Tokyo - Japanese Minister Signs Transfer Order for Imprisoned Bochur to Israel |
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Tokyo - VIN News has independently that The youngest of the three yeshiva students imprisoned in Japan confirmed will be transferred to Israel to sit out his sentence in an Israeli prison. Japan’s Justice Minister Eisuke Mori signed the transfer order submitted by Israel. The bochur, who received a sentence of 5 to 8 years, can now officially be “deported” from Japan.
The 19-year old bochur is expected to be transferred to Israel in the coming days. Two representatives of Israel police will depart for Japan to bring the bochur back. They will meet with representatives of the Justice Ministry and have to sign a thick sheaf of documents before the bochur will be given over to them. The family will be charged all traveling expenses for the bochur and the police.
A secret two hour meeting was held between the Japanese Justice Minister and the dayan Rav Chaim Yosef David Weiss of Antwerp in the minister’s office two weeks ago concerning the fate of the three bochurim. The transfer of the bochur was brought up then.
Israel and Japan are co-signors to a bilateral prisoner transfer treaty. Israel’s Justice Minister, Yaakov Neeman, had to send a transfer request before the Japanese Justice Minister could give his approval to the transfer. International pressure helped obtain Japan’s agreement.
In addition to saving the bochur from the harsh conditions of Japanese prisons, Israel wants him in the country so he can testify at the trial of his recruiter.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 10:43 AM Avrohom Abba Says:Report as Inappropriate
Boruch Hashem. Whatever he did or did not do, on purpose or not on purpose, he will now be treated in a much more gentle way.
I am glad to hear this news.
Thank you VIN as usual!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 10:43 AM musar Says:Report as Inappropriate
This story teaches us a great lesson that when klal yisroel works together there is success, we can do the same and get moshiach if we work so hard all together.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 10:46 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
B"H
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Jul 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
it should be a haschala tova
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Jul 22, 2009 at 10:45 AM Motti Says:Report as Inappropriate
Dayan Weiss, Antwerp, and his brother the Horedonke Rov, Manchester, have done much for these 3 bochurim! They are, like all the others involved in this case, silent hero's!
May they merit all the blessings of Heaven and continue their great work amongst our people!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 10:51 AM the fact Says:Report as Inappropriate
the fellow is a criminal....he must be a naive dumbkup too....i say let him marry your relative and you support the moron....
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Jul 22, 2009 at 10:58 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ the fellow is a criminal....he must be a naive dumbkup too....i say let him marry your relative and you support the moron.... ”
maybe he is a criminal-or a fool? But if it was your son you would be very very happy!
I hope he learned his lesson!!!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 10:56 AM thankfull Says:Report as Inappropriate
wow! baruch hashem! im so happy for the bochur and his family. thank you vin for the good news!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 10:55 AM Big Masmid Says:Report as Inappropriate
Thank You Hashem. Please keep on funding the family with all necessary expenses. Once again Thank You Hashem. We have to keep on Davening..........................
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Jul 22, 2009 at 11:09 AM Shmuel Says:Report as Inappropriate
Just as long as he serves the rest of his sentence and the Israelis don't let him out early...
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Jul 22, 2009 at 11:07 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I'm confused they are taking this bochur from the japanese "chasidie umos h'olom" & giving him over to those "ZIONIST AMOLEIKIM" aren't they afraid that in the zioni jail he would be staved to death (hey they do it in their hospitals) or force him to shmad & chilul shabbos (they are trying to do it in yerushalayim) so when exactly are our (amoleikim) brothers kosher & when are they the worst ? I guess we are really into "BISHVILI NIVRO HO'OILOM" & "ONLY BISHVILI !!!!!!!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This story teaches us a great lesson that when klal yisroel works together there is success, we can do the same and get moshiach if we work so hard all together. ”
Great point there!!! Let's all work together, and bring the Geula Shelaima B'korov...
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Jul 22, 2009 at 11:03 AM Tanna Kamma Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ the fellow is a criminal....he must be a naive dumbkup too....i say let him marry your relative and you support the moron.... ”
Thank Heavens you aren't the one deciding his fate, don't tell me you never did anything stupid as a teen, your callous comment is an apt description of who you are...
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Jul 22, 2009 at 10:59 AM Andrew Says:Report as Inappropriate
What will happen if the chereidim now violently protest that he should be released (once in Israel).
Will the government cave in (to that too)?
