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Orthodox Jews protest pushes a photographer during a protest on the outskirts of conservative Mea Sharim neighborhood in west Jerusalem on June 25, 2009 against the opening of a car park during the Jewish Shabbat.
In a poll conducted for Ynet and the Yesodot organization by the Panels Research Institute, 510 respondents were asked to answer questions surrounding the controversial issue.
When asked whether the Jerusalem municipality should allow the opening of parking lots on Shabbat, 74% responded positively, while 21% said the status quo should be maintained.
Meanwhile, 63% of respondents stated that the violent riots against the opening of the parking lots in Jerusalem mainly fueled tensions and hatred between ultra-Orthodox and seculars; 19% said the rallies dishonored Judaism and the Shabbat; and only 12% said they believe these protests help preserve the holy day's dignity.
A breakdown of the respondents according to religious affiliation revealed that in all sectors the riots were perceived as a dividing factor: 71% of seculars, 53% of traditional Israelis, 52% of haredim and 42% of religious Jews viewed them as such.
Only 30% of haredim said the demonstrations helped protect the Shabbat, while 18% of them said these constitute Shabbat desecration.
Head of the Yesodot Center for Torah and Democracy Shoshi Becker said that in her opinion the Karta parking lot should stay open on Shabbat, because it is not located in a residential area and serves several tourist sites that are visited by many non-Jewish tourists.
"Of course a religious person is saddened when he sees or hears of en masse Shabbat desecration, but in a democratic country this sentiment cannot force a secular person to remain cooped at home," said Becker.
"It should be made clear to the religious and haredi public that they can use educational and cultural mthods to persuade people not to drive on Shabbat. But using violent rallies only evokes hatred towards the ultra-Orthodox society as a whole, and undermines the place and status of the Shabbat," she added.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 05:30 PM Anonymous Says:
Unfortunately, the chareidi rabbonim who encourage these demonstrations probably don't read the newspapers or watch TV so will never know their own followers have reservations about the wisdom of these protests.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 05:25 PM Anonymous Says:
what a screwed poll the numbers don't match
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Jul 09, 2009 at 05:12 PM Anonymous Says:
Excuse me you headline is misleading Haredim and Jewish population are not the same thing who cares what the seculare Jews think about how to protect the shobos they should try to keep it before they preach it and I trust our gedolim to know better than us what constitutes a kidush or chilul hashem and even if it was a charedi exclusive poll I wouldent trust couse the charedim lie to pollsters they all know it and it's a ynet poll I don't trust anything ynet is asociated with
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Jul 09, 2009 at 05:58 PM what are you saying?!?!? Says:
“ Unfortunately, the chareidi rabbonim who encourage these demonstrations probably don't read the newspapers or watch TV so will never know their own followers have reservations about the wisdom of these protests. ”
hey screwball,
which gadol was for the violence?!?
not Maran Ovadya not Reb Elyashiv not The Gerrer Rebbe?
why don't you research before saying this worthless stupidity???
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Jul 09, 2009 at 05:55 PM scooter Says:
So Why Did They Come To Protest If They Don't Think Its Good? And Even If Its True We Have To Follow The Torah Not The Polls, Polls Are Made For Goiyem And The President Campaigns.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 05:54 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Excuse me you headline is misleading Haredim and Jewish population are not the same thing who cares what the seculare Jews think about how to protect the shobos they should try to keep it before they preach it and I trust our gedolim to know better than us what constitutes a kidush or chilul hashem and even if it was a charedi exclusive poll I wouldent trust couse the charedim lie to pollsters they all know it and it's a ynet poll I don't trust anything ynet is asociated with ”
So you don't trust the police, you don't trust the pollsters, you don't trust "secular" jews, and you wouldn't trust the poll results even if they exclusively interviewed chareidim. However, you do place blind trust in some unnamed "gedolim" no matter how misguided they may be in this particular instance (no disrepect but there seems to be considerable disagreement over what information some of the most senior chareidi rabbonim have access to regarding the violence at the several recent events)
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Jul 09, 2009 at 05:53 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Unfortunately, the chareidi rabbonim who encourage these demonstrations probably don't read the newspapers or watch TV so will never know their own followers have reservations about the wisdom of these protests. ”
hi genius listen they only care about hashem and the torah not what their followers think
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Jul 09, 2009 at 05:50 PM chesky Says:
Who cares about polls anyway. The gemora in shabbos says that u have an obligation to protest against chilel shabbos it doesn't say that it depends on polls!
