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Several young men from America and other countries have been arrested by the Jerusalem police; authorities are currently weighing whether to deport them.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 05:52 PM yenta Says:
please....absolutely..........send them home to their parents who should/will/might/won't take care of them. these kids who go to israel to "learn" and they verren meshigge fin laydig-gayn and all they do is bum around, should be shipped home pronto. they have no businness doing their stuff in the palterin shel melech
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Jul 19, 2009 at 05:56 PM Barzilai Says:
Who would have believed that in our erev Shabbos conversation, I had to tell my son, who is learning in Ezras Torah, "Make sure that this Shabbos you get a rest, but not arrested."
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Jul 19, 2009 at 05:55 PM Anonymous Says:
I was arrested 5 years ago by a demestration. I had to pay 20k shekel. If not they will hold my passport
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Jul 19, 2009 at 05:54 PM AuthenticSatmar Says:
When Israel deported arabs for rioting and other acts of violence, the UN comdemned them. Will they be doing the same for these Yeshiva Bochurim.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:05 PM Anonymous Says:
Bochurim don't be afraid - just keep on rioting untill the Chilonim will behave.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:04 PM Anonymous Says:
they can't control the situation as much as they will try to, they can do one major change, STOP INSTIGATING THE CHAREDIM! treat the charedim like the secular population so you won't have protests and demonstrations. the more pressure you put on them the more trouble you'll get.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:01 PM Anonymous Says:
Although I'm a big supporter of the demonstrations and protests, I can't take the wild actions following it when a few dozens of bochurim just stay around to "finish off" the event with some fires and other silly damages.
If its really known who is doing it, maybe its a good idea their parents should call them home and send them to a local yeshiva.
Problem is that police usually picks up people by random just to show that they arrested so much and that number of "rioters", I remember when they arrested here a disabled yungerman at a protest, he was frees the next day cuz it was just a joke to say he has done something while he can't even walk by himself..
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:15 PM Avrohom Abba Says:
Why don't we just get out of there and let them try to run the country without us? I hate to stay where I'm not wanted.
Instead, we donate here in the U.S.A. and we stop sending billions there. The Israelis don't want us? We don't have to stay. Good bye.
There is no mitzvah to put ourselves in a makom sakana.
They will be glad to see us go for the first month, then it will hit them what they caused.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:09 PM Anonymous Says:
“ When Israel deported arabs for rioting and other acts of violence, the UN comdemned them. Will they be doing the same for these Yeshiva Bochurim. ”
The same actions deserves the same punishment but ONLY if there is clear and compelling evidence like the eyewitness testimony of the police or security forces. They should treat the yeshiva bochurim from outside of EY exactly the same as they would for a rioting Palestian. Both pose a fundamental threat to the medinah, albeit in different ways. However, they should not blow up the homes or dormitories where these bochurim were living as the would to an arab family of a deportee.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:23 PM chaim Says:
they are 1000% right,these hoodlums should be immediately deported and their parents should be forced to pay for the damages
and at the same time,these traitorous criminaly insane ignorant savages these neturei karta nuts should all be depoted to gaza and teheran
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:26 PM Anonymous Says:
They should be in jail for a little longer what a chillul hasham they make every time they do this all those bucharim in jail don't care anything about shabes
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:01 PM Anonymous Says:
Although I'm a big supporter of the demonstrations and protests, I can't take the wild actions following it when a few dozens of bochurim just stay around to "finish off" the event with some fires and other silly damages.
If its really known who is doing it, maybe its a good idea their parents should call them home and send them to a local yeshiva.
Problem is that police usually picks up people by random just to show that they arrested so much and that number of "rioters", I remember when they arrested here a disabled yungerman at a protest, he was frees the next day cuz it was just a joke to say he has done something while he can't even walk by himself..
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Jul 19, 2009 at 07:04 PM Anonymous Says:
“ they can't control the situation as much as they will try to, they can do one major change, STOP INSTIGATING THE CHAREDIM! treat the charedim like the secular population so you won't have protests and demonstrations. the more pressure you put on them the more trouble you'll get. ”
Believe it or not, if the police suspect a chiloni of committing child abuse- they arrest them as well!!! If Arabs riot and cause destruction- they shoot rubber bullets, bulldoze their homes and arrest them!! So far these rioters are getting off pretty easy.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:59 PM a smart man Says:
“ please....absolutely..........send them home to their parents who should/will/might/won't take care of them. these kids who go to israel to "learn" and they verren meshigge fin laydig-gayn and all they do is bum around, should be shipped home pronto. they have no businness doing their stuff in the palterin shel melech ”
Send them home & let them go to "WORK" & not fool the whole world that the are "LEARNING IN MER".
