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Israel - The Great Rabbinical Court has ordered the Israel Prison Service to deny a jailed long-time recalcitrant husband glatt kosher meals, as means to pressure him into granting his wife a divorce.
In response the man declared a hunger strike and is currently being fed intravenously.
The couple got married 10 years ago, and two years later, after they already had two children together, the two separated and have been living apart ever since.
When they filed for a divorce with the rabbinic court it seemed that both sides were interested in a quick procedure, and the husband even stated at the time that he did not want to see his wife ever again.
But since then, and for the last eight years, the man has come up with various arguments and demands that have prevented the divorce from being finalized.
As the situation got more and more complicated, the woman agreed to give up alimonies, and visitation rights have been agreed upon. But the husband continued in his attempts to blackmail the wife.
The case was finally handed over to the Great Rabbinical Court, where the judges soon ruled that the man was in fact a recalcitrant husband, who is not genuinely interested in a divorce. "This situation must be put a stop to," they said in their verdict.
The court then sentenced the man to five years in prison, of which he has already served two. However, even after he was incarcerated, the man continued to present demands and conditions to his wife in return for a divorce.
Having used up most of the sanctions available to them, the judges then came up with a new idea. They ordered the IPS to take the man out of the religious wing in which he was being held, put him in solitary confinement for two weeks, and stop providing him with strictly kosher meals.
But it seems that the stubborn man is willing to do anything but grant his wife her freedom. In recent days he has been on a hunger strike in protest of the change in his food's kashrut kevel, and the wardens were forced to forcefully put him on IV.
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Jul 17, 2009 at 06:15 PM Anonymous Says:
why is the halacha so much in favor of the husband that they have this right of not giving a get?????????
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Jul 17, 2009 at 06:10 PM Yitzchok Says:
don't they have the death penalty in Israel? Can't they do a "heter meah Rabonnim?"
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Jul 17, 2009 at 06:00 PM Anonymous Says:
I never understood why men make women suffer when it comes to devorice. ?if u had a bad marriage why do u want to contuine having contact with that person. ?
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Jul 17, 2009 at 06:33 PM Liepa Says:
He's being fed intravenously - glatt or non-glatt ?
Maybe they should try waterboarding him like in Guantanamo.
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Jul 17, 2009 at 06:32 PM Anonymous Says:
Because they try to have power over their wives while they are married, and when she escapes, they still want to have the power, and unfortunately they can. so they do. It has nothing to do with a normal relationship.
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Jul 17, 2009 at 06:28 PM Anonymous Says:
I'm the first person to say these lowlifes should suffer so they can't mess up another poor lady, but i have to say I'm shocked at denying someone his religious rights, & by the Rabbonim, no less. WOW!!!
Hope it works. Actually, if they stop feeding him intravenously, she won't need a Get.
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Jul 17, 2009 at 07:26 PM Chacham Bashi Says:
Why feed him at all. If he doesn't want to eat let him starve. Why feed him through a tube. F he dies from sþarvation than we don't need a Get! A perfect solution to this monster of a man!
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Jul 18, 2009 at 08:20 PM Elchonon Says:
“ I'm the first person to say these lowlifes should suffer so they can't mess up another poor lady, but i have to say I'm shocked at denying someone his religious rights, & by the Rabbonim, no less. WOW!!!
Hope it works. Actually, if they stop feeding him intravenously, she won't need a Get. ”
He wants to be "mehudar" and eat glatt, let him be a mentch first and give his poor wife a get.. you cant practice torah without mentchlichkeit.. something many seem to have forgotten.
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Jul 18, 2009 at 04:30 PM A. Nuran Says:
So don't feed him intravenously. If he doesn't want to eat, he doesn't want to eat. Either he'll come to his senses or she'll be a widow. Good result either way.
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Jul 18, 2009 at 03:31 PM Anonymous Says:
“ don't they have the death penalty in Israel? Can't they do a "heter meah Rabonnim?" ”
heter meah rabanim is for a man that his wife refuses to accept a get, doesn't work the other way around. B"h you do not know of these things.
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Jul 18, 2009 at 03:19 PM shimon taylor Says:
If it is the rabanut that is behind giving him questionably kosher food, then it would be better to request he be given NO food, but NOT that the food given is without the hashgacha he requires.
The rabonim are in effect, starving him. This is equivelant to murder, so they must be arrested acording to law. It would therefore be more honest if they came out openly to starve the man to death.
The true story, I don't know. I don't bbelieve the way it is presented, at any rate. It is an unlikely story, that he is simply making her suffer. You don't believe such things about an incarcerated man.. It's a disgrace that readers belive it, as is.
Either he wants her back, or he wants a just settlement which he is not being given because there is another option of torturing him instead.
