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Postville, IA - Sale of Agriprocessors to SHF Industries Approved

Published on:   Jul 20, 2009 at 01:05 PM
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Postville, IA - A bankruptcy judge has approved the sale of an Iowa kosher slaughterhouse that was subjected to a large immigration raid.

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U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Paul J. Kilburg on Monday approved the May sale of Agriprocessors, Inc., to SHF Industries, a company formed by Canadian plastics manufacturer Hershey Friedman and his son-in-law, Daniel Hirsch.

Friedman says the plant will continue producing kosher meat.

The sale ends months of speculation about the Postville plant's future. The plant was raided in May 2008 and 389 people were detained on immigration charges. Several senior Agriprocessors managers were charged with labor law violations.


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 Jul 20, 2009 at 01:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Boruch hashem and much hatzlacha to the new owners and may we be zoche to never again have to hear about the terrible things that happened under the prior ownership. Hopefully, the media will stop focusing on this facility and its prior management and allow the new team to fix all the problems and restore the confidence of yiddin in the hashgacha.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 01:39 PM Simple Yid Says:

Mazel Tov! Let`s let the healing begin and hope for a prosperous future.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 02:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Simple Yid Says:

Mazel Tov! Let`s let the healing begin and hope for a prosperous future.

what healing???
a Yid "ur brother" is in a lot of trouble .... be mispalel for him

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 02:27 PM Random Jew Says:

Good luck to the new owners. I know them from back home and iy'h they will be able to make a kiddush Hashem as they have with so many other projects.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 03:41 PM Anonymous Says:

any entity formed on anothers blood will never have hatzlacha until the lav of loi saamoid al dam reecha will be resolved. Yesh baal habayis libeerah zu

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 03:56 PM Rubashkin Lover Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

any entity formed on anothers blood will never have hatzlacha until the lav of loi saamoid al dam reecha will be resolved. Yesh baal habayis libeerah zu

Agree. Interesting that this happened just erev the 9 days, a time of tragedy for the Jewish people.

To me, when a family of gomlei chessed who have 40 years of blood, sweat and tears into building a Jewish Kosher meat empire, to have it all taken away, in one fell swoop, FOR NOTHING, that right, FOR NOTHING, is a tragedy. End of story.

For me, this is a sad, sad day.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 04:22 PM Anonymous Says:

#6 and you would prefer that Agri be sold piece-by-piece for much less than Friedman paid. Maybe if he is matzliach he can do something for Rubashkins. He is taking a very serious risk and is looking for a bargain. There is no shortage of out-of-business meatpackers to be had for a pittance.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 04:47 PM Rubashkin Lover Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

#6 and you would prefer that Agri be sold piece-by-piece for much less than Friedman paid. Maybe if he is matzliach he can do something for Rubashkins. He is taking a very serious risk and is looking for a bargain. There is no shortage of out-of-business meatpackers to be had for a pittance.

I highly doubt what you are saying. The plant is worth alot more than what he is paying. Look, I don't fault Friedman, he is a good businessman and he knows a steal when he sees one. But I personally would feel uncomfortable benefitting from another Jew's problems, unless my business involvement helped the person in some fashion, (which does not seem to be happening here)

I do not claim to be objective about this at all. I am someone who knows FIRST HAND about the amazing and unassuming chessed that the Rubashkins did their entire lives -without fanfare or plaques. From a spiritual sense, I also find it hard to swallow that people who have done so much good can have the carpet pulled beneath them like that. It seems unfair. Compounded with the fact that deal is going through during these days of mourning, seems to somehow say to me that this is not a good day for these people. I hope I am wrong.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 05:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Boruch hashem and much hatzlacha to the new owners and may we be zoche to never again have to hear about the terrible things that happened under the prior ownership. Hopefully, the media will stop focusing on this facility and its prior management and allow the new team to fix all the problems and restore the confidence of yiddin in the hashgacha.

