn’t leave you high and dry. That is why we are Satmer we help our own.
Young man: Thanks you, thank you, may Hashem bless you.
Now I don’t claim that my depiction of what went on is true but it gives you an idea how to look at the defense of Miller.
”
Oh God it is funny, I am not sure if today we should read and laugh
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Jul 09, 2009 at 07:09 PM Anonymous Says:
You know what makes me mad at miller, what would I have done if it was my son who he induced to go to Japan, there is no justification, he should get some hard time, this a Yeroven Ben Navod, may God have mercy on the young man in Japan, but not Miller.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 07:50 PM Anonymous Says:
A little diffrent .Yeroven caused the whole kllal to sin,he forced them and has no portion in olam habah.The jerk who sent these bochurim hurt three people.What about all the Madoff's in our midst whom have destroyed lives,are they also Yerovem?Please let us not play G-d.And I have been devestated twice in my lifetime by so called frum Madoff's.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 07:46 PM aaron monsey Says:
“ this presents an interesting dilemma for those who feel either that 1. no frum yid is ever guilty of any crime (its all just an anti-semetic/anti-chareidi conspiracy) or 2. the mitzvah of pidyon shevuyim applies no matter what crime the yid committed, and we must do everything to get him out of jail no matter what (by the way, does madoff count??):
how do you respond here when by supporting\justifying what reb benzion did, you are indirectly placing blame on the boys who are locked up in japan. for years we have been hearing about how the innocent 'erliche bochurim' were set up by some evil crook. well, now we've found him. will the frum yidden maintain their position that he is a 'rosho' for setting the boys up, and he should be locked up, or will we change our tune, claim the whole thing is a conspiracy, and argue that he is a "baal chesed" and as innocent as the boys in japan??? ”
#3 I think you are correct. I saw recently that Rav Shmuel Wosner said that Yad L'Achim is Mikayim Pidyon Shvuyim Min Hatorah when they have to rescue Jewish and Children who are trapped in Arab Villages. Obviously Rabbi Wosner is coming to exclude other so called cases of pidyon shvuyim. So it makes sense. Take care
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Jul 09, 2009 at 07:33 PM a gezunte mame Says:
Avraham Landstein and Lior Chaimovitz, it really hurts to see that the attorneys are jewish. How can they even take on such a case? The Eibishter should forgive me but I can't be melamed zechus here.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 07:26 PM Sam Says:
“ What I don’t understand why someone would even claim that they paid couriers’ and travel expenses, and he bought tickets to Tokyo and “if it was only for an act of chessed”, lets dissect this skunk, a person strikes up a friendship with young man in the yeshiva and somehow they requested from him to help them go to Japan for what he doesn’t know but as a good Jew he decided to help with the expensive. Now let’s see how this came to be, so for amusement purposes we have a video so here is how it could have went down.
1st scenario
Young man: Miller can you spare some expense money, for travel to Japan.
Miller: Why would you as single bucher travel to Japan?
Young man: well we belong the Breslev so we would like to go to Japan and bring the Breslov Chassidus to the Japanese’s.
Miller: But I am Satmer why should I help.
Young man: well it would be a big Kiddish Hashem we could bring back a lot of Japanese who would like to convert.
Miller: How would you pay me back, is kind expensive
Young Man: well spreading the word is a Mitzvah and a chessed.
Miller: you right, how I can deny you money to do Hashem work, a chessed. is a chessed.
2nd scenario
Young man: Hi Miller long time no see you.
Miller: kind of being busy working hard to make a living. How is it going with you guys?
Young man: Well Miller, we are kind of overworked you see we been in this Yeshiva for so long, we need to clear our head out. So we decided to go to Japan for some R&R. but we don’t have any money, can you please spare some.
Miller: how are guys going to pay me back it is a lot of money?
Young man: well you believe in chessed; we are just falling apart in the Yeshiva we have to go.
Miller: you guys just said the magic word chessed is a chessed, how can I as a Jew not help my brothers who are need of a chessed.
3rd scenario
Miller: how you doing boys:
Young man: just wasting time waiting for a my Bashert
Miller: how are you guys doing with money?
Young man: never enough
Miller: I have some business deal I could get you guy’s into.
Young man: cut me in:
Miller: well I know this guys would pay you handsomely if you deliver some counter banned stuff into the far east, as you travel you would be able to do some good for yourself and save some good money which would help you with the Bashert.
Young man: well how do we get money upfront, it is a lot of money to buy tickets to Japan?