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Jul 09, 2009 at 05:47 PM Heimishe Yid Says:
My father a'h was a very big Talmid Chochom and he said when you see people doing something wrong against the Torah you have to "SHREI IN DI GASSEN" We have to be Moicha....otherwise it can cause a "kitrig in himmel".....c"v.....We have to STAND UP FOR SHABBOS.....FOR OUR TORAH.......SHABBOS!!! Yea keep on screaming Shabbos in di heilige land......................And my father was NOT CHARADI!!!...........
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Jul 09, 2009 at 05:35 PM curious Says:
you mean most people dont respect people who carry themselves like vilda chayas?
i know i do....gevaldig
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Jul 09, 2009 at 06:29 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Excuse me you headline is misleading Haredim and Jewish population are not the same thing who cares what the seculare Jews think about how to protect the shobos they should try to keep it before they preach it and I trust our gedolim to know better than us what constitutes a kidush or chilul hashem and even if it was a charedi exclusive poll I wouldent trust couse the charedim lie to pollsters they all know it and it's a ynet poll I don't trust anything ynet is asociated with ”
I am just as chareidi as you and agree totally that most of these rioters are mechallel
shabbos and are goirem the police to mechallel shabbos besides making a big
chillul hashem for which even Yom Kippur is not mechaper.
Lets not kid ourselves this is all about power of the machers in the Eidah Chareidis
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Jul 09, 2009 at 07:10 PM Anonymous Says:
“ My father a'h was a very big Talmid Chochom and he said when you see people doing something wrong against the Torah you have to "SHREI IN DI GASSEN" We have to be Moicha....otherwise it can cause a "kitrig in himmel".....c"v.....We have to STAND UP FOR SHABBOS.....FOR OUR TORAH.......SHABBOS!!! Yea keep on screaming Shabbos in di heilige land......................And my father was NOT CHARADI!!!........... ”
Your father was 100% correct. If we don't loudly and vocally publicly object to the chillul hashem caused by the protestors/rioters we are guilty too.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 07:49 PM unanumen Says:
If moshe rabainu would have gone with polls we would have never made it out of the desert. And if rav ahron would've gone with polls america would still be a dessert. And if the jews in general went with polls we would all just lay down in dug up graves.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 07:37 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Who cares about polls anyway. The gemora in shabbos says that u have an obligation to protest against chilel shabbos it doesn't say that it depends on polls! ”
Where does the gemara say that?
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Jul 09, 2009 at 07:23 PM Anonymous Says:
“ My father a'h was a very big Talmid Chochom and he said when you see people doing something wrong against the Torah you have to "SHREI IN DI GASSEN" We have to be Moicha....otherwise it can cause a "kitrig in himmel".....c"v.....We have to STAND UP FOR SHABBOS.....FOR OUR TORAH.......SHABBOS!!! Yea keep on screaming Shabbos in di heilige land......................And my father was NOT CHARADI!!!........... ”
Bemchilas kevodo, your father wasn't charaidi and you expect us to take a lesson from him???!!! Feh!
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Jul 09, 2009 at 08:15 PM Anonymous Says:
you think if riot - will it have any affect on anyones yiddishkiet? You just keep on turning them away.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 08:40 PM bunimfrombrooklyn Says:
“ Bemchilas kevodo, your father wasn't charaidi and you expect us to take a lesson from him???!!! Feh! ”
feh you!!!!!!!!!
you didn't know the man and so what if he wasn't chareidi?
you think that its only charedim and the rest are copped liver?
you think Hashem has no taanas on the chareidim?
what the heck does taking a lesson from someone have to do with how chareidi he is?
feh u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jul 09, 2009 at 09:40 PM RJ Says:
“ hey screwball,
which gadol was for the violence?!?
not Maran Ovadya not Reb Elyashiv not The Gerrer Rebbe?
why don't you research before saying this worthless stupidity??? ”
and which godol was against the violence?? If they think its wrong, why don't they say something about it?