Why should we forget?? We must never forget anyone's tragedy.As much as it is sad for the Rubashkins it is definitely o.k. for the Friedmans to go ahead with the purchase. , the Friedmans are very ehrlicheh yidden. I am sure they too will help the mosdos, at least with meat for the mosdos.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 05:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Who will be the hashgocha

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 05:03 PM Anonymous Says:

I can't understand how anyone can have a tayna on Friedman for buying Agri.
The Rubashkins are not allowed by law to have any type of ownership or control.
From what I have read Friedman is willing to keep some of them on in different
(non-control) capacities. This is the best possible scenario that the Kosher consumer who were customers of Agri could even dream of.
Much Hatzlacha to Friedman and hopefully this will help bring down the prices of kosher meat for the many struggling consumers.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 05:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

any entity formed on anothers blood will never have hatzlacha until the lav of loi saamoid al dam reecha will be resolved. Yesh baal habayis libeerah zu

Although I love the Rubashkins, I still think it would be sadder if the banks took everything away. The sad thing is that they did not let Rubashkin buy it back or bid etc.I do wish the Friedmans hatzlocho bec. I want to see the kehilla in Iowa thrive.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 04:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Rubashkin Lover Says:

Agree. Interesting that this happened just erev the 9 days, a time of tragedy for the Jewish people.

To me, when a family of gomlei chessed who have 40 years of blood, sweat and tears into building a Jewish Kosher meat empire, to have it all taken away, in one fell swoop, FOR NOTHING, that right, FOR NOTHING, is a tragedy. End of story.

For me, this is a sad, sad day.

The new owners showed a great love of klal yisroel in taking on this project so that yiddin have adequate supplies of affordable meat with the better hashgacha than it ever had before. They followed the laws to the letter and the bankruptcy process is the law. Maybe the prior owneship should have considered the consequences of their behavior but that is history. The future is with the new owners and 99 percent of us wish them mazel.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 05:57 PM Hate em Tatem Says:

Reply to #8  
Rubashkin Lover Says:

I highly doubt what you are saying. The plant is worth alot more than what he is paying. Look, I don't fault Friedman, he is a good businessman and he knows a steal when he sees one. But I personally would feel uncomfortable benefitting from another Jew's problems, unless my business involvement helped the person in some fashion, (which does not seem to be happening here)

I do not claim to be objective about this at all. I am someone who knows FIRST HAND about the amazing and unassuming chessed that the Rubashkins did their entire lives -without fanfare or plaques. From a spiritual sense, I also find it hard to swallow that people who have done so much good can have the carpet pulled beneath them like that. It seems unfair. Compounded with the fact that deal is going through during these days of mourning, seems to somehow say to me that this is not a good day for these people. I hope I am wrong.

SHF is not benefitting from someone's problem, regardless of whether this personally helped Rubashkin. This was a bankruptcy sale pursuant to section 1123 of the bankruptcy code. Look up Pr. Douglass Baird's 2002 article about companies filing for bankruptcy too late. Although Rubashkin filed a chapter 11, it was really a chapter 7. SHF made a bid for a business that has little or no going concern value.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 06:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Although freidman is known as a philantrophist- meaning he has given money for torah causes - the chesed that was done by the Rubashkins blev vguf vnefesh- their heart and soul- blood sweat and tears for another fellow yid.
friedman dosent hold a candle to the amount of zchusim that the Rubaskins will get- although it is diffucult to understand how they fell so hard.

If I may say the Rubashkins have given more tzedakkah than friedman will give in his life time_ I am not looking to knock friedman but all this publicity about him - Mishpach magazine- is a marketing hoax and he should not make any negative comments about Rubashkin
i wish friedman and his son in law Daniel Hirsch much hatzlachah-- (did he buy this business for Daniel??????

