“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ From the way you speak, it seems to me that you're the one that's not orthodox. Maybe take a crash course in derech eretz, 3 weeks & Tisha B'Av, and judging other Yidden. Who are you to make such a statement about this Rabbi? In your fanatical fervor to uphold what you deem to be the appropriate color (or lack thereof) of Orthodoxy, it may be wise to make sure that you don't trample on some of the very foundations of the religion you claim to be a part of., ”

“ lets take into account the chillul hashem the chassidim are causing by going to the riots:
1- throwing rocks- chilul shobbis
2- the rock hits a person and causes a chabura- chiull shobbis
3- causing the need for massive police presence- chilul shobbis
4- causing jewish people affliated with the media to come out and cover the story- chilu shobbis
5-casuing thousands of Jews to be turned off from yidishkyet-- Priceless-- Chilul Hsahem ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ Someone who really feels for Shabbos and realizes that in the holiest city they are desecrating shabbos would not say go give them challos ..... if your father is being hurt in his own house would you say to the people hurting him here is some food? Well the same is when the shabos is desecrated against our holy father in heaven we scream and scream until we have no strength, and we dont look to give challos and kugel to people that are attacking us in public.

yes, violence is wrong and always wrong, but since when does that say that you pen such an article against your brothers whom are fighting for the kovod of our father in heaven and for shabbos the holy day of rest in our heiliger torah shdodt, and the demonstrators didnt hurt anyone (as far as I know) except set fire (although of course wrong and uncivilized -- and I am also ashamed of the tiny minority that did do these things) to some garbage cans ......and if the chiloinim get their way on this issue of shabbos I can tell you they will change the status quo of all the roads in the holy city very quickly? And why neglect to mention the perpetrators of the garbage burning were a tiny, tiny minority of the large oilam at demonstrations. And why dont you people in the States pen an article (unless I havn't seen them from my perch in Jerusalem) aganst the public & city certified chillul shabbos?

The status-quo has not been touched for many, many years and this is the first time the chiloinim, under a new mayor, elected with frummer support has dared to change the status-quo.

On the issue of the imprisoned woman we have heard only the hospital's side in a public forum and therefore its very hard to comment on, but the demonstrator's side we have not heard, but the fact that the authorities let the woman out tells me something ...... The syndrome they are accusing her of is a distinct type and very debatable, but the frummer are suggesting the woman was mistreated in prison, also put together with hardened criminals, guilty before a trial and rumors have it the baby was given chemo for no reason, was in a cancer ward for no reason (espescially - as the authorities would have it - the baby was suffering from mal-nutrition so why was the baby in a cancer ward?) and where is the video - which the hospital refuses to show - of the woman pulling the feeding tube from the baby? Its very hard to comment on this issue until the facts are known.

And how is a "orthordox" rabbi in Chicago to know the facts? Come to Yerusholyim and spend a summer here with us, in a city where the chiloinim want to do nothing but tear away the yiddishkeit from our city. The chiloinim are runing scared as more and more frummer settle in the city and they are losing their majority and yes, many and more baalei tshuva are being made monthly in our holy city.

The Gemora says that if Yisroel kept two shabos's then the salvation will be here, and because the sanctity of shabbos is paramount amd all-important.

The rabbi talks about sending people away from yiddishkeit and handing out kugel to the chiloinim. Interesting because more baalei tshuva of common Israelies are made in our city than in any other city in the world. And when a "freier" and a baal tshuva sees our commitment to the holy shabbos and we are ready to do anything for the shabbos and and our father in heavens, Hashem - in his most holiest city - they only respect us even more!!

I am fed up of all the do-gooders and shalom-knickers writing on the interent against people out there demonstrating for our ideals and our torah. And where were the "holy" orthordox rabbis to talk about the israeli police that treat the frummer lower than an animal (there are pictures of the mishtara indiscriminately beating and arresting people for no reason in Geula and other areas) & would never dare treat the arabs the way they treat the frummer? And if such atrocities by the police happened in the US would be screaming.

Again, violence is wrong, was done by a tiny minority and was not violence on npeople or the authorities - it was the burning of garbage can, something more like civil disobedience that is built up in the chiloni press very quickly as "violence".

I invite all the American "rabbis" to our holy city to be mekarev the chiloinim. But please keep your adminishings of us 6,000 miles away to yourself. ”

“ Someone who really feels for Shabbos and realizes that in the holiest city they are desecrating shabbos would not say go give them challos ..... if your father is being hurt in his own house would you say to the people hurting him here is some food? Well the same is when the shabos is desecrated against our holy father in heaven we scream and scream until we have no strength, and we dont look to give challos and kugel to people that are attacking us in public.

yes, violence is wrong and always wrong, but since when does that say that you pen such an article against your brothers whom are fighting for the kovod of our father in heaven and for shabbos the holy day of rest in our heiliger torah shdodt, and the demonstrators didnt hurt anyone (as far as I know) except set fire (although of course wrong and uncivilized -- and I am also ashamed of the tiny minority that did do these things) to some garbage cans ......and if the chiloinim get their way on this issue of shabbos I can tell you they will change the status quo of all the roads in the holy city very quickly? And why neglect to mention the perpetrators of the garbage burning were a tiny, tiny minority of the large oilam at demonstrations. And why dont you people in the States pen an article (unless I havn't seen them from my perch in Jerusalem) aganst the public & city certified chillul shabbos?

The status-quo has not been touched for many, many years and this is the first time the chiloinim, under a new mayor, elected with frummer support has dared to change the status-quo.

On the issue of the imprisoned woman we have heard only the hospital's side in a public forum and therefore its very hard to comment on, but the demonstrator's side we have not heard, but the fact that the authorities let the woman out tells me something ...... The syndrome they are accusing her of is a distinct type and very debatable, but the frummer are suggesting the woman was mistreated in prison, also put together with hardened criminals, guilty before a trial and rumors have it the baby was given chemo for no reason, was in a cancer ward for no reason (espescially - as the authorities would have it - the baby was suffering from mal-nutrition so why was the baby in a cancer ward?) and where is the video - which the hospital refuses to show - of the woman pulling the feeding tube from the baby? Its very hard to comment on this issue until the facts are known.

And how is a "orthordox" rabbi in Chicago to know the facts? Come to Yerusholyim and spend a summer here with us, in a city where the chiloinim want to do nothing but tear away the yiddishkeit from our city. The chiloinim are runing scared as more and more frummer settle in the city and they are losing their majority and yes, many and more baalei tshuva are being made monthly in our holy city.

The Gemora says that if Yisroel kept two shabos's then the salvation will be here, and because the sanctity of shabbos is paramount amd all-important.

The rabbi talks about sending people away from yiddishkeit and handing out kugel to the chiloinim. Interesting because more baalei tshuva of common Israelies are made in our city than in any other city in the world. And when a "freier" and a baal tshuva sees our commitment to the holy shabbos and we are ready to do anything for the shabbos and and our father in heavens, Hashem - in his most holiest city - they only respect us even more!!

I am fed up of all the do-gooders and shalom-knickers writing on the interent against people out there demonstrating for our ideals and our torah. And where were the "holy" orthordox rabbis to talk about the israeli police that treat the frummer lower than an animal (there are pictures of the mishtara indiscriminately beating and arresting people for no reason in Geula and other areas) & would never dare treat the arabs the way they treat the frummer? And if such atrocities by the police happened in the US would be screaming.

