“ And why is "the woman will be released tomorrow."????? Because these "leidigyers" burned garbage bins?? Because they're acting like animals??? I don't understand where the Rabbanim are??? Stop the nonsense!!! Play some ball, Play soccer, Play Baseball. Have fun!! BUT NOT THIS!!! PLEASE STOP ALREADY! ”

“ God bless this protesters they are doing for another jew what they need to do ”

“ What right do they have to arrest her? She starved her kid? So what now he won't have tayvas of eating... Now she can do what a good Jewish woman of netura karta does, shnorrering ”

“ First of all who said she's innocent? Cuz she's "chareidi"? And yes the rioting obviously did help cuz it forced them to call toldos aron....as stated in the article ”

“ the police in isreael don't understand any normal language when it comes to frum jews they are soinei yisroel ”

“ First of all who said she's innocent? Cuz she's "chareidi"? And yes the rioting obviously did help cuz it forced them to call toldos aron....as stated in the article ”

“ From what I understand, the police have video of her seriously hurting her child. I would be embarassed to stick up for such a piece of trash. I think the police should threaten to release the video to the press if the protests don't stop.

By the way, what is the name of this poor excuse of a mother? Let's expose her for all to see. ”

“ You're extrapolating. Rule of thumb: the police are pigs. This applies to every country. Put people in power, and they will abuse it. So give the toldos aharon dude the same persumption of innocence you do any victim of police brutality elsewhere. And how did you establish that the cops let her go because of the intimidation? Perhaps she will be released on bail? ”

“ Anyone who participated in setting fires alight should be arrested on the spot. Israel does not look so attractive to us in the diaspora when we see things like this. What are they protesting about? why don't they get invovled and help the abused children instead of jumping up and down about a mentally unstable mother? Heaven help us all !!!! ”

“ From what I understand, the police have video of her seriously hurting her child. I would be embarassed to stick up for such a piece of trash. I think the police should threaten to release the video to the press if the protests don't stop.

By the way, what is the name of this poor excuse of a mother? Let's expose her for all to see. ”

“ The Israeli Government is guilty!!! Because in the minute they stop the social service - betuach leumi- they would be busy supporting their family. Why do they destroy a country who provide them food and security? In every civilised country would the government feel an obligation for kids not to be abused - even by the parents. So please stop the stupidity. ”

“ Whatever the rights and wrongs of this particular case, it is pathetic to see so many people jumping on the old 'get jobs/join the army/become zionists' bandwagon. Firstly the vast majority of Toldos Aharon DO have jobs - they are not typical kollel litvaks - and secondly they protest because they are simply opposed to the tzionim controlling them, not because of boredom or the fact that they do not play baseball!! ”

“ next time these guys come to your house to collect money just say no I dont give to people who act like animals.If enough people do this the rioting will cease. These people will understand they will not get a cent they will stop. ”

“ Its amazing how u side so quickly with the israeli police known for their cruelty and not with a yerushalmi woman known for their love and kindness.
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“ And why is "the woman will be released tomorrow."????? Because these "leidigyers" burned garbage bins?? Because they're acting like animals??? I don't understand where the Rabbanim are??? Stop the nonsense!!! Play some ball, Play soccer, Play Baseball. Have fun!! BUT NOT THIS!!! PLEASE STOP ALREADY! ”

“ next time these guys come to your house to collect money just say no I dont give to people who act like animals.If enough people do this the rioting will cease. These people will understand they will not get a cent they will stop. ”

“ - some (not to say a lot) of chareidim, especially members of Eidas Hachareidis and especially Neturei Karta the most opposed to zionism, will never get any help from the government, so don't worry about this !

- I think that's maybe why they are so against this arrest, because they hate zionist-israeli police

- I just feel completely sad and shocked to see that ultra-orthodox are going WRONG, they have totally lost their mind, this isn't their business, and I'd say they should be happy that people are taking care of this poor child, if she's sentenced guilty she'll have what she deserves. Being a members of her sect don't legitimate their actions.

They should pray that the kid is in better shape and health and that justice will be done about his/her abusive mother. If she's ill, then she'll need help too. No one can pretend it doesn't exist, like domestic violence or molestation, there is too many unsaid things, hidden things, just to protect some people of the community. This has to STOP.

I truly wish, they will stop being donkeys and stop given chareidim a bad name.
Too much protestations in a very short time, is it going to end like a civil war ? ”

“ Nobody is forcing you to give Tzedaka, don't use this as an excuse. Not all people collecting money are rioters maybe none. As a matter of fact a few of the arrested by the last riots were american students ”

“ She is a yerushalmi woman who is "known" as having a serious mental disease and she was starving her child to death. No matter what you think of the police, they had every right to step in here and seek help for this child.

As for the chareidim.... I think the government should determine the cost of all the damage and the cost of the riot police and DEDUCT that amount from what they give to the chareidi yeshivos and social services. I bet the riots will stop then! ”

“ I don't get it. The Brazilian Government is extraditing this Charedi Man that has brutalized and sexually abused several kids. Abuse unfortunately exists - like in every country, culture and denomination - amongst the cheradim, both, in the US and in Israel. Being a Frum person doesn't automatically exonerate you. If the police are holding a woman on charges of such, or even for investigation, they are doing so to protect the kids, the community and perhaps your kids too.

