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According to the original law proposal, the two existing ultra-Orthodox school systems which function independently from the state system would have received full funding of their activities instead of 75 percent.
Education Minister Gideon Sa'ar (Likud) also said he will campaign in favor of having the ultra-Orthodox systems adopt the state-set core curriculum which for years they have rejected.
Gafni's proposal would have given the same funds to ultra-Orthodox schools currently budgeted to their state counterparts, without them agreeing to any state supervision. His bill also made a distinction between the two ultra-Orthodox systems and other independent schools.
Committee chairman MK Zevulun Orlev (Habayit Hayehudi) joined forces with Sa'ar to repeal Gafni's proposal. "We've managed to prevent state education from being harmed," Orlev said.
Einar Huruvitz of the Israel Religious Action Center said the new version of the bill was an improvement. "It stops the discrimination in favor of the ultra-Orthodox which existed in the original version," she said.
"It's important that the Knesset stay on guard and make sure the current amendment won't rid the ultra-Orthodox schools from teaching their pupils the core curriculum."
During the Knesset committee's meeting Sa'ar continued to address the contentious issue of the ultra-Orthodox schools accepting the state-set core curriculum.
"So long as there is an indication that a school is not teaching the core curriculum as it should, I will take action to make sure they shall," Sa'ar said.
The Education Ministry threatened that funds will be cut off from schools that ignore the core curriculum.
Israel has four education tracks: State and state-religious offer an education in Hebrew to secular, traditional and Orthodox Jews; Arab schools teach pupils in Arabic with an emphasis on Arab culture and history and ultra-Orthodox schools cater to the growing Haredi community.
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Jul 13, 2009 at 09:48 PM Anonymous Says:
Listen all here, you will take $ from the isreal goverment then you are a zionst , look what the want to do here
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Jul 13, 2009 at 09:40 PM Anonymous Says:
Hopefully, this will be the end of any further efforts to allow these charedi schools to ignore the basic core ciriculum that the professional educators have determined should be required for all yinglach in schools receiving funding from the government. Otherwise, they will just teach them t'nach and other religious subjects and they will be functionally illiterate like some many other chareidim who cannot get jobs or function in society.
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Jul 14, 2009 at 03:54 AM European-American Heimische Says:
“ Hopefully, this will be the end of any further efforts to allow these charedi schools to ignore the basic core ciriculum that the professional educators have determined should be required for all yinglach in schools receiving funding from the government. Otherwise, they will just teach them t'nach and other religious subjects and they will be functionally illiterate like some many other chareidim who cannot get jobs or function in society. ”
Oy, there was a grave typo in my post from a minute ago. It is of course chayov oodom lilmoid es bnoi IMNIS. Don't jump on me for a typo, instead read the content of my argument.
Who says that "Otherwise, they will just teach them t'nach"? Why do you think that T'nach is a significant component of Chareidi education? Anyway, for the sake of our yinglach, for the sake of the Mishne in Keddishin that cahyev oodom lilmoid es bnoi minis, let's hope that one way or another the Israeli Chareidishe education system will catch up with what the heilige Yidden in the US, both Litvish and Chassidish have figured out (though Europeans are behind on this), that a full secular studies program, at least through elementary school, but even through high school, is an absolute necessity, and that at least after marriage, if not already after 3-4 years of yeshive gedoile, tertiary edication is a must, as well. Then, Yidden in Ertetz Yisroel will be blessed with the pussik yegia kepeikhoo ki soikhail, ashreikhoo vetoiv lokh.
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Jul 14, 2009 at 03:44 AM Big Masmid Says:
A real and true Charedi school will never take $ from the Israeli government, only the make believe Charedi schools take from them.
One must understand that the Israeli government is trying to get their corrupted ideas into the CHAREDI school system in order to remove them from Judaism, one of their sly tactics is by offering funding same time ordering commanding and demanding them as what to teach NOW and later on to eliminate Jewish studies altogether etc. Otherwise, why would they care what the children are being tough? if not to try to eventually destroy their entire "Yisishkit" as they have done to many Jews when they arrived in Israel.
In my humble opinion the Charedi community would be much better off NOT excepting funding from the Israeli government and have the Gedolim guide them as what to teach the special Jewish Neshomos, not take guidance from the politicians. I am sure everyone will agree to this.
Let's all pray to Hashem that he should guide us as what to do.
