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Jul 24, 2009 at 02:06 PM
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Sullivan County Judge Frank LaBuda took a tour of a controversial shul and community center in Bethel on Friday afternoon to determine if it is safe enough to remain open.
This morning in Monticello court, the town lawyer argued that its premises is not safe to use, the Sullivan County Judge Frank LaBuda decide to took a tour of the controversial shul and community center in on Friday afternoon to determine if it is safe enough to remain open.
VIN News has learned that Judge LaBuda has just issued a temporary certificate of occupancy permit to allow its operation.
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Residents of the colony on Schultz Road last week started using the large center without a certificate of occupancy.
The colony is owned by United Talmudical Academy Torah
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Jul 24, 2009 at 02:13 PM Anonymous Says:
where are all the criticizers, why did the judge issue a temp CofO ?
comes to show that this Chasidim DID the right think, and the town is the one who was wrong by not issuing a CofO.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 02:37 PM Anonymous Says:
just for information, in NYC its not a big deal to go into a building without a c. o., it appears in upstate they take it more serious. but hopefully the ordeal is over.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 02:35 PM Anonymous Says:
B"H some positive news. hope those people enjoy their new beautiful shul.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 02:20 PM yosse nathan Says:
first of all this shows you that you have a fair judge. he went out and checked the premises and found it satisfactory to issue a temporary certificate of occupancy permit to allow its operation .
second , were are all those people who were screaming chillul hashem , it does not seam like one to me . they went to court and the judge ruled in there favor.
third , that is the problem on these boards , people feel that are rabbonim who know how to pas-ken the laws of hilchos chillul hashem , when they don't have a clue what a chillul hashem is .
fourth , if people really felt that they new what they were talking about , they would hide behind anonymous or fake names.
shabat shalom umevoroch
have a good schabbos
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Jul 24, 2009 at 03:23 PM AuthenticSatmar Says:
And this only proves that even if you do the right thing, as a frum jew there is clear discrimination. Kudos to the judge for seeing through the smokescreen.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 03:04 PM Anonymous Says:
Wow! Finally some positive developments to report. It was getting pretty depressing to visit VIN lately.
Let's hope that this news will serve as "the drop of light that conquers a lot of darkness" and we, all of Klal Yisroel, should soon be zoiche to see the eternal light and the ultimate redemption with Moshiach Tzidkeini.
Git Shabbes!
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Jul 24, 2009 at 02:49 PM Anonymous Says:
It is not a Chillul H' to use legitimate means to fight a town that is discriminating. It is a big chillul to just ignore the town and do what you want.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 02:45 PM Anonymous Says:
they ABSOLUTELY DID NOT do the right thing. the right thing to do is go through the correct channels to obtain proper permits even temporary permits, this should not have gone to court in the first place it's a chilul hashem!!!!
why do many of us Frum Yidenn think we are above the law I'm sorry to say it's embarrassing that we run our dealings this way.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 04:24 PM city should stop judges orders Says:
under what authority does this judge have to issue a temporary c of o. hes no engineer! he has overstepped his boundaries, and if the town was smart, they would bring it to state level, where it would definitely be overturned! i also think every firefighter should sign a letter stating they will not go to any fire on his premises, or in the judges, since he shows clear disdain for the town engineer, who in essence is the first line of protection in structural fires! he is the one who deems it safe.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 04:31 PM Anonymous Says:
What #8 said!
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Jul 24, 2009 at 04:29 PM Anonymous Says:
“ they ABSOLUTELY DID NOT do the right thing. the right thing to do is go through the correct channels to obtain proper permits even temporary permits, this should not have gone to court in the first place it's a chilul hashem!!!!
why do many of us Frum Yidenn think we are above the law I'm sorry to say it's embarrassing that we run our dealings this way. ”
You are obviously not familiar with the chain of events in this particular case. Everything was done perfectly legal and orderly.
It was the town, under pressure from an unfriendly neighbor with clout, that derailed the process.
So please try and be informed before popping off your lectures.