If this woman is innocent, she'll prevail in the court of law. Protesting against the Police, only encourages abusers and pedophiles to continue with comfort to inflict harm on our kids. It's wrong.

You should learn some Uvois. I'll translate in English. "If not for fear of a higher authority ( the police or government) one would swallow their friend alive". Meaning, if there is no fear of being caught and of judgment day, mayhem would rule this world.

Don't even give me the BS that this woman was held for she is a charedi or that the police are Nazi's. I agree they don't like us, but think about my points from above. Better, think of your family and children.

Good night. ”

“ She is a yerushalmi woman who is "known" as having a serious mental disease and she was starving her child to death. No matter what you think of the police, they had every right to step in here and seek help for this child.

As for the chareidim.... I think the government should determine the cost of all the damage and the cost of the riot police and DEDUCT that amount from what they give to the chareidi yeshivos and social services. I bet the riots will stop then! ”

“ Good people. If you read my post above, you will see that I am horrified by these protests.

But, though I have voiced strong words against the actions of the protesters, I believe they are good people too. Just like you or me.

Did you ever live or work in a situation which tried not only your patience on a 24-7 basis, but put your very existence in jeopardy continuously?
The Chareidi people in Israel are, and have been in such a situation for a long time. They are being harrassed 24-7 by Jewish anti-semites who have been brainwashed to hate Chareidim. They place TV and Media reporters with camera all over the Chareidi neighborhoods, and any "photo opportunity" of the slightest thing will be on the news and used to further the agenda of getting everyone else to hate them. This is not paranoia. This is how it is.
Have you tried living like that?
These people live in a country, where certain powers that be want to put any obtacle in the way of their continued observance.
Have you tried living like that?
These people live in an environment where their neighbors are also Jewish, and therefore think THEY should be able to tell them what is appropriate and what is not. These fellow Jews range from atheists to fellow Orthodox Jews. Each one has his own idea of what it means to be a good Jew, and wants to put those ideas on the Chareidim as "limits" to their observance. Some of you are actually getting annoyed at me for saying this, while you are reading it. You see what I mean?
We are not necessarily talking bad people vs good people. We are talking good people vs other good people.

Orthodox people who believe payus 1/4" long are okay, and you do have reliable rabbonim to rely on for that, are "embarrassed" by us whose payus are 18" long.
Don't feel bad. Some chassidim whose payus are 9" long criticise those whose payus are 18" long ....

We are a people too preoccupied with what the other does. We are not only being each other's keeper, but each other's controller.... or trying to be.

Oh... BOTH sides have good arguments, and I do not wish to sucked into the details.

But, the Chareidim in Israel are the only ones who have undergone situations which make them contantly fear the loss of their ability to practice Judaism the way they believe is right. They fear being limited by well-intentioned people who think they are going too far. They fear being limited by non-so-well-intentions people who want to eliminate all observance, and are starting with the Chareidim, as they can get most of the population to support moves against the Chareidim.
Think of how these Chareidim feel?
You, each and every one of you, and me included, has an opinion on what we should do as Jews. We believe we know "the right way" and want the right to practice Judaism our way.
But only the Chareidim feel they are losing that right.

All debates aside, can you imagine what it is like to live like that?

We are good people.
You are good people.

They have some genuine gripes which should not be poo pooed and ignored. Pointing at what they may do wrong, making fun of other things you don't like about them, does not invalidate their good arguments.

Also, please avoid lumping them all together into negative stereotypes. You don't like it when people do it to you; do you?

Calling them names is not the way to behave.

Try to understand their side. Try to walk in their shoes.
You all want them to stop preaching their "chumras" at you.... but you don't stop preaching your prejudices at them.

Try this. Read up on Kent State and other protests and riots here in the US. Those people were not "brainwashed, uneducated, unemploed, imporverished extremists with nothing better in life...." These were highly educated college students and professors getting caught up trying to "do their share" to fight "for the right cause."

These protesters, the vast majority, ARE educated, ARE NOT poor, ... but are good people who also got caught up trying to "do their share" to fight "for the right cause."

Sure, their "trigger point" may be easer to reach because of the way they have to live. They actually do live feeling they are unloved by their neighbors, unwanted by their fellow countrymen, and find themselvs living under a magnifying glass. How would you do with those tests?

I wrote above that I was horrified by all these protests. But that is because I know they are good people and am embarrassed they are doing this. I do not put THEM down, only these behaviors. ”

“ And as usual you always automatically assume the secular media to be reporting the facts as is, and the charedim to be making up stories, shut up already with your anti-charedi venom and go spout it on ynet and the other sites made for it.
I think I can safely assume PMO stands for Progressive Modern Orthodox. ”

“ Not true! They don't take help for public education like yeshiva's, but 90% of them are taking welfare - betuach-leumi. ”

“ As usual, some Anonymous fool will put words in my mouth.