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 07:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reb Hershy Friedman is not just a regular bal tzedaka, he invented a new concept in giving. He gives and gives and gives and when he is all dried up and burnt out he keeps giving, he gives with a splash and then gives even more quietly. H probably chose Reb Hershy because with out a doubt he will figure out away to give back to the Rubashkins. I daven every year on Rosh Hashana that Reb Hershy should make more and more money, because he is from the few that enjoy extreme giving and when he has what to give every moised and organization benefits, religious Jews and the not religious, he even gives to non Jewish charities. If every rich Jew would give like Reb Hershy then every yeshiva, and charity organization would have surplus money, they would be able to pay the rebbi's a respectable salary and etc.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 09:35 PM Lakewood masmid Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Boruch hashem and much hatzlacha to the new owners and may we be zoche to never again have to hear about the terrible things that happened under the prior ownership. Hopefully, the media will stop focusing on this facility and its prior management and allow the new team to fix all the problems and restore the confidence of yiddin in the hashgacha.

You are a real BUM. The Rubashkins had the best hechsher,as a Rosh Chaburah in BMG,I'm makpod only to eat and drink articles of the highest level of Kashrus. Rubashkins meat was the only meat me and my family would eat. The rest about the Rubashkin family is only an anti-semitic BLOOD LIBEL,nothing more than that. Wait until anti-semites do it to you,and you will wonder why no other Yid is standing up to help you.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 10:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Lakewood masmid Says:

You are a real BUM. The Rubashkins had the best hechsher,as a Rosh Chaburah in BMG,I'm makpod only to eat and drink articles of the highest level of Kashrus. Rubashkins meat was the only meat me and my family would eat. The rest about the Rubashkin family is only an anti-semitic BLOOD LIBEL,nothing more than that. Wait until anti-semites do it to you,and you will wonder why no other Yid is standing up to help you.

How can you be in such denial. If you think that everything was great under the prior ownership and but for a conspiracy everything would still be Ok. Are you not aware that several hundred people were thrown into jail and facing deportation, aside from the documented cases of animal cruelty and the pending indictments for bank fraud etc. Yes, for you this is probably less important than one yid from Brooklyn.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 10:58 PM babushka Says:

As a russian immigrant & engineer I understant what they are going thru! Just say tenk yoo!

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 10:54 PM bubby green Says:

Reb Hershey!
Keep on going from one mitzvah to the next! Me'chayal el chayul kol ha'yomim!

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 11:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reb hershy, keep munachas and nikur stanrds and all chumros a ben t. Needs

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 11:42 PM PMO Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

Although freidman is known as a philantrophist- meaning he has given money for torah causes - the chesed that was done by the Rubashkins blev vguf vnefesh- their heart and soul- blood sweat and tears for another fellow yid.
friedman dosent hold a candle to the amount of zchusim that the Rubaskins will get- although it is diffucult to understand how they fell so hard.

If I may say the Rubashkins have given more tzedakkah than friedman will give in his life time_ I am not looking to knock friedman but all this publicity about him - Mishpach magazine- is a marketing hoax and he should not make any negative comments about Rubashkin
i wish friedman and his son in law Daniel Hirsch much hatzlachah-- (did he buy this business for Daniel??????

You have no idea how far Friedman's chesed goes. How dare you! This man is taking a HUGE risk in order to not only benefit himself (I'm sure) but to benefit the community as well.

Is it really necessary to bring a man like Friedman down purely out of your cult-like love of Rubashkin? Yes, the Rubashkin family gave more money than I will ever be able to. Yes, we will never know the full reach of their chesed. The same holds true for Friedman. His works have been extraordinary and we should all thank H" that he gave such wealth to a guy like Hershey who would know how to use it right.

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 Jul 20, 2009 at 11:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Just remember when you have 900 counts on somebody , you the accusor are a fake, foney, and fraud. you are only out to get that person , reguardless what your name is you are not reliable.
The rubashkins are known for the best people in town, now these no goodniks were able to put their anti-semetic hands on them.
"Aririm kol hurshoim, Bruchim kul ha'tzadikim "

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 07:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Firstly the Rubashkins gave much tzedoko - are any recipients/mosdos givin it back now that they now it was borrowed money that was given? Secondly, would all the naysayers not buy a house cuz there is a distressed sale? There are different people and some are comfortable with these areas/risks

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 08:35 AM Cult-Like Lover of Rubashkin Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

Firstly the Rubashkins gave much tzedoko - are any recipients/mosdos givin it back now that they now it was borrowed money that was given? Secondly, would all the naysayers not buy a house cuz there is a distressed sale? There are different people and some are comfortable with these areas/risks

Actually, yes. I would NOT buy a house that was in a distressed sale/foreclosure. How's that? Especially if the party in question was Jewish and even more so if they were frum. Even if I could justify that: someone else would benefit, so why not me - I would NOT do it.