It would be especially nice if at least during the 9 days, we all resist the Yeitzer Hara to demean and besmirch the reputation of our fellow Yidden.
The Goyim don't really need our help.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 04:09 PM cubs fan Says:
these people think that everyone is against them, boys it's time to play by the rules, nobody was anti-semetic in this proccess, you just thought you could force them to issue a CO with the snap of your finger, please do not use OUR religion as an answer to everything. you only give the majority of the jewish world a black eye.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 03:56 PM Shua Says:
“ where are all the criticizers, why did the judge issue a temp CofO ?
comes to show that this Chasidim DID the right think, and the town is the one who was wrong by not issuing a CofO. ”
>...comes to show that the Chasidim did the right thing..."
>> Sorry, but no...they did NOT do the right thing. Once again we see people expressing the unbelievable opinion that Jews are above the law.
A Certificate of Occupancy (C of O) is exactly what it says it is: the key document certifying the LEGAL use and occupancy of a building. Notwithstanding how many people violate the law -- as happened in this case -- a new building cannot be LEGALLY occupied until a C of O has been issued. The argument: "but every one does it," is disingenuous and wrong.
The RIGHT thing to do would have been to: (1) request the C of O from the town of Bethel and then (2) gone to court when they refused to issue it (and not react with an attitude of "screw you, we'll do what we want and begin using the building anyway"). The judge would then have come to the site, issued the temporary C of O, and (3) the community could have started using the building LEGALLY and with respect for the due process of law. Quite simple really.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 04:43 PM Anonymous Says:
“ where are all the criticizers, why did the judge issue a temp CofO ?
comes to show that this Chasidim DID the right think, and the town is the one who was wrong by not issuing a CofO. ”
problem is that you only take advantage of the judge when he sides with you but as soon as he doesnt side with u he becomes an anti semite . . Bunch of hypocrites
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Jul 24, 2009 at 04:41 PM Anonymous Says:
“ they ABSOLUTELY DID NOT do the right thing. the right thing to do is go through the correct channels to obtain proper permits even temporary permits, this should not have gone to court in the first place it's a chilul hashem!!!!
why do many of us Frum Yidenn think we are above the law I'm sorry to say it's embarrassing that we run our dealings this way. ”
Another moron, you must be blinded by hatred.
Here is a clear picture where a town withheld the permits "for no good reason" (or maybe there was some "hidden" reason"..), and there was no way to please them, since ALL BUILDING AND SAFETY CODES WERE MET, so there was no other option than court.
And now the judge was convinced that THERE WAS NO REASON NOT TO GRANT A C.O.
BH that all morons like you and alike have to swallow the victory of the "frum" yidden, that acted according to law, and made a big kiddush hashem.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 04:56 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Another moron, you must be blinded by hatred.
Here is a clear picture where a town withheld the permits "for no good reason" (or maybe there was some "hidden" reason"..), and there was no way to please them, since ALL BUILDING AND SAFETY CODES WERE MET, so there was no other option than court.
And now the judge was convinced that THERE WAS NO REASON NOT TO GRANT A C.O.
BH that all morons like you and alike have to swallow the victory of the "frum" yidden, that acted according to law, and made a big kiddush hashem. ”
You are 100% right It was stam rishyes they didn't want the shil , so you had to do what you have to do.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 04:40 PM a jew Says:
“ under what authority does this judge have to issue a temporary c of o. hes no engineer! he has overstepped his boundaries, and if the town was smart, they would bring it to state level, where it would definitely be overturned! i also think every firefighter should sign a letter stating they will not go to any fire on his premises, or in the judges, since he shows clear disdain for the town engineer, who in essence is the first line of protection in structural fires! he is the one who deems it safe. ”
It wouldn't help u anything, lapidos wan and finish,
I don't know why u got so angry over this ruling, because Jews won?, or because its zali's who wan?,
But the legality for sure don't bathers u.
I feel your pain!!!