Miller: Anything to help someone to get some money saved up, so he could find his Bashert that is pure chessed, I just couldn’t leave you high and dry. That is why we are Satmer we help our own.
Young man: Thanks you, thank you, may Hashem bless you.
Now I don’t claim that my depiction of what went on is true but it gives you an idea how to look at the defense of Miller.
”
I feel guilty laughing so much on a taanis. Hilarious post. But you're right. The defense has a tough job ahead if this is the card they are playing.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 08:46 PM Anonymous Says:
“ What I don’t understand why someone would even claim that they paid couriers’ and travel expenses, and he bought tickets to Tokyo and “if it was only for an act of chessed”, lets dissect this skunk, a person strikes up a friendship with young man in the yeshiva and somehow they requested from him to help them go to Japan for what he doesn’t know but as a good Jew he decided to help with the expensive. Now let’s see how this came to be, so for amusement purposes we have a video so here is how it could have went down.
1st scenario
Young man: Miller can you spare some expense money, for travel to Japan.
Miller: Why would you as single bucher travel to Japan?
Young man: well we belong the Breslev so we would like to go to Japan and bring the Breslov Chassidus to the Japanese’s.
Miller: But I am Satmer why should I help.
Young man: well it would be a big Kiddish Hashem we could bring back a lot of Japanese who would like to convert.
Miller: How would you pay me back, is kind expensive
Young Man: well spreading the word is a Mitzvah and a chessed.
Miller: you right, how I can deny you money to do Hashem work, a chessed. is a chessed.
2nd scenario
Young man: Hi Miller long time no see you.
Miller: kind of being busy working hard to make a living. How is it going with you guys?
Young man: Well Miller, we are kind of overworked you see we been in this Yeshiva for so long, we need to clear our head out. So we decided to go to Japan for some R&R. but we don’t have any money, can you please spare some.
Miller: how are guys going to pay me back it is a lot of money?
Young man: well you believe in chessed; we are just falling apart in the Yeshiva we have to go.
Miller: you guys just said the magic word chessed is a chessed, how can I as a Jew not help my brothers who are need of a chessed.
3rd scenario
Miller: how you doing boys:
Young man: just wasting time waiting for a my Bashert
Miller: how are you guys doing with money?
Young man: never enough
Miller: I have some business deal I could get you guy’s into.
Young man: cut me in:
Miller: well I know this guys would pay you handsomely if you deliver some counter banned stuff into the far east, as you travel you would be able to do some good for yourself and save some good money which would help you with the Bashert.
Young man: well how do we get money upfront, it is a lot of money to buy tickets to Japan?
Miller: Anything to help someone to get some money saved up, so he could find his Bashert that is pure chessed, I just couldn’t leave you high and dry. That is why we are Satmer we help our own.
Young man: Thanks you, thank you, may Hashem bless you.
Now I don’t claim that my depiction of what went on is true but it gives you an idea how to look at the defense of Miller.
”
Oh you are funny it has been 10 minutes and I am still laughing, not well in the 3 weeks. You know I hope his lawyers read this post and will see how foolish their argument sounds.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 08:41 PM Anonymous Says:
“ A little diffrent .Yeroven caused the whole kllal to sin,he forced them and has no portion in olam habah.The jerk who sent these bochurim hurt three people.What about all the Madoff's in our midst whom have destroyed lives,are they also Yerovem?Please let us not play G-d.And I have been devestated twice in my lifetime by so called frum Madoff's. ”
Absolutely no, all-thorough Jewish history, Yeroven Ben Navod, was used as an example even if only a singular person was affected, not to belittle the Medoff or like episodes, but those were monetary theft from none suspecting people, but Miller ‘induced”, GOT IT INDUCED, young impressionable men for his benefit, it is no different them if Miller opened a house of ill-repute, in Yerushalayim.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 10:34 PM Crackberry613 Says:
“ What I don’t understand why someone would even claim that they paid couriers’ and travel expenses, and he bought tickets to Tokyo and “if it was only for an act of chessed”, lets dissect this skunk, a person strikes up a friendship with young man in the yeshiva and somehow they requested from him to help them go to Japan for what he doesn’t know but as a good Jew he decided to help with the expensive. Now let’s see how this came to be, so for amusement purposes we have a video so here is how it could have went down.
1st scenario
Young man: Miller can you spare some expense money, for travel to Japan.
Miller: Why would you as single bucher travel to Japan?
Young man: well we belong the Breslev so we would like to go to Japan and bring the Breslov Chassidus to the Japanese’s.
Miller: But I am Satmer why should I help.
