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    Jerusalem – Rabbanit? Rabbah? Maybe just plain Rabbi? What should be the title of an Orthodox woman who happens to also be a rabbi?

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    Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of women who took part in a conference Monday organized by Kolech, an Orthodox feminist movement, were asked precisely that question.

    The vote is a milestone. The very fact that women self-defined as committed to Orthodox Jewish law are deliberating the proper title for a female rabbi – the most powerful figure in the traditional Jewish hierarchy – is proof that the Orthodox feminist movement has come a long way since it first began women’s prayer groups and Torah and Megillah readings in Israel over three decades ago.

    “I’d estimate that within five years, we will be seeing women making groundbreaking decisions on Halacha,” predicted Dr. Chana Kehat, a former chairwoman of Kolech and an Israeli trailblazer in a movement previously dominated by Americans but now spreading to a wider range of Orthodox Israeli women – both Ashkenazi and Sephardi.

    “It will take a few more years for people to get used to the idea,” Kehat added, “but it will happen soon.”

    Video below from the conference – Courtesy of The Jerusalem Post

    The excitement was palpable as women with hair coverings of various sizes, shapes and styles, dressed in long sleeves and short sleeves, wearing slacks, skirts and dresses, packed into the sessions offered throughout the day and thronged the hallways and classrooms of Jerusalem’s Keshet school.

    The afternoon Mincha prayer organized by the few men who came to the conference included a handful of women standing at the back of the classroom-turned-prayer-house. These women represented just a tiny fraction of the many hundreds who relaxed in the main hall during the lunch break. At the end of the prayer, three of the women joined a man in reciting the mourner’s Kaddish.

    Though uncommon in most modern Orthodox circles, women’s participation in prayer sessions – including the reciting of the Kaddish along with men – is within the boundaries of Orthodox Halacha.

    Nor was there an atmosphere of feminist revolution – no burning of head coverings or skirts, à la the bra-burning rallies that supposedly marked 1960s American feminism. And women came with infants slung across their stomachs or strapped into strollers, which immediately raised the question: Where is dad? Answer: Infant-free at work. Not exactly radical feminism in action.

    Nevertheless, in the weeks that led up to the conference, several religious Zionist rabbis launched an attack on what they called “neo-reformers” that included Kolech, comparing them to the German Jewish Reform Movement of the 19th century.

    In fact, the conference, entitled “The Woman and Her Judaism,” was conducted under the shadow of these allegations that Kolech was a “neo-Reform” organization. In many of the sessions, speakers referred to themselves tongue-in-cheek as “proud neo-reformers,” convinced that any changes in practice or approach could be fully justified in Orthodox Jewish law.

    Rabbi Yehoshua Shapira, head of the Ramat Gan Hesder Yeshiva and one of several religious Zionist rabbis who lean toward a quasi-haredi approach to Orthodoxy, was perhaps the most prominent figure to attack changes in Jewish tradition. In a speech before members of the Bnei Akiva youth movement that took place several weeks ago and that received media coverage last week, Shapira was recorded as saying that this “neo-Reform” in Orthodoxy was motivated by two factors – romantic notions and undermining the limits of Halacha.

    Shapira specifically mentioned as a type of “neo-Reform” Bnei Akiva’s coed educational policy. But he also attacked the activities of Kolech, which he claimed gave legitimacy to “birth without marriage.”

    Shapira was referring to Kolech’s support for artificial insemination for women who have remained single until late in life and whose biological clocks are signaling the end of fertility.

    One can only imagine what Shapira or other conservative-minded religious Zionist rabbis would have thought of the call during the conference by Malka Puterkovsky, a noted female Torah scholar and teacher at Midreshet Lindenbaum (Beruria), to allow married women to use birth control more freely, and her rejection of the trend in religious Zionist circles to marry early and bear many children.

    Shapira warned in his speech that members of Kolech were misleading because they were often “more scrupulous about their adherence to mitzvot than their opponents.” But, he added, these reformers “undermine the Godliness of the Torah and its continuity today, both of which are based on contemporary rabbinic authority.”