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Jul 22, 2009 at 10:58 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This story teaches us a great lesson that when klal yisroel works together there is success, we can do the same and get moshiach if we work so hard all together. ”
we certainly could and should and must. unfortunately, our problem is that we do not feel the pain of galus as much as we should and we don't work to get out of this mess we're in.
this is what makes america the hardest galus that klal yisroel has been in. why would you work to get out of a galus that you don't realize your in in the first place.
if Hashem needs to punish us with stories like this (among many many others) to get us to cry out and work together then were in for one long tough hard ride.
Hatzlacha and Chazak
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Jul 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM such good news Says:Report as Inappropriate
B.H. I am so happy. It must be so scarey to be in prison there. These boys have been brought up sheltered (i think!) and I am sure they didnot really fully understand what they were doing. Why would they! My son who is more worldly would also not really understand. IYH the other two boys should be released very soon, I can't believe they have not even had a court appearance yet. I don't know how they have survived it there
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Jul 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Thank You Hashem. Please keep on funding the family with all necessary expenses. Once again Thank You Hashem. We have to keep on Davening.......................... ”
While I am glad to hear that the young man will be transferred to Israel to serve his time. I still find it hard to believe that these three bochrim are either so naivie or so incrediblly STUPID as to believe that a stranger was going to give them free tickets and a thousand $$ to transport "antiquities" which is also illegal in a false bottom suitcase. If they are that naivie or that stupid I certainly would not one of my daughters marrying them & they certainly don't belong in yesheiva using up resources that bright students need. And as for supporting the families financially I feel that we have no obligation (moral or otherwise) or responsability for stupidity on the part of these bochrim. There are thousands of Yiddish families starving and losing their homes, jobs & insurance in this horrible economy who truly deserve our financial assistance than 3 bochrim who convinced themselves that they were going on holiday on someone elses cheshbon. IF that is the case & it is a very big IF!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM Kogan Says:Report as Inappropriate
"The family will be charged all traveling expenses for the bochur and the police."
I wonder what they charge arab thugs and their families when they take them in buses up to the border?
Seems like the state could cough up some money especially if "Israel wants him in the country so he can testify at the trial of his recruiter".
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Jul 22, 2009 at 11:22 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ the fellow is a criminal....he must be a naive dumbkup too....i say let him marry your relative and you support the moron.... ”
"the fact" is that starting off the month of Av in such a mean vindictive mood is a bad omen for the rest of the month. You should consider sleeping through it.
Maybe in Elul you'll wake up and find something nicer to say.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 11:21 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
הודו לד' כי טוב
this is great news for Klal yisroel, lets hope the rest of the bucherim will also be able to go to israel asap.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM Simon Says:Report as Inappropriate
Its batter to be in a Zionist Jail (then in Japan) after all.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM Askupeh Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While I am glad to hear that the young man will be transferred to Israel to serve his time. I still find it hard to believe that these three bochrim are either so naivie or so incrediblly STUPID as to believe that a stranger was going to give them free tickets and a thousand $$ to transport "antiquities" which is also illegal in a false bottom suitcase. If they are that naivie or that stupid I certainly would not one of my daughters marrying them & they certainly don't belong in yesheiva using up resources that bright students need. And as for supporting the families financially I feel that we have no obligation (moral or otherwise) or responsability for stupidity on the part of these bochrim. There are thousands of Yiddish families starving and losing their homes, jobs & insurance in this horrible economy who truly deserve our financial assistance than 3 bochrim who convinced themselves that they were going on holiday on someone elses cheshbon. IF that is the case & it is a very big IF! ”
You say that “I feel that we have no obligation”. Listen “naïve” Jew; “I feel” or “I don’t feel” is YOUR problem; we Yidden have a Torah and our Torah says that we DO have an obligation.