Again, violence is wrong, was done by a tiny minority and was not violence on npeople or the authorities - it was the burning of garbage can, something more like civil disobedience that is built up in the chiloni press very quickly as "violence".

I invite all the American "rabbis" to our holy city to be mekarev the chiloinim. But please keep your adminishings of us 6,000 miles away to yourself. ”

“ Someone who really feels for Shabbos and realizes that in the holiest city they are desecrating shabbos would not say go give them challos ..... if your father is being hurt in his own house would you say to the people hurting him here is some food? Well the same is when the shabos is desecrated against our holy father in heaven we scream and scream until we have no strength, and we dont look to give challos and kugel to people that are attacking us in public.

yes, violence is wrong and always wrong, but since when does that say that you pen such an article against your brothers whom are fighting for the kovod of our father in heaven and for shabbos the holy day of rest in our heiliger torah shdodt, and the demonstrators didnt hurt anyone (as far as I know) except set fire (although of course wrong and uncivilized -- and I am also ashamed of the tiny minority that did do these things) to some garbage cans ......and if the chiloinim get their way on this issue of shabbos I can tell you they will change the status quo of all the roads in the holy city very quickly? And why neglect to mention the perpetrators of the garbage burning were a tiny, tiny minority of the large oilam at demonstrations. And why dont you people in the States pen an article (unless I havn't seen them from my perch in Jerusalem) aganst the public & city certified chillul shabbos?

The status-quo has not been touched for many, many years and this is the first time the chiloinim, under a new mayor, elected with frummer support has dared to change the status-quo.

On the issue of the imprisoned woman we have heard only the hospital's side in a public forum and therefore its very hard to comment on, but the demonstrator's side we have not heard, but the fact that the authorities let the woman out tells me something ...... The syndrome they are accusing her of is a distinct type and very debatable, but the frummer are suggesting the woman was mistreated in prison, also put together with hardened criminals, guilty before a trial and rumors have it the baby was given chemo for no reason, was in a cancer ward for no reason (espescially - as the authorities would have it - the baby was suffering from mal-nutrition so why was the baby in a cancer ward?) and where is the video - which the hospital refuses to show - of the woman pulling the feeding tube from the baby? Its very hard to comment on this issue until the facts are known.

And how is a "orthordox" rabbi in Chicago to know the facts? Come to Yerusholyim and spend a summer here with us, in a city where the chiloinim want to do nothing but tear away the yiddishkeit from our city. The chiloinim are runing scared as more and more frummer settle in the city and they are losing their majority and yes, many and more baalei tshuva are being made monthly in our holy city.

The Gemora says that if Yisroel kept two shabos's then the salvation will be here, and because the sanctity of shabbos is paramount amd all-important.

The rabbi talks about sending people away from yiddishkeit and handing out kugel to the chiloinim. Interesting because more baalei tshuva of common Israelies are made in our city than in any other city in the world. And when a "freier" and a baal tshuva sees our commitment to the holy shabbos and we are ready to do anything for the shabbos and and our father in heavens, Hashem - in his most holiest city - they only respect us even more!!

I am fed up of all the do-gooders and shalom-knickers writing on the interent against people out there demonstrating for our ideals and our torah. And where were the "holy" orthordox rabbis to talk about the israeli police that treat the frummer lower than an animal (there are pictures of the mishtara indiscriminately beating and arresting people for no reason in Geula and other areas) & would never dare treat the arabs the way they treat the frummer? And if such atrocities by the police happened in the US would be screaming.

Again, violence is wrong, was done by a tiny minority and was not violence on npeople or the authorities - it was the burning of garbage can, something more like civil disobedience that is built up in the chiloni press very quickly as "violence".

I invite all the American "rabbis" to our holy city to be mekarev the chiloinim. But please keep your adminishings of us 6,000 miles away to yourself. ”

“ anyone sees the RABBI'S yarmulka or am I the only one it's invisible to? ”

“ Someone who really feels for Shabbos and realizes that in the holiest city they are desecrating shabbos would not say go give them challos ..... if your father is being hurt in his own house would you say to the people hurting him here is some food? Well the same is when the shabos is desecrated against our holy father in heaven we scream and scream until we have no strength, and we dont look to give challos and kugel to people that are attacking us in public.

yes, violence is wrong and always wrong, but since when does that say that you pen such an article against your brothers whom are fighting for the kovod of our father in heaven and for shabbos the holy day of rest in our heiliger torah shdodt, and the demonstrators didnt hurt anyone (as far as I know) except set fire (although of course wrong and uncivilized -- and I am also ashamed of the tiny minority that did do these things) to some garbage cans ......and if the chiloinim get their way on this issue of shabbos I can tell you they will change the status quo of all the roads in the holy city very quickly? And why neglect to mention the perpetrators of the garbage burning were a tiny, tiny minority of the large oilam at demonstrations. And why dont you people in the States pen an article (unless I havn't seen them from my perch in Jerusalem) aganst the public & city certified chillul shabbos?

The status-quo has not been touched for many, many years and this is the first time the chiloinim, under a new mayor, elected with frummer support has dared to change the status-quo.

On the issue of the imprisoned woman we have heard only the hospital's side in a public forum and therefore its very hard to comment on, but the demonstrator's side we have not heard, but the fact that the authorities let the woman out tells me something ...... The syndrome they are accusing her of is a distinct type and very debatable, but the frummer are suggesting the woman was mistreated in prison, also put together with hardened criminals, guilty before a trial and rumors have it the baby was given chemo for no reason, was in a cancer ward for no reason (espescially - as the authorities would have it - the baby was suffering from mal-nutrition so why was the baby in a cancer ward?) and where is the video - which the hospital refuses to show - of the woman pulling the feeding tube from the baby? Its very hard to comment on this issue until the facts are known.

And how is a "orthordox" rabbi in Chicago to know the facts? Come to Yerusholyim and spend a summer here with us, in a city where the chiloinim want to do nothing but tear away the yiddishkeit from our city. The chiloinim are runing scared as more and more frummer settle in the city and they are losing their majority and yes, many and more baalei tshuva are being made monthly in our holy city.

The Gemora says that if Yisroel kept two shabos's then the salvation will be here, and because the sanctity of shabbos is paramount amd all-important.

The rabbi talks about sending people away from yiddishkeit and handing out kugel to the chiloinim. Interesting because more baalei tshuva of common Israelies are made in our city than in any other city in the world. And when a "freier" and a baal tshuva sees our commitment to the holy shabbos and we are ready to do anything for the shabbos and and our father in heavens, Hashem - in his most holiest city - they only respect us even more!!

I am fed up of all the do-gooders and shalom-knickers writing on the interent against people out there demonstrating for our ideals and our torah. And where were the "holy" orthordox rabbis to talk about the israeli police that treat the frummer lower than an animal (there are pictures of the mishtara indiscriminately beating and arresting people for no reason in Geula and other areas) & would never dare treat the arabs the way they treat the frummer? And if such atrocities by the police happened in the US would be screaming.

Again, violence is wrong, was done by a tiny minority and was not violence on npeople or the authorities - it was the burning of garbage can, something more like civil disobedience that is built up in the chiloni press very quickly as "violence".