    Rachel Keren, Kolech’s chairwoman, said that Monday’s conference was probably the motivation for various comments by Shapira and other rabbis, such as Technion Rabbi Dr. Eliyahu Rachamim Zini.

    “The Kolech conference raises many issues that demonstrate so clearly the need for change in the Orthodox world,” said Keren. “One of these issues is leadership. Suggesting that women can also be spiritual and community leaders undermines the existing hierarchies and frameworks.

    “But,” she added, “Kolech also breaks other taboos, such as our demand to confront domestic sexual abuse and fight denial of this phenomenon. And for many rabbis, this is not easy to accept.”

    The confrontation between Orthodox feminists and the rabbinical establishment has escalated in recent years as the increasing integration of women into serious Torah scholarship programs, senior community leadership positions, and more involvement in the synagogue has sparked a reaction among more traditional-minded rabbis.

    But the vying sides are not necessarily drawn along gender lines. Rabbis, who in the present context need to be defined as “male,” as opposed to female, spoke at the conference as well.

    Rabbi Yoel Bin-Nun of the Gush Etzion Yeshiva spoke in favor of transferring more authority to female spiritual leaders.

    Rabbi Benny Lau, head of the Center for Judaism and Society and the Institute for Social Justice at Beit Morasha, talked about how gender segregation and messages in traditional Jewish texts that were not explained properly had a negative impact on young men’s perception of women.

    “The female image is often portrayed as demonic, a source of sin, of prohibition – ideas which are in many ways Christian and foreign to Judaism,” said Lau.

    But perhaps the most controversial talk was given by Rabbi Yehuda Gilad of the Religious Kibbutz Movement’s yeshiva in Ma’aleh Gilboa, who said that ordination of female rabbis was inevitable and that women had a special contribution to make to the development of Halacha.

    “Obviously, in intimate areas such as laws dealing with family purity, women are much better suited to make halachic decisions,” said Gilad, who spoke with The Jerusalem Post a day after the conference by phone. “But women can also bring more empathy and understanding to fertility issues. As a man, I can never understand a woman’s need to bring into the world a child of her own.”

    Gilad said that since women were unfettered by male prejudices, they were in a special position to issue novel halachic decisions.

    “But there are also dangers,” he said. “For instance, if women become rabbis out of a desire to prove something or out of an angry desire to right past wrongs, they are liable to distort justice. There is also the phenomenon of being overly cautious. Women might end up being more conservative than men.”

    In the vote for the title of female rabbis, participants were given seven options which included also hachama (sage), talmidat hachamim (a student of sages) and maharat (an abbreviated form of Halacha teacher and Torah rabbi).The voting results will be revealed Wednesday.

    Safed Chief Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu, considered more haredi in his approach and known to be opposed to feminism, said in response to the vote that “if women’s motivation is truly pure, then they should be encouraged to learn Halacha and be able to answer questions that come up. But if this is an attempt to attack the rabbinic establishment, then the initiative should be strongly opposed.”

    Asked if he would support women as chief rabbis of cities, Eliyahu – the son of former chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu – answered that the public should be allowed to decide.

    “But how many female prime ministers have we had?” he asked. “How many female chiefs of General Staff have we had? Why has there not been a feminist initiative to appoint a woman to the post of chief of General Staff?”


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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Geferlich!

    MesoraYid
    MesoraYid
    14 years ago

    Kolech? Sounds more like Molech.