(No, I personally have never been in such a situatuation. But I've heard stories of such cases).
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Jul 18, 2009 at 08:47 PM Anonymous Says:
“ don't they have the death penalty in Israel? Can't they do a "heter meah Rabonnim?" ”
a Heter for what exactly?!? The only way the wife coulod marry is by receiving a Get...
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Jul 18, 2009 at 08:53 PM Anonymous Says:
“ If it is the rabanut that is behind giving him questionably kosher food, then it would be better to request he be given NO food, but NOT that the food given is without the hashgacha he requires.
The rabonim are in effect, starving him. This is equivelant to murder, so they must be arrested acording to law. It would therefore be more honest if they came out openly to starve the man to death.
The true story, I don't know. I don't bbelieve the way it is presented, at any rate. It is an unlikely story, that he is simply making her suffer. You don't believe such things about an incarcerated man.. It's a disgrace that readers belive it, as is.
Either he wants her back, or he wants a just settlement which he is not being given because there is another option of torturing him instead.
(No, I personally have never been in such a situatuation. But I've heard stories of such cases). ”
Unlikely? Hard to believe?
Unfortunately, it's neither.
Talk to anyone involved in Gittin and you'll here far, far worse stories. Some men just like controlling others, or harming those they think did something to them.
And they will all invariably tell you how "unfair" the rabbonim are.
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Jul 18, 2009 at 08:54 PM gregaaron Says:
“ why is the halacha so much in favor of the husband that they have this right of not giving a get????????? ”
I would hope that anyone on this site knows better than to ask such a question. The Torah does not "favor" men or women. And no talmid chochom would ever call it a "right" not to give a get.
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Jul 18, 2009 at 09:23 PM Anonymous Says:
“ If it is the rabanut that is behind giving him questionably kosher food, then it would be better to request he be given NO food, but NOT that the food given is without the hashgacha he requires.
The rabonim are in effect, starving him. This is equivelant to murder, so they must be arrested acording to law. It would therefore be more honest if they came out openly to starve the man to death.
The true story, I don't know. I don't bbelieve the way it is presented, at any rate. It is an unlikely story, that he is simply making her suffer. You don't believe such things about an incarcerated man.. It's a disgrace that readers belive it, as is.
Either he wants her back, or he wants a just settlement which he is not being given because there is another option of torturing him instead.
(No, I personally have never been in such a situatuation. But I've heard stories of such cases). ”
Like # 11, The woman are not always the victims in these cases and the men have to use whatever means they have at their disposal not to lose contact with their kids etc
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Jul 18, 2009 at 09:19 PM pissed Says:
“ I would hope that anyone on this site knows better than to ask such a question. The Torah does not "favor" men or women. And no talmid chochom would ever call it a "right" not to give a get. ”
Like it or not, although it might not be called "a right" they have the POWER to deny his wife a get. After all, according to the kesuba, the choson "takes a wife" and he is the "head" of the family. Furthermore, according to halacha, any money earned by the woman is automatically her husband's. Isn't this like owning a slave? What the slave owns is automatically the owners!!
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Jul 18, 2009 at 09:16 PM Anonymous Says:
they are not starving him, they are giving him vegetarian food. they probably hope he will miss eating meat, but if he is this sick and stubborn, he may not.
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Jul 18, 2009 at 09:30 PM obamanation Says:
“ why is the halacha so much in favor of the husband that they have this right of not giving a get????????? ”
what an am ha'uretz. if u don't know shut up
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Jul 18, 2009 at 09:32 PM obamanation Says:
some one that wasn't involved in a divorce will never understand why and how a man can do this. I was involved in many divorces and I can understand anything
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Jul 18, 2009 at 09:35 PM gregaaron Says:
“ Like it or not, although it might not be called "a right" they have the POWER to deny his wife a get. After all, according to the kesuba, the choson "takes a wife" and he is the "head" of the family. Furthermore, according to halacha, any money earned by the woman is automatically her husband's. Isn't this like owning a slave? What the slave owns is automatically the owners!! ”
The Torah gives the husband whatever money the wife earns in return for him being responsible for supporting her (please let's not get into THAT conversation now). But the Gemara (in Kesubos, among other places) says that a wife has a right to forego the support and she then gets to keep anything she earns.
And yes, the husband does have a "power". We all have the power to do things that can hurt other people, and hopefully we are responsible enough not to do these things. Other people, unfortunately, take advantage. But to imply that the Torah is unfair is just wrong, and is probably apikorsus (at the risk of using a term that is WAY overused, especially on this site).
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Jul 18, 2009 at 09:34 PM Anonymous Says:
“ why is the halacha so much in favor of the husband that they have this right of not giving a get????????? ”
Heter mayah rabunim is only to grant for a husband if the wife dosent except a get, but if the husband is the problem you can't give a heter cause she is a EISHES EISH!