If I had enough $$$ I would buy the house to give it back to owner. But I would never be able to sleep well at night if I bought a house in foreclosure from a frum family that would now be left homeless. Never. Never. Never.

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 09:34 AM Meatloaf Says:

#12 said: "The sad thing is that they did not let Rubashkin buy it back..."

Who said they didn't?
a) Whose money did Hershey use to buy the dump?
b) Hershey will not be moving to Postville. WHo will run the plant?
c) Heshy, Yossie and other Rubashkin family members will remain at the plant. What do you think they are doing there, flicking chickens?
d) Hershey better bring a big fat wallet, because no one in Iowa wil give him credit. He's going to have to earn their respect first, and by keeping the former owners around he isn't instilling any confidence.
e) Hershey will not be employing many of the locals. He already has brought in One Force, a temp agency to help him find cheap, out of state workers.
f) As of the date of the sale, Hershey has meet the Mayor exactly, one time - and that was a brief meeting. He has never tried to meet with non-Yidden in town.
g) Who owns Nevel Properties, Cottonball Farms, etc (hint: it aint Hershey)

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 12:04 PM moshe Says:

Reply to #26  
Meatloaf Says:

#12 said: "The sad thing is that they did not let Rubashkin buy it back..."

Who said they didn't?
a) Whose money did Hershey use to buy the dump?
b) Hershey will not be moving to Postville. WHo will run the plant?
c) Heshy, Yossie and other Rubashkin family members will remain at the plant. What do you think they are doing there, flicking chickens?
d) Hershey better bring a big fat wallet, because no one in Iowa wil give him credit. He's going to have to earn their respect first, and by keeping the former owners around he isn't instilling any confidence.
e) Hershey will not be employing many of the locals. He already has brought in One Force, a temp agency to help him find cheap, out of state workers.
f) As of the date of the sale, Hershey has meet the Mayor exactly, one time - and that was a brief meeting. He has never tried to meet with non-Yidden in town.
g) Who owns Nevel Properties, Cottonball Farms, etc (hint: it aint Hershey)

whats with the employees that are owed money

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 01:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

#6 and you would prefer that Agri be sold piece-by-piece for much less than Friedman paid. Maybe if he is matzliach he can do something for Rubashkins. He is taking a very serious risk and is looking for a bargain. There is no shortage of out-of-business meatpackers to be had for a pittance.

Friedman will never do zilch for the Rubashkins all he is interested in is the money ohev kesef lo yisbah kesef no matter to what extent he has to go get it

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 01:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

I can't understand how anyone can have a tayna on Friedman for buying Agri.
The Rubashkins are not allowed by law to have any type of ownership or control.
From what I have read Friedman is willing to keep some of them on in different
(non-control) capacities. This is the best possible scenario that the Kosher consumer who were customers of Agri could even dream of.
Much Hatzlacha to Friedman and hopefully this will help bring down the prices of kosher meat for the many struggling consumers.

what the govt is demanding the the rubashkins have nothing to do with agri is 1000% unconstitutional. unfortunately, the rubashkins have no money and no fight left in them to challenge the govt on this. If friedman would not have come on board the creditors would have no choice but to deal with the rubashkins. Do people know that assets belonging to the rubashkins not included in the bankruptcy are being surreptitiously pursued by friedman trying to pull the rug from under the rubashkins? It is one thing to be a vulture, but to do what he is doing in regard to other assets is mamesh retzicha

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 01:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reb. Hersh
Keep it on for Benei Yeshiva