    Chaim S.
    Chaim S.
    14 years ago

    One of the problems with these types of conventions looking to “amend” yiddishkeit to serve an agenda is that they generally don’t look to the past or even the present for guidance. The most prevalent area of female halacha and teaching is obviously in the Bais Yakov education system around the world. The majority of teachers are women, quite learned women too. How many men can compare to Rebbetzin David of BY Yerushalayim? Her title is Rebbetzin. Every Bais Yakov gives the title Rebbetzin to the married yiddishkeit teachers whether their husbands are actually practicing rabbonim or roshie yeshivos or not at all. There’s no halachic reason why a woman can’t function as the director of an education program in an Orthodox shul with the title Rebbetzin, even if her husband is a lawyer. Why look for new modernish titles when we already have a perfectly useful title? Why change the machine if it’s nor broken?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Kudos to Rav Yehuda Gilad and Ra v Yoel Bin-Nun for taking such a bold and progressive view of the role of women in orthodox jewish life. There will be the usual chorus of male posters within an hour shrieking “gevalt”, “apikorsus” etc. but we have learned to ignore these protests since we have seen the future lies in a much greater degree of female involvement in yiddishkeit. This is a real kiddush hashem and not the vision of armageddon some dark and backward looking men would have us believe is what hashem wanted.

    berel
    berel
    14 years ago

    orthodox and femminism are contradictory

    Yoelish
    Yoelish
    14 years ago

    Not in our camp, this aint.

    Rabbanit
    Rabbanit
    14 years ago

    Rabbit!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    You can have 9 men and 1,000,000 women in a room and you still don’t have a minyan. You can’t change that. This is the way god wants it. Don’t try reforming our religion under the title Orthodox.

    Yehuda
    Yehuda
    14 years ago

    I’m torn because I believe in women being treated with respect and civility but do they have to take over the shul and the area that has been traditionally the men’s domain? Also, I’m in favor of equal treatment of women in terms of civil rights and in the workplace, equal pay for equal work, but can’t the shul stay traditionally as a primarily men’s place. If the women take over the shul, the men are going to want to leave, and where should they go, to the bar. I don’t know, I like women but I also like the separation with respect to shul, halacha. I’m in favor of leaving this issue alone and not tearing down this sacred barrier.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    its about time. This is wonderful news.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Who gets Sheeshi.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    If its feminist it aint orthodox & if its orthodox in aint feminist

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    “Shapira was referring to Kolech’s support for artificial insemination for women who have remained single until late in life and whose biological clocks are signaling the end of fertility.”

    This is crazy. What is wrong with marriage? Imo every child should have a father. Men should have the chance to become a father. It is a mitzvah. The woman should get married first, then use artificial insemination if it is necessary.

    Orthodox female rabbis? Why is there a need for that? Why shouldn’t women focus on doing what men can’t do, which is giving birth to children? Perhaps society isn’t placing enough importance on this.

    “”But how many female prime ministers have we had?” “
    How many male mothers have we had? 🙂

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    how about REBBETZIN

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Kolech is as orthdox as bernie maadoff!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I just forwarded this to my daughter in EY who is very much involved in this effort to expand the role of women in jewish life while staying close to orthodox traditions. There will be those who draw an absolute line based on their reading or daas torah and halacha to say it is an abomination etc. and no different than reform judaism or is simply not acceptable but we have seen that view decline in significance. Just look at the number of women taking leadership roles in shuls in the U.S. and even in EY and you will understand. No one is forcing this on anyone and I don’t expect to see a woman getting smicha from any of the frumme yeshivot in my lifetime.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    better than the briooklyn yeshivishe velt that has to keep making new agencies every week for turning off their own “youth at risk”

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Boruch Hashem they are working to make yidishkeit so beautiful.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    perhaps one more choice on the menu should have been Rabbit.

    on a more serious note has anyone asked our conventional sages what their opinion of this movement is?
    has there been something wrong with the way things were till now, that this is a cause to join.
    what is wrong with knowledgable women…. will they soon need to have their own shuls and hecsherim their own set of dishes their own homes…..
    whats the point why cant it be the way it was?
    if it isnt broken dont fix it…
    or as the gemara that they learn states “kol hameshaneh yodo al hatachtonah”.

    first explain the agenda why what when where how…. and then …..