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:59 PM Anonymous Says:
Please explain to me why in this generation parents send teen boys away to live in yeshivot where they are raised like a herd of wild orphans, instead of enrolling them in local Talmud Torah and letting them go home every night to their own parents to raise them to be decent.
In my city we have excellent boys' day schools --believe me, world famous for learning-- yet nice families send their nice sons out of town for years. When the boys return to visit, they have big hats but small hearts. They behave with no manners, no respect. Everyone sees it happen yet no one is asking WHY.
Then they go over to Yerushalayim and roam around, throwing rocks to kill Jewish people---as though no parent or moreh has ever taught them tzor meyrah v'oseh tov.
I am asking sincerely why Jewish parents are not raising their own sons babayis.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:52 PM anonymous Says:
“ When Israel deported arabs for rioting and other acts of violence, the UN comdemned them. Will they be doing the same for these Yeshiva Bochurim. ”
authentic satmar anybody who supports this violence and is oyver of bein adom lechavero should receive malkes and be osser especially during the three weeks and Rabbi Weiss is treife worst than a mechale shabbes
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:50 PM Anonymous Says:
Stop this Chillul Hashem Business!
Being Mechalel Shabbos in Public is the GREATEST chillul hashem, as is ruled in the RAMBA"M
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:43 PM Bunimfrombrooklyn Says:
They were merely having fun
NO AMERICAN bochur actually dies the real stupid things it's all the Israelis and the police just snatch whoever they can get there hands on
Trust me I know I was learning in an "Israeli" Yeshiva the past two years and I know what goes on
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Jul 19, 2009 at 06:32 PM Babishka Says:
My son was arrested and beaten by police for demonstrating against Gush Katif expulsions. His aliyah benefits were withheld even though he already served a term in the IDF.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 07:33 PM Anonymous Says:
this whole situation got out of hand. and keeps on getting worse. one thing for sure we have enough problems and people who hate us. when we fight with eochother it doesn't help.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 07:21 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Why don't we just get out of there and let them try to run the country without us? I hate to stay where I'm not wanted.
Instead, we donate here in the U.S.A. and we stop sending billions there. The Israelis don't want us? We don't have to stay. Good bye.
There is no mitzvah to put ourselves in a makom sakana.
They will be glad to see us go for the first month, then it will hit them what they caused. ”
Really? What do you contribute to society that it will not be able to continue without you?
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Jul 19, 2009 at 07:31 PM Anonymous Says:
“ When Israel deported arabs for rioting and other acts of violence, the UN comdemned them. Will they be doing the same for these Yeshiva Bochurim. ”
One more authentic Satmar. The Austrian police arrested another authentic "Satmar" for defrauding Russian Jews of 140,000 Euro, pocket money for Satmar. That is what I called an authentic erlicher Satmar, ganeive from another Yid, beautiful.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 07:47 PM Lav Daphka Says:
boys will be boys...this is part of yeshivish learning.....gevaldig.......
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Jul 19, 2009 at 07:46 PM A. Nuran Says:
If they act like terrorists who assault people with deadly weapons and commit arson they should expect to be treated that way. If stone-throwing Arabs get water cannons, tear gas and rubber bullets the Tallit-ban deserves the same.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 07:38 PM Anonymous Says:
“ They were merely having fun
NO AMERICAN bochur actually dies the real stupid things it's all the Israelis and the police just snatch whoever they can get there hands on
Trust me I know I was learning in an "Israeli" Yeshiva the past two years and I know what goes on ”
"Merely having fun"? You blithering idiot. This is what you were doing in israel when you were "learning" there? You shoiteh! Whose money did you waste? Haalt zich nuch zicher faar a talmid chuchem. At least keep quiet and don't advertise your shining stupidity!
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Jul 19, 2009 at 08:19 PM Anonymous Says:
I believe in protesting against chilul Shabbos, but, in a quiet non- violent manner - no rock throwing, no burning garbage etc. If they'd demonstrate quietly with derech eretz, then we'd have a case against the Israeli Police if they start abusing the protestors.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 08:39 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Please explain to me why in this generation parents send teen boys away to live in yeshivot where they are raised like a herd of wild orphans, instead of enrolling them in local Talmud Torah and letting them go home every night to their own parents to raise them to be decent.
In my city we have excellent boys' day schools --believe me, world famous for learning-- yet nice families send their nice sons out of town for years. When the boys return to visit, they have big hats but small hearts. They behave with no manners, no respect. Everyone sees it happen yet no one is asking WHY.