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 02:29 PM Hate em Tatem Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

what the govt is demanding the the rubashkins have nothing to do with agri is 1000% unconstitutional. unfortunately, the rubashkins have no money and no fight left in them to challenge the govt on this. If friedman would not have come on board the creditors would have no choice but to deal with the rubashkins. Do people know that assets belonging to the rubashkins not included in the bankruptcy are being surreptitiously pursued by friedman trying to pull the rug from under the rubashkins? It is one thing to be a vulture, but to do what he is doing in regard to other assets is mamesh retzicha

“ what the govt is demanding the the rubashkins have nothing to do with agri is 1000% unconstitutional"

Huh? Any person or business filing bankruptcy has a pre-bankruptcy preference period where the debtor must give back certain things to the bankruptcy estate. Therefore, Friedman, who bought Agri through a bankruptcy sale, has a right to garner what the bankruptcy law allows.

I do not know what you are referring to concerning this being unconstitutional. Perhaps you mean the takings clause of the 5th amendment. That disallows the government from taking land for public use without just compensation.

Here, there was no taking. This was a bankruptcy case.

I fully agree that the Rubashkins were totally mistreated. A family that does a tremendous amount of chesed and tzedakah deserves better. The witch hunt was dispicable. Be that as it may, Friedman has done nothing wrong.

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 02:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

I can't understand how anyone can have a tayna on Friedman for buying Agri.
The Rubashkins are not allowed by law to have any type of ownership or control.
From what I have read Friedman is willing to keep some of them on in different
(non-control) capacities. This is the best possible scenario that the Kosher consumer who were customers of Agri could even dream of.
Much Hatzlacha to Friedman and hopefully this will help bring down the prices of kosher meat for the many struggling consumers.

friedman will charge much more than rubashkin I for one will never bli neder use any product borne out of this venture.

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 02:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

How can you be in such denial. If you think that everything was great under the prior ownership and but for a conspiracy everything would still be Ok. Are you not aware that several hundred people were thrown into jail and facing deportation, aside from the documented cases of animal cruelty and the pending indictments for bank fraud etc. Yes, for you this is probably less important than one yid from Brooklyn.

Animal cruelty? you believe the Peta allegations? any schechitah that does not hang the behaimah immediately after schechita will have the same result i.e. the behaimah will look alive for a couple of minutes after schitah. if not for rubashkins chumrah of schchita munachas they wouldnt have run into this problem with Peta

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 03:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Hate em Tatem Says:

“ what the govt is demanding the the rubashkins have nothing to do with agri is 1000% unconstitutional"

Huh? Any person or business filing bankruptcy has a pre-bankruptcy preference period where the debtor must give back certain things to the bankruptcy estate. Therefore, Friedman, who bought Agri through a bankruptcy sale, has a right to garner what the bankruptcy law allows.

I do not know what you are referring to concerning this being unconstitutional. Perhaps you mean the takings clause of the 5th amendment. That disallows the government from taking land for public use without just compensation.

Here, there was no taking. This was a bankruptcy case.

I fully agree that the Rubashkins were totally mistreated. A family that does a tremendous amount of chesed and tzedakah deserves better. The witch hunt was dispicable. Be that as it may, Friedman has done nothing wrong.

Right, disregard halacha, garner what the bankruptcy laws allow. exactly my point i couldn't quantify that statement any better

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 02:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Hate em Tatem Says:

“ what the govt is demanding the the rubashkins have nothing to do with agri is 1000% unconstitutional"

Huh? Any person or business filing bankruptcy has a pre-bankruptcy preference period where the debtor must give back certain things to the bankruptcy estate. Therefore, Friedman, who bought Agri through a bankruptcy sale, has a right to garner what the bankruptcy law allows.

I do not know what you are referring to concerning this being unconstitutional. Perhaps you mean the takings clause of the 5th amendment. That disallows the government from taking land for public use without just compensation.

Here, there was no taking. This was a bankruptcy case.

