“ Where is the documents? It's a civilised hospital no? Let them show the medical records to a judge. I don't see what's the dispute. ”

“ Where is the documents? It's a civilised hospital no? Let them show the medical records to a judge. I don't see what's the dispute. ”

“ All of this is showing us that the Zionist hate the Charadi community and this is a way of painting their feelings. A picture is more than a Thousand words. According to many of our leaders the Zionist movement are the Arev Rav of todays times, so what do you expect of them? ”

“ The fact that the demonstrations are continuing in full force proves the mothers innocents, the demonstrators surly know who this women is and they are expressing their deep feelings of pain for her. I have interviewed many of them and they feel that the mother was accused for something she is 100% clean of, so why should she be jailed if she has done """nothing""" wrong. ”

“ All of this is showing us that the Zionist hate the Charadi community and this is a way of painting their feelings. A picture is more than a Thousand words. According to many of our leaders the Zionist movement are the Arev Rav of todays times, so what do you expect of them? ”

“ Masmid! We need to know the truth. Let's assume that the argument was in the USA, everybody would know that best way to verify is by a judge. ”

“ It really doesn't matter what actually happened with this mother and her child or how she is being treated. The problem is the out of control protests. The damage and Chillul Hashem they are causing is unbelievable. How could someone who claims to believe in Hashem Torah do things like this. There was no bus service in the city today. My whole neighborhood had to walk to the Mir. These people are causing tremendous Bitul Torah. Seder was empty today for the first couple hours. On my walk to the Mir I passed the intersection of Bar-Ilan and Shmuel Hanavi one of the busiest in the city. I have never seen anything like this in my life. There were burning garbage dumpsters blocking every direction. The traffic lights were desroyed as well the electric boxes that control them. The bricks from the sidewalk were taken apart, while the metal barriers were ripped out of the concrete. It looked like a war zone. The people who did this don't learn the same Torah that I do. There is never an excuse to be Mazik someone else. It doesn't make a diffrence what your cause is. Their reckless actions are affecting innocent people who have nothing to do with their supposed cause. There is no Kaporah for things that are Bein Adam Lchavero besides for Mechila. For the few of these rioters that do spend some time in jail it is going to be nothing compared to what will happen to them when they are eventually judged in the Bes Din Shel Malah. We must all proclaim as a Tzibur that these people don't represent us or are Torah. ”

“ “The fact that the demonstrations are continuing in full force proves the mothers innocents,"

I am not sure that continuing to riot proves anyone's innocence. One thing I am sure, that the rioting paints a very bad picture about chareidim. It is very normal to protest, but, rioting? this is clearly a goiyishe way and it is an aveira like every other aveira. If you feel she is innocent, DEMONSTRATE, but, DON'T RIOT. Hkol Kol Yaakov, V'Hayodayim Y'Dei Eisov. ”

“ Why shouldn't the Chareidi community be hated? They contribute nothing but avail themselves of all services of the state on other people's backs. Now they riot, burn, destroy as well. What's to like? ”

“ It really doesn't matter what actually happened with this mother and her child or how she is being treated. The problem is the out of control protests. The damage and Chillul Hashem they are causing is unbelievable. How could someone who claims to believe in Hashem Torah do things like this. There was no bus service in the city today. My whole neighborhood had to walk to the Mir. These people are causing tremendous Bitul Torah. Seder was empty today for the first couple hours. On my walk to the Mir I passed the intersection of Bar-Ilan and Shmuel Hanavi one of the busiest in the city. I have never seen anything like this in my life. There were burning garbage dumpsters blocking every direction. The traffic lights were desroyed as well the electric boxes that control them. The bricks from the sidewalk were taken apart, while the metal barriers were ripped out of the concrete. It looked like a war zone. The people who did this don't learn the same Torah that I do. There is never an excuse to be Mazik someone else. It doesn't make a diffrence what your cause is. Their reckless actions are affecting innocent people who have nothing to do with their supposed cause. There is no Kaporah for things that are Bein Adam Lchavero besides for Mechila. For the few of these rioters that do spend some time in jail it is going to be nothing compared to what will happen to them when they are eventually judged in the Bes Din Shel Malah. We must all proclaim as a Tzibur that these people don't represent us or are Torah. ”