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Jul 24, 2009 at 03:50 PM Anonymous Says:
I was in court today at the hearing the judge left at the towns arguments
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Jul 24, 2009 at 03:47 PM Anonymous Says:
Many times these inspectors withold c of os because they r drunk with the power that they have in their otherwise meanigless lives. Or worse this is how they extort bribes like in Lakewwood.
This leaves the property owner no choice but to fight them in court or pay the bribe,
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Jul 24, 2009 at 03:30 PM La Buda fan Says:
I know the Judge personally, the men is a real mentsh and very fair. He took the time to see it for himself, what a wonderful thing. He is well liked and respected by all the Rabbonim upstate. Ask Rabbi Barros or Chanowitz about Judge Labuda, they will tell you what type of person this men is.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:12 PM Anonymous Says:
Its a pride for yidden, especially frum yidden, how those Satmars went out of their way to meet all safety and fire codes a "hundred and ten percent", what a beautiful job inside out, they spent tens of thousands in extras only for safety.
And today it paid off when a visiting judge was amazed by the buildings structue and safety.
Kudos to Satmar!
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:10 PM Anonymous Says:
“ under what authority does this judge have to issue a temporary c of o. hes no engineer! he has overstepped his boundaries, and if the town was smart, they would bring it to state level, where it would definitely be overturned! i also think every firefighter should sign a letter stating they will not go to any fire on his premises, or in the judges, since he shows clear disdain for the town engineer, who in essence is the first line of protection in structural fires! he is the one who deems it safe. ”
9: If you were the fire department, you would let these people die, because they themselves weren't careful about safety. Think about that for a minute, and compare it to the moral compasses out there. Whatever reason these people rationalized that they didn't need to get the proper permits from the proper people, you don't stand by and not save these people's lives. And the Judge too? C'mon.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:19 PM Anonymous Says:
“ >...comes to show that the Chasidim did the right thing..."
>> Sorry, but no...they did NOT do the right thing. Once again we see people expressing the unbelievable opinion that Jews are above the law.
A Certificate of Occupancy (C of O) is exactly what it says it is: the key document certifying the LEGAL use and occupancy of a building. Notwithstanding how many people violate the law -- as happened in this case -- a new building cannot be LEGALLY occupied until a C of O has been issued. The argument: "but every one does it," is disingenuous and wrong.
The RIGHT thing to do would have been to: (1) request the C of O from the town of Bethel and then (2) gone to court when they refused to issue it (and not react with an attitude of "screw you, we'll do what we want and begin using the building anyway"). The judge would then have come to the site, issued the temporary C of O, and (3) the community could have started using the building LEGALLY and with respect for the due process of law. Quite simple really. ”
Are you in Eng-land, or in denial land?
everything was done properly, and the building dept. promised a C of O if a punch list is completed, that punch list was completed in a few days, they came to inspect and they find nothing missing! then they started a game of playing around for "no good reason", after begging and asking for "a reason" they were still hitting a wall.
So the judge came into the picture, and BH approved it.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:04 PM BOB Says:
“ they ABSOLUTELY DID NOT do the right thing. the right thing to do is go through the correct channels to obtain proper permits even temporary permits, this should not have gone to court in the first place it's a chilul hashem!!!!
why do many of us Frum Yidenn think we are above the law I'm sorry to say it's embarrassing that we run our dealings this way. ”
U R nuts. Don't u see the Hassidim were discriminated. The biased. They were forced to take the case to a court of law. We are lucky we have a healthy court system.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:57 PM Shua Says:
“ Another moron, you must be blinded by hatred.
Here is a clear picture where a town withheld the permits "for no good reason" (or maybe there was some "hidden" reason"..), and there was no way to please them, since ALL BUILDING AND SAFETY CODES WERE MET, so there was no other option than court.
And now the judge was convinced that THERE WAS NO REASON NOT TO GRANT A C.O.
BH that all morons like you and alike have to swallow the victory of the "frum" yidden, that acted according to law, and made a big kiddush hashem. ”
> "Another moron...[then] BH that all morons like you..."
>> Commenter no. 8 expressed his opinion in a respectful and intelligent manner -- yet you responded with a vile epithet. Then you compounded your chait by having the audacity to invoke Hashem's name (assuming "BH" means "Baruch Hashem") with a repeat of your vile epithet. Something is seriously wrong here.