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Jul 14, 2009 at 02:49 AM brisker Says:
“ Hopefully, this will be the end of any further efforts to allow these charedi schools to ignore the basic core ciriculum that the professional educators have determined should be required for all yinglach in schools receiving funding from the government. Otherwise, they will just teach them t'nach and other religious subjects and they will be functionally illiterate like some many other chareidim who cannot get jobs or function in society. ”
You, obviously don't know that for years these Reshoim have not been funding our schools in the same way that they fund theirs. every child has a right to free education if he chooses to go to a secular or Dati Leumi school, our Bais Yaakov schools are subsidised partially by the government and the Yeshivos and chadorim not at all. That is not fair. each parent is entitled to send his children to the school of his or her choice.
They are doing everything in their power to stunt the growth of the Chareidi Education System because they see that their system is a failure and every year the amount of children in our schools increase and the amount of pupils in their system decreases. a fair number of these secular students are leaving the secular schools because their parents see the poor grades and the bad midos of the other pupils and they send these kids to the Nesivos Moshe Torani Schools and Shuvu schools. These schools were started by the Gedolei Yisroel about 10 years ago to cater for children from secular homes who cannot move directly to a Bais Yaakov or Yeshiva, they spend some time there and then move on to the mainstream Chareidi education system. you should try talking to some of these parents who made the switch. You will be very surprised to learn how grateful they are that their children have been saved from the Secular and Dati Lemi school Systems
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Jul 14, 2009 at 02:31 AM brisker Says:
“ Hopefully, this will be the end of any further efforts to allow these charedi schools to ignore the basic core ciriculum that the professional educators have determined should be required for all yinglach in schools receiving funding from the government. Otherwise, they will just teach them t'nach and other religious subjects and they will be functionally illiterate like some many other chareidim who cannot get jobs or function in society. ”
It is so sad to read a comment like yours. Are you a Frum Jew? Have you any idea of the statistics for violence, drug taking and immoral beahviour for which these young children aged 12 and up are involved in? In addition the grades of the students in the secular and Dati Leumi system are pretty appallling compared to the rest of the world and the Charedi school system.
Only the Gedolei Yisroel can decide for us what can be taught in our schools. they have vehemently opposed the introduction of this core curriculum in the Chareidi Schools. We value their judgemnet more than your's. If the secular and Dati Leumi education system which teaches the core curriculum is collapsing. Why should we include it in our excellent schools?
We would rather be "without jobs and not function in society", which is not true, by the way then become secularised apikorsim like you!!
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Jul 14, 2009 at 01:50 AM PMO Says:
If you want to take money from society, you have to be able to provide something TO society. Nothing in this world is FREE. Since when is it a crime to expect schools to teach kids enough that they should be able to go out and make a living on their own instead of living off the backs of everyone else? Everyone wants to tell everyone else in EY how to dress, and where they can and can't have parking lots, etc., and will turn violent to do it.... but they will happily take their hard-earned money from them at the same time. I wonder how much of that money was made on shabbos... or through other aveiros....
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Jul 14, 2009 at 12:36 AM Anonymous Says:
The news articles aren't very accurate. This battle is over funding that affects the Chunuch Atzmai schools such as Beis Yaakov, which teach the entire core curricula except for civics (and maybe exercise) and which consistently score higher on the nationwide math and other tests than the state secular and religious schools. The fight is over funding required to pay for basic services to schools--such as cleaning, toilet paper, heating, air conditioning and secretaries. The toilets in my daughter's school, with approximately 700 girls, get cleaned one a day, in the evening, if that often. The girls bring their own toilet paper but try not to use the toilets because there are no toilet seats and no money to buy them. They sit all winter in an unheated building, shivering in their coats. We are not talking money for luxuries such as computers and pretty gymnasiums, which haven't seemed to bring up the educational standards in the government schools. We are talking about necessities. Besides my husband and I work and we pay lots of taxes to the government here. Why isn't our daughter entitled to basic human needs?
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Jul 13, 2009 at 11:00 PM BOB Says:
“ Hopefully, this will be the end of any further efforts to allow these charedi schools to ignore the basic core ciriculum that the professional educators have determined should be required for all yinglach in schools receiving funding from the government. Otherwise, they will just teach them t'nach and other religious subjects and they will be functionally illiterate like some many other chareidim who cannot get jobs or function in society. ”
You are absolutely wrong. Secular Israeli students are in the top 50 percent performers,only in regard of CRIME,where secular Israeli students stand out,they are excelent in drugs,violence and crime. The Israeli government is not content that are so terible when it comes to education. They would now like to do the same g-D forbid to the ultra-orthodox community where the finest and most respected Israeli reign.
