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Sullivan County, NY - More Bear Sightings Prompts DEC Warning: Threats To Humans Are Real |
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Jul 19, 2009 at 11:06 AM
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They are often lured to them by the smell of food, coming from homes or garbage cans and the DEC’s Gene Kelly said make no mistake about it, they are dangerous.
“We’re not talking about Winnie the Pooh here; we’re talking about live, wild animals that can grow quite large,” he said. “Adult male bears can easily 300 or 400 pounds or even larger; they are powerful animals. They don’t look to us as friends, even though they look cuddly and cute. They view us as nothing more than a potential source of food.”
Kelly said keep garbage can lids on tight, don’t stock bird feeders in the summer, turn off kitchen exhaust fans immediately after cooking, and if you are barbequing, be sure to clean off the grill after use and close the lid.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 11:17 AM Big Masmid Says:
This might be a sign from Hashem that we should all be heading back to the city as Rabbi Nochum Rosenburg offered at his Shabbos speech. Part of what he brought up is that it's not a healthy situation for husband and wife to be separated most of the week. So I am packing my bags and going back home. I will not take any chances, especially the Hashem is hinting it so clearly to us.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 11:41 AM vacationer Says:
VIN next time please post this kind of article when we are back in the city like Monday morning, you think I need my wife to yell at me all day today
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Jul 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM Anonymous Says:
But it is still illegal to shoot them down, I guess a bear has some more value to some than a human..
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Jul 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM Zindel Says:
I personaly don't get the twisted connection ur trying to make between R' Nuchem Rosenberg and the bear sittuation upstate; however as usuall R' Rosenberg is on the mark with his point!!!
I was told by the DEC officer that part of the problem is that the kids think the bears are cool...
They were called to 1 specific camp multiple times, turns out the kids were luring & feeding the bear to get a picture of them!!!
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Jul 19, 2009 at 11:35 AM pin ball Says:
if this is happening in the three weeks maybe Masmid has a good point
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Jul 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM Anonymous Says:
I happened to spot a bear down the road from our colony. It was very scary to actually meet up with a black bear eating from someones garbage. Please be very alert and careful with your garbage.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM Anonymous Says:
“ But it is still illegal to shoot them down, I guess a bear has some more value to some than a human.. ”
for every one you shoot there are hundreds more. don't be a tipish and start taking the warnigs seriously. surprised u aren't calling the bear and the cops anti semites.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 01:00 PM Raphael Kaufman Says:
“ This might be a sign from Hashem that we should all be heading back to the city as Rabbi Nochum Rosenburg offered at his Shabbos speech. Part of what he brought up is that it's not a healthy situation for husband and wife to be separated most of the week. So I am packing my bags and going back home. I will not take any chances, especially the Hashem is hinting it so clearly to us. ”
What this is a sign of is that some people are slobs who don't keep their garbage covered and that some people are idiots who think bears are "cute". If you spend time in bear country, learn the rules. Don't keep food or garbage outside. Don't try to feed bears. Black bears are predators that will prey on human children if they get the chance, so don't leave infants and toddlers outside unattended. Report bear sightings immediatly to the local police and the DEP. To #3, Theoretically, you could shoot a black bear if it was in the act of attacking you or another person but you'd better be able to prove it to the DEP. Black bears are legal game in NY and can be hunted with an appropriate license, in season. The fine for killing game out of season and without a license is $10,000. Hunting is the only mechanism for keeping the bear population in check. If you own property in Sullivan County and don't hunt (none of us do), allow and encourage others to hunt on your property and lobby the state legislature to extend the season on black bear.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 01:05 PM jewboy Says:
Legal or not, if you're confronted by a bear you better shoot it down (if you're armed), don't worry about the law, you gotta do what you gotta do.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 02:36 PM Anonymous Says:
Like one poster said, being meticulous about any type of garbage or trash is key. You can't put garbage out in plastic bags. Every owner, renter, bungalow colony and camp should make sure to buy proper bear resistant garbage recepticles, use them and wash down the areas around the recepticles regularly.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 02:45 PM Raphael Kaufman Says:
“ Legal or not, if you're confronted by a bear you better shoot it down (if you're armed), don't worry about the law, you gotta do what you gotta do. ”
If you confront a bear, back slowly away (DO NOT RUN) untill you are out of his immediate area. Bear repellent (pepper spray in large containers)is available in all the sporting goods stores in Sullivan county. Buy it, carry it and follow the directions. I do not advise shooting a bear with a handgun (particularly your little bitty 9mm) unless you are a good deal more experienced then I think you are. Animals (and people, for that matter) do not instantly fall down when shot. Even a heart shot will not stop a bear instantly and a wounded bear is a whole lot harder to deal with. Bear repellent works.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 01:30 PM mewhoze Says:
and if the bear kills he human will it be jailed and tried? no, IF they manage to catch it, they will prob kill it, but odds are it will get away.