HaRav Shmuel Brazil, shlit"a, maggid shiur in Yeshiva Sh’or Yoshuv -- a ba'al menagein, a talmid chochom, a mechaber seforim, and a baal mechadeish -- wrote the following in his dvar Torah this week, concerning people such as yourself who can't seem to control their insults and epithets directed at other Jews. You should read it carefully:
"The animosity and vicious condemnation that is written from one insulting commentator in response to another are many times, mamesh, blasphemous and a tremendous shame to our people...If you don’t have anything intelligent or constructive to say, then don’t hang out your personal animosity agenda of dirty laundry towards another Yid, nor be the representative of Klal Yisroel. Believe me when I say that there is more to gain by refraining from writing one’s poisonous negative comments in a public forum than you are going to accomplish by correcting wrong and distorted hashkafos of another frum Yid by posting them."
IT'S THE NINE DAYS. YOU NEED TO DO TESHUVA URGENTLY!!!
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:51 PM Anonymous Says:
The fact that all lefties and sonei yisroel are still busy bashing at colony that came out "winners" in a court of law, this makes the victory even bigger, that all morons with rotten midos are exploding, they just can't take the fact that the judge was convinced that the "hasidim" did everything legally and according to law.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:44 PM Anonymous Says:
“ under what authority does this judge have to issue a temporary c of o. hes no engineer! he has overstepped his boundaries, and if the town was smart, they would bring it to state level, where it would definitely be overturned! i also think every firefighter should sign a letter stating they will not go to any fire on his premises, or in the judges, since he shows clear disdain for the town engineer, who in essence is the first line of protection in structural fires! he is the one who deems it safe. ”
the owners had there own engineer who argued that it is safe to occupy the building, thats why the judge went down on hes own with the lawyers and engineers of both sides, and after a short overview he decided that the town was only doing it for SOME reason, so he issued them the CO.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:42 PM Anonymous Says:
“ under what authority does this judge have to issue a temporary c of o. hes no engineer! he has overstepped his boundaries, and if the town was smart, they would bring it to state level, where it would definitely be overturned! i also think every firefighter should sign a letter stating they will not go to any fire on his premises, or in the judges, since he shows clear disdain for the town engineer, who in essence is the first line of protection in structural fires! he is the one who deems it safe. ”
This is what tou say, but the judge says otherwise, and that's what counts!
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Jul 24, 2009 at 07:00 PM Anonymous Says:
“ > "Another moron...[then] BH that all morons like you..."
>> Commenter no. 8 expressed his opinion in a respectful and intelligent manner -- yet you responded with a vile epithet. Then you compounded your chait by having the audacity to invoke Hashem's name (assuming "BH" means "Baruch Hashem") with a repeat of your vile epithet. Something is seriously wrong here.
HaRav Shmuel Brazil, shlit"a, maggid shiur in Yeshiva Sh’or Yoshuv -- a ba'al menagein, a talmid chochom, a mechaber seforim, and a baal mechadeish -- wrote the following in his dvar Torah this week, concerning people such as yourself who can't seem to control their insults and epithets directed at other Jews. You should read it carefully:
"The animosity and vicious condemnation that is written from one insulting commentator in response to another are many times, mamesh, blasphemous and a tremendous shame to our people...If you don’t have anything intelligent or constructive to say, then don’t hang out your personal animosity agenda of dirty laundry towards another Yid, nor be the representative of Klal Yisroel. Believe me when I say that there is more to gain by refraining from writing one’s poisonous negative comments in a public forum than you are going to accomplish by correcting wrong and distorted hashkafos of another frum Yid by posting them."
IT'S THE NINE DAYS. YOU NEED TO DO TESHUVA URGENTLY!!! ”
Doesn't look like you read the comment (#8) to whom those compliments were directed.