I fully agree that the Rubashkins were totally mistreated. A family that does a tremendous amount of chesed and tzedakah deserves better. The witch hunt was dispicable. Be that as it may, Friedman has done nothing wrong.

capitalism 101 the govt has no right to dictate who and what friedman can hire and in what capacity they are hired. the govt has no right to search for bidders for agri predicated on the promise that the rubashkins cannot be an entity involved in the new company. They did all of the above, that is unconstitutional and probably illegal.

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 03:55 PM concerned Says:

wow instead of a word trial about the Rubashkins,all this wailing on who is a more generous jew, a little more torah learning?!

#35 sorry the government has that right (check out buyers)under several statutes. This is not a constitutional question. The constitution does not spell out each and every law.

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 04:15 PM Litvak Says:

Reply to #35  
Anonymous Says:

capitalism 101 the govt has no right to dictate who and what friedman can hire and in what capacity they are hired. the govt has no right to search for bidders for agri predicated on the promise that the rubashkins cannot be an entity involved in the new company. They did all of the above, that is unconstitutional and probably illegal.

I would love to pasken shaylos the same way you know American law. Just shoot from the hip and do not care if you know what you are talking about.

You don't even know enough for me to argue back.

All you Rubashkin lovers that just want chessed for your anointed one, but cannot stand someone else buying the plant. Grow up. Don't preach ahavat re'echa if you can't do it yourself

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 07:28 PM Says:

Reply to #36  
concerned Says:

wow instead of a word trial about the Rubashkins,all this wailing on who is a more generous jew, a little more torah learning?!

#35 sorry the government has that right (check out buyers)under several statutes. This is not a constitutional question. The constitution does not spell out each and every law.

Rubashkin is on trial because he messed up and got caught. His supporters will have conspiracy theories for years, but those that have dealt with him on a business level, know what kind of a person he and his family is and, as the adage says 'what comes around, goes around'.

No one is happy for the immense tzores that he has, but we must remember that everything is mida k'neget midah.

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 09:04 PM Scientist Says:

Reply to #37  
Litvak Says:

I would love to pasken shaylos the same way you know American law. Just shoot from the hip and do not care if you know what you are talking about.

You don't even know enough for me to argue back.

All you Rubashkin lovers that just want chessed for your anointed one, but cannot stand someone else buying the plant. Grow up. Don't preach ahavat re'echa if you can't do it yourself

You hear the term Rubashkin Lover being bandied out on the posts, (with a certain venom, usually) Which begs the question. You, who bash the 'lovers' - and all regular folks out there, did you ever wonder WHY there are so many 'Rubashkin Lovers' out there? Why, indeed?

Usually, people side with rich, powerful people because it pays to be connected. But when that person loses that status, out goes the friends.

With Rubashkin, that is not the case. People all over the USA and CANADA, indeed the world over, are genuinely heartbroken for this man. Did you ever think of asking yourselves: Why?

It cannot be because of good PR - Rubashkin bombed on that.
It cannot be because of they are powerful - they are powerless.
Ditto for money. They have none today.

So indeed ask yourself WHY. Why this love, this adoration, this veneration. This readiness to jump to their defense, no matter the charges, no matter the media view, no matter all the allegations.

Indeed, why?

Do you think this is some huge conspiracy? They induced us into a spell? Do you think we are all hood winked? Do you think we are idiots? Uneducated? Indeed, why?

To know the answer, you have to know Rubashkin. A family like theirs is rare. Not because they give tzedaka, they are BEYOND tzedaka. They give a new definition to the meaning of the terms selfless, humble, sincerity, and goodness: They are selfless beyond selfless; they exude humility beyond humility; they are goodness beyond goodness; and sincere beyond sincere.

They are not the tzedaka of signs on buildings and of dinners, but of widows and orphans and unknown and unwanted ones; of the hungry and the unconnected, of the small people and the hurt people. They are not the tzedaka of the check, but of the-shirt- off-their-back, of tehillim and true tears.

So, unless you know, you don't know. And if you know, you understand. You understand that there exists no yardstick large enough to measure their goodness. And you'll understand that the outpouring and love towards these unsung people will continue on and on.