self defense is most important.
if its you or the bear...take care of yourself!
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Jul 19, 2009 at 03:17 PM Z. N. Mishegoss Says:
Very sensible and good advice by Raphael Kaufman. If you really want to protect yourself from a bear with a handgun, you will need at least a .44 magnum, preferably a larger caliber weapon that can deliver over 1000 foot-pounds of energy to the target (a .44 magnum delivers 900 foot-pounds). These are not the sort of weapons one carries for personal protection - you movie fans will remember that the .44 magnum is what "Dirty Harry" used.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 04:47 PM anonymous Says:
My family and I for years have vacationed in State Park where black bears are visible and roam around. Black bear are wild animals but different from brown bears and will not attack humans if left alone. If cornered they probably will otherwise they are searching for a well filled garbage can. Their living area is curtailed by the fact that humans are moving in their habitat. If humans would not think of them as cute bears and not leave outside well packed garbage cans with pizza left overs and other food they avoid humans
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Jul 19, 2009 at 07:06 PM Mendel Says:
I have seen a bear 4 times while jogging this summer already. I have called the local Police, the Sheriff and the State DEC. They laugh and say things like "you people from Brooklyn need to close your garbage bins..." There is an unspoken hatred for us here in the Catskills. The people who live here all year long have their rifles; we do not. The bears go to a regular resident, they'll get shot at; they come to us and we are vulnerable and the authorities laugh. We are all those big shots from Agudah and OU when Jewish lives could be at stake and we need some representation??
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Jul 19, 2009 at 07:36 PM yogi bear Says:
“ Very sensible and good advice by Raphael Kaufman. If you really want to protect yourself from a bear with a handgun, you will need at least a .44 magnum, preferably a larger caliber weapon that can deliver over 1000 foot-pounds of energy to the target (a .44 magnum delivers 900 foot-pounds). These are not the sort of weapons one carries for personal protection - you movie fans will remember that the .44 magnum is what "Dirty Harry" used. ”
The Ruger "Alaskan" model is actually "compact" (relatively speaking, in its shortest bbl configuration) and is specifically made for that purpose............Not, mind you for going bear hunting, but for carry in bear country. It also can be used with far less powerful 45 LC ammo, a oppossed to the 454 Cassul round.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 07:36 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I have seen a bear 4 times while jogging this summer already. I have called the local Police, the Sheriff and the State DEC. They laugh and say things like "you people from Brooklyn need to close your garbage bins..." There is an unspoken hatred for us here in the Catskills. The people who live here all year long have their rifles; we do not. The bears go to a regular resident, they'll get shot at; they come to us and we are vulnerable and the authorities laugh. We are all those big shots from Agudah and OU when Jewish lives could be at stake and we need some representation?? ”
The local authorities in no way have the money and resources to trap and relocate all the bears. Not all of the locals have rifles -- most don't. If you feel you need a rifle, there is nothing to stop you from getting the training and buying one. People may be better off carrying bear reppellant as a prior commenter suggested.