Then they go over to Yerushalayim and roam around, throwing rocks to kill Jewish people---as though no parent or moreh has ever taught them tzor meyrah v'oseh tov.
I am asking sincerely why Jewish parents are not raising their own sons babayis. ”
The reason why the parents send their sons is because they are pressured by the rabbonim in the U.S. to do so. The American rabbonim do this so that their counterparts in Israel will have parnossah, also so that the parents will have less influence over their children.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 09:23 PM Anonymous Says:
The names of these bochrim should be publicized.
This way girls know who these best boys in Lakewood are when they are redd shidduchim.
Abusive, agressive animals. Avoid them at all costs.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 09:18 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I was arrested 5 years ago by a demestration. I had to pay 20k shekel. If not they will hold my passport ”
What??! 20000 shequel? They must have shared it out between themselfs bought some bamba maybe?
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Jul 19, 2009 at 09:01 PM Anonymous Says:
“ When Israel deported arabs for rioting and other acts of violence, the UN comdemned them. Will they be doing the same for these Yeshiva Bochurim. ”
sorry these bochurim are supposed to be in yeshivah and not on the street rioting. if they are rioting yes they deserve to be sent home and to be supervised by their parents!
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Jul 19, 2009 at 08:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ When Israel deported arabs for rioting and other acts of violence, the UN comdemned them. Will they be doing the same for these Yeshiva Bochurim. ”
Authentic Satmar= Authentic Am'Haoretz and soneh yisroel. Anyone who does what these arrested bochurim have done deserves to be expelled from EY. This inlcudes the so=called "gadolim" of the Chareidim who have lost any claim to moral or political leadership.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 11:02 PM Anonymous Says:
Good Riddance.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 11:35 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The names of these bochrim should be publicized.
This way girls know who these best boys in Lakewood are when they are redd shidduchim.
Abusive, agressive animals. Avoid them at all costs. ”
Most of the bochurim who are going to be expelled from Eretz Yisroel are from the small Toldos Avraham chassidus in NYC and London.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 11:30 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The names of these bochrim should be publicized.
This way girls know who these best boys in Lakewood are when they are redd shidduchim.
Abusive, agressive animals. Avoid them at all costs. ”
I don't think these bochurim are posting their names for dates on "JDate" or Craigslist. Their behavior while in EY should be sufficient reason for them to be shunned and avoided once they are sent home to Lakewood and Monsey.
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Jul 19, 2009 at 11:15 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Authentic Satmar= Authentic Am'Haoretz and soneh yisroel. Anyone who does what these arrested bochurim have done deserves to be expelled from EY. This inlcudes the so=called "gadolim" of the Chareidim who have lost any claim to moral or political leadership. ”
There are very few Gadolim within the Chareidi community and NONE of them has been directly involved with these riots. The leadership of the extreme group organizing the parking lot riots over shabbos issues are not among the acknowledged gadolei torah and none of them are among the chief rabbinate of either the Ashkenazic or Sephardic communities. The latter have opposed the violence.
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Jul 20, 2009 at 05:52 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Please explain to me why in this generation parents send teen boys away to live in yeshivot where they are raised like a herd of wild orphans, instead of enrolling them in local Talmud Torah and letting them go home every night to their own parents to raise them to be decent.
In my city we have excellent boys' day schools --believe me, world famous for learning-- yet nice families send their nice sons out of town for years. When the boys return to visit, they have big hats but small hearts. They behave with no manners, no respect. Everyone sees it happen yet no one is asking WHY.
Then they go over to Yerushalayim and roam around, throwing rocks to kill Jewish people---as though no parent or moreh has ever taught them tzor meyrah v'oseh tov.
I am asking sincerely why Jewish parents are not raising their own sons babayis. ”
Thanks, I needed a good laugh
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Jul 20, 2009 at 06:29 AM Mom of Many Says:
“ The names of these bochrim should be publicized.
This way girls know who these best boys in Lakewood are when they are redd shidduchim.
Abusive, agressive animals. Avoid them at all costs. ”
Wow! Do I agree with you! Something like this brings out the true personality of a person, even as the Gemara says.... it's one of the 'kaf's'. I would never let my daughter marry one of these boys. The list SHOULD be made public.