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Jul 13, 2009 at 10:53 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Hopefully, this will be the end of any further efforts to allow these charedi schools to ignore the basic core ciriculum that the professional educators have determined should be required for all yinglach in schools receiving funding from the government. Otherwise, they will just teach them t'nach and other religious subjects and they will be functionally illiterate like some many other chareidim who cannot get jobs or function in society. ”
Listen big mouth, with all your respect do you believe one second that you're in any shape or form more successful that any of the chradim, poor man you're, we have b'h always managed to earn and saved lots $$ without any degree, hasham has NP helping someone without degree, I'm a business man with many great connection and b'h make $ I can promise you that I didn't know what a bank account or wire transfer means 6 yrs ago, and the wires I do today need 3 people approval do to the large amount, I love when you say you need to learn b/c you need to make $$, hahahaha
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Jul 14, 2009 at 06:28 AM Charles Hall Says:
You take government money, you follow government rules.
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Jul 14, 2009 at 06:15 AM Shlomo Zalman Says:
This is a broken record. The chareidi system will never give in to demands like these, for them it's ye'hareig ve'al ya'avor. Never. Any rov who agrees to these demands will be blacklisted ke'heref ayin. And so the majority of these boys will be functional illiterates and will not make it in the outside world, for good and bad. The minority will manage to get an education either by straddling the fence (yishuv, ma'arava and the like) or by leaving the system when they are older.
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Jul 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM red Says:
Why should they study secular subjects.They don't need to be educated.Schnorring in America requires no education.
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Jul 14, 2009 at 07:25 AM Anonymous Says:
It is known that anybody who can learn gemoroh properly mit a geshmakkeit and is good in lymudei kodesh, has a sharp mind to succeed later in life, whether its in kodesh or chol(buisness).
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Jul 14, 2009 at 07:20 AM Anonymous Says:
“ It is so sad to read a comment like yours. Are you a Frum Jew? Have you any idea of the statistics for violence, drug taking and immoral beahviour for which these young children aged 12 and up are involved in? In addition the grades of the students in the secular and Dati Leumi system are pretty appallling compared to the rest of the world and the Charedi school system.
Only the Gedolei Yisroel can decide for us what can be taught in our schools. they have vehemently opposed the introduction of this core curriculum in the Chareidi Schools. We value their judgemnet more than your's. If the secular and Dati Leumi education system which teaches the core curriculum is collapsing. Why should we include it in our excellent schools?
We would rather be "without jobs and not function in society", which is not true, by the way then become secularised apikorsim like you!! ”
Do you and the rabbonim want to condem your children to continued generations coming out of kollel with no parnassah, no education with which to get a job, no education to understand and evaluate political debate on the future of the medinah or even read, understand and post a coherent commment on VIN? That is the objective of the minimal secular education mandated by the core ciriculum and to deny the children this mininal level of real world educational skills is a form of abuse and would be irresponsible for the government to fund any school doing so.
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Jul 14, 2009 at 08:25 AM Anonymous Says:
“ It is known that anybody who can learn gemoroh properly mit a geshmakkeit and is good in lymudei kodesh, has a sharp mind to succeed later in life, whether its in kodesh or chol(buisness). ”
A good gemorah cup doesn't guarantee success in business or a citizen who can effectively participate in public affairs. In my frequent travels to EY I schmooze with yeshiva bochurim who barely understand whats happening in the world regarding the economy, the U.S. Israel relationship, and even recent changes within their own government. They don't have any idea about the emergence of china as a world power, North korea's nuclear threats or even the American withdrawal from Iraq. Its like they have been locked in a cave for a decade and show virtually no interest in anything outside of their narrow world as defined by their rebbe.
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Jul 14, 2009 at 08:25 AM Anonymous Says:
“ It is known that anybody who can learn gemoroh properly mit a geshmakkeit and is good in lymudei kodesh, has a sharp mind to succeed later in life, whether its in kodesh or chol(buisness). ”
A good gemorah cup doesn't guarantee success in business or a citizen who can effectively participate in public affairs. In my frequent travels to EY I schmooze with yeshiva bochurim who barely understand whats happening in the world regarding the economy, the U.S. Israel relationship, and even recent changes within their own government. They don't have any idea about the emergence of china as a world power, North korea's nuclear threats or even the American withdrawal from Iraq. Its like they have been locked in a cave for a decade and show virtually no interest in anything outside of their narrow world as defined by their rebbe.