    trying to understand
    trying to understand
    14 years ago

    When G-d created the world, he could have created us as a single gender society, but he didn’t. For some reason G-d saw a necessity to create 2 separate being, each with its own individuality, in order to accomplish different tasks. I know that there is often debate as to what these different tasks may be, but it just seems to me that the border is getting very hazzy. I am sure sooner then later there will be no seperation at all. When there are no definate lines, there tends to be a break down in society.
    If women can do all that men can do what is the real need for a man? Just take a look at how the father figure is deppicted in any movie or T.V. show, more often then not he is the dumby,loser, good for nothing. I wonder if that doesn’t extend from the fact that, indeed that is how we view men as good for nothings.
    Please people let men be men and women be women. Too many men try to be women and visa versa. Thats not the way G-d created us.
    please respond i am interested in others perspective.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Rabbi Moshe Feinstein has a Teshuva about all this, talks about Women Liberation. He explains that women are not second class in judaism it’s just that everyone has their duty and even writes that women don’t need to do the Mitzvos men have to because they’re good without it. Reb Moshe calls these things Haskalah and says it’s prohibited to follow this movement.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Why is it that those who scream feminism always want women to do a man’s job?
    Why do they demean the incredible jobs that belong to women?

    michali
    michali
    14 years ago

    I totally agree. Kolech is another feminist organization run by misguided women who are very insecure with their role in Jewish society. Their movement will fail just like the other -isms of the world have failed.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I would love to see our Rabbonim actually sit down and talk to these women and understand what is going. Why they are do what they are doing. Maybe they are right, amybe they are not. My gut feeling is that it’s not appropriate, but I’d like to see the discussion.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I don’t get it. Why are they trying to be like men. They should be happy to be home making a nice home and raising children.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I am not a feminist like those women however when my parents passed away, I did say kaddish. There is no written law against a woman saying kaddish. My cousin said kaddish for both her parents for a year and so did I.

    Rebetsin
    Rebetsin
    14 years ago

    What was wrong with Rebetsen?

    Babishka
    Member
    Babishka
    14 years ago

    These feministas compare themselves to Rashi’s daughters, Bnos Tzelafchad, and Devora Ha’nevia but never to our holy mothers Sarah, Rivka, Rochel and Leah. What’s more they conveniently forget that Rashi’s daughter’s all married talmidei chachamim, they did not establish their own yeshivos, Bnos Tzelafchad accepted the psak of Moshe Rabbenu, and Devora refused to ride into battle with Barak because it wasn’t tznius.

    Rivka Holtzberg never put on tefillin or layned from the bimah, but she (and every other Chabad shlucha) did more for Hashem and Yiddishkeit than this whole knessiya of chattering elites.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    In some ways its a a very simple, profound issue. We call it the Yetzer Hora, but what we’re really fighting is the fact that humanity’s biological purpose is the acquisition of skills and knowledge, adaptation to changing external conditions, experimentation and change. Regardless whether these new ideas are good or bad, whether they advance mankind or diminish it, this is the driver of human existence.

    Dass Torah stands largely in opposition to all that. It is a hard lonely road to plough, defending G-d’s unchanging word in a world hard wired for the next big thing. If you wonder why vast numbers of kids go off the derech — its because we are competing with the human lifeforce itself and in an interconnected world, trying to scare them off from attending a feminist conference, a music concert or a movie with demonstrably false claims that it’s “neo-reform” or will lead to drug use or pornography only serves to isolate us more from our children.

    Getzel the Pretzel
    Getzel the Pretzel
    14 years ago

    Every now and then these unfortunate wayward souls try to make noise. The gemara in Eruvin tells us eilu v’eilu. Tosfos rabeinu Peretz explains that Moshe Rabeinu heard both sides on Har Sinai, even though the halachah is only like one. Therefore, to claim eilu v’eilu, one must have a mesorah going back to Moshe Rabbeinu. These unfortunates do not have such a mesorah and that is why what they are doing is irrelevant.

    #30- How do you know? I hope you did not get this information by asking the Kolech people.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Jerusalem – Rabbanit? Rabbah? Maybe just plain Rabbi? What should be the title of an Orthodox woman who happens to also be a rabbi?