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Jul 20, 2009 at 06:09 AM Anonymous Says:
These Boys should not be deported they should do hard time in jail. We are a nation that lives our lives based on a Toras Chaim. What does our Torah say about the actions of these rioters. They are Mazikim damagers. It doesn't make a diffrence what your cause is there is never an excuse to damage a fellow Jew. Everything they destroyed needs to be replaced. That cost is going to fall on the Klal which is the Taxpayers. They are in effect stealing from over a Million innocent Jews.The only way to be Mechaper for their crime is to pay for the damages. That is what our Torah tells us. The Holy Day of Yom Kippur is not Mechaper for this Aveira. A Bais Din should convene and rule that these rioters have to pay for the damage that they caused, even if it is in absentia. The people who did this know who they are and if they think that there are no consequences to their actions they are going to be in for a big surprise when they reach the Olam Haemes. These people need to seek guidance and start to pay back the City of Yerushalyim for what they did, they have no other alternative.
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Jul 20, 2009 at 03:17 AM Anonymous Says:
how come no rabba has yet come out for or against the protests, let them show they can really wear the pants in the house (not just on their feet)
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Jul 20, 2009 at 01:41 AM Ben Waxman Says:
“ When Israel deported arabs for rioting and other acts of violence, the UN comdemned them. Will they be doing the same for these Yeshiva Bochurim. ”
There is no comparison. The arabs are citizens of Israel or residents of the PA. The "boys" are US citizens convicted of crimes in a foreign country. Absolutely no different that if they were arrested in London.
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Jul 20, 2009 at 12:46 AM ben Dov Ber Says:
You are all fools!!!! At the end of the day, what do you want? You want them to keep shobbos, right? By Burning dumpsters, spitting on Journalists, a fighting with police, you give a bad name to yiddishkiet, and you make people like me not want to be associated with you. The worst part is, the chilonim see you acting like a bunch of wild dogs, and they say to them “why would I ever want to be a part of that?"
This is not what Hashem wants. He wants us to love our non-frum Brothers, not burn a dumpster if they are chllul Shabbos. Honestly, is this the way you would want you kids to act? Even if you want to protest, at least do it in civil fashion, like Martin Luther King or Gandhi (if you know who they are) and do it peacefully and without violence. Have a sit-in, block traffic, do something, anything, but not this. Hashem wants us to act like menschen, not a pack of dogs. That being said , Personally , I was brought up frum , went off the derech for a while and came back 7 years ago, But let me tell you, when I wasn’t frum and I broke Shabbos , and I was treated like this , they would have to lock me up , B/c I would take a baseball bat to these kids heads. Same goes for now, If I saw people doing this to police officers or people who Broke Shabbos in NY, they better run. Its both sick , and shameful, and this isn’t something I can just watch happen easily. I hope all you get locked up , and deported, as this is the only way to quell the rioting .
Ask yourselves this, Are we, or are we not the Kohanim of the world? If the answer is yes, then this isn’t how the role models for all Mankind should act.
Oh yea, trust me, Burning Dumpsters doesn’t bring Moshiach any closer.
(Please only respond if you can spell above the level of a ten year old. Thank you.)
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Jul 20, 2009 at 07:30 AM Anonymous Says:
As an American, I would just like to beg the Israeli Government: Keep them!
We have enough hulagens in this country. Let them rot in your jails. We have enough guys just hanging around Lakewood. You deal with them.
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Jul 20, 2009 at 08:06 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Authentic Satmar= Authentic Am'Haoretz and soneh yisroel. Anyone who does what these arrested bochurim have done deserves to be expelled from EY. This inlcudes the so=called "gadolim" of the Chareidim who have lost any claim to moral or political leadership. ”
The gemora says that if you're mevazeh talmidei chachomim you're an apikores!
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Jul 20, 2009 at 08:12 AM Anonymous Says:
Just to stress again, non of the Rabbis call for violence, no bochur is being praised on his violence for doing a good job. there are a bunch of bochurim and yungeleit Israeli and american that find it funny after police arrest a bunch of protesters to light dumpsters and make other trouble.
Unfortunately in most cases police don't catxh the right people, those put up a fire and disappear in a second, those hanging around "nosy bodies" mostly foreigners who want to see this weird action, they're the ones to be arrested.
I've witnessed it many times.
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Jul 20, 2009 at 10:20 AM Anonymous Says:
You all are talking nonsenc I learn in israel in mir what's the prob. Most buchirem don't go to riots + don't get all accitet there not sending anybody home !
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Jul 20, 2009 at 09:20 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Please explain to me why in this generation parents send teen boys away to live in yeshivot where they are raised like a herd of wild orphans, instead of enrolling them in local Talmud Torah and letting them go home every night to their own parents to raise them to be decent.
In my city we have excellent boys' day schools --believe me, world famous for learning-- yet nice families send their nice sons out of town for years. When the boys return to visit, they have big hats but small hearts. They behave with no manners, no respect. Everyone sees it happen yet no one is asking WHY.