“ It's sweet that this lady is sticking up for her friend, but the line that the feeding tube must have fallen out of the child's mouth because the child was weak makes no sense. I've never heard of a feeding tube that goes in the mouth. Every feeding tube I've ever heard of is either a naso-gastric tube (in the nose then down through the esophagus) or directly into the belly. They can be pulled out, but they don't fall out of someone's mouth. ”

“ “The fact that the demonstrations are continuing in full force proves the mothers innocents,"

I am not sure that continuing to riot proves anyone's innocence. One thing I am sure, that the rioting paints a very bad picture about chareidim. It is very normal to protest, but, rioting? this is clearly a goiyishe way and it is an aveira like every other aveira. If you feel she is innocent, DEMONSTRATE, but, DON'T RIOT. Hkol Kol Yaakov, V'Hayodayim Y'Dei Eisov. ”

“ It's sweet that this lady is sticking up for her friend, but the line that the feeding tube must have fallen out of the child's mouth because the child was weak makes no sense. I've never heard of a feeding tube that goes in the mouth. Every feeding tube I've ever heard of is either a naso-gastric tube (in the nose then down through the esophagus) or directly into the belly. They can be pulled out, but they don't fall out of someone's mouth. ”

“ Mevatlin Divrei Torah Mipnei Pidyon Shviyim ”

“ "Hkol Kol Yaakov, V'Hayodayim Y'Dei Eisov. you are 100% right, but what you are missing is that we are dealing with Eisov and that's the only language that is understood. ”

“ YOU ARE AN AM HAARETZ. Yakov Avinu dealt with Eisov first, L'Doron then L'Tefilah and only then L'Milchama. ”

“ Mevatlin Divrei Torah Mipnei Pidyon Shviyim ”

“ Why burn the garbage bins? Why stone the buses? Why stone the cars?
Why give the chilonim reason to hate the chareidi even more?

The Askonim are busy trying to get funding restored to the Yeshivas. Does anyone think this is going to help? This is just going to make it that much harder!

To the hospital:: Publish the video! ”

“ As a chareidi who lives here in Yerushalayim, all I can say is I am sick and tired of all of their antics! I don't believe a word of this "rebbetzin"- I don't know who she is- I have no reason to believe her. Munchausen syndrome is known to be one that even the closest family members may not be able to detect, so who is a neighbor to tell me whether the woman is sick or not? Hadassah is an extremely reputable hospital,and I speak from my own experiences there, as well. If they say the child never had any malignancy and never received chemotherapy, who is this rebbetzin to dispute it? Does she have a medical degree? Does she know what medications are chemical and which aren't? I have first-hand experience with chemo and I still can't tell you which are and which aren't- except for the specific ones I've dealt with. It is absolutely absurb to say that such an institution and its fine doctors would start a "libel" against this family (as the father has stated in an interview). And I heard what the mainstream media says- on my way to work this morning (2 hours late due to all streets being closed and no public transportation as a result of burning garbage bins- here in the "black belt" of the city) - the reporter said he spoke with chareidim at the scene of the protests, who told him that the majority of chareidim are just as fed up with what is going on here as the seculars. It's a much smaller group of hooligans that are giving us all a bad name. Secular media- for all of us to hear. Chareidim are FED UP. We're fed up with the bad name they're giving us, fed up with the stench of burning garbage and melting plastic, fed up with traffic jams and lack of transportation, fed up with the same old juvenile cries "they're out to get chareidim", and fed up with the thought of the millions of shekels gone to waste on destroyed public property, deployment of police, loss of business to all the local stores, and loss of work in general to all those who could not get to their places of employment thanks to their shenanigans. What a horrible chilul Hashem. What inconsideration of their own "fellow" chareidim and the general public. Ad mosai??? I'm ashamed to say that my only consolation is that there will be a din v'cheshbon for every one of their actions.
I heard the loudspeakers the other nite- "the rabbanim are ordering everybody to GO HOME!" So under whose authority were these protests taking place exactly?? ”