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Jul 14, 2009 at 08:00 AM Anonymous Says:
Leave it to the rabbonim to develop the torah ciriculum but don't believe they have any competetence to design a secular cirriculum so that the student can get minimal language, math and social science skills in the little bit of time the chareid schools are willing to devote to secular instruction. Leave the latter to professional educators.
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Jul 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM Milhouse Says:
“ You take government money, you follow government rules. ”
It's not the government's money. It's the taxpayers' money, and charedim pay taxes like everybody else.
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Jul 14, 2009 at 10:57 AM Milhouse Says:
“ Hopefully, this will be the end of any further efforts to allow these charedi schools to ignore the basic core ciriculum that the professional educators have determined should be required for all yinglach in schools receiving funding from the government. Otherwise, they will just teach them t'nach and other religious subjects and they will be functionally illiterate like some many other chareidim who cannot get jobs or function in society. ”
"Hopefully"?! Chas vesholom. אל תגעו במשיחי
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Jul 14, 2009 at 10:56 AM Milhouse Says:
“ A good gemorah cup doesn't guarantee success in business or a citizen who can effectively participate in public affairs. In my frequent travels to EY I schmooze with yeshiva bochurim who barely understand whats happening in the world regarding the economy, the U.S. Israel relationship, and even recent changes within their own government. They don't have any idea about the emergence of china as a world power, North korea's nuclear threats or even the American withdrawal from Iraq. Its like they have been locked in a cave for a decade and show virtually no interest in anything outside of their narrow world as defined by their rebbe. ”
“ A good gemorah cup doesn't guarantee success in business or a citizen who can effectively participate in public affairs. In my frequent travels to EY I schmooze with yeshiva bochurim who barely understand whats happening in the world regarding the economy, the U.S. Israel relationship, and even recent changes within their own government. They don't have any idea about the emergence of china as a world power, North korea's nuclear threats or even the American withdrawal from Iraq. Its like they have been locked in a cave for a decade and show virtually no interest in anything outside of their narrow world as defined by their rebbe. ”
Why does anyone need to know these things in order to make a living?
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Jul 14, 2009 at 12:30 PM Charlie Hall Says:
“ It's not the government's money. It's the taxpayers' money, and charedim pay taxes like everybody else. ”
True. And the taxpayers' representatives have decided to require the core curriculum. End of discussion.
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Jul 14, 2009 at 12:28 PM Esther Says:
“ A real and true Charedi school will never take $ from the Israeli government, only the make believe Charedi schools take from them.
One must understand that the Israeli government is trying to get their corrupted ideas into the CHAREDI school system in order to remove them from Judaism, one of their sly tactics is by offering funding same time ordering commanding and demanding them as what to teach NOW and later on to eliminate Jewish studies altogether etc. Otherwise, why would they care what the children are being tough? if not to try to eventually destroy their entire "Yisishkit" as they have done to many Jews when they arrived in Israel.
In my humble opinion the Charedi community would be much better off NOT excepting funding from the Israeli government and have the Gedolim guide them as what to teach the special Jewish Neshomos, not take guidance from the politicians. I am sure everyone will agree to this.
Let's all pray to Hashem that he should guide us as what to do.
”
valid point that the government is trying to control the Charady education
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Jul 14, 2009 at 04:02 PM brisker Says:
“ Why should they study secular subjects.They don't need to be educated.Schnorring in America requires no education. ”
This is such a disgusting comment, how much do you hate frum people??? It is true in every situation there are those that are not honest and are collecting instead of working, but to say this about all the people that have fallen on hard times and need help is very shameful. Anyway Hashem decides how much parnossa each one will earn each year and it has nothing to do with whether one learns or knows secular subjects. we are so used to living with Goyim and absorbing their world view which is anti Torah and we have learned to think like them. They believe in Kochi ve Etzem Yodi Assoh Li es Ha Chayil Ha ze. Loosely translated, it is my ingenuity, my skill or my hard work etc, that makes me succsessful or not. The exact opposite is true. Hashem decides what happens to each individual in Klal Yisroel and to the entire Jewish Community. The only thing that controls His behaviour towards us is our observance or lack of observance of His Torah and Mitzvos!!!!! Not whether we learn about Zionism or the history of Herzl Yimach Shemo, which is part of the core curriculum they would like to teach our children. By the way, all Bais Yaakov students learn the relevant secular subjects like math, geography, biology, chemistry, English, etc. but from bboks and teachers that are frum and do not teach them Kfira like the theory of Evolution. The boys also learn some secular subjects like math. science. biology history. in Yeshiva Ketana from the age of 13, they do not learn secular subjects, this is in Eretz Yisroel of course. the Gedolei Yisroel are against the core curriculum not because it has secular subjects, but because THESE WICKED PEOPLE WANT TO DESTROY THE TORAH COMMUNITY WITH THEIR BRAND OF SECULAR SUBJECTS WHICH CONTAIN ANTI TORAH CONCEPTS. As I have mentioned, secular subjects that are necessary and taught in the proper way are part of the Chareidi school curriculum.The girls write exams on these subjects too!!!