    “Rebbetzin”

    Learned woman have allways been a tremendous asset to Jewish life and education.
    A true learned woman that is a Yiras Shomayim would not want to be or need to be called Rabbi. The comparison of these feminists to The Amois, Bnos Tzelofchod is completly absurd.
    These femists are destroying the higher connection that Jewish woman have with Hashem Yisborach.

    Edah Hacharedis
    Edah Hacharedis
    14 years ago

    I am so proud that the niece of the Raavad of the Edah Hacheredis gave us this wonderful organization, Kolech. Everyone, a round of applause for the Fisher family!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Men want to be women and women want to be men, what a meshuga world we live in!

    a smart "neck"
    a smart "neck"
    14 years ago

    these women are undermining the traditional role of rebbetzin. there is no need to make up a silly women’s movement. women have as much power as men within yiddishkeit, they just have to know how to use it. remember, the man is the head but the woman is the neck…

    women, be smart!

    Groningen
    Groningen
    14 years ago

    The naming issue is a bit more complex I gather, I mean “Rebbetzin”, like “Queen” could easily cover both the wife of a man with the honored function and woman who has the function herself, but what would one use that if one tries to indicate or adress a Sephardic woman, member in good standing and all, even if her smichha is progressive? Rebbetzin does not seem to belong to the traditions she grew up with or has chosen…

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    What some are missing here is what I consider a key point.
    In discussion here is OUR feelings, THEIR feelings, REASONS, arguments, debates, etc.,

    We don’t perform mitzvohs or do commandments because they are the right thing to do.
    We don’t perform mitzvohs or do commandments because they make us feel good.
    We don’t perform mitzvohs or do commandments because they make others feel good.

    WE DO IT ALL BECAUSE G-D TOLD US TO.

    That means we have to do everything HIS way, as taught to use by our rabbonim, and handed down to us in the Shulchan Aruch.

    We do the mitzvohs which we can not imagine any sane reason for, with the same enthusiasm as those we understand. Actually with more. When I refrain from stealing, I know why I am doing it. And I know it is immoral. That makes it easier for me to fight the yetzer horan.

    But, when my wife returns a suit because we found Shatnez in it. And, I am know she has the perfect $1,200 suit that she found for $400, and looks great in it, but she can’t wear it because in has a mixture of the wrong fabrics woven into it…. That makes me feel even better because it is a sign of my pure obedience. No logic there. No emotions in Shatnez. Just obedience.

    Out existence on the planet in many ways is to purify ourselves through the kiln of obedience.

    “REFORMING” our religion or our ways, customs, traditions to make it all fit our feelings is the opposite of it all.

    Sorry, I will not debate the minutae of each detail, whether or not a woman can do it. It is not relevant. The very fact that is is a total disposal with the concept of our obedience makes me oppose it strongly.

    The women SHOULD have more of a voice. The concept of “kolaich” being the voice of the frum women is great. But leaving the traditional roles is a form of lo silbash gever.

    Just as we are not supposed to dress like the other gender, so we should not be taking their role (excepting for emergencies, etc.)

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    To #49 Nobody asked if I had any male relatives. Everybody on VIN makes assumptions! Bad habit. Yes I could have paid for it to be said. There is nothing wrong with me and the men answer when I come! That should close the topic!

    esther
    esther
    14 years ago

    shame on rabbi eliyahu for saying that whether or not a woman rabbi could be a citie’s chief rabbi is up to individual communities!take a stand for goodness sake.this movement has some valid points ie the agunah issue and dealing with spousal abuse.however why do they want to be like men?what is the motivation,kovod and power?a secure jewish women knows we are the foundation of the home and therefor of klal yiroeland tzinus is our crown.as a side note,reform has found that the majority of it’s women rabbi’s ,once they have children,cut back on their hours or leave their job as rabbi all together-someone has to raise the kids even though modern society says it’s not important or glamorous.