“ I'm sorry but in N.Y. Hospitals they do have feeding tubes thru mouth (they start with that before putting in stomach) ”

“ What damage has been done? Other then the burning of trash-cans. ”

“ As a chareidi who lives here in Yerushalayim, all I can say is I am sick and tired of all of their antics! I don't believe a word of this "rebbetzin"- I don't know who she is- I have no reason to believe her. Munchausen syndrome is known to be one that even the closest family members may not be able to detect, so who is a neighbor to tell me whether the woman is sick or not? Hadassah is an extremely reputable hospital,and I speak from my own experiences there, as well. If they say the child never had any malignancy and never received chemotherapy, who is this rebbetzin to dispute it? Does she have a medical degree? Does she know what medications are chemical and which aren't? I have first-hand experience with chemo and I still can't tell you which are and which aren't- except for the specific ones I've dealt with. It is absolutely absurb to say that such an institution and its fine doctors would start a "libel" against this family (as the father has stated in an interview). And I heard what the mainstream media says- on my way to work this morning (2 hours late due to all streets being closed and no public transportation as a result of burning garbage bins- here in the "black belt" of the city) - the reporter said he spoke with chareidim at the scene of the protests, who told him that the majority of chareidim are just as fed up with what is going on here as the seculars. It's a much smaller group of hooligans that are giving us all a bad name. Secular media- for all of us to hear. Chareidim are FED UP. We're fed up with the bad name they're giving us, fed up with the stench of burning garbage and melting plastic, fed up with traffic jams and lack of transportation, fed up with the same old juvenile cries "they're out to get chareidim", and fed up with the thought of the millions of shekels gone to waste on destroyed public property, deployment of police, loss of business to all the local stores, and loss of work in general to all those who could not get to their places of employment thanks to their shenanigans. What a horrible chilul Hashem. What inconsideration of their own "fellow" chareidim and the general public. Ad mosai??? I'm ashamed to say that my only consolation is that there will be a din v'cheshbon for every one of their actions.
I heard the loudspeakers the other nite- "the rabbanim are ordering everybody to GO HOME!" So under whose authority were these protests taking place exactly?? ”

“ The father of the imprisoned mom accused of suffering from Munchausen Syndrome spoke with Kol Chai Radio on Wednesday night. Following is a synopsis of that interview.

The text reflects the comments of the father, not direct quotes however.

We all know this is being done to discredit the community, that for seven months she has not been at home, not yomim tovim or shabbos, doing everything for the child, to calm him and be with him.

How is it that police and authorities can deny the truth, instead of acknowledging her misirus nefesh on behalf of the child, they now have a libel taking place against my daughter and the chareidi community. A state inquiry must be launched into the incident, beginning with Dr. Acker of Ein Kerem and the director Mickey Weintraub.

They also stationed a policeman at the bed of the bed of the child and now, no one may visit him. ”

“ As a chareidi who lives here in Yerushalayim, all I can say is I am sick and tired of all of their antics! I don't believe a word of this "rebbetzin"- I don't know who she is- I have no reason to believe her. Munchausen syndrome is known to be one that even the closest family members may not be able to detect, so who is a neighbor to tell me whether the woman is sick or not? Hadassah is an extremely reputable hospital,and I speak from my own experiences there, as well. If they say the child never had any malignancy and never received chemotherapy, who is this rebbetzin to dispute it? Does she have a medical degree? Does she know what medications are chemical and which aren't? I have first-hand experience with chemo and I still can't tell you which are and which aren't- except for the specific ones I've dealt with. It is absolutely absurb to say that such an institution and its fine doctors would start a "libel" against this family (as the father has stated in an interview). And I heard what the mainstream media says- on my way to work this morning (2 hours late due to all streets being closed and no public transportation as a result of burning garbage bins- here in the "black belt" of the city) - the reporter said he spoke with chareidim at the scene of the protests, who told him that the majority of chareidim are just as fed up with what is going on here as the seculars. It's a much smaller group of hooligans that are giving us all a bad name. Secular media- for all of us to hear. Chareidim are FED UP. We're fed up with the bad name they're giving us, fed up with the stench of burning garbage and melting plastic, fed up with traffic jams and lack of transportation, fed up with the same old juvenile cries "they're out to get chareidim", and fed up with the thought of the millions of shekels gone to waste on destroyed public property, deployment of police, loss of business to all the local stores, and loss of work in general to all those who could not get to their places of employment thanks to their shenanigans. What a horrible chilul Hashem. What inconsideration of their own "fellow" chareidim and the general public. Ad mosai??? I'm ashamed to say that my only consolation is that there will be a din v'cheshbon for every one of their actions.
I heard the loudspeakers the other nite- "the rabbanim are ordering everybody to GO HOME!" So under whose authority were these protests taking place exactly?? ”