They have her on camera removing the feeding tube. If I had you on camera shooting someone in the head, would you not expect to be arrested? Even if there were extenuating circumstances (like that she has a mental disease) that are not seen on the recording... you would still be arrested, and given the opportunity in court to prove your innocence, or prove your disease made you do it. That is how the justice system works.

Secondly, what "anti-chareidi" venom do I spew? Am I suddenly self-hating? This has nothing to do with chareidim. It has to do with a small number of people who act like nothing more than Hamas ANIMALS... who set fires and endanger people's lives. I don't care if they are chareidim or Buddhists. If you go around setting fires in the streets, or in this case, risk people's lives by setting a building on fire.... you should have to pay.

For whatever reason, the violent extremists are not reigned in by the rebbaim around them. The only way to stop these animals is to start forcing the community to take some responsibility for them. Hitting the pocketbook (as opposed to just arresting everyone) is a peaceful way to accomplish that goal. Perhaps some violent street thug in chareidi clothing will think twice about setting a building on fire if he knows that the community will be docked the money to cover the cost.

Just because I am willing to admit that there are SOME people within our community who act like Hamas dogs does not mean that I am somehow self-hating. It means I am looking at things HONESTLY. People like this Mr. Anonymous who think chareidim can do no wrong live in a fantasy world that most people can only reach with the right dose of psychedelic drugs.

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“ As usual, some Anonymous fool will put words in my mouth.

They have her on camera removing the feeding tube. If I had you on camera shooting someone in the head, would you not expect to be arrested? Even if there were extenuating circumstances (like that she has a mental disease) that are not seen on the recording... you would still be arrested, and given the opportunity in court to prove your innocence, or prove your disease made you do it. That is how the justice system works.

Secondly, what "anti-chareidi" venom do I spew? Am I suddenly self-hating? This has nothing to do with chareidim. It has to do with a small number of people who act like nothing more than Hamas ANIMALS... who set fires and endanger people's lives. I don't care if they are chareidim or Buddhists. If you go around setting fires in the streets, or in this case, risk people's lives by setting a building on fire.... you should have to pay.

For whatever reason, the violent extremists are not reigned in by the rebbaim around them. The only way to stop these animals is to start forcing the community to take some responsibility for them. Hitting the pocketbook (as opposed to just arresting everyone) is a peaceful way to accomplish that goal. Perhaps some violent street thug in chareidi clothing will think twice about setting a building on fire if he knows that the community will be docked the money to cover the cost.

Just because I am willing to admit that there are SOME people within our community who act like Hamas dogs does not mean that I am somehow self-hating. It means I am looking at things HONESTLY. People like this Mr. Anonymous who think chareidim can do no wrong live in a fantasy world that most people can only reach with the right dose of psychedelic drugs.

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“ God bless this protesters they are doing for another jew what they need to do ”

“ If those who botched up here are trying to cover up for their mistake, it is not beneath them to make up a story about removing a feeding tube. Even if a feeding tube was removed, who says it was deliberate? Who says its intention was malicious? Remember there is a father here too; is he also suffering from that same "proxy" disease? There are neighbors and family here too; are they also suffering from that “proxy” disease?

I also think that these protests are wrong and burning garbage dumpsters is plain ol stupid. BUT stop and think, and PUT yourself in their shoes for a moment. What would you do if your wife, sister, or mother were arrested like this on the street like a common criminal? Have you ever seen how the Israeli police arrest someone? I have, and THAT you can really call “animal” behavior, unbecoming for a civilized people. Calling your pious brothers “animals” is wrong; calling your pious brothers “Hamas”, is wrong, wrong, wrong.

I recommend you get yourself a Moreh Derech, who will explain to you the idiosyncrasies of Judaism. Not everything that smells is rotten, and not everything that glitters is gold.

They may be wrong with their NK philosophy, they may be wrong in protesting in this fashion, but they are most likely right in coming out to her defense. It is wrong for us to judge them without knowing the full story, and newspapers are considered false witnesses. There is no such thing as an objective newspaper.

Give her the benefit of the doubt so that the Ribbonoi Shel Oilom should treat you likewise. I know it’s hard, but train yourself to do it. The Mishnah in Ovois says that: Hevei Don Ess Kol Ho’odom Lekaf Zechus. Search out the positive, and you will find it, not the negative, which you will also find it. ”

“ "They have her on camera removing the feeding tube" that is exactly my point. Have you seen the video? Who says it exists? Because ynet says so? She has a completely different version, so its her word against theirs. Yet you automatically believe them bec yes you are self hating and like to show everyone how "honest" you are, just like the self hating jews who decry the israeli "cruelty" of the arabs bec they are "honest".
"People like this Mr. Anonymous who think chareidim can do no wrong" now who's the fool putting words into someone else's mouth. Where exactly in my words do you see that? Did I even mention the rioters? This woman may have done no wrong, but you automatically assume she did bec you are "honest". This is not even a case of don lekaf zechus which is when one actually sees someone doing something wrong but must judge it favorably, here you have not seen anything at all.
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