Don’t worry; they surely wouldn’t want to marry YOUR daughter; my son wouldn’t either. Maybe your daughter can marry comment #6, or Andrew from comment #14.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:00 PM happy at the good news Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While I am glad to hear that the young man will be transferred to Israel to serve his time. I still find it hard to believe that these three bochrim are either so naivie or so incrediblly STUPID as to believe that a stranger was going to give them free tickets and a thousand $$ to transport "antiquities" which is also illegal in a false bottom suitcase. If they are that naivie or that stupid I certainly would not one of my daughters marrying them & they certainly don't belong in yesheiva using up resources that bright students need. And as for supporting the families financially I feel that we have no obligation (moral or otherwise) or responsability for stupidity on the part of these bochrim. There are thousands of Yiddish families starving and losing their homes, jobs & insurance in this horrible economy who truly deserve our financial assistance than 3 bochrim who convinced themselves that they were going on holiday on someone elses cheshbon. IF that is the case & it is a very big IF! ”
Your daughters won't have to worry because the bochrim are still in jail. Also just to let you know, there are yeshivas for those who are not so bright. Yeshiva today is not only for geniuses. At least the bochrim will be freed from the harsh conditions of the Japanese jail and they will be able to see their families. The article in Mishpacha said that the bochrim thought that the person receiving the antiques was paying the duties and taxes on the items and that it was therefore legal. If someone was offering them a free holiday, why was that taking a holiday on someone else's cheshbon? If someone offers you tickets to the Yankees game do you go or stay home?
In the US or Israel, smuggling antiques would not lead to such a harsh sentence. Stupidity is not a crime. Are you planning to test the IQs of the unemployed that you want to give financial assistance to? If they are in debt due to bad business decisions, are you planning to let them starve? Stupid people need love too.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM shimon Says:Report as Inappropriate
Thank to the Shas you can have a kollel and mehadrin food in israeli jail. Give credit where credit is due.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM Rachmonis Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Just as long as he serves the rest of his sentence and the Israelis don't let him out early... ”
Shame on you
Are you a grandchild of Avrohom ovinu?
Please check your Birth certificate..
How much more punishment do you think that this kid needs?
Dont you think that he & all Bocharim in the world learnd a lesson?
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:29 PM cool masmid Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While I am glad to hear that the young man will be transferred to Israel to serve his time. I still find it hard to believe that these three bochrim are either so naivie or so incrediblly STUPID as to believe that a stranger was going to give them free tickets and a thousand $$ to transport "antiquities" which is also illegal in a false bottom suitcase. If they are that naivie or that stupid I certainly would not one of my daughters marrying them & they certainly don't belong in yesheiva using up resources that bright students need. And as for supporting the families financially I feel that we have no obligation (moral or otherwise) or responsability for stupidity on the part of these bochrim. There are thousands of Yiddish families starving and losing their homes, jobs & insurance in this horrible economy who truly deserve our financial assistance than 3 bochrim who convinced themselves that they were going on holiday on someone elses cheshbon. IF that is the case & it is a very big IF! ”
In a way I have more sympathy than I have for other posts like #10 and others, because they are what we call self hating jews - the worst among us, and its people like them that are making the days of golus all that more difficult. As far as you, you are just very misguided and you need a liitle bit of hadracha in life cos clearly you're out of touch, so try to get some help.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:24 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ the fellow is a criminal....he must be a naive dumbkup too....i say let him marry your relative and you support the moron.... ”
Listen Don't be smarted than all tzdikim and yidin. the where azi hylig like you . And all what they Did. help out podyin shvin whatever they yid did and even if he was maybe a shmri shabes.. So Look in your self and feel gulty. if you don't have the same feeling like a yid should have.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:24 PM Shidduch Answer Says:Report as Inappropriate
It appears from these foolish posters that the Shidduch Crisis has been solved. May all of your children marry, get jailed & burn in h***. You deserve eachother!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:22 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
this whole story reveals a major flawin the satmar/ultra charedi educational system. To be naive is not a mitzvah. Yiddishkiet is not narrow mindedness, and if you promote Tzimtzum, you may end up in a Japenese jail on the way to Lizhensk. the dangers of being sheltered are not less than those of being overly exposed to the secular world. This is a wake up call for all parents to make sure their children get a decent education and a balanced exposure to the WORLD and Torah.
Not everything of pre WWII Europe should be transplanted in the US or Israel. The Shmoogleing and Machloikes should be discontinued. we live in a time that with a good education and hard work you can earn a nice living and live an ehriliche life without public assisstance, etc.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM Ben Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Its batter to be in a Zionist Jail (then in Japan) after all. ”
No way, it's better to be close to home then in Japan
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM JD Says:Report as Inappropriate
If there were no prisons for the Bochur to be transferred to, I believe the job of the Askanim would have been almost impossible. B"H that He has given us a political entity that can negotiate with foreign governments on behalf of Bnei Yisroel.
In this time where we mourn our losses and reflect upon their causes, let us all work together to make lemonade.