I invite all the American "rabbis" to our holy city to be mekarev the chiloinim. But please keep your adminishings of us 6,000 miles away to yourself. ”

“ "And was it not worth bringing an emaciated child – even you agree that he was dangerously emaciated – to one of the world’s leading hospitals for a check-up?"

Until that point, his point was legitimate. One of the world's leading hospitals? If you are in Israel and you have a serious problem, you will either go to the US, France or England.

"Why didn’t you suggest to the city that parking overnight in Jerusalem – from Friday night till Shabbat is over – should be made free, to encourage people to drive in before Shabbat?... After all, these people driving into Jerusalem are choosing to spend Shabbat in the Holy City, not at the beach in Tel Aviv or Ashkelon!"

This is an individual who does not understand reality. People in EY, who are unfortunately not religious, b'davka drive on shabbos. Having them drive before Shabbos and staying in a hotel is not a solution. What planet is this individual from? People will respect you if stick to your ideals, not if you imagine things and then present them as reality. They are not going to Yerushalayim for the kedusha.

"What are the names of Chareidi organizations that protect children – and spouses – from abuse?"

Just because you never heard of them does not mean they do not exist. Your hubris will be your downfall. When you state foolish and unrealistic ideas without looking into the facts, you lose credibility.

"or to show that you can do whatever you like to your kids without the authorities intervening"

This was an isolated incident. To say how this applies to everyone is presumptious. You started out by saying a "Torah-true perspective" and then you violate it with motsei shem rah. Shame on you.

If this is the individual who Rahm Emanuel gets inspiration from, help us. Da'as Torah is based on complete ameilus in Torah, not what a "Rabbi" wants it to be. ”

“ "And was it not worth bringing an emaciated child – even you agree that he was dangerously emaciated – to one of the world’s leading hospitals for a check-up?"

Until that point, his point was legitimate. One of the world's leading hospitals? If you are in Israel and you have a serious problem, you will either go to the US, France or England.

"Why didn’t you suggest to the city that parking overnight in Jerusalem – from Friday night till Shabbat is over – should be made free, to encourage people to drive in before Shabbat?... After all, these people driving into Jerusalem are choosing to spend Shabbat in the Holy City, not at the beach in Tel Aviv or Ashkelon!"

This is an individual who does not understand reality. People in EY, who are unfortunately not religious, b'davka drive on shabbos. Having them drive before Shabbos and staying in a hotel is not a solution. What planet is this individual from? People will respect you if stick to your ideals, not if you imagine things and then present them as reality. They are not going to Yerushalayim for the kedusha.

"What are the names of Chareidi organizations that protect children – and spouses – from abuse?"

Just because you never heard of them does not mean they do not exist. Your hubris will be your downfall. When you state foolish and unrealistic ideas without looking into the facts, you lose credibility.

"or to show that you can do whatever you like to your kids without the authorities intervening"

This was an isolated incident. To say how this applies to everyone is presumptious. You started out by saying a "Torah-true perspective" and then you violate it with motsei shem rah. Shame on you.

If this is the individual who Rahm Emanuel gets inspiration from, help us. Da'as Torah is based on complete ameilus in Torah, not what a "Rabbi" wants it to be. ”

“ Someone who really feels for Shabbos and realizes that in the holiest city they are desecrating shabbos would not say go give them challos ..... if your father is being hurt in his own house would you say to the people hurting him here is some food? Well the same is when the shabos is desecrated against our holy father in heaven we scream and scream until we have no strength, and we dont look to give challos and kugel to people that are attacking us in public.

yes, violence is wrong and always wrong, but since when does that say that you pen such an article against your brothers whom are fighting for the kovod of our father in heaven and for shabbos the holy day of rest in our heiliger torah shdodt, and the demonstrators didnt hurt anyone (as far as I know) except set fire (although of course wrong and uncivilized -- and I am also ashamed of the tiny minority that did do these things) to some garbage cans ......and if the chiloinim get their way on this issue of shabbos I can tell you they will change the status quo of all the roads in the holy city very quickly? And why neglect to mention the perpetrators of the garbage burning were a tiny, tiny minority of the large oilam at demonstrations. And why dont you people in the States pen an article (unless I havn't seen them from my perch in Jerusalem) aganst the public & city certified chillul shabbos?

The status-quo has not been touched for many, many years and this is the first time the chiloinim, under a new mayor, elected with frummer support has dared to change the status-quo.

On the issue of the imprisoned woman we have heard only the hospital's side in a public forum and therefore its very hard to comment on, but the demonstrator's side we have not heard, but the fact that the authorities let the woman out tells me something ...... The syndrome they are accusing her of is a distinct type and very debatable, but the frummer are suggesting the woman was mistreated in prison, also put together with hardened criminals, guilty before a trial and rumors have it the baby was given chemo for no reason, was in a cancer ward for no reason (espescially - as the authorities would have it - the baby was suffering from mal-nutrition so why was the baby in a cancer ward?) and where is the video - which the hospital refuses to show - of the woman pulling the feeding tube from the baby? Its very hard to comment on this issue until the facts are known.

And how is a "orthordox" rabbi in Chicago to know the facts? Come to Yerusholyim and spend a summer here with us, in a city where the chiloinim want to do nothing but tear away the yiddishkeit from our city. The chiloinim are runing scared as more and more frummer settle in the city and they are losing their majority and yes, many and more baalei tshuva are being made monthly in our holy city.

The Gemora says that if Yisroel kept two shabos's then the salvation will be here, and because the sanctity of shabbos is paramount amd all-important.

The rabbi talks about sending people away from yiddishkeit and handing out kugel to the chiloinim. Interesting because more baalei tshuva of common Israelies are made in our city than in any other city in the world. And when a "freier" and a baal tshuva sees our commitment to the holy shabbos and we are ready to do anything for the shabbos and and our father in heavens, Hashem - in his most holiest city - they only respect us even more!!

I am fed up of all the do-gooders and shalom-knickers writing on the interent against people out there demonstrating for our ideals and our torah. And where were the "holy" orthordox rabbis to talk about the israeli police that treat the frummer lower than an animal (there are pictures of the mishtara indiscriminately beating and arresting people for no reason in Geula and other areas) & would never dare treat the arabs the way they treat the frummer? And if such atrocities by the police happened in the US would be screaming.

Again, violence is wrong, was done by a tiny minority and was not violence on npeople or the authorities - it was the burning of garbage can, something more like civil disobedience that is built up in the chiloni press very quickly as "violence".