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 Jul 21, 2009 at 08:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
Cult-Like Lover of Rubashkin Says:

Actually, yes. I would NOT buy a house that was in a distressed sale/foreclosure. How's that? Especially if the party in question was Jewish and even more so if they were frum. Even if I could justify that: someone else would benefit, so why not me - I would NOT do it.

If I had enough $$$ I would buy the house to give it back to owner. But I would never be able to sleep well at night if I bought a house in foreclosure from a frum family that would now be left homeless. Never. Never. Never.

I would also not, however the point is that if it's for sale then it's for sale. People are entitled to buy - would you rather Tyson's buy it??? Also, if they were giving tzedaka with borrowed money, I would expect mosdos to give it back to them-why aren't they???

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 Jul 22, 2009 at 05:25 AM True Yid Says:

Reply to #39  
Scientist Says:

You hear the term Rubashkin Lover being bandied out on the posts, (with a certain venom, usually) Which begs the question. You, who bash the 'lovers' - and all regular folks out there, did you ever wonder WHY there are so many 'Rubashkin Lovers' out there? Why, indeed?

Usually, people side with rich, powerful people because it pays to be connected. But when that person loses that status, out goes the friends.

With Rubashkin, that is not the case. People all over the USA and CANADA, indeed the world over, are genuinely heartbroken for this man. Did you ever think of asking yourselves: Why?

It cannot be because of good PR - Rubashkin bombed on that.
It cannot be because of they are powerful - they are powerless.
Ditto for money. They have none today.

So indeed ask yourself WHY. Why this love, this adoration, this veneration. This readiness to jump to their defense, no matter the charges, no matter the media view, no matter all the allegations.

Indeed, why?

Do you think this is some huge conspiracy? They induced us into a spell? Do you think we are all hood winked? Do you think we are idiots? Uneducated? Indeed, why?

To know the answer, you have to know Rubashkin. A family like theirs is rare. Not because they give tzedaka, they are BEYOND tzedaka. They give a new definition to the meaning of the terms selfless, humble, sincerity, and goodness: They are selfless beyond selfless; they exude humility beyond humility; they are goodness beyond goodness; and sincere beyond sincere.

They are not the tzedaka of signs on buildings and of dinners, but of widows and orphans and unknown and unwanted ones; of the hungry and the unconnected, of the small people and the hurt people. They are not the tzedaka of the check, but of the-shirt- off-their-back, of tehillim and true tears.

So, unless you know, you don't know. And if you know, you understand. You understand that there exists no yardstick large enough to measure their goodness. And you'll understand that the outpouring and love towards these unsung people will continue on and on.

You have explained nothing. Those that love the Rubashkin family - they love Moshe Rubashkin sitting in jail now? They love his son who would rather tell lies to a grand jury than tell the emes?

There are many, many businesses that went broke because of the predatory actions of the Rubashkin Family. The entire state of Florida was almost completely free of competition because there was a price war that destroyed many businesses. There was enough business for all, but greed was more important than anything else.

Why do they believe that this is a huge plot tp get Rubashkin? Why do they believe that he was set up? That he has no money? That his kashrus was better than anyone elses? That he has 'chumros' that no one holds from, but secret kulos' that he denies? It took a long time for the OU to convince him how to be menaker like everyone else.
It boils down to this - it seems that this is now Lubavitch against Yiddishkeit. No one believes that a dead Rebbe will come back to life except Lubavitch. And that is the unifying theme througt this farce. Lubavitch have their own agenda, opposite the rest of Yiddishkeit, and they are trying to ram it down our throats.

I stand with the rest of yiddishkeit and say that Torah comes from Sinai, not 770. To those that see that the Rubashkins can do no wrong, but the rest of us are 'jealous' or any other vicous name that I have seen called on these pages - don't accuse anyone of anything unless you look at your words, first.