And interesting, you find no mussar to all criticizers busy all day just with writing bad thinhs on other yidden, only the word "moron" bothers you.. strange.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 11:47 PM Anonymous Says:
Good Luck to the mispallelim of the new shul. May their tefillos be accepted by Hashem. BTW which bungalow colony is this in ?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:11 AM Anonymous Says:
What is amazing is that the town building inspector testified for Satmar. It was the planning or zoning board that subsequently decided not to give the CO. The inspector was there for regular inspections throughout construction and said everything was up to code. The town is now saying that the inspector did not do a good job. Does that not sound like dicrimination to you?
Obviously that is why the judge felt comfortable deciding by himself, because once he got there it was obvious that the towns claims were patently false.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:16 AM Anonymous Says:
“ >...comes to show that the Chasidim did the right thing..."
>> Sorry, but no...they did NOT do the right thing. Once again we see people expressing the unbelievable opinion that Jews are above the law.
A Certificate of Occupancy (C of O) is exactly what it says it is: the key document certifying the LEGAL use and occupancy of a building. Notwithstanding how many people violate the law -- as happened in this case -- a new building cannot be LEGALLY occupied until a C of O has been issued. The argument: "but every one does it," is disingenuous and wrong.
The RIGHT thing to do would have been to: (1) request the C of O from the town of Bethel and then (2) gone to court when they refused to issue it (and not react with an attitude of "screw you, we'll do what we want and begin using the building anyway"). The judge would then have come to the site, issued the temporary C of O, and (3) the community could have started using the building LEGALLY and with respect for the due process of law. Quite simple really. ”
I can believe you talking like this I was in court Friday you have no idea whats going on WOW you must be sad !! Like the judge sad to the town lower not the safety is your problem you have some think say it in my face. Than the judge sad. I feel it just its not right I'm taking a ride to betthel
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:06 PM Anonymous Says:
to wich chasides belongs this shul /?
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Jul 27, 2009 at 05:15 AM Shloime Drimmer Says:
“ they ABSOLUTELY DID NOT do the right thing. the right thing to do is go through the correct channels to obtain proper permits even temporary permits, this should not have gone to court in the first place it's a chilul hashem!!!!
why do many of us Frum Yidenn think we are above the law I'm sorry to say it's embarrassing that we run our dealings this way. ”
The only Chilul Hashem, and numerous other transgressions that I see here are the negative and nefarious comments that I see posted in regards to this issue. It is obvious that those that posted negative comments are completely unaware of the facts in this case, and are among that unfortunate group that are always eager to bash anyone,be it Chassidim or anyone else that they have taken a dislike to. As a homeowner in near proximity to the Satmar Lapidus Colony, and a participant in the cost of the construction, I am very familiar with all the details. Every phase of the construction of this magnificent edifice was done 100 % legally and thru the proper channels.Unfortunately, there is a local developer ,who happens to be Jewish,who is vehementely opposed to any form of growth or expansion by the Orthodox in the White Lake area. His influence on the Town Planning Board is blatant.This construction was initially approved by the Town Building Inspector, Tim Dexter, and he personally monitored the construction from day one. It is tragic to see in this day and age the blatant Anti-Semitism being perpetrated by the Town Planning Board (of which 2 out of 5 are Jewish ),a known local developer, and numerous other local groups. The Town Planning Board even tried to fault thier own Building Inspector even though he did everything by the book. As the Building Inspector himself stated at a meeting which took place yesterday at the White Lake Shul Of Rabbi Fishbane, " I never understood what the persecution of the Jews meant until I witnessed this whole scenario".This Building Inpector,Tim Dexter, put his job on the line by standing uo for what's right. As is witnessed by the Judges decision, the Satmar Kehilla did it by the book, and the only reason for this occurence is obvious Anti-Semitism. For those detractors and posters of negative comments, bear in mind the Mussar Seforim that you learn but do not practice,especially during these Nine Days. May Hashem grant us the ability to practice true Ahavas Yisroel, for if we do not practice this among ourselves how can we expect better from others. May the Geula Shleima come yet before this Tisha B'Av , and may we all rejoice together in Yerushalaim Ir Hakodesh together.