I invite all the American "rabbis" to our holy city to be mekarev the chiloinim. But please keep your adminishings of us 6,000 miles away to yourself. ”

“ Although this article is well written, there is nowhere in this article any palpable pain or discomfort about the Chilul Shabbos taking place in Jerusalem.
If Rabbi Lopatin is pained by the actions of his brothers and sisters who are rioting, where is his pain and discomfort when so many of his brothers and sisters are willfully and publiclly desecrating the name of Hashem, by desecrating the Shabbos and endorsing the severest "avairos" and Torah prohibitions.
One who does not denounce the Chilul Hashem of the secular public in Israel, ought not to denounce the Orthodox or Ultra-orthodox who act against the Torah ways.
Yes, one may go to them rather one must go and teach them to act and behave better and in accordance with the Torah ways, but that does not give one the right to publicly berate any group or individual, when this one person does not berate any secular anti-torah jews.
Rabbi Lopatin, we are waiting for your outspoken comments regarding the Chilonim. ”

“ anyone sees the RABBI'S yarmulka or am I the only one it's invisible to? ”

“ anyone sees the RABBI'S yarmulka or am I the only one it's invisible to? ”

“ From the way you speak, it seems to me that you're the one that's not orthodox. Maybe take a crash course in derech eretz, 3 weeks & Tisha B'Av, and judging other Yidden. Who are you to make such a statement about this Rabbi? In your fanatical fervor to uphold what you deem to be the appropriate color (or lack thereof) of Orthodoxy, it may be wise to make sure that you don't trample on some of the very foundations of the religion you claim to be a part of., ”

“ This guy never learnt in the heilige yeshiva brisk in Yerusholayim, he learnt in YU which calls itself Brisk in America, ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ anyone sees the RABBI'S yarmulka or am I the only one it's invisible to? ”

“ This guy never learnt in the heilige yeshiva brisk in Yerusholayim, he learnt in YU which calls itself Brisk in America, ”

“ this is the so claimed orthodox rabbi who told rohm emanual he could answer his phone on shabbos when he got a phone call from obama about the financel crisis.so don't tell me he cares about chillul shabbos. ”

“ I wonder why the amoirah who took away the red scarf from the pritzah (mesechta brochos) didn't offer her a coffee instead, a9cording to the so called rabbi-the author of this article-, that's what he should have done
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“ Wait. This sanctimonious Rabbi is sitting in Chicago, reading the news and then based on what he reads dares to lecture Yerushalmis on how they should/shouldn't behave in the face of unprecedented chutzpah. Only in 2009. ”

“ I wouldnt worry about chillul hashem when Rav Eliashiv and Rav Weiss sends the oilam out to a hafgana -- I think they know better than a rabbi from Chicago. And where did he learn in YU, Hm!!

The shabbos hafgana was supported by all types and all stripes aganst a mayor that wants to remove all yidishkeit from the city of Yerusholyim. ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ With all due respect, an American simply cannot understand the situation. Any secular Israeli does understand, and knows that here this is how things get done. I once asked a secular taxi driver what he thought about burning garbages. He looked me in the eye and said "There is no other way!". In fact the Mizrachi leaders wrote up in the newspapers this week expressing regret they did not riot, as the chassidim were rioting this week, when they were expelled from Gush Katif. Had they done so, they felt, the "disengagement" would have been prevented. So the chilul Hashem is 1. only in American eyes, 2. it's onus falls on those who forced the rioting, as the only effective possibility.
This article is beautiful, and calls for influincing our fellow Jews in ways of beauty and peace. True. However, the mayor of Jerusalem is involved, as he puts it in "teaching the charedim lekach" i.e. putting those charedim in their place. He opened the parking lot to show who's boss. Does anyone realisticly expect that challenge to be met with cholent and kugel??
There is a home for battered women in Jerusalem, and an organization affiliated with it. I was involved this year with someone who used their services, and in need be, can provide you with more details.
One last point: I really do not know, nor can I, who is right and who is wrong with regard to the mother abusing the child. However, as someone who a dear relative was hospitalized for an extended period in Hadassah, I can testify that they are certainly capable of experimenting on the child, of trying to coerce the parents to accept their treatment and of worse. It is sad, and I know that I appear to be kufoi tov, to lack appreciation for what they have done to help us, but the truth must be told. Their version of the story, unless independently verified, is suspect.
Once again, I do believe the good rabbi is speaking sincerely, but he lacks knowledge of the way politics, people and hospitals operate in Israel. I suggest he stick to the American scene, where he knows his facts. ”

“ uhh im sure reb nosson tzvi finkel would argue or go against the psak of rav elyashiv and to my understanding rav nosson tzvi publicly said that no one from the yeshiva is permitted to go anywhere near the riots!!!
did rav elayshiv call you to tell you that he was pro the riots or did you pull this one out of the same place you pulled the post from ”

“ From the way you speak, it seems to me that you're the one that's not orthodox. Maybe take a crash course in derech eretz, 3 weeks & Tisha B'Av, and judging other Yidden. Who are you to make such a statement about this Rabbi? In your fanatical fervor to uphold what you deem to be the appropriate color (or lack thereof) of Orthodoxy, it may be wise to make sure that you don't trample on some of the very foundations of the religion you claim to be a part of., ”

“ Rav Eliashiv told his gaboim to go to the hafganos and same for the Gerrer Rebbe.

Rav Nosson Zvi only stopped the bochurim from going to the demonstrations last week when it was about the woman but whilst the oilam was demonstrating for the holy shabbos he was all for the hafganos. And many, many Mirer bochurim and yungerleit were at the hafganos with the Rosh Yeshiva's knowledge.

Rav Nosson Zvi has never argues on the psak of Rav Eliashiv, and notice didnt comment on the issue with the woman arrested last week. He sent his people for the kovod and honor of shabbos.

Even the Gerer rebbi - whom seldom sends his chassidim out to demonstrate - felt the need to send his chassidim out in the streets for the kobvod of shomayim. ”

“ Go to: http://www.asbi.org/harav/sermon/5767/Five_Pillars_of_Orthodox_Judaism_or_Open_Charedism.htm

Herein the Rabbi discusses the five pillars of (orthordox) judaism, and whereas the rambam enumerates thirteen pillars of Judaism, the rabbi also adds two other pillars of Judaism, because he says "However, intellectual and halachic rigor has a tendency to lead to intolerance and zealotry, hence there are two more basic principles which balance the rigor and discipline of an Orthodox Jew" and he therefore adds two new pillars of orthordoxy which are "Clal Yisrael – inclusivity of all jews" and also " Menchlichkeit and kiddush Hashem".

And so although its true that inclusivity of all jews and mechlichkeit are important mitzvas of Judaism, since the Rambam does not count them in the Ani-Maamin's, I would think the Rabbi is adding something that the Rambam and all the rishoinim do not mention ....... I wonder where one finds all the people that put menchlichkeit in the wrong place and in the wrong order of life? Hm.

The Torah puts down Veohavta L'reacho Komocho and R Akiva says this (to respect one fellow-man) is the greatest "rule in the torah" -- but its still not mentioned by the Rambam as one of the pillars of torah? Why not?

Should I tell you why, because a real g-d fearing person will be a mench and will include all jews into torah, and it goes without saying. People that are steeped in torah and yiras shomyim and mussar and chassidus need not be told to be a mench because they are already are. And by making menchlichkeit a pillar of the torah you have debased the "beliefs" of the torah to one of the way a torah person is supposed to act.

If the holy and pious and torah-steeped rabbis in Yerusholyim tell us that its time to demonstrate in the name of the torah, then they know what is true kiddush hashem and what is really for Hashem.

No rabbi from Chicago should tell us that demonstrating for the honor of G-d is a Chillul Hashem. Demonstrating - in a non-violent way - in the honor of G-d is an act of crying out to G-d to help save the desecrators of shabbos from desecrating the name of G-d and asking G-d to have piety on his people in his most holy city.
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“ Rav Eliashiv told his gaboim to go to the hafganos and same for the Gerrer Rebbe.