This is not a jewish/gentile issue. It is a city/country issue. For example, on one of the lakes, the gentiles all head back to the city Sunday night. They put the trash out before they leave instead of taking it with them. The locals will wait until Monday morning just before the trash collectors come to bring the trash barrels out of the shed or garage.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 09:20 PM shooter Says:
ten round clip .40 caliber black talon emptied on a black bear should make him very uncomfortable to say least. will surelly run and probably dievery quick.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 08:51 PM serves you right Says:
if you can't handle the wildlife, get out of the catskills.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 10:34 PM Anonymous Says:
“ ten round clip .40 caliber black talon emptied on a black bear should make him very uncomfortable to say least. will surelly run and probably dievery quick. ”
Black Talon has not been produced since 1993, and light hollowpoints are the last thing you want to use on a bear!
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Jul 19, 2009 at 10:29 PM Anonymous Says:
“ What this is a sign of is that some people are slobs who don't keep their garbage covered and that some people are idiots who think bears are "cute". If you spend time in bear country, learn the rules. Don't keep food or garbage outside. Don't try to feed bears. Black bears are predators that will prey on human children if they get the chance, so don't leave infants and toddlers outside unattended. Report bear sightings immediatly to the local police and the DEP. To #3, Theoretically, you could shoot a black bear if it was in the act of attacking you or another person but you'd better be able to prove it to the DEP. Black bears are legal game in NY and can be hunted with an appropriate license, in season. The fine for killing game out of season and without a license is $10,000. Hunting is the only mechanism for keeping the bear population in check. If you own property in Sullivan County and don't hunt (none of us do), allow and encourage others to hunt on your property and lobby the state legislature to extend the season on black bear. ”
Inasmuch as David Hamelech described to Shaul his killing of predators, it would seem that a Jew may hunt dangerous animals that may be a threat
So for the fall: A vasikin minyan in the woods, followed by a bear hunt -who is joining me?
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Jul 20, 2009 at 06:55 AM shooter Says:
“ Black Talon has not been produced since 1993, and light hollowpoints are the last thing you want to use on a bear! ”
fyi, black talon is not just a hollow point it was discontinued because it was designed to work as a saw capable of penetrating armour. it can definitly violate the skin of a black bear which is not as tough as that of other bears. and .40 caliber comes very close to that of a .357 magnum, plenty of stoping power.
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Jul 20, 2009 at 06:55 AM shooter Says:
“ Black Talon has not been produced since 1993, and light hollowpoints are the last thing you want to use on a bear! ”
fyi, black talon is not just a hollow point it was discontinued because it was designed to work as a saw capable of penetrating armour. it can definitly violate the skin of a black bear which is not as tough as that of other bears. and .40 caliber comes very close to that of a .357 magnum, plenty of stoping power.
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Jul 20, 2009 at 07:03 AM shooter says Says:
“ Very sensible and good advice by Raphael Kaufman. If you really want to protect yourself from a bear with a handgun, you will need at least a .44 magnum, preferably a larger caliber weapon that can deliver over 1000 foot-pounds of energy to the target (a .44 magnum delivers 900 foot-pounds). These are not the sort of weapons one carries for personal protection - you movie fans will remember that the .44 magnum is what "Dirty Harry" used. ”
tests done on goats showed that the .44 magnum hand gun had a one shot stoping power and it was instent. a six clip placed half right on any med size animal is enough to neutrulize it very quickly. this monster handgun is the campers best friend.
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Jul 20, 2009 at 04:40 PM 2frum4U Says:
he sleeps till noon but before it's dark, he every picnic basket that's in Jellystone park.
Or is that my kids this summer?
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Jul 21, 2009 at 07:57 AM animal lover Says:
i love bears, they are beautiful animals but they don't have the same brains as we do, they don't realise that when they are, chas vshalom mauling someone that they are doing somthing bad - its just - dinner.
we have invadedthere territory, we don't need to be in the country and if we are then we must accept the circumstances.