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Jul 18, 2009 at 09:39 PM Anonymous Says:
“ some one that wasn't involved in a divorce will never understand why and how a man can do this. I was involved in many divorces and I can understand anything ”
obamanation Says: "I was involved in many divorces"
Now THAT I can believe, it also tells a lot about you.
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Jul 18, 2009 at 10:02 PM Zindel Says:
Stop giving him the IV!!!
A widow can marry as she wishes....
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Jul 18, 2009 at 10:09 PM Charlie Hall Says:
“ I'm the first person to say these lowlifes should suffer so they can't mess up another poor lady, but i have to say I'm shocked at denying someone his religious rights, & by the Rabbonim, no less. WOW!!!
Hope it works. Actually, if they stop feeding him intravenously, she won't need a Get. ”
Does someone who violates an order of a properly constituted beit din have religious rights?
Is Judaism about rights at all? His obligation is to give his wife the get if the beit din has ordered him to do so.
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Jul 18, 2009 at 10:06 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Like it or not, although it might not be called "a right" they have the POWER to deny his wife a get. After all, according to the kesuba, the choson "takes a wife" and he is the "head" of the family. Furthermore, according to halacha, any money earned by the woman is automatically her husband's. Isn't this like owning a slave? What the slave owns is automatically the owners!! ”
You compare the wife to a "slave" under halacha. From the tone and substance of your comment, you seem to fall within a genre of behama that lives in its own slime. How dare you say such shdus about yiddeshe women. May hashem have rachmonis on any women in your life.
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Jul 18, 2009 at 10:52 PM Avraham Says:
The Nine Days are coming, no need for glatt
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Jul 18, 2009 at 10:53 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Because they try to have power over their wives while they are married, and when she escapes, they still want to have the power, and unfortunately they can. so they do. It has nothing to do with a normal relationship. ”
EXACTLY. it is a control issue.
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Jul 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM Anonymous Says:
The Torah does not give men the right to withhold a get at will, nor to blackmail their wives for exorbitant sums of money or ridiculous terms of custody. Even the power men hold to divorce their wives was curtailed by R' Shimon ben Shetach and later by Rabbeinu Gershom, so that it would not be abused by losers and control freaks. In bygone days, Beis Din was allowed to beat a recalcitrant husband until he agreed to grant his wife a get.
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Jul 18, 2009 at 11:59 PM Anonymous Says:
Ok 16 and whoever else commented in similer vain ur am ratzim he only gets pairos bmaseh yadeha and not the keren it remains hers and if you have no clue what that means go learn a little before you show the world your ignorence
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Jul 19, 2009 at 12:43 AM shimon taylor Says:
“ they are not starving him, they are giving him vegetarian food. they probably hope he will miss eating meat, but if he is this sick and stubborn, he may not. ”
I didn't say thet ARE starving him. But if he wants to be makpid about kashrus, then he might also prefer not to be lenient about anything without the hashgacha, and might therefore be right to refuse food from any other scource or from any hetairim.
If it is the rabonim who are doing this, then this is a tremendous chillul hashem. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE all rabonim. But they have a mistake over here!
Even if there is a halocho to force a man to give a get, there is no halocho to feed him treif.
And anyway, to starve a man to give a get is not one of the ways, of using ....... "we force him until he says "I WANT to give the get" ". And if it IS, in this case, he could easily eat treif instead (or food without the hashgocho of those rabonim who are using this force). The rabonim are also hiding behind the backs of the chilonim, and doing what the chilonim would arrest a person for, is for starving a person, maybe to death.
But again, neither do I know what the details of the story are.
The rabbis these days do not have the entire case in their hands.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 01:02 AM Anonymous Says:
anything a person does, will come back to him. that is mida keneged mida. the goyim even understand the concept and call it "karma". either way, the hands of the Rabbis are limited, especially without a Sanhedrin. These guys will get their fair share. we need to still believe
(as hard as it may be) that this is all from Hashem and it is He who is causing this suffering to the woman and her family. This husband may have volunteered, not unlike Pharaoh and y"s....that is the truth...