Rav Nosson Zvi only stopped the bochurim from going to the demonstrations last week when it was about the woman but whilst the oilam was demonstrating for the holy shabbos he was all for the hafganos. And many, many Mirer bochurim and yungerleit were at the hafganos with the Rosh Yeshiva's knowledge.

Rav Nosson Zvi has never argues on the psak of Rav Eliashiv, and notice didnt comment on the issue with the woman arrested last week. He sent his people for the kovod and honor of shabbos.

Even the Gerer rebbi - whom seldom sends his chassidim out to demonstrate - felt the need to send his chassidim out in the streets for the kobvod of shomayim. ”

“ Go to: http://www.asbi.org/harav/sermon/5767/Five_Pillars_of_Orthodox_Judaism_or_Open_Charedism.htm

Herein the Rabbi discusses the five pillars of (orthordox) judaism, and whereas the rambam enumerates thirteen pillars of Judaism, the rabbi also adds two other pillars of Judaism, because he says "However, intellectual and halachic rigor has a tendency to lead to intolerance and zealotry, hence there are two more basic principles which balance the rigor and discipline of an Orthodox Jew" and he therefore adds two new pillars of orthordoxy which are "Clal Yisrael – inclusivity of all jews" and also " Menchlichkeit and kiddush Hashem".

And so although its true that inclusivity of all jews and mechlichkeit are important mitzvas of Judaism, since the Rambam does not count them in the Ani-Maamin's, I would think the Rabbi is adding something that the Rambam and all the rishoinim do not mention ....... I wonder where one finds all the people that put menchlichkeit in the wrong place and in the wrong order of life? Hm.

The Torah puts down Veohavta L'reacho Komocho and R Akiva says this (to respect one fellow-man) is the greatest "rule in the torah" -- but its still not mentioned by the Rambam as one of the pillars of torah? Why not?

Should I tell you why, because a real g-d fearing person will be a mench and will include all jews into torah, and it goes without saying. People that are steeped in torah and yiras shomyim and mussar and chassidus need not be told to be a mench because they are already are. And by making menchlichkeit a pillar of the torah you have debased the "beliefs" of the torah to one of the way a torah person is supposed to act.

If the holy and pious and torah-steeped rabbis in Yerusholyim tell us that its time to demonstrate in the name of the torah, then they know what is true kiddush hashem and what is really for Hashem.

No rabbi from Chicago should tell us that demonstrating for the honor of G-d is a Chillul Hashem. Demonstrating - in a non-violent way - in the honor of G-d is an act of crying out to G-d to help save the desecrators of shabbos from desecrating the name of G-d and asking G-d to have piety on his people in his most holy city.
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“ i have no respect for this rabbi he is sitting in chicago and givig his opinion to the ortodox comunity in israel i think rabbi weiss has more torah under his nails then this rabbi in his head ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ Let those modern orthodox Rabbis give speeches to Madoff and his cronies, all other ganovim from his circle, that rattled the world with their chilul Hashem, and he should remain silent when it comes to speak against ehrliche torah observant Jews! how does he dare throw sarcazm and poke jokes at the suffering family in Yeshulayim? is he protected? typical modern view, no Torah view at all. ”

“ Let those modern orthodox Rabbis give speeches to Madoff and his cronies, all other ganovim from his circle, that rattled the world with their chilul Hashem, and he should remain silent when it comes to speak against ehrliche torah observant Jews! how does he dare throw sarcazm and poke jokes at the suffering family in Yeshulayim? is he protected? typical modern view, no Torah view at all. ”

“ Based on some of the posts here its no wonder why we are still in galus. Where is all this hatred coming from.

Who decides who is "orthodox" and who is "frum" just because some one has payos down to his ankles and socks up to his knees does not make one "frumer" than the next.

How about some ahavas yisroel for a change and jew is a jew regardless of their observance. The mitzah is for all jews as rabbi akiva said the whole torah is based on loving your neighbor as yourself.

It is the 3 weeks after all - wake up people and leave your hatred in side of you ”

“ It's obvious that this rabbi in Chicago is busy with Kiruv work. It's also obvious that you are not. ”

“ #76 says it very good. In the name of civility some people try to make a name for themselves as good and calm and civilised people in contrast to the inhumane people of the rightist ultra-orthordox.

And this has been the motto of the reform and conservatives for many years that think they understand the masses and the jews out there and the chillul hashem better than our real gedoilim that stand up for the real name of torah.

The Rabbi from Chicago is obviously involved in kiruv work and sometimes probaly gets questions from unaffiliated jews on the demonstrations by the frummer. But instead of geting defensive, the right way (and the way the questioner will surely be happy in the answer) to answer is that the shabbos and its holiness and its wamth and beauty and laws are being attacked in yerusholyim (in a jewish state).

Our dear brothers in Yerusholyim are under attack, and the secularists cant handle the situation that with the return of so, so many baalei tshuva OUR way is winning out, and the secularists are trying to change the status-quo.

The beauty of torah in Israel is open to all, anyone steping into Yerusholyim sees the beauty of yiiddishkeit there. And more baalei tshuva are made in Yerusholayim than anywhere else!! A real Kiddush hashem.

And its when we stand up and demonstrate for our ideals of shabbos and torah, then we are respected. ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ Have you ever met R. Lopatin. Have you ever spoken to him? Hear him give a shiur?

If your answer is no to these questions then how can you make a statement regarding his fund of knowledge?

BTW, why can't a Rabbi in Chicago comment about the behavior of Jews in Israel. Israeli Jews comment about how we live here in the U.S.

Spend your time spreading ahavas yisrael instead of sinas chinam. BTW, check your calender, it is Rosh Codesh Av in less than 2 days. ”

“ As I said yesterday here:

Fact is that the riots are a disgrace and demonstrate an utter lack of morality amongst these so called Jews, who are in truth religious fanatics. That they are Jews make it even worse as they should act like the am hanivchar that they are a part of and not act like Taliban or other sand negro muslim filth.

I would expect this kind of behavior in Gaza strip, or in Mecca, where the morally bankrupt Koran and the Islamafascits reign, but in Mea Shearim I have to wonder if all that shuckling and moral high ground is really just a front for Talibanesque emptiness and not Torah true Judaism.

It is the responsibility of the system to determine this woman's guilt or innocence. I have no idea myself, but I do know that Munchausen's is so deviant a behavior that anyone in the woman's community coming to her defense is clueless, they wouldn't know if she had it anyway. And the fact that the other kids are fine is also meaningless. Plenty of otherwise "normal" women are addicted to the attention that doctors give, for themselves or their kids, probably because daddy ignored them or uncle yitz molested them, which we all know goes on in chareidi communities as often as Friday night kiddush.

And the idiots claiming that if there was video it would have been released, that's just stupid.

No doubt, the hospital has treated zillions of frum people and done so with the utmost care and concern, so all this nonsense about a conspiracy is 1938 sheep to the slaughter Holocaust paranoia and not worthy of a drop of respect.