Young man: well it would be a big Kiddish Hashem we could bring back a lot of Japanese who would like to convert.
Miller: How would you pay me back, is kind expensive
Young Man: well spreading the word is a Mitzvah and a chessed.
Miller: you right, how I can deny you money to do Hashem work, a chessed. is a chessed.
2nd scenario
Young man: Hi Miller long time no see you.
Miller: kind of being busy working hard to make a living. How is it going with you guys?
Young man: Well Miller, we are kind of overworked you see we been in this Yeshiva for so long, we need to clear our head out. So we decided to go to Japan for some R&R. but we don’t have any money, can you please spare some.
Miller: how are guys going to pay me back it is a lot of money?
Young man: well you believe in chessed; we are just falling apart in the Yeshiva we have to go.
Miller: you guys just said the magic word chessed is a chessed, how can I as a Jew not help my brothers who are need of a chessed.
3rd scenario
Miller: how you doing boys:
Young man: just wasting time waiting for a my Bashert
Miller: how are you guys doing with money?
Young man: never enough
Miller: I have some business deal I could get you guy’s into.
Young man: cut me in:
Miller: well I know this guys would pay you handsomely if you deliver some counter banned stuff into the far east, as you travel you would be able to do some good for yourself and save some good money which would help you with the Bashert.
Young man: well how do we get money upfront, it is a lot of money to buy tickets to Japan?
Miller: Anything to help someone to get some money saved up, so he could find his Bashert that is pure chessed, I just couldn’t leave you high and dry. That is why we are Satmer we help our own.
Young man: Thanks you, thank you, may Hashem bless you.
Now I don’t claim that my depiction of what went on is true but it gives you an idea how to look at the defense of Miller.
”
Everyone is forgetting that they were offered free tickets to Lizensk for taking the packages to Japan.
How about this scenario ?
Can you please lend us money to buy tickets to Japan and Lizensk ? Someone offered us free tickets if we take some packages to Japan. We get paid in Japan once we drop off the packages and will repay upon our return.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 10:14 PM Ernie Kugel Says:
Let's wait until the facts are presented in court and then if the court finds him guilty we on VosIsNeias can decide the appropriate punishment.:-) In the mean time let's all have a safe 3 weeks, and let's hope that 9Bav will be a YomTov and not a fast day
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Jul 09, 2009 at 09:57 PM Anonymous Says:
“ this presents an interesting dilemma for those who feel either that 1. no frum yid is ever guilty of any crime (its all just an anti-semetic/anti-chareidi conspiracy) or 2. the mitzvah of pidyon shevuyim applies no matter what crime the yid committed, and we must do everything to get him out of jail no matter what (by the way, does madoff count??):
how do you respond here when by supporting\justifying what reb benzion did, you are indirectly placing blame on the boys who are locked up in japan. for years we have been hearing about how the innocent 'erliche bochurim' were set up by some evil crook. well, now we've found him. will the frum yidden maintain their position that he is a 'rosho' for setting the boys up, and he should be locked up, or will we change our tune, claim the whole thing is a conspiracy, and argue that he is a "baal chesed" and as innocent as the boys in japan??? ”
I think this problem is too big to minimalize with trite phrases like "baal chessed". They all chose the wrong path in life, even the 17-year-old (who is not too young for the most serious punishment) and the frum world should do teshuva for allowing this to happen.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 09:01 PM Anonymous Says:
“ this presents an interesting dilemma for those who feel either that 1. no frum yid is ever guilty of any crime (its all just an anti-semetic/anti-chareidi conspiracy) or 2. the mitzvah of pidyon shevuyim applies no matter what crime the yid committed, and we must do everything to get him out of jail no matter what (by the way, does madoff count??):
how do you respond here when by supporting\justifying what reb benzion did, you are indirectly placing blame on the boys who are locked up in japan. for years we have been hearing about how the innocent 'erliche bochurim' were set up by some evil crook. well, now we've found him. will the frum yidden maintain their position that he is a 'rosho' for setting the boys up, and he should be locked up, or will we change our tune, claim the whole thing is a conspiracy, and argue that he is a "baal chesed" and as innocent as the boys in japan??? ”
Yes I agree with your assessment, Miller is to be punished harshly, I hope they make an example with this drug paddler/pusher/shipper, or whatever you would call him.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 09:14 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The third party is a Israeli-Sefardic mafia family in Israel, very powerful and dangerous, so a lot of people are scare to talk about it.