    David
    David
    14 years ago

    As far as I know, one becomes a rabbi by virtue of studying halakha, learning, and, ultimately, demonstrating one’s knowledge. It’s not a magical position conferred by Hashem; it’s a distinction conferred on those whose work and study merit the title. So, if a woman can pass a test on Shulkhan Arukh, why not accord her the same distinction she’d get if she passed the test and had male genitalia?

    Masculinist
    Masculinist
    14 years ago

    …and please tell me what to call a female doctor, maybe…DocTorah? Women can get aliyos, per mishna in Megilah, but the minhag is not due to kovod hatzibur. Certainly if the rov is a woman there would be no issue to give her shishi, however maftir may be a problem – kol isha. But all kidding aside, chazel tell us melech v’lo malkah, and we derive not to place shrora on a female (but they were male chazal!).

    kol kevudah bas melech penima
    kol kevudah bas melech penima
    14 years ago

    Just like the founding father of reform wore their taleisim over their heads, these founding mothers of this neo-reform organization wear shaitels and tichels.

    The concern is not where they are now, but which direction they are going, and in my humble opinion it is the same direction Korach went.

    Hashem Yishmor!

    REBETZIN
    REBETZIN
    14 years ago

    REBETZIN is too frum

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    we had in the past rashi’s daughter who put on tephillin daily! Rebbitzin menucha rochel in chevron ….whats the problem?

    kachka
    kachka
    14 years ago

    feminism is the #1 reason for shalom bayis problems!!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    If the picture is any indication, these women should learn hilchos ervah and hilchos tzniyus. It seems that feminism and lack of modesty gohand-and-hand.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I was wondering why it is ok for women to work full time outside the home in order to support her husband when it is clearly the obligation of the husband to support his wife. You can’t have it both ways. If a woman has to do a man’s job (making the parnassa) then you wonder why some want the rest of it. If you want women happy at home having babies you have to support them. They can’t be working, taking care of the house, having babies and everything all on her shoulders. There is a breakdown of the Torah’s ideal family and it is not in the women becoming Rabbis, it is in the expectation of the wife to be the breadwinner and also do all the traditional women’s roles. She can’t do it all. The far right as already blurred the lines and then they wonder?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    how can any orthodox jew say women should make halachic decisions, the gemara clearly says that nashim daatan kalos. does the movment have the backing of any accepted gadol, or just a few small fries? let them present their case before r’elyashiv, see what he’ll say. if they don’t want to ask daas torah & they only want to find a hechsher, like they say in the food business- for the right price……. I’ve never heard of any of their backing rabbonim & I don’t mean to slight them, but why don’t they consult our gedolim, I would like to think they would agree this is an issue that needs daas torah.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    To #66 Thank you very much for your understanding. The people on these blogs do not know me or the kind of family I come from. If they did they might even be surprised or shocked, and I am afraid that the hairs from their beards will fall out. I probably come from a more religious home than they do. To the point of not taking pictures. What does that say for them? I bet they have cameras on their cellphones ! do not!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    # 8- I agreed with what you said till you wrote “”But how many female prime ministers have we had?” “How many male mothers have we had?. You are comparing 2 things that have nothing to do with each other. Men cannot be mothers, woman can be prime ministers!
    # 24- why on earth does having babies have to do with a narrow and simplistic view?? I’m a woman, and I’m a big believer in woman’s rights and woman should never be treated as if they were lower than men… but I also believe that g-d did create men and woman with different jobs. If G-d decided we should do different jobs than obviously it is for the best. Hashem only does things for our benefit. Woman were created to have children, and raise them. Men are supposed to work hard and bring in the money for it. What is wrong with that??
    # 21- actually you got it wrong. The effects a woman can have when she davvens herself, a man can ONLY have when he davvens with a minyan. So woman are actually on a higher level than men.
    #22- the way you that makes it look like you believe men are greater than woman. When men talk that, that is what makes woman feel like they should also have the privalge of davening with a minyan. I think you should rephrase what you said. How about saying, woman do not need to davven in a minyan because over their greatness.

    tichtig
    tichtig
    14 years ago

    the movement is tomiey k’nidda we need harchakos to keep away from them