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Jul 19, 2009 at 01:00 AM Obviously Mentally Ill Says:
It is obvious that this man is mentally ill and needs to see a psychiatrist. The wife's family should have handled this matter privately. I disagree with the court sentencing this man to five years just for this abuse of power. The Kehilla must take action if the Wife's family is unable to do so. This should not turn into a death sentence for him by his jailors. Let him eat and then send him a Rav that will teach him Torah and Yiras Shomayim.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 07:50 AM Anonymous Says:
R' Akiva Eiger famously reminded a husband that was refusing a get that a woman goes free in one of two ways :-)
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Jul 19, 2009 at 04:41 AM EG Says:
“ Like it or not, although it might not be called "a right" they have the POWER to deny his wife a get. After all, according to the kesuba, the choson "takes a wife" and he is the "head" of the family. Furthermore, according to halacha, any money earned by the woman is automatically her husband's. Isn't this like owning a slave? What the slave owns is automatically the owners!! ”
Who sais that any money earned by the woman is automatically her husband's.
I understood the contrary: He is obliged to feed & clothe her. Even if she is a millionare, he is not allowed to touch what she has and has to give the shirt of his back to feed her...
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Jul 19, 2009 at 09:11 AM Anonymous Says:
“ It is obvious that this man is mentally ill and needs to see a psychiatrist. The wife's family should have handled this matter privately. I disagree with the court sentencing this man to five years just for this abuse of power. The Kehilla must take action if the Wife's family is unable to do so. This should not turn into a death sentence for him by his jailors. Let him eat and then send him a Rav that will teach him Torah and Yiras Shomayim. ”
I'm sure he had a Torah education from birth on. What makes you think he can now learn Torah and Yiras Shomayim if he has failed basic mentchlikeit up to this point? Let's not be delusional.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 01:51 AM thinks ur a cyco Says:
“ Like it or not, although it might not be called "a right" they have the POWER to deny his wife a get. After all, according to the kesuba, the choson "takes a wife" and he is the "head" of the family. Furthermore, according to halacha, any money earned by the woman is automatically her husband's. Isn't this like owning a slave? What the slave owns is automatically the owners!! ”
what? a wife is like a slave? what radical views do you have! i really pity ur wife. unbelievable!
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Jul 19, 2009 at 09:56 PM Anonymous Says:
He should NOT be fed intravenously - he should continue his hunger strike and DIE , then his wife can get the get she deserves. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jul 20, 2009 at 08:48 AM Sarah Says:
“ He should NOT be fed intravenously - he should continue his hunger strike and DIE , then his wife can get the get she deserves. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ”
Heter Mea Rabonim applies to the man only. What they can do is a heter based on mekach taus, if they can come up with proof that this is a man that no one would have agreed to marry in the first place and if they can come up with proof that had the woman known "xyz" about him she would have never agreed to marry him, hence the marriage contract was under false pretenses giving the dayanim the authority to annul the marriage. This method is rarely used in our day. They should beat him physically till he says ok. Rav Druckman, retired dayan of the Beit Din Hagadol has a magificent halachic viewpoint on how it's halachically ok to beat a guy who doesn't want to give a Get. There are things to do, we just don't have enough willing dayanim. But things are changing slowly and this is good. There is hope.
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Jul 20, 2009 at 08:49 AM Suri Says:
“ He should NOT be fed intravenously - he should continue his hunger strike and DIE , then his wife can get the get she deserves. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ”
Right on!! They should let him die!!!!
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Jul 20, 2009 at 09:01 AM suri Says:
“ don't they have the death penalty in Israel? Can't they do a "heter meah Rabonnim?" ”
I mistakenly wrote Rav Druckman. I meant Rav Shlomo Dchovsky.
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Jul 20, 2009 at 09:00 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I'm the first person to say these lowlifes should suffer so they can't mess up another poor lady, but i have to say I'm shocked at denying someone his religious rights, & by the Rabbonim, no less. WOW!!!
Hope it works. Actually, if they stop feeding him intravenously, she won't need a Get. ”
If one uses the torah to ruin someone's life, they should lose their right to observe the mitzvot. Observing mitzvot makes a person free, you know that if you learned anything. He shouldn't be able to exercise his freedom until he frees his wife. And the dayanim are obligated to force him to do the right thing! Even the goyim know this. One who is incarcerated loses his right to vote. This is because by committing the crime that he did, he cause himself to lose his rights to be part of society!
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Jul 20, 2009 at 09:20 AM suri Says:
“ Like # 11, The woman are not always the victims in these cases and the men have to use whatever means they have at their disposal not to lose contact with their kids etc ”
Why do you choose to remain anonymous? Is it because what you are saying is so heartless and cruel? There are bad people everywhere and not the females or the males have a monopoly over this. But to say that a man can use anything at his disposal to see his kids, is not only sick it's sheker! A man has the law at his disposal. The law can adjudicate his rights. If she is not letting him see his children he can go to court. The batei din all over the world will allow a man to go to civil court to resolve issues over children and money. nO one has the right to blackmaiil anyone. The torah doesn't give anyone this right and certainly not by using a mitzvah which is what giving a get is. I have to go now.... working....but I have lots more to say to you!!!!