Miller and his family knows to keep quiet, if not, He and his family can have "accidents". So I'm sorry for this guy , but He deserve it. ”
Nobody thinks that Miller was the sole organizer and yes it could very well have been a third party who is the mastermind, but that should not minimize what miller did to the three young men who are now incarcerated in Japan, he is the one who tempted them to be a illegal drug courier, who know how many more kid he used all ready.
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Jul 10, 2009 at 12:36 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Everyone is forgetting that they were offered free tickets to Lizensk for taking the packages to Japan.
How about this scenario ?
Can you please lend us money to buy tickets to Japan and Lizensk ? Someone offered us free tickets if we take some packages to Japan. We get paid in Japan once we drop off the packages and will repay upon our return. ”
Ok let me try your scenario
4th scenario
Young man: Miller nice to see you,
Miller: Same here. Why are you so down on yourself, you need to find simcha you guys look like you falling apart.
Young man: well Miller you see, we have a problem we have this ability to get money to go Lizensk you know we would like to visit Reb Elimelech and maby it will help us find our Bashert, but we only going to get money after we return. Please can you front us the money.
Miller: how would you get the money only after the trip.
Young man: well you see our benefactor wanted us first to deliver some Likutei Moharan to Japan,
Miller: Wow can I get into this racket. How many books do you need to shlep must be around 50,000 Likutei Moharan to pay for them to pay you back.
Young man: well, we have it all worked out it is not that many it should fit in a faults bottom of one or two suitcases.
Miller: Why the faults bottom,
Young man: well the Japanese are really against Rebbe Nachman's books, you know that this priest not to long ago converted, so they decided a full embargo against Rebbe Nachman's books, and there is no chessed, bigger, them bringing some Likutei Moharan’s for the starving Japanese’s souls.
Miller: How can I deny the chessed to bring to the Japanese’s souls the Likutei Moharan, and the second chessed of you going to the visit Reb Elimelech and help you find your Bashert
Young man: thank you, thank you Miller, to show my appreciation; after we get married we will name our first born after you.
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Jul 10, 2009 at 07:03 AM Boroparkyenta Says:
“ Ok let me try your scenario
4th scenario
Young man: Miller nice to see you,
Miller: Same here. Why are you so down on yourself, you need to find simcha you guys look like you falling apart.
Young man: well Miller you see, we have a problem we have this ability to get money to go Lizensk you know we would like to visit Reb Elimelech and maby it will help us find our Bashert, but we only going to get money after we return. Please can you front us the money.
Miller: how would you get the money only after the trip.
Young man: well you see our benefactor wanted us first to deliver some Likutei Moharan to Japan,
Miller: Wow can I get into this racket. How many books do you need to shlep must be around 50,000 Likutei Moharan to pay for them to pay you back.
Young man: well, we have it all worked out it is not that many it should fit in a faults bottom of one or two suitcases.
Miller: Why the faults bottom,
Young man: well the Japanese are really against Rebbe Nachman's books, you know that this priest not to long ago converted, so they decided a full embargo against Rebbe Nachman's books, and there is no chessed, bigger, them bringing some Likutei Moharan’s for the starving Japanese’s souls.
Miller: How can I deny the chessed to bring to the Japanese’s souls the Likutei Moharan, and the second chessed of you going to the visit Reb Elimelech and help you find your Bashert
Young man: thank you, thank you Miller, to show my appreciation; after we get married we will name our first born after you.
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Nebech we are laughing when these people and their families are facing such tzoros. It is sad indeed that there is a Sephardic/Mafia family involved that the Israelis are afraid of. The FBI would have taken this family down a long time ago.
All drug dealers should be jailed. It would never have happened if not for the drugs. This is all coming from the yetzer hara for money. & more money.
People that have no money do not have to travel to Lizensk or anywhere else. There are enough mekomos kedoshim in Israel that these boys could have davened for their beshert. & now who knows if and when they will be able to get married and start a family. & if we live in the USA, we can daven at the kosel anytime, the kosel in our homes and shuls. Hashem is everywhere.
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Jul 10, 2009 at 07:49 AM Anonymous Says:
i think its like the kids killing their parents and saying in court, have pity on us orphans
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Jul 10, 2009 at 07:30 AM Anonymous Says:
When I was quite young, my father described Dasan and Avirom as Yidden who wore the "shtreimel & beketshe" of the levush at that time. They appeared no different than anyone else, and were considered exemplary people, with the exception of their midos that are described in the Torah and medrash. Calling this choteh u'machati a baal chesed is much the same.