Perhaps the doctors screwed up. Yes, it is possible. But the legal system has to determine that. These riots are a disgrace to the race, they are meakeiv the geulah, and the fake frum filth that riot are not Jews. I'll tell you one thing, though. If I were innocent and arrested like that, I would welcome the publicity to expose the system. You hide when you have something to hide. You play victim when you are up to no good. When you are innocent, you welcome the opportunity to declare your innocense from the highest rooftop. So all these riots, in my opinion, are just noise designed to divert the truth away from where it should be exposed. And if it walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, well... ”

“ You guys are stupid, you're shouting at each other like idiots, calm the shezam down! The rabbi said what he said, if you like it thats fine, if you don't like it then you have the right to move on, if you think he's wrong then you have the right to make a comment about it, but for the love of G-D would you please stop disrespecting humiliating him?! he's a rabbi after all, a spiritual leader of a respectable organization, he deserves respect. I am from Satmar and I guess everyone knows what that means, but I respect this Rabbi, simply because he's a rabbi and he learns Torah, I don't even care if he is right or wrong, the first thing we religious people have to learn is Manners! ”

“ #60--Kaufman's first point is on the mark like the Rabbi's comments- It is only the violence by the Haredim , becoming regular habit forming activity is where the problem is and what the Rabbi specifically refers too. However Kaufman seems to conclude "the honesty of the doctors" and here he strays from being fair. Until we know the facts totally u cannot assume. How many MAJOR drug companies , hospitals and drug companies have had cover ups of all kinds in the US?? Hundreds! So please don't ever conclude before the facts are all in. Regarding the Rabbi- I recently attended a dinner for a famous Kollel. The guest of honor said,
(in a black hat and his wife in a sheitil , " the next time a young man walks in to your house with no yarmulka, shorts and a phone, beeper and separately a young woman
with a mini skirt, sleeveless and a laptop in her hand walks into your shabbos table"remember one day they could be your guest of honor.'" THAT IS WHAT THE RABBI MEANS TO ALL U COMMENTATORS WHO CAN"T COMPREHEND HIS SIMPLE MESSAGE>>!!! THAT IS AN OYHEEIV YISROEL! ”

“ unfortunately you dont know enough about hilchot shabbos
there are many situations when it is permitted or even required..
like when you are sick on shabbos and need your doctor now and not after havdala... ”

“ "DONT CONFUSE YESHIVAS BRISK THAT HE GOT SMICHA FROM WITH THE REAL BRISK"

I'm not sure where all this bashing comes from. But while we're on the subject of Brisk, why not discuss the legacy of Rav Chaim z'tl? Here we go!

Among Rav Chaim's talmidim were Shlomo Polachek, Moshe Soloveitchik, Shimon Shkop , and Rav Yosef Dov. All four were RY at RIETS.

Rav Shimon Shkop also taught Dovid Lifshitz and Shraga Feivel Paretzky, both RY at RIETS.

Rav Chaim also taught Rav Isser Zalman Meltzer, Elchonan Wasserman, Baruch Ber Leibowitz and of course Rav Velvel.

Rav Meltzer taught Michael Katz and Moshe Ahron Poleyef. Guess where they were RY for a combined 99 years?

Rav Baruch Ber Leibovitz taught Shlomo Drillman (also a student of Elchanan Wasserman) , Moshe Hakohen Lessin and Chonoch Henoch Fishman, all three were RY at RIETS.

Rav Velvel Soloveitchiks students included YU RY Rabbi Chonoch Henoch Fishman. He also taught Rav Yeruchim Gorelik.













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“ unfortunately you dont know enough about hilchot shabbos
there are many situations when it is permitted or even required..
like when you are sick on shabbos and need your doctor now and not after havdala... ”

“ This article is as stupid as a chasidisher rebbe would stand up and scream about TV's in Modern Orthodox home. As a MONTH Rav, he has no business commenting about the behavior of other sects of yiddishkeit. His hashkofo's are very different, and he knows that well. I am sure that he can find issues within his coomunity with which to apply his "Tikkun Haolom" mentality. ”

“ you are only allowed to be mechallel shabbos four pichuach nefesh not for a monatary loss so i think it is you and the so called rabbi who must learn some hilchos shabbos ”

“ Thanks for your comments. I, or anyone can make assumptions base on the fact of the case as they are reported and based on their own experiences. Do doctors make mistakes? Of course they do. Do doctors sometimes try to make excuses for those mistakes? sure. I could be wrong, but it appears to me that in order to believe the mother and her supporters, one would have to accept that the entire hospital staff, including those whose job it is to review doctors cases, and including individuals who might actually benefit by turning in the errant doctors, are complicit in a coverup of Watergate proportions. I simply find no reason to doubt their story based on that which was reported. I also find no substance to the claim that the secular press knows the "truth" has suppressed the story because of hatred of chareidim. In fact, if the story of hospital errors, vile experiments and coverup were true, the press, secular and otherwise, would be all over the story like white on rice.
The mother's story just does not hold water. Do you think that the press, now alerted to a possible Pulitzer Prize story, is fabricating the rapid recovery of the child now that he is being fed? Do you actually think that the reported video of the mother deliberatly removing the naso-gastric feeding tube is also a fabrication?

Again, anything is possible and I would be willing to accept the possiblity that I was wrong about this issue, but I am convinced that if the child is returned to the mother he would be in mortal danger and so would the other children. The arguments against as I see them the mother are just to strong.

As the Navi says "The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong". But that's the way to bet. ”

“ he is rahm emanuels rabbi. ”

“ This is the reform of yesterday coming out in another color.

Their disdain for torah and yirah is shown in the name of "sholom", when he has no true understanding of what sholom means.

Sholom means to be "complete" - complete in the serving of Hashem, not in making compromises with yiddishkeit, which this rabbi would do in a moment.

Shame on VIN for printing this article, which is mechallel the gedoilim that stood behind the hafganos. Who is this guy from Chicago to write about yiddishkeit from Chicago with his moderner shul, when our biggest gedoilim agreed and sent their followers to the demonstrations.

#19 put it best, if your father was being trampled on in his own house and in the favorite room of his house, would you give the tramplers in your own house challos or would you scream and demonstrate for the honor of your father? Well shabbos is Hashem's own rest day, and in Yerusholyim where Hashem resides and the shechinah resides, how can we not demonstrate and scream for the honor of the holy shabbos in the most holy place on earth?

The freier only respect us more when we are ready to demonstarate for what we believe in (and just as ML king was respected for demonstrating non-violently for his cause) and not cave in on such an immensely important issue.

Can there be "sholom" in a family when the family is uprooted from their holy cause? Yes, the rabbi in chicago, far away from real holiness, is being asked by his liberal and "embarrased" congragants why should jews demonstrate for the kovod of their father in heaven? But the rabbi should answer, because in the holiest city on earth our torah is being trampled on by our own brothers.

Did anyone look down on the liberal hero Obama from Chicago for being a "community organizer" for the rights of the blacks? Did he never demonstrate?