JD
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:41 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ the fellow is a criminal....he must be a naive dumbkup too....i say let him marry your relative and you support the moron.... ”
And you are a heartless person. Mehorsayich Umachrevaich Mimcha Yaitzaiu.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:39 PM The Truth Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I'm confused they are taking this bochur from the japanese "chasidie umos h'olom" & giving him over to those "ZIONIST AMOLEIKIM" aren't they afraid that in the zioni jail he would be staved to death (hey they do it in their hospitals) or force him to shmad & chilul shabbos (they are trying to do it in yerushalayim) so when exactly are our (amoleikim) brothers kosher & when are they the worst ? I guess we are really into "BISHVILI NIVRO HO'OILOM" & "ONLY BISHVILI !!!!!!! ”
What are you on???
You seriously are confused.
By transferring him to Israel, they are making his life 100 times easier, as well as his families. Don't bring your own politics and agenda into this case.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:36 PM Shmuel Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Shame on you
Are you a grandchild of Avrohom ovinu?
Please check your Birth certificate..
How much more punishment do you think that this kid needs?
Dont you think that he & all Bocharim in the world learnd a lesson? ”
Don't be foolish. When a prisoner is extradited, it is on condition that he will serve the rest of his sentence in his home country. If the Israelis were to release him early, it would cause Japan and all other countries to stop extraditing Israeli criminals to Israel.
And yes, I do think "all Bocharim in the world learnd a lesson". They learned that if you commit a crime, the "heimishe velt" will do anything to save you, as if you were an innocent kidnapped by the Czar.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 01:15 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Don't be foolish. When a prisoner is extradited, it is on condition that he will serve the rest of his sentence in his home country. If the Israelis were to release him early, it would cause Japan and all other countries to stop extraditing Israeli criminals to Israel.
And yes, I do think "all Bocharim in the world learnd a lesson". They learned that if you commit a crime, the "heimishe velt" will do anything to save you, as if you were an innocent kidnapped by the Czar. ”
And yes, I do think "all Bocharim in the world learnd a lesson". They learned that if you commit a crime, the "heimishe velt" will do anything to save you, as if you were an innocent kidnapped by the Czar.
It never ceases to amaze me how many disturbed minds there are among us r"l.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 01:13 PM Askupeh Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Don't be foolish. When a prisoner is extradited, it is on condition that he will serve the rest of his sentence in his home country. If the Israelis were to release him early, it would cause Japan and all other countries to stop extraditing Israeli criminals to Israel.
And yes, I do think "all Bocharim in the world learnd a lesson". They learned that if you commit a crime, the "heimishe velt" will do anything to save you, as if you were an innocent kidnapped by the Czar. ”
Are you Jewish? Are you comment #10?
We Jews have a Shulchen Orich, that is a book; rather four books of Jewish law, and there in Yoreh Deah, that’s one of the four, in Simon 252, Siyef 1-3, it states that “Ein Mitzvoh Gedoileh Kepidyon Shevuim”, also that someone who looks aside (Hama’alim Einov Mepidyoin Shevuim, Oiver Al Loi Te’ametz Es Levovcho, Ve’al Loi Tikpoitz Es Yodcho, Ve’al Loi Ta’amoid Al Dam Ra’echo (Do not stand while your brother’s blood runs), VE’AL Loi Yerdeinu Beforech (that is talking directly to you), and you are Mevatel (Ubotel Mitzvas Posoiach Tiftach Es Yodcho Loi (give a hand to him), Umitzvas Vochai Ochicho Imoch, Veohavto Lera’acho Komoicho (remember this one?). Kol Regah Sheme’acher Lifdois Hashvuim Heichoh De’efsher Lehakdim, HAVEH KE’ILU SHOIFECH DOMIM!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 01:13 PM Tisha B'Av Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ the fellow is a criminal....he must be a naive dumbkup too....i say let him marry your relative and you support the moron.... ”
I'm unsure if I should wish you a refuah shlaimuh or a peacefull departure. Though in the mean-time you should seek some serious psychological help pronto.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 01:07 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ What are you on???
You seriously are confused.