I heard from Rav Shlomo Brevda Shlita that the Ramban writes at the end of Parshas Bo, that a Jew has no part in Hashem's Torah unless he believes completely that all that happens to us as individuals or a people is above the laws of nature. So our lack of knowledge of Anti Torah concepts has no bearing on our material or spiritual well being. THE SECULAR JEWS IN THE EDUCATION DEPT. IN ISRAEL HAT THE FRUM JEWS SO ANY THING THEY WANT US TO ADOPT MUST BE OF NO BENIFIT TO US AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jul 14, 2009 at 07:00 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Why should they study secular subjects.They don't need to be educated.Schnorring in America requires no education. ”
You need at least to be able to read a map, so they should have special shnoer classes
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Jul 14, 2009 at 07:35 PM BOB Says:
“ Hopefully, this will be the end of any further efforts to allow these charedi schools to ignore the basic core ciriculum that the professional educators have determined should be required for all yinglach in schools receiving funding from the government. Otherwise, they will just teach them t'nach and other religious subjects and they will be functionally illiterate like some many other chareidim who cannot get jobs or function in society. ”
You are absolutely wrong. Secular Israeli students are in the top 50 percent performers,only in regard of CRIME,where secular Israeli students stand out,they are excelent in drugs,violence and crime. The Israeli government is not content that are so terible when it comes to education. They would now like to do the same g-D forbid to the ultra-orthodox community where the finest and most respected Israeli reign.
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Jul 15, 2009 at 12:28 AM PMO Says:
“ Listen big mouth, with all your respect do you believe one second that you're in any shape or form more successful that any of the chradim, poor man you're, we have b'h always managed to earn and saved lots $$ without any degree, hasham has NP helping someone without degree, I'm a business man with many great connection and b'h make $ I can promise you that I didn't know what a bank account or wire transfer means 6 yrs ago, and the wires I do today need 3 people approval do to the large amount, I love when you say you need to learn b/c you need to make $$, hahahaha ”
I would love to know what job you have where you make so much money and literacy is not required. Maybe the rest of the illiterates who are living off of MY tax money can get a job with your company and stop leaching off my back!
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Jul 15, 2009 at 12:26 AM PMO Says:
“ Listen big mouth, with all your respect do you believe one second that you're in any shape or form more successful that any of the chradim, poor man you're, we have b'h always managed to earn and saved lots $$ without any degree, hasham has NP helping someone without degree, I'm a business man with many great connection and b'h make $ I can promise you that I didn't know what a bank account or wire transfer means 6 yrs ago, and the wires I do today need 3 people approval do to the large amount, I love when you say you need to learn b/c you need to make $$, hahahaha ”
I would love to know what job you have where you make so much money and literacy is not required. Secondly, I am always suspicious of people who are in businesses where money has to be "wired".
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Jul 15, 2009 at 07:52 AM brisker Says:
You have all got it wrong. Read my earlier comment # 24. you will understand that secular subjects are taught in the Bais Yaakiov schools in Eretz Yisroel and also in the Chadorim in a more limited fashion. When the girls finish 12th. Grade they choose within the framework of the Bais Yaakov Schools, courses in accounting, business management, teaching , computer graphics, computer programming etc. the secular subjects taught are from books without anti Torah ideas and by frum teachers.
The core curriculum includes subjects that teach Kefira and that is why the Gedlolei Torah are vehemently opposed to introducing it in to our schools.our children have no need to learn about Zionism and the life and times of Herzl, yimach shemo.
It is a very big mistake to think that The Gedolei Yisroel are not in tune with what is going on in the world and cannot decide about whether or what secular subjects can be taught in our education nework. They study Torah all day and are the only ones qualified to guide us as to what Hashem requires from us.