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Jul 09, 2009 at 10:05 PM Anonymous Says:
“ feh you!!!!!!!!!
you didn't know the man and so what if he wasn't chareidi?
you think that its only charedim and the rest are copped liver?
you think Hashem has no taanas on the chareidim?
what the heck does taking a lesson from someone have to do with how chareidi he is?
feh u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ”
No, charaidim are absolutely perfect, 100%, and there is nothing anyone can teach us, so if someone who wasn't charaid says we need to protest, this is the biggest proof we shouldn't do it.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 09:55 PM Anonymous Says:
“ and which godol was against the violence?? If they think its wrong, why don't they say something about it? ”
They cannot be for or against something they know nothing about. The gadolim are "walled off" by their gaboim and handlers and do not have access to the TV, internet or media. The only hear that the government is promoting chilul shabbos.
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Jul 09, 2009 at 11:38 PM Miss Williamsburg Says:
“ feh you!!!!!!!!!
you didn't know the man and so what if he wasn't chareidi?
you think that its only charedim and the rest are copped liver?
you think Hashem has no taanas on the chareidim?
what the heck does taking a lesson from someone have to do with how chareidi he is?
feh u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ”
bunimfrombrooklyn, I think someone is pulling your leg and just being sarcastic.
If not, then you surely shouldn't take his comment personally.
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Jul 10, 2009 at 12:06 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Bemchilas kevodo, your father wasn't charaidi and you expect us to take a lesson from him???!!! Feh! ”
sinas chinam in the 3 weeks?
there is something to learn and respect from every person.
aizeh hu chacham haloimed mikal ha'adam.
how can you passul another yid just because he is not chareidi?
none of us are perfect.
please let us daven all together for mashiach and rebuikd the Bais Hamikdash by tisha b'av. Amen!
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Jul 10, 2009 at 12:22 AM PMO Says:
“ sinas chinam in the 3 weeks?
there is something to learn and respect from every person.
aizeh hu chacham haloimed mikal ha'adam.
how can you passul another yid just because he is not chareidi?
none of us are perfect.
please let us daven all together for mashiach and rebuikd the Bais Hamikdash by tisha b'av. Amen! ”
#22... that was probably the smartest thing said on here all day.
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Jul 10, 2009 at 07:00 AM daas baal habyis Says:
the ravad of the eida harav Sternbuch writes in his sefer that even the protest is busting chilil shobes it is alot to protest. MASSHIACH IS READY TO COME in this parsha you see that only one person of 600,000 "Pinchos" had protest in desert sinai
and he stoped the"magaifa" let us be proud of our brothers in yerusholiam and hopefully "hasham" will stop the "magaifa" of swine flu.
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Jul 10, 2009 at 01:09 AM Anonymous Says:
Actually give me a definition of charadi? Does it mean chasidish? yeshivish? litvish? poshnivitsch? with a beard? without a beard? With Peyos hanging down.... Please define because charadi can mean many different meanings to many different people!
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Jul 11, 2009 at 11:09 PM Confused in Passaic Says:
I would think an open parking lot prevents chillul Shabbos. If someone is drving on Shabbos, isnt it better to pull into a lot ASAP instead of driving around forever, trying to find a spot?
I dont get it!
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Jul 11, 2009 at 11:09 PM Confused in Passaic Says:
I would think an open parking lot prevents chillul Shabbos. If someone is drving on Shabbos, isnt it better to pull into a lot ASAP instead of driving around forever, trying to find a spot?
I dont get it!
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Jul 12, 2009 at 04:11 AM ONEOF THE PROTESTERS Says:
Lets imagine for a sec... There is a king sittingin his pallace. Comes a man walks into the kings palace and in middle of the lobby starts humiliating the king. He then goes and starts spittingat pictures of the king. There are many standing around but noone stops him. Wouldn"t you imagine that EVERYONE would be punished?
The same is truein our case. If we wouldn"t 1: cry out and 2: try our best to stop them the people G-D forbid may be punished.