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 Jul 22, 2009 at 08:12 AM Hindy Says:

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moshe Says:

whats with the employees that are owed money

My husband worked there over 8 years, crazy hours and they still owe him money. We keep on being promised that we will get it. Yeah, yeah..the store is in business but many hardworking employess are owed money. It's unfair

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 Jul 22, 2009 at 10:03 AM Says:

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Hindy Says:

My husband worked there over 8 years, crazy hours and they still owe him money. We keep on being promised that we will get it. Yeah, yeah..the store is in business but many hardworking employess are owed money. It's unfair

What you are describing is geneiva. There are many people that would not believe you at all. Can you elaborate??

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 Jul 22, 2009 at 10:02 AM Says:

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Scientist Says:

You hear the term Rubashkin Lover being bandied out on the posts, (with a certain venom, usually) Which begs the question. You, who bash the 'lovers' - and all regular folks out there, did you ever wonder WHY there are so many 'Rubashkin Lovers' out there? Why, indeed?

Usually, people side with rich, powerful people because it pays to be connected. But when that person loses that status, out goes the friends.

With Rubashkin, that is not the case. People all over the USA and CANADA, indeed the world over, are genuinely heartbroken for this man. Did you ever think of asking yourselves: Why?

It cannot be because of good PR - Rubashkin bombed on that.
It cannot be because of they are powerful - they are powerless.
Ditto for money. They have none today.

So indeed ask yourself WHY. Why this love, this adoration, this veneration. This readiness to jump to their defense, no matter the charges, no matter the media view, no matter all the allegations.

Indeed, why?

Do you think this is some huge conspiracy? They induced us into a spell? Do you think we are all hood winked? Do you think we are idiots? Uneducated? Indeed, why?

To know the answer, you have to know Rubashkin. A family like theirs is rare. Not because they give tzedaka, they are BEYOND tzedaka. They give a new definition to the meaning of the terms selfless, humble, sincerity, and goodness: They are selfless beyond selfless; they exude humility beyond humility; they are goodness beyond goodness; and sincere beyond sincere.

They are not the tzedaka of signs on buildings and of dinners, but of widows and orphans and unknown and unwanted ones; of the hungry and the unconnected, of the small people and the hurt people. They are not the tzedaka of the check, but of the-shirt- off-their-back, of tehillim and true tears.

So, unless you know, you don't know. And if you know, you understand. You understand that there exists no yardstick large enough to measure their goodness. And you'll understand that the outpouring and love towards these unsung people will continue on and on.

"It cannot be because of good PR - Rubashkin bombed on that.
It cannot be because of they are powerful - they are powerless.
Ditto for money. They have none today."

The Springfiels Group was set up to keep the family in business, apart from the plant in Iowa. Money that was supposed to go to the plant was diverted to buy meat from South America and elsewhere. The company operates with the hechsherof the OU, but uses other groups to actually supervise the shechita. Weismandl here, CHK there, Separdic approval elsewhere.

They have been under the radar and have ben very quiet about operations. They still have their power and money, intact.


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 Jul 22, 2009 at 12:45 PM Anonymous Says:

I wonder if Freidman will take over supporting the Yeshiva in Postville, which until now was completely underwritten by the Rubashkin family.

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 Jul 22, 2009 at 02:46 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

I wonder if Freidman will take over supporting the Yeshiva in Postville, which until now was completely underwritten by the Rubashkin family.

With whose money??

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 Jul 22, 2009 at 09:14 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

I wonder if Freidman will take over supporting the Yeshiva in Postville, which until now was completely underwritten by the Rubashkin family.

A Litvisha yeshiva and kolel

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 Jul 23, 2009 at 05:42 AM Litvak Says:

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Anonymous Says:

A Litvisha yeshiva and kolel

If he helps support a branch of MTJ or Chofetz Chaim in Postville, I woild help support it.

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 Aug 11, 2009 at 10:49 AM Moshe s. Says:

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Hindy Says:

My husband worked there over 8 years, crazy hours and they still owe him money. We keep on being promised that we will get it. Yeah, yeah..the store is in business but many hardworking employess are owed money. It's unfair

your right, it's geneva

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