By transferring him to Israel, they are making his life 100 times easier, as well as his families. Don't bring your own politics and agenda into this case. ”
obviously you didn't read #11th last line or you don't understand hebrew he\she writes that when the zionists are good for us (as in making his life 100 times easier) we can use them and other times we call them the amoleikim we are SELFISH !!!!!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 01:06 PM #6 Says:Report as Inappropriate
thank you all for your kind remarks.....one day after the yushur bucher gets out ....he too will thank you...you can bank on that
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Jul 22, 2009 at 01:04 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Its batter to be in a Zionist Jail (then in Japan) after all. ”
no its not
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Jul 22, 2009 at 01:03 PM BH Says:Report as Inappropriate
Thank You, to all the askonim involved. HKB"H Yeshaleim Schorom!!!!!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 01:01 PM ex litvak Says:Report as Inappropriate
to#17 i was not at all Surprised by your comments because I used to be one off you self hating lutvaks hating Jews who would not do a favor for another Jew specially for a Chassid since u don’t hold them for Jews anyway but unforchently u will never change even when you will need a Chesed and they will be the only ones to help you will find a gashmaka reason to hate because that’s what they thought you since u where a little boy in pampers we are the only ones no one else. sad very sad
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:57 PM boroparkyenta Says:Report as Inappropriate
I am crying at this wonderful news. At least they will have access to kosher food.
Baruch Hashem, that there is an Israel, even if it is run by Zionists. At least we can treat him with mercy and have him testify against the ones that caused this to happen. Everyone wants something for nothing, and so many of us fall into all kinds of scams even if we dont "fall into" jail. We are not being stupid, just a bit too greedy and gullible. It can happen to anyone, and crime is big nowadays due to the recession. Many people are uninformed, trusting, and so honest, that they cannot fathom another's dishonesty. We cannot keep up with the newest daily scams, and they are all around us. Hashem Yerachaim. We should only hear besuros tovos. & greet Moshiach very soon!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:54 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While I am glad to hear that the young man will be transferred to Israel to serve his time. I still find it hard to believe that these three bochrim are either so naivie or so incrediblly STUPID as to believe that a stranger was going to give them free tickets and a thousand $$ to transport "antiquities" which is also illegal in a false bottom suitcase. If they are that naivie or that stupid I certainly would not one of my daughters marrying them & they certainly don't belong in yesheiva using up resources that bright students need. And as for supporting the families financially I feel that we have no obligation (moral or otherwise) or responsability for stupidity on the part of these bochrim. There are thousands of Yiddish families starving and losing their homes, jobs & insurance in this horrible economy who truly deserve our financial assistance than 3 bochrim who convinced themselves that they were going on holiday on someone elses cheshbon. IF that is the case & it is a very big IF! ”
please don't be a bigshot about your kids . bigger ppl then you the daughters married almost goyim ...you have to prey prey. so not to have feeling for other like you and # 10 and 6 need to go back in yashvie. ..maybe you will find out what a yid has to do... and what all the tzidikam did to help out any yid... hacham is also mocel fast and you want hachahm should do it to you . I wish all the best watch how you talk
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:53 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ the fellow is a criminal....he must be a naive dumbkup too....i say let him marry your relative and you support the moron.... ”
Hashem will treat you the same way you do to others. Alot of people that lost there fortune by madof were much smarter then you, and could have be victem your self. By the way you write like a naive dumbkup too.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 12:48 PM dan lkaf zchus Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While I am glad to hear that the young man will be transferred to Israel to serve his time. I still find it hard to believe that these three bochrim are either so naivie or so incrediblly STUPID as to believe that a stranger was going to give them free tickets and a thousand $$ to transport "antiquities" which is also illegal in a false bottom suitcase. If they are that naivie or that stupid I certainly would not one of my daughters marrying them & they certainly don't belong in yesheiva using up resources that bright students need. And as for supporting the families financially I feel that we have no obligation (moral or otherwise) or responsability for stupidity on the part of these bochrim. There are thousands of Yiddish families starving and losing their homes, jobs & insurance in this horrible economy who truly deserve our financial assistance than 3 bochrim who convinced themselves that they were going on holiday on someone elses cheshbon. IF that is the case & it is a very big IF! ”
you big mouth i would like to see your records lets see whom you played with as a teenager