“ As a resident of Israel I spoke to family members of this woman.

they clearly told me that the woman had filed complains against three doctors of Hadasa hospital for diagnosing the child with the wrong sickness and that's when the doctors decided to get back the mother.

I asked what about the video footage of the mother pulling out the tube, they responded that anyone that knows about IV knows that the tube falls out many times especially on a child, there is no evidence that she was not putting it back in that is because they cut the video ”

“ Why shouldn't the Chareidi community be hated? They contribute nothing but avail themselves of all services of the state on other people's backs. Now they riot, burn, destroy as well. What's to like? ”

“ wow- so you are willing to believe a bunch of jew hating people over a chareidi- is the sina so great. ”

“ As a resident of Israel I spoke to family members of this woman.

they clearly told me that the woman had filed complains against three doctors of Hadasa hospital for diagnosing the child with the wrong sickness and that's when the doctors decided to get back the mother.

I asked what about the video footage of the mother pulling out the tube, they responded that anyone that knows about IV knows that the tube falls out many times especially on a child, there is no evidence that she was not putting it back in that is because they cut the video ”

“ As a resident of Israel I spoke to family members of this woman.

they clearly told me that the woman had filed complains against three doctors of Hadasa hospital for diagnosing the child with the wrong sickness and that's when the doctors decided to get back the mother.

I asked what about the video footage of the mother pulling out the tube, they responded that anyone that knows about IV knows that the tube falls out many times especially on a child, there is no evidence that she was not putting it back in that is because they cut the video ”

“ Why shouldn't the Chareidi community be hated? They contribute nothing but avail themselves of all services of the state on other people's backs. Now they riot, burn, destroy as well. What's to like? ”

“ Why burn the garbage bins? Why stone the buses? Why stone the cars? BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY way to get the point across to the Amolakim ”

“ If you believe anything that the family told you, you could use some treatment yourself. BTW, a feeding tube is not IV. It was a gastronasal tube that passes through the nose into the esophogus and into the stomach. It's about three feet long and there is no way it can fall out. The bottom line is that this poor, sick woman deliberately caused her son's illnesses over his entire short, unhappy life. The complaints about the doctors and the accusations of coverup are part of her syndrome. Of course, if the doctors can actually cure her son, all of her devotion is invalidated. It is clear that the doctors have no motive for lying while she, because of her disease, has not only motive but compulsion to lie. The woman herself is a nebach. The ignorant boobs who maintain her "innocence"and flatter themselves that the secular Israeli establishment actually cares enough about them to hate them are the ones who need to face stern justice. ”

“ Finally, we are hearing from Charedim who live in Jerusalem and are angry, disappointed, embarrassed and ashamed by the behavior of these hooligans.

I am planning to visit within the next few weeks and I WILL NOT spend my tourist dollars in unsafe neighborhoods. Think about it, tourists will not go to Arab neighborhoods because it is not safe, and now we will not go to Chareidi neighborhoods because it is not safe? Isn't that a TERRIBLE comparison.

We have the Torah, we are supposed to be BETTER than "they" are, BECAUSE we have the guidelines set up for us for proper behavior and demeanor.