Then they go over to Yerushalayim and roam around, throwing rocks to kill Jewish people---as though no parent or moreh has ever taught them tzor meyrah v'oseh tov.
I am asking sincerely why Jewish parents are not raising their own sons babayis. ”
I agree completely, I think you phrased tht wonderfully.why must parents send their children away, rather than take responsibility and rais their own children, instead of shipping them off for rebbeim who will never feelthe same level of need to educate and properly raise another persons child. We need to stop emphasizing Torah learning when a basic lack of human decency is being lost in our societ
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Jul 20, 2009 at 10:48 AM Not True Says:
“ Most of the bochurim who are going to be expelled from Eretz Yisroel are from the small Toldos Avraham chassidus in NYC and London. ”
Actually these "bochurim" who were in jail were from "the Mir", and they were Americans. I was there in E"Y then. They were on the street making fires in garbage cans, throwing stones, and "having a good time". By the way, they were caught on video by a lady in Meah Shearim, screaming "Mirrer Midnight Madness".
Parents of girls looking for "good bochurim" that have "The Mir" on their resume - BEWARE!
And shame on the parents that send their sons to E"Y to "have a good time"
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Jul 20, 2009 at 10:08 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I was arrested 5 years ago by a demestration. I had to pay 20k shekel. If not they will hold my passport ”
You could have just gone to the American consulate and paid $80 for a replacement passport.
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Jul 20, 2009 at 11:25 PM JUST FOR THE RECORD Says:
I happen to know at least one bochur that NEVER EVER WOULD BE INVOLVED but happend to be on a street that the naughty boys were chased to by police and he was collected with them and this happens quite a lot so its not always MUCHACH that they are bad just bec the chilonim said so
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Jul 21, 2009 at 06:18 AM art6991 Says:
“ You are all fools!!!! At the end of the day, what do you want? You want them to keep shobbos, right? By Burning dumpsters, spitting on Journalists, a fighting with police, you give a bad name to yiddishkiet, and you make people like me not want to be associated with you. The worst part is, the chilonim see you acting like a bunch of wild dogs, and they say to them “why would I ever want to be a part of that?"
This is not what Hashem wants. He wants us to love our non-frum Brothers, not burn a dumpster if they are chllul Shabbos. Honestly, is this the way you would want you kids to act? Even if you want to protest, at least do it in civil fashion, like Martin Luther King or Gandhi (if you know who they are) and do it peacefully and without violence. Have a sit-in, block traffic, do something, anything, but not this. Hashem wants us to act like menschen, not a pack of dogs. That being said , Personally , I was brought up frum , went off the derech for a while and came back 7 years ago, But let me tell you, when I wasn’t frum and I broke Shabbos , and I was treated like this , they would have to lock me up , B/c I would take a baseball bat to these kids heads. Same goes for now, If I saw people doing this to police officers or people who Broke Shabbos in NY, they better run. Its both sick , and shameful, and this isn’t something I can just watch happen easily. I hope all you get locked up , and deported, as this is the only way to quell the rioting .
Ask yourselves this, Are we, or are we not the Kohanim of the world? If the answer is yes, then this isn’t how the role models for all Mankind should act.
Oh yea, trust me, Burning Dumpsters doesn’t bring Moshiach any closer.
(Please only respond if you can spell above the level of a ten year old. Thank you.)
”
#42, i have to admit i agree with you completely, we should be davening to Hashem for the correct verdict to be passed, not acting like irrational fools, instigating the prosecutors and making a chillul Hashem!
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Jul 21, 2009 at 06:16 AM art6991 Says:
we must respect the families privacy and not pass judgement, dan l'kaf zchus, remember, most of us only know about this mother as much as the media is spoonfeeding us.
rioting, throwing rocks at cars and burning rubbish bins will not endear the rest of the communtiy to the people who are commiting these acts, frum yidden are supposed to example and i would not want my children emulating this example.
by throwing rocks and burning rubbish bins and rioting is a chillull Hashem and speculators may think that a sommunity that can cmmit these offences is also capable of having a mother who starves her son, chas vshalom.
these offences which i have already stated gives the world an irrational and negative picture of how from jews are supposed to act, even in non Jewish papers in countries far off in Australia have degrading articles about frum yidden.
acting this way only instigates the prosecuters, daven to Hashem that the correct verdict will be passed, what ever it may be, again i am not taking any 'sides' in this media war and hope that hte correct result will come out of this.
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Jul 21, 2009 at 10:14 AM Reb Yid Says:
While you're deciding what to do with a kid who's been rioting/chovel umazik/chillul hashem, think about what you'd do with a kid who's been mechalel shabbos and eating treif. Then apply that here.