A classic case of how Gedolei Torah have eyes that can see further than ours is when the Israeli government were encourageing people to live in what is now called the settlements, and were offering all kinds of financial inducements to people to go there, Ha Rav Shach ztz"l advised all the Chareidim who asked, not to go there. He said one day they will give the land back. How right he was.!!! All our Gedlei Torah never studied any secular subjects and they advised people on medical treat mnts etc. all based on their Torah knowledge. There are documented cases of the Chazon Ish ztz"l who drew diagrams for neuro surgeons on how to perform difficult proceedures prove this. All he had for reference was the Torah he learnt. These weeks when we all learn Pirkei Avos on Shabbos Afternoon, it is well worth reading and learning the Mishna that says, "Hafok Ba Ve Hafok Ba, Ki Kulo Ba". Everything is in the Torah. we just have to know where to find it.
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Jul 15, 2009 at 07:09 AM Charles Hall Says:
“ This is such a disgusting comment, how much do you hate frum people??? It is true in every situation there are those that are not honest and are collecting instead of working, but to say this about all the people that have fallen on hard times and need help is very shameful. Anyway Hashem decides how much parnossa each one will earn each year and it has nothing to do with whether one learns or knows secular subjects. we are so used to living with Goyim and absorbing their world view which is anti Torah and we have learned to think like them. They believe in Kochi ve Etzem Yodi Assoh Li es Ha Chayil Ha ze. Loosely translated, it is my ingenuity, my skill or my hard work etc, that makes me succsessful or not. The exact opposite is true. Hashem decides what happens to each individual in Klal Yisroel and to the entire Jewish Community. The only thing that controls His behaviour towards us is our observance or lack of observance of His Torah and Mitzvos!!!!! Not whether we learn about Zionism or the history of Herzl Yimach Shemo, which is part of the core curriculum they would like to teach our children. By the way, all Bais Yaakov students learn the relevant secular subjects like math, geography, biology, chemistry, English, etc. but from bboks and teachers that are frum and do not teach them Kfira like the theory of Evolution. The boys also learn some secular subjects like math. science. biology history. in Yeshiva Ketana from the age of 13, they do not learn secular subjects, this is in Eretz Yisroel of course. the Gedolei Yisroel are against the core curriculum not because it has secular subjects, but because THESE WICKED PEOPLE WANT TO DESTROY THE TORAH COMMUNITY WITH THEIR BRAND OF SECULAR SUBJECTS WHICH CONTAIN ANTI TORAH CONCEPTS. As I have mentioned, secular subjects that are necessary and taught in the proper way are part of the Chareidi school curriculum.The girls write exams on these subjects too!!!
I heard from Rav Shlomo Brevda Shlita that the Ramban writes at the end of Parshas Bo, that a Jew has no part in Hashem's Torah unless he believes completely that all that happens to us as individuals or a people is above the laws of nature. So our lack of knowledge of Anti Torah concepts has no bearing on our material or spiritual well being. THE SECULAR JEWS IN THE EDUCATION DEPT. IN ISRAEL HAT THE FRUM JEWS SO ANY THING THEY WANT US TO ADOPT MUST BE OF NO BENIFIT TO US AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!! ”
Herzl Yimach Shemo?
Disgusting. Without him we wouldn't have a Jewish state to which we can request money for religious schools!
And evolution is a fact. How can a fact be kefirah? (We of course believe that H'K'B'H is behind it, along with everything else.)
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Jul 15, 2009 at 08:15 AM David Says:
Everyone should learn the core curriculum, and everyone-- whatever his religious beliefs-- should be turned into a productive citizen with an understanding of math, science, history, culture and literature. Funding or no funding, it's time to grab these people by their payos, and drag them, kicking and screaming if necessary, out of the Middle Ages.
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Jul 15, 2009 at 02:13 PM Anonymous Says:
#4 asks "why would they care what the children are being tough[t]?"
Because people who are ignorant of ecology, health, geo-politics, history, economics, mathematics and civics are too ignorant and uneducated to run their own households, much less their community or nation. They are too ignorant to know the implications of the decisions they make and the votes they cast. The state has a vested interest in making sure that children grow up to be self-sufficient adults capable of intelligently carrying out their social, community and civic duties, not to mention their duties to their families, both children and elderly. And someone without a decent secular academic education is simply not capable of making intelligent decisions during elections, town hall meetings, school board and financial planning meetings, or at any other time for that matter. That's why.