So who is better than whom?
And STOP WITH THE NAMECALLING !!! That is not the way we are supposed to behave !! ”

“ i know this mother personally and her son. i used to visit him in the hospital a couple of times each week and yes the sons tubes, and iv's used to always fall out. i remember just walking down the hall with him and his tubes would fall out. the mother is completely innocent. ”

“ I'm not sure why any sane Jew, with no inside information, would believe this story. We know froim much experience that the Israeli media has an agend to bash all religous Jews (not just chardim, National Religous too, but don't expect any empathy from them) and constantly makes things up. Why would you automatically believe their version? Only because you have been indoctrinated by the government incitement against religous jews, just like the palestinian children are indoctrinated to hate jews. ”

“ Dear frequent visitor, to put it bluntly ,we relay don't think that the few dollars you may have spent here in Jerusalem would have made any difference to any of us. ”

“ Where is the documents? It's a civilised hospital no? Let them show the medical records to a judge. I don't see what's the dispute. ”

“ I remember the mother as well, and the tubs was always OK. ”

“ If you believe anything that the family told you, you could use some treatment yourself. BTW, a feeding tube is not IV. It was a gastronasal tube that passes through the nose into the esophogus and into the stomach. It's about three feet long and there is no way it can fall out. The bottom line is that this poor, sick woman deliberately caused her son's illnesses over his entire short, unhappy life. The complaints about the doctors and the accusations of coverup are part of her syndrome. Of course, if the doctors can actually cure her son, all of her devotion is invalidated. It is clear that the doctors have no motive for lying while she, because of her disease, has not only motive but compulsion to lie. The woman herself is a nebach. The ignorant boobs who maintain her "innocence"and flatter themselves that the secular Israeli establishment actually cares enough about them to hate them are the ones who need to face stern justice. ”

“ the Chareidi community as a whole contribute Torah and Yiras Shomayim...
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“ Anyone who gets there information from the news & blog sites are not qualified to give an opinion on such a sensitive story, by either knocking the hospital or the family involved. But it is our responsibility & chiyuv to shout out in pain at the way Yiden are acting in the street's of Yerusholayim!!! Rioting, Gezel, Prikas Oll, does not help the family involved - but rather causes Chilul Hashem on the greatest level, What are my meant to explain to my children, to my Seed partner & even to myself when we see such a level of violence in the street's of Yerusholayim ??? ”

“ The fact that the demonstrations are continuing in full force proves the mothers innocents, the demonstrators surly know who this women is and they are expressing their deep feelings of pain for her. I have interviewed many of them and they feel that the mother was accused for something she is 100% clean of, so why should she be jailed if she has done """nothing""" wrong. ”

“ It's sweet that this lady is sticking up for her friend, but the line that the feeding tube must have fallen out of the child's mouth because the child was weak makes no sense. I've never heard of a feeding tube that goes in the mouth. Every feeding tube I've ever heard of is either a naso-gastric tube (in the nose then down through the esophagus) or directly into the belly. They can be pulled out, but they don't fall out of someone's mouth. ”

“ As a mother of a child suffering from FTT (failure to thrive) that has been hospitalized too many times, and from my experience in relationships with medical experts, I find that the mother is 100% innocent. When my daughter was hospitalized for dehydration twice in a week, the hospital sent a social worker to talk to me, and they asked me all sorts of questions over and over again. Bechasdei Hashem, I am a smart intelligent person, and was able to deduce that they are trying to corner me with a Child abuse case, at one point, i overheard one of the social workers explaining to the head nurse that I am refusing to feed my child. If I weren't distraught enough as to WHY my child would not eat, they were shifting the blame on me. I invited the social worker to my next scheduled meal, and showed her my daughters refusal, and asked her if she could possibly feed my daughter, after several tries, and after calling in a pediatric feeding specialist, she finally let me breath. now, my daughter has been fed via NG tube for approximately 6 months. during that time there were several occasions were the feeding tube just came out, out of the blue! and anybody with a child on an NG tube would attest that it is 100% likely for the tube to come out with a cough, vomit, or JUST LIKE THAT! people, your knowledge is limited here! DO NOT JUDGE! I personally spoke with this woman a couple of months back, about her son's condition. I was referred to her through a family member that felt that maybe I can help her, since my daughter's situation improved Burach Hashem. I am not from up close, but our conversation lasted over an hour, in depth and details of her sons condition! My heart broke about the nonprofessional approach of the medical industry in the state of Israel. At that point in time, (a few months ago) she had attested to the fact that the medical personal involved with here son had no definite diagnosis, and he is being treated on a day to day basis. This story is SAD! this woman should not be judged wrongly for nothing!!! people please pray for the release of this woman, and a speedy recovery for her son! may G-d's mercy be upon her and all of Klal Yisroel!! Amen! ”