You know i like this straight people who cant understand someone making mistakes give me a break and your smart comment about the money also shows your good midos like this family doesn't deserve after this past few months not knowing if there son is still alive or in what condition and with all the lawyer costs the could use allot of support
Bottem line is we all have to work on our midos bin odom lachaviro especially in this days that we all are mourning for the bis hamikdosh
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Jul 22, 2009 at 01:36 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While I am glad to hear that the young man will be transferred to Israel to serve his time. I still find it hard to believe that these three bochrim are either so naivie or so incrediblly STUPID as to believe that a stranger was going to give them free tickets and a thousand $$ to transport "antiquities" which is also illegal in a false bottom suitcase. If they are that naivie or that stupid I certainly would not one of my daughters marrying them & they certainly don't belong in yesheiva using up resources that bright students need. And as for supporting the families financially I feel that we have no obligation (moral or otherwise) or responsability for stupidity on the part of these bochrim. There are thousands of Yiddish families starving and losing their homes, jobs & insurance in this horrible economy who truly deserve our financial assistance than 3 bochrim who convinced themselves that they were going on holiday on someone elses cheshbon. IF that is the case & it is a very big IF! ”
please don't be a bigshot about your kids . bigger ppl then you the daughters married almost goyim ...you have to prey prey. so not to have feeling for other like you and # 10 and 6 need to go back in yashvie. ..maybe you will find out what a yid has to do... and what all the tzidikam did to help out any yid... hacham is also mocel fast and you want hachahm should do it to you . I wish all the best watch how you talk
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Jul 22, 2009 at 01:51 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I am also happy this bochur to be transferred to Israel, hopefully it will be easier for him, but I just do not understand, why when a frum Jew gets in trouble, everybody have rachmonos of him on this site, but when a non frum Jew is in trouble – everybody hates him here? Aren’t we all are brothers?
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Jul 22, 2009 at 01:50 PM TovAyin Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ the fellow is a criminal....he must be a naive dumbkup too....i say let him marry your relative and you support the moron.... ”
Az mehn tracht gut oif ah tzveiten, ken men veren gehulfen alein. Und farkhert oich!!!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 01:47 PM horrified Says:Report as Inappropriate
To all of you using negative language and accusing the boys: you are doing the same crime that thses boys did. They just did it begashmius and u beruchnius.
They are suffering their consequences in japan while you might suffer the consequences up in shomayim.
That's all I can say.
Please wake up. Its the 9 days. Do teshuva. Don't post if you only have negative comments to make.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 01:44 PM ShlomoinBocaRatonFlorida Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ the fellow is a criminal....he must be a naive dumbkup too....i say let him marry your relative and you support the moron.... ”
Oy do you have a bitter outlook ! "Ah Biter Gal "! I hope you're NOT a Rabbi.
Who might serve on a Beth Din . You're definitely NOT a chassidic yid, who have warmth in their heart and outook.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 03:05 PM kensingtiner Says:Report as Inappropriate
Hey since when are we all so perfect? We mess up sometime, does that mean compassion should not be used! They did not murder people, like the terrorists. Does the Torah not say "treat someone the way you would want to be treated" If you messed up I'm sure you would want a second chance to! When we heard about these boys in Japan prison (where they lack compassion for all types of criminals )My insides were churning I along with klal yisroel felt their suffering. That is what makes us one nation! If one cannot feel another jews pain then one should question themselves as to which nation they truly belong to!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 02:41 PM David Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ To all of you using negative language and accusing the boys: you are doing the same crime that thses boys did. They just did it begashmius and u beruchnius.
They are suffering their consequences in japan while you might suffer the consequences up in shomayim.
That's all I can say.
Please wake up. Its the 9 days. Do teshuva. Don't post if you only have negative comments to make. ”
"Accusing the boys?" What do you mean by that? They were convicted, and it's pretty darned clear they were guilty. And who are you to threaten other people with "consequences up in shomayim?" Did someone die and make you God? Please, wake up. It's the 9 days, and your ego needs some serious adjustment.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 02:34 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ No way, it's better to be close to home then in Japan ”
i hope you daven extra hard when you say ata chonain laudum das use a lot of kavanah
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Jul 22, 2009 at 04:45 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
b`h and thanks also rabbi wiess from antwerp. i am very happy for the bucher
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Jul 22, 2009 at 04:41 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Att #48
When a jew keeps the mitzvos in the torah, he is part of us but if he doesn't, we don't have so much obligation to him as to a frum jew.....