The fact is that all drug dealing is black market by nature, since all of it is illegal. I have no reason to believe that the FBI could have done a better job with a case like this, since all of the back room dealings are underworld, and the criminals are proficient in keeping themselves far away from getting caught. The illegal drug industry does quite well in America, and it is the exception when someone gets caught. More so, the ones that get caught are usually the little guys, the street dealers, perhaps a counterpart of the retailers in legal industries. The efforts of law enforcement are to cut off the supplies at the wholesale level. I do not question that the Israeli authorities are working at that level, and they may even consider this guy insignificant in the bigger picture. Trouble is, that work is much more difficult.
Has anyone ever read the "character references" that get presented to criminal courts before a criminal gets sentenced? Most of them sound like the speeches that brag about the virtues of someone being honored by a mosod at their annual fund raising dinner. These sound like "How can you incarcerate this convicted criminal? He is such a tzaddik. He gave a quarter to a hapless panhandler in shul last week. He donates a few dollars to this or that tzedokoh. He sings zemiros at the Shabbos table." And so on. Even the Sanhedrin has the obligation to address zechusim of the defendant. But to call this guy a baal chesed is taking things to an extreme that appears inconsistent with Torah.
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Jul 10, 2009 at 08:55 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Nebech we are laughing when these people and their families are facing such tzoros. It is sad indeed that there is a Sephardic/Mafia family involved that the Israelis are afraid of. The FBI would have taken this family down a long time ago.
All drug dealers should be jailed. It would never have happened if not for the drugs. This is all coming from the yetzer hara for money. & more money.
People that have no money do not have to travel to Lizensk or anywhere else. There are enough mekomos kedoshim in Israel that these boys could have davened for their beshert. & now who knows if and when they will be able to get married and start a family. & if we live in the USA, we can daven at the kosel anytime, the kosel in our homes and shuls. Hashem is everywhere.
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Sorry Boroparkyenta, my intention of the four scenarios was not to make fun of the parents and family who are hurting, and would not wish on any Jewish family. However, the defenses arguments and explanations is so bizarre and not believable, that it borders on malpractice, except if there is no other explanation to offer, and in a case which the defense have to resort to bizarre explanations, you make a deal via a guilty plea.
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Jul 10, 2009 at 08:54 AM A YID Says:
I say put him on the the flight to japan with no return ticket and send the 3 buchrim back home without return ticket
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Jul 10, 2009 at 09:48 AM Anonymous Says:
While i agree that we shou;ld not have rachmanus on him in a general sense, he should be given the oppportunity to defend himself. therefore the transcrips should be properly translated etc.
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Jul 10, 2009 at 10:36 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Nebech we are laughing when these people and their families are facing such tzoros. It is sad indeed that there is a Sephardic/Mafia family involved that the Israelis are afraid of. The FBI would have taken this family down a long time ago.
All drug dealers should be jailed. It would never have happened if not for the drugs. This is all coming from the yetzer hara for money. & more money.
People that have no money do not have to travel to Lizensk or anywhere else. There are enough mekomos kedoshim in Israel that these boys could have davened for their beshert. & now who knows if and when they will be able to get married and start a family. & if we live in the USA, we can daven at the kosel anytime, the kosel in our homes and shuls. Hashem is everywhere.
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Yes, Nebech for the family, but this Miller guy no way, this man set up young adults as mules, to run drugs why should we care that he is in jail for a long time. He made his moral choice now he needs to live with the consequences.
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Jul 10, 2009 at 12:38 PM Jolly Joe Says:
I can't believe a lawyer agreed to represent him.....
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Jul 10, 2009 at 02:54 PM Anonymous Says:
If a Jew kill another Jew, or forces himself on your wife or child, would you feel bad for him, No same here I don’t see any difference let him get old in Jail.
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Jul 10, 2009 at 05:23 PM Milhouse Says:
He didn't say he was doing a chesed for the bochurim. Maybe he was innocently doing a chesed for someone else, by organising the bochurim to go. That person would be the real villain in the matter (unless he too was innocently acting for someone else).
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Jul 10, 2009 at 05:19 PM frumie Says:
I know miller personally and I know it taka was a chesed what he was doing and he never would send someone with drugs he is a erlicha mentch who is innocent and will get schar in olam haba 4 chessed
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Jul 11, 2009 at 09:27 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I know miller personally and I know it taka was a chesed what he was doing and he never would send someone with drugs he is a erlicha mentch who is innocent and will get schar in olam haba 4 chessed ”
Why don’t you tell us who you are, I will make sure that my children don’t have anything to do with you either.