“ Dear Yossi, this woman's Husband comes from Stamford Hill. Her Mother in law flew yesterday from Stamford Hill to EY to be with the family. I know them and can tell you they are very refined people. I heard from the mother in law that this woman was constantly concerned about hr child. She literally drove the docors mad trying to understand what procedures they were doing to her child. Slowly the Doctors realised that there botched up diagnosis of cancer was not going to go unnoticed. Having no alternative they decided to turn the tide against her by accusing her of abusing her child to get her out the way. So at the next oppertunity when this woman was acting not within the doctors orders they pounced on her and got her arrested. She may have acted against Doctors orders but it was out of desperation to help her beloved child. She has 4 other healthy children so you can imagine the agmas nefesh of watching your child die in front of your eyes whilst some heratless medical students decide wether or not he should be fed normally or with a feeding tube. Wether she was right or wrong mentally ill or not she certainly does not deserve to be cuffed and arrested. You can explain to your children and your Seed partner ad even yourself that EY is not like Manchester with its NHS. in EY if they dont like you they cuff you whereas in England they deal wih situations sensibly its unheard of here in the UK to arrest a pregnant mother of 5 for trying to improve her ill sons condition at most they would prevent the mother from seeing her child. Think of it , the child has been in and out of Hospital for 2 years so assuming he is ill due to her abuse how did it go unnoticed? like i say they are just desperate to cover up their horrific medical studies on this frum child. Yiddishkeit is'nt always nice nice sometimes wehave to fight. When a yiddisher mamme zitst in tevisa only because she's heavy chassidish and the chiloinim hate her like a parasite yiddishkeit demands that we fight. print this out and show it to your Seed partner make him and yourself understand. have a heart and dont just think about your own kovod. ”

“ Sadly, many mothers in our community live ONLY for the sake of their children. Although this can be very spiritual, it can also be disastrous.
Sometimes, a mother-child relationship is toxic.
For a number of reasons, the mother may use the child to deal with her own neurosis. Depending on how strong the neurosis is, this can be mild or quite serious.

It is reminiscent of the boy scout who, in order to earn a "stripe" helps a little old lady cross a street.

The lady is kicking and screaming because she doesn't want to cross the street!!!
Is she stam a meshugena or is she in her RIGHTS not to cross??
The bottom line is, the boy scout certainly has an agenda.

As does almost everyone in this case.

The ONLY way to properly diagnose menchausen's is to 100% separate the child from the possibly dysfunctional attachments that have developed between him and his mother. A healthy mother will be sad, but she would not go insane over this. Especially if her family and her community is supportive. A mother who has developed an unhealthy bond with her child WILL suffer more. She will feel that a part of her was ripped out - literally. And she will do ANYTHING to get her child back, even if it is criminal. By acting like criminals as a group, the community is actually perpetuating an outsiders perception that unhealthy bonds are encouraged by this community!

If everyone really, really wants to see the mother and the child well, they would not be panicking over this separation. They would be doing their utmost to support both the mother and the father during this difficult time. ”

“ Dear Londoner, it's very noble of you to stick up for your "landsman", but refined as the family may be, it doesn't shed any light on the situation. Mental disorders can go unnoticed for years, until someone rings the alarm bell. I am not making any diagnosis, I am not a psychiatrist, but it seems that this lady does show signs of Munchausen. The whole cancer story doesn't have a leg to stand on. According to the mother, the kid has been treated with chemo when it doesn't have cancer?? The hospital denies this, and ofcourse they noticed that the kid is not thriving. They suspected long ago that the mother was interfering with the feeding process, but they needed proof, hence the installation of a camera. Don't be naive mr Londoner, if you want to help your friend, educate yourself on the subject. Accusing the secular doctors of a sham, is simply being in denial. ”