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“ The Pikuach nefesh was a complete breakdown of the Countrys financial system and millions more out of work and a probable depression with suicides, hunger and violence.
What stupid excuse would u like to come up with now to support your gross mistake of the facts. ”

“ He has every business telling what you call "these other sects of yiddeshkeit" how to behave since Rav Eliyashav and Rav Weiss have demonstrated a total lack of common sense in relation to these hafganos. Maybe even these rabbonim can learn somthing ”

“ Very interesting, I never heard from this "rabbi" before on any of the Chesed Organizations like, Bikur Choilim, Hatzalah, Shomrim, Chaveirim, Chesed, RCCS, Zichron Shlome, A-Time, boinei Oilom etc. Etc.
Criticizing people that does chesed of like never seen before in the world, and continuing doing chesed, and because they realized what kind of "Rishot" done by the Police and Hospital they had no choice and protest.
Let it be your wife in jail for 10 days under the worst circumstances and I want to see stand aside and do nothing. Sham on you so called Rabbi.. ”

“ this is exactly the kind of bending of halacha modern orthodox rabbis do; and then you wonder why we don't agree with their hashkafa. ”

“ What kind of a shtinker are you to tell those Torah giants the gedolei Yerushalayim what they should or should not do? ”

“ I wonder why the amoirah who took away the red scarf from the pritzah (mesechta brochos) didn't offer her a coffee instead, a9cording to the so called rabbi-the author of this article-, that's what he should have done
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“ #112 can you elaborate and give 4-5 samples what you consider only 'chumros' so i can know to abondon them...are you talking like a chumreh of waiting to daven mariv 'rabbainu tams zman' or a chumrah like keepeng the shabbos with 39 melochos, when ,probably according to you, 35 woulds be enough (and which would those be)?? please let me know so i shouldnt be oiver on 'ball tosef" ”

“ Yes had only Pinchus read this article instead of going on a zealous murder streak and killing a nasi biyisroel, and rich potential convert that could have supported dozens of yeshivas and avreichim. If Only Pinchus would have realized the how many people would be turned off by the tremendous chillul Hashem he caused by killing two consenting adults, that weren't bothering anybody. Just think, we could have been learning in yeshivas with a rosh yeshiva misyachas to Zimri ben zalu. Except the RSO says very differently, he congratulates and rewards Pinchus for his rash behavior because when the Torah, the will of Hashem is violated, it should bother you. And when it's done lihachas, it should bother you more, and not be rewarded with a shtikle kigel and plate of chulent just becouse some simpleton from YU says so. 70 years ago the Minchos Elozer had written "we have seen the RA-BANIM that have come out of Yeshivas Rabbainu Yitzchok Elchonon." And what his vote as to what woman rabbis should be called? ”

“ #141..he said 'what a bushu for hagooen hakadosh elchonon spector that such 'yeshivah' carries his name' ”

“ The Magen Avraham lists 5 levels of being "sick" and based on that what a person is allowed to do. Which one are you refering to?

Look at the Ramban in toras ha'adam; look at the reshash, brisker rav, pri megadim etc.

Answering a phone on Shabbos is defintitely an issur d'rabbanan and probably an issur d'aroysah, see the Achiezer and the yad remah in sanhedrin. Then again, there is always the Marsham. I will stop now. #72 will write whatever he thinks is correct, regardless of anything else. ”

“ Very interesting, I never heard from this "rabbi" before on any of the Chesed Organizations like, Bikur Choilim, Hatzalah, Shomrim, Chaveirim, Chesed, RCCS, Zichron Shlome, A-Time, boinei Oilom etc. Etc.
Criticizing people that does chesed of like never seen before in the world, and continuing doing chesed, and because they realized what kind of "Rishot" done by the Police and Hospital they had no choice and protest.
Let it be your wife in jail for 10 days under the worst circumstances and I want to see stand aside and do nothing. Sham on you so called Rabbi.. ”

“ #112 can you elaborate and give 4-5 samples what you consider only 'chumros' so i can know to abondon them...are you talking like a chumreh of waiting to daven mariv 'rabbainu tams zman' or a chumrah like keepeng the shabbos with 39 melochos, when ,probably according to you, 35 woulds be enough (and which would those be)?? please let me know so i shouldnt be oiver on 'ball tosef" ”

“ Go to: http://www.asbi.org/harav/sermon/5767/Five_Pillars_of_Orthodox_Judaism_or_Open_Charedism.htm

Herein the Rabbi discusses the five pillars of (orthordox) judaism, and whereas the rambam enumerates thirteen pillars of Judaism, the rabbi also adds two other pillars of Judaism, because he says "However, intellectual and halachic rigor has a tendency to lead to intolerance and zealotry, hence there are two more basic principles which balance the rigor and discipline of an Orthodox Jew" and he therefore adds two new pillars of orthordoxy which are "Clal Yisrael – inclusivity of all jews" and also " Menchlichkeit and kiddush Hashem".

And so although its true that inclusivity of all jews and mechlichkeit are important mitzvas of Judaism, since the Rambam does not count them in the Ani-Maamin's, I would think the Rabbi is adding something that the Rambam and all the rishoinim do not mention ....... I wonder where one finds all the people that put menchlichkeit in the wrong place and in the wrong order of life? Hm.

The Torah puts down Veohavta L'reacho Komocho and R Akiva says this (to respect one fellow-man) is the greatest "rule in the torah" -- but its still not mentioned by the Rambam as one of the pillars of torah? Why not?

Should I tell you why, because a real g-d fearing person will be a mench and will include all jews into torah, and it goes without saying. People that are steeped in torah and yiras shomyim and mussar and chassidus need not be told to be a mench because they are already are. And by making menchlichkeit a pillar of the torah you have debased the "beliefs" of the torah to one of the way a torah person is supposed to act.

If the holy and pious and torah-steeped rabbis in Yerusholyim tell us that its time to demonstrate in the name of the torah, then they know what is true kiddush hashem and what is really for Hashem.

No rabbi from Chicago should tell us that demonstrating for the honor of G-d is a Chillul Hashem. Demonstrating - in a non-violent way - in the honor of G-d is an act of crying out to G-d to help save the desecrators of shabbos from desecrating the name of G-d and asking G-d to have piety on his people in his most holy city.
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“ What stupidity. The Rambam lists thirteen pillars of FAITH - EMUNAH. Not the same premise. ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ #151 your just prooving my point, you dont point out what i asked for so you engage in ad homein...dont worry about my iddishkeit im far ahead of you i'm more worried about yours and that is behind my question . those who mock 'chumros' are ones who usually disregard serious mitzvos which they call chumros and for such characters one has to point out with gloves off as not affect others..'shano minos deuse leamshichay abasrei' . and there is plenty 'minos' coming out of quite a few posters ”

“ The Rav who you disrepectfully call "this guy" is one of the great rabbonim in America today. You should beg his forgiveness since its only a few weeks to rosh hodesh elul when your neshama will be at great risk. The level of lamdus and scholarship at yeshiva university is much greater than the brisk in Y'lm. ”

“ * Give a precise halachic definition of 'Kannoim Pogim Bo' . Explain who is a Kannoi according to Halacha, and what actions constitute Pogim Bo.
* Under what circumstance does 'Kannoim Pogim Bo' apply? Under what circumstances does it not?
* Explain the differences, if any, between ' 'Kannoim Pogim Bo' and 'Hochi'ach tochi'ach es amisecha'.
* Which Rabbonim was the Munkatcher referring to?
* What would he say about contemporary Ponevezh, where students are encouraged to vote, receive support from the Zionists, and raises an Israeli flag on Tom HaAtzmaut? (I don't think RIETS does this,)
* Name a respected rav who would be considered more extreme than the Minchas Elazar.
* Please provide a halachic definition of 'lehaches'. ”

“ Look up the five pillars of the rabbi's pillars of Judaism and you will see they are yesodos of emunah and then he writes (http://www.asbi.org/harav/sermon/5767/Five_Pillars_of_Orthodox_Judaism_or_Open_Charedism.htm:

...... "However, intellectual and halachic rigor has a tendency to lead to intolerance and zealotry, hence there are two more basic principles which balance the rigor and discipline of an Orthodox Jew"

If one elevates the yesodos of emunah to the mechlichkeit and inclusiveness rules of the MO, then you have done away with alot of torah.