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Jul 22, 2009 at 04:37 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Att #53
I'm talking to all heartless commenters here that are talking so horribly about the boys. I understand they did a crime and they ARE guilty but if someone uses such dirty language to attack other commenters, they are doing a crime against hashem
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Jul 22, 2009 at 04:30 PM Abba Esq. Says:Report as Inappropriate
As an ex-prosecutor I was not sympathetic to the boys until i read that article in Mishpacha Magazine and boy did I do an about face. It is a BIG nebuch on these boys. I hope the other two boys' lawyers will be successful. Those Rabbanim are my heros, I just wish we 50 more of them. Anywhere is better than Japan.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 04:59 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Att #53
I'm talking to all heartless commenters here that are talking so horribly about the boys. I understand they did a crime and they ARE guilty but if someone uses such dirty language to attack other commenters, they are doing a crime against hashem ”
Why ARE they guilty? Are you a poisek? Judging people favourably is mentioned in the same shulchan aruch, as not using dirty language.
Bemidah sheadam moded, modedim oiso.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 04:55 PM Elliott Says:Report as Inappropriate
what about the other 2 bochrim Hashem yerachem
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Jul 22, 2009 at 05:31 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Att #59
They are guilty in bringing in drugs but they definitely could have been fooled into it. I don't know. They probably didn't know what they were doing but even if they are guilty, they still don't deserve what they're getting.
I hope they have a whole yeshuah soon.
My original point wasjust that pple should stop using such bad language in any posts, not only here, and hopefully we will cut the 9 days down till 1 and moshiach will come today!!!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 05:39 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
shtadlonas helps in evrey matziv
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Jul 22, 2009 at 06:05 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Att #59
They are guilty in bringing in drugs but they definitely could have been fooled into it. I don't know. They probably didn't know what they were doing but even if they are guilty, they still don't deserve what they're getting.
I hope they have a whole yeshuah soon.
My original point wasjust that pple should stop using such bad language in any posts, not only here, and hopefully we will cut the 9 days down till 1 and moshiach will come today!!! ”
If they were fooled into it, they are not guilty, they're naive.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 06:47 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
ATT # 63
Please stop taking every word so technically and just get the point I'm trying to bring out.
U and I and no one knows if they're actually guilty or innocent....
Please get the point
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Jul 22, 2009 at 07:23 PM Truthfully? Says:Report as Inappropriate
Well, I'm not sure if I would ever accept a free trip abroad to a foriegn country, without actually checking in to see what and why I am being asked to deliver it.
Why is this person willing to send me to - Japan- for free, all expenses paid trip, without even fully explaining it to me??? Its true, those that grow up in a yeshiva are sheltered and are not explained to them what could happen in the real world- even if he sounds and looks like a 'frum' yid! You just never know.
isn't that 'pashut'?
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Jul 22, 2009 at 07:43 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Well, I'm not sure if I would ever accept a free trip abroad to a foriegn country, without actually checking in to see what and why I am being asked to deliver it.
Why is this person willing to send me to - Japan- for free, all expenses paid trip, without even fully explaining it to me??? Its true, those that grow up in a yeshiva are sheltered and are not explained to them what could happen in the real world- even if he sounds and looks like a 'frum' yid! You just never know.
isn't that 'pashut'? ”
i would then like to know where the parents were. if the bochur was naive his parents should know better
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Jul 22, 2009 at 07:50 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ the fellow is a criminal....he must be a naive dumbkup too....i say let him marry your relative and you support the moron.... ”
The way he behaved in prison, I would be honored. Your level of Ahavas Yisroel leaves much to be desired. I don't sense any love for a fellow Jew over here.
If this is how you speak about someone who caused you no harm, I would hate to cross your path. I feel bad for your loved ones.
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Jul 22, 2009 at 08:22 PM jewish heart Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While I am glad to hear that the young man will be transferred to Israel to serve his time. I still find it hard to believe that these three bochrim are either so naivie or so incrediblly STUPID as to believe that a stranger was going to give them free tickets and a thousand $$ to transport "antiquities" which is also illegal in a false bottom suitcase. If they are that naivie or that stupid I certainly would not one of my daughters marrying them & they certainly don't belong in yesheiva using up resources that bright students need. And as for supporting the families financially I feel that we have no obligation (moral or otherwise) or responsability for stupidity on the part of these bochrim. There are thousands of Yiddish families starving and losing their homes, jobs & insurance in this horrible economy who truly deserve our financial assistance than 3 bochrim who convinced themselves that they were going on holiday on someone elses cheshbon. IF that is the case & it is a very big IF! ”
Shame on you to wright like this
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Jul 22, 2009 at 09:44 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ this whole story reveals a major flawin the satmar/ultra charedi educational system. To be naive is not a mitzvah. Yiddishkiet is not narrow mindedness, and if you promote Tzimtzum, you may end up in a Japenese jail on the way to Lizhensk. the dangers of being sheltered are not less than those of being overly exposed to the secular world. This is a wake up call for all parents to make sure their children get a decent education and a balanced exposure to the WORLD and Torah.