And when you have an agenda against the chareidim, as if the chareidim are less because they are not so inclusive of other jews and do not have that much menchlichkeit ( .... because of their "intellectual rigor" .... ) then you include these attributes in the pillars of yiddishkeit to advance the agenda.

Why does the rambam not bring down the "inclusiveness" and being a "mench" in the 13 "ani-maamin"s?

Was Rav Shach, Rav Eliashiv, the Steipler, Rav Weiss and Rav Moshe Sternbuch(.... and every other godol -- too many to list ...) not civil and full of menchlichkeit?

But that is the very essence of a real ben-torah. This is not one of the pillars or beliefs of their yiddishkeit, it is what they are.

And gedoilim don't have to list the midos tovos of a person as one of the pillars of yiddishkeit, because they dont have an agenda.

Why are are the moderner and reform bodies always busy about inclusiveness and civility and being a mench? And why dont they talk about being a baal midos to their own fellow-man, not only the freier and goyim and "chillul hashem"? Is it because they are slightly embarrsed of where they are? And is it because they have to justify themselves in front of the goyim or the freier? Or is it because they think the chareidim will affect their "kiruv" programs to the non-affiliated? Are they comfortable on their very essence of being a committed yid, and all that it takes to be totally commited frum yerei shomayim?

But, in truth the charedim in Jerusalem and elsewhere (go to the baal tshuva yeshivas in Monsey and elsewhere in the US) it is the chareidim that make hundreds and thousands of baalei tshuva, despite (or maybe because of) the demonstrations and different dress code of the chareidim. It is because the commitment of frum and chareidim yidden to the torah is a lesson to all and is the single biggest draw to baalei tshuva. Just the opposite to the rabbi's thoughts (that if we stopped our demonstrations and our commitment to shabbos that we would attract more baalei tshuva).

NO, NO: compromise will never work. Our commitment to torah and emunah and its lessons and mitzvos is unwavering, and we will not waver to the to the shabbos profaners also. And with this we will attract more people to the derech Hashem.

I conclude with another few sentences from the 3rd pillar that the rabbi discusses on his web-site: "Intellectual and halachic rigor and discipline: When we closely observe kashrut, coming to minyan, kavana (concentration, focus) in t’fila (prayer), Shabbat, family purity and respect for all those in the family, respect for laws of gossip and lashon hara, then we become the vessels through which Torah can be interpreted and even rethought".

The language he uses that Torah can be "rethought" is puzzling to me.

And missing out in the pillars of torah is the importance of learning torah for every yid and every second, is also puzzling.

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“ Maybe some of his pillars are not conform with chareidi hashkafos, but his article talks about chilul Hashem versus kidush Hashem, is there anything wrong with his hashkafa in this article? If only jiden would behave one shabbos like he suggests, moshiach would be here, JUST ONE SHABBOS................... ”

“ I will let the panel decide if Rabbi Lopatin is a true Lamdan
Here are two quotes the first from an article written by the Rabbi himself published in failedmessiah the second a quote saw in the Philadelphia Jewish Exponent

Rabbi Lopatin : "When giving Rahm a heter for being on a conference call on Rosh Hashana, I did tell him that if he could have a gentile make the call it would be preferable. I feel as strongly now as I did a month a go that passing the bailout was a critical part of preventing the melt-down of the world economy, and that that is a Pikuach Nefesh issue".
Lopatin recalled Emanuel's teasing, wondering whether the status of the rabbi's 401(k) investments wasn't also behind the hechsher.
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“ Just the opposite if klal yisroel kept shabbos (for 2 weeks) - the gemoro says -moshiach would be here.

You make up your own stuff that if yidden would behave shabbos like he says moshiach would be here -- who told you this?

Achdus is on true torah terms only.

And you thionk the guy that gives a heter to a politician to use a cellphone (probaly an issur min hatorah) on shabbos for the bailout bill (as if its pikuach nefesh like in the army or hatzalah)) is going to help to bring moshiach? ”

“ #169 that prooves our point ..the heretics thruout the ages battle call against shomrei torah was '..the dark ages , we need 'enlightenment...' and this is behind the issues of both sides..the arguments as usual is only smoke screen ”

“ "DONT CONFUSE YESHIVAS BRISK THAT HE GOT SMICHA FROM WITH THE REAL BRISK"

I'm not sure where all this bashing comes from. But while we're on the subject of Brisk, why not discuss the legacy of Rav Chaim z'tl? Here we go!

Among Rav Chaim's talmidim were Shlomo Polachek, Moshe Soloveitchik, Shimon Shkop , and Rav Yosef Dov. All four were RY at RIETS.

Rav Shimon Shkop also taught Dovid Lifshitz and Shraga Feivel Paretzky, both RY at RIETS.

Rav Chaim also taught Rav Isser Zalman Meltzer, Elchonan Wasserman, Baruch Ber Leibowitz and of course Rav Velvel.

Rav Meltzer taught Michael Katz and Moshe Ahron Poleyef. Guess where they were RY for a combined 99 years?

Rav Baruch Ber Leibovitz taught Shlomo Drillman (also a student of Elchanan Wasserman) , Moshe Hakohen Lessin and Chonoch Henoch Fishman, all three were RY at RIETS.

Rav Velvel Soloveitchiks students included YU RY Rabbi Chonoch Henoch Fishman. He also taught Rav Yeruchim Gorelik.













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“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ I wonder why the amoirah who took away the red scarf from the pritzah (mesechta brochos) didn't offer her a coffee instead, a9cording to the so called rabbi-the author of this article-, that's what he should have done
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“ I am not a posek just relating to what the issue considered was in making the decision. Do u know what the Halacha is.? find out as I am curious??
All this is irrelevant to the issues of violence at demonstrations by frum yeedin and the chilull hashem it causes. Not the least of which this will now cause serious long term economic pain to this poor community. They played right into the hands of anti religous chilonim and politicians. A bunch of chelmer guys!! ”

“ I am not sure who this Rabbi Lopatin is, but clicking on the link it jumped at me that he learned in Brisk, wow, but also, a big also, YU. “Rabbi Asher Lopatin, now in his 13th year as spiritual leader of Anshe Sholom B'nai Israel Congregation, received his ordination from Rav Aron Soloveichik and Yeshivas Brisk and also from Yeshiva University in New York .“ therefore, he is not worth my comment. HE IS NO ORTODOX! Look on his website, his congregation isn’t really orthodox, it’s Modern orthodox! ”

“ this is the so claimed orthodox rabbi who told rohm emanual he could answer his phone on shabbos when he got a phone call from obama about the financel crisis.so don't tell me he cares about chillul shabbos. ”