Not everything of pre WWII Europe should be transplanted in the US or Israel. The Shmoogleing and Machloikes should be discontinued. we live in a time that with a good education and hard work you can earn a nice living and live an ehriliche life without public assisstance, etc. ”
This poster is courageous. Bravo!
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Jul 22, 2009 at 09:17 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Att #48
When a jew keeps the mitzvos in the torah, he is part of us but if he doesn't, we don't have so much obligation to him as to a frum jew..... ”
I am curious where in Torah did you find a support for your statement? Or you made it up?
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Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The way he behaved in prison, I would be honored. Your level of Ahavas Yisroel leaves much to be desired. I don't sense any love for a fellow Jew over here.
If this is how you speak about someone who caused you no harm, I would hate to cross your path. I feel bad for your loved ones. ”
I disagree with your conclusion “someone who caused you no harm” you are wrong when a person runs drugs they cause great harm to all, every year millions of kids get addicted to drugs, and more importantly the drugs which they tried to smuggle into Japan is a date rape drug, how would you feel if your daughter was C’V’ the victim. Please do not argue that the young man did not know, and I agree it is a strong possibility that is how it went down, but don’t say drugs are not harmful. and don’t tell me, your daughter will not be in a place were date rape drugs are passed around, good for you, and every father who could say that, but there are millions of kids Jewish or not, who go to clubs.
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Jul 23, 2009 at 03:14 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I disagree with your conclusion “someone who caused you no harm” you are wrong when a person runs drugs they cause great harm to all, every year millions of kids get addicted to drugs, and more importantly the drugs which they tried to smuggle into Japan is a date rape drug, how would you feel if your daughter was C’V’ the victim. Please do not argue that the young man did not know, and I agree it is a strong possibility that is how it went down, but don’t say drugs are not harmful. and don’t tell me, your daughter will not be in a place were date rape drugs are passed around, good for you, and every father who could say that, but there are millions of kids Jewish or not, who go to clubs. ”
Date rape drug?? How are you so well informed as to the specific drugs they were given to smuggle into Japan? Assuming you know, do you think they also knew? When I was seventeen, I didn't know what means a date, neither rape, let alone a date rape drug. I am a grown person today, and I still don't know, and don't care to know which filthy drug provokes which filthy reaction. We all know that drugs are harmful, that's all.
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Jul 23, 2009 at 07:34 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I get tears in my eyes just visualising the boy's mother being able to hug her son. When she visited him in Japan, she was only allowed to see and talk to him behind a glass window.
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Jul 23, 2009 at 09:47 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Guys, # 56 made such a corrupted statement and no body protested? Bath Hamikdash was distroyd because of the sinas hinam, and that is exactly what #56 did!
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Jul 23, 2009 at 01:57 PM Askupeh Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ As an ex-prosecutor I was not sympathetic to the boys until i read that article in Mishpacha Magazine and boy did I do an about face. It is a BIG nebuch on these boys. I hope the other two boys' lawyers will be successful. Those Rabbanim are my heros, I just wish we 50 more of them. Anywhere is better than Japan. ”
I am proud of you as a Jew. Your heart is in the right place.
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Jul 23, 2009 at 05:03 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Date rape drug?? How are you so well informed as to the specific drugs they were given to smuggle into Japan? Assuming you know, do you think they also knew? When I was seventeen, I didn't know what means a date, neither rape, let alone a date rape drug. I am a grown person today, and I still don't know, and don't care to know which filthy drug provokes which filthy reaction. We all know that drugs are harmful, that's all. ”
First of all, go back and read my original post, I never said that I know that they know beforehand that they are snuggling drugs actually I proclaimed that the POROBABLY did not know and the only reason why I did use the word probably is because I was not there. As to the date rape drug, I am responsible; it is my job to point out to my daughter the danger which she might encounter out there. As to the reaction you don’t understand the drug knocks the indented victim out so the perpetrator could take advantage of the person. And the only protection is to tell your children never to take a drink or leave a drink on the table in a restaurant with out they continually observe the drink.
Think before you attack me.