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Bail was set much higher for many others facing money laundering charges after prosecutors argued that the mostly orthodox Jewish defendants were flight risks, citing their strong ties to Israel.
The judge also ordered several of them to wear electronic monitoring devices.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:16 PM Anonymous Says:
The rabbonim have to wear electronic ankle bracelets and they are not happy aboutit because of shabbos but that is apparently the standard federal policy for those who are viewed as a "flight risk". I'm sure there is some heter since wearing these electronic gadgets is beyond their control.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:22 PM Anonymous Says:
Nazi Germany 1930's - America 2009, same thing!! This government is outright fueling outright discrimination against orthodox Jews and what do we do about it? ZERO!!
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:21 PM flatbush moish Says:
it would be pretty emabressing for the rabbis to go in public wearing these devices anyways
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:20 PM Priorities Says:
“ The rabbonim have to wear electronic ankle bracelets and they are not happy aboutit because of shabbos but that is apparently the standard federal policy for those who are viewed as a "flight risk". I'm sure there is some heter since wearing these electronic gadgets is beyond their control. ”
Nebbach, they're not happy about what's probably a d'Rabbonon.
Yet they have no problem with the d'Oraisa of Chillul Hashem???
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:06 PM Anonymous Says:
thats sucks whenever a jew does something wrong they are gona put a large sum of bail bec of flight risk
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:11 PM Anonymous Says:
there should be no comparense to nazi germany. these rabbis and people commited a crime knowngly or unknowengly. but a crime was commited. so standard prodecudre is being done. how one can compareit to nazis is baffiling to me.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:27 PM new policy Says:
gyus u know when the feds started this BS about isreal? yup u guessed it , the first time this lousy excuse was used was durning the rubashkin trial , we did not protest it then due to our own selfishness or that some of us felt that d rubashkins deserved it , now it became standert policy. lesson: never stand in the side lines thinking this could never happen to me, we shuld have done somthing then.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:27 PM Anonymous Says:
“ there should be no comparense to nazi germany. these rabbis and people commited a crime knowngly or unknowengly. but a crime was commited. so standard prodecudre is being done. how one can compareit to nazis is baffiling to me. ”
We should absolutely not compare any US agency to Germany, but there's definitely something wrong with demanding more bail or any harsher restrictions because they're a flight risk to Israel.
Does any US jew have more ties to Israel than any christian to Italy or England?
There's something stinking here..
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:27 PM Anonymous Says:
“ there should be no comparense to nazi germany. these rabbis and people commited a crime knowngly or unknowengly. but a crime was commited. so standard prodecudre is being done. how one can compareit to nazis is baffiling to me. ”
You don't get point nobody needs to post bail only if he or she is accused of doing something illigal however to make a diffrents between a jew and nonjew is the same as 1939
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:26 PM yopy Says:
well guys this whole story is a mizer haskel you cant trust anyone because this dweck shiegatz went to alot of his so to say friends and put them in this terribale possition. nebach
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:25 PM Anonymous Says:
To number 6. "Committed a crime". You must have forgotten the word alleged. And for comparisons. No this is not nazi germany but YES don't you see the new standard. Every jew gets a higher bail set. If bail is granted at all because we are flight risks due to our religion. This is crazy. And discrimination.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:24 PM Anonymous Says:
“ there should be no comparense to nazi germany. these rabbis and people commited a crime knowngly or unknowengly. but a crime was commited. so standard prodecudre is being done. how one can compareit to nazis is baffiling to me. ”
"Standard Procedure" ?? This whole story brings out the point that the jews are being treated different when it comes to bail..
I don't have a problem that they arrest these crooks.. But they should get the same "standard procedure" as the others.. And yes!! If you differentiate between a jew and gentile you are anti-semitic and act like the nazis..
I view these electronic bracelets like the yellow stars!!! Because they put it only on the jews (in this case..)
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:18 PM Anonymous Says:
While I don't condone a chilul hashem by any means, but I'am certain without a shadow of a doubt, if any human being was approached by another desperate sounding individual to help someone in need, and waves a big carrot in front of you, I don't believe any of us would pass it up. The chilul hashem is the one who set out to do this scheme. You have to be a malach to resist the temptation especially when times are tough. The gov't has really created a trap and this jerk was desperate to get himself off. This is pure rishes of entrapping innocent people that were not out there making a living off this and not their normal course of business. These are ehlich tmimusdik people that were set up by a scoundrel beyond comprehension. The chilul hashem is the bastard. Anybody with common sense can see through this. Its a crying shame what this innocent people are going to have to go through and thousands of dollars of legal fees and lives disrupted. That's the only chilul hashem.
Ki beafhum hurgu ish.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:02 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Nebbach, they're not happy about what's probably a d'Rabbonon.
Yet they have no problem with the d'Oraisa of Chillul Hashem??? ”
If the charges are true, it still isn't very surprising. Money is a very effective temptation, and the Yetzer Hara has a way of making all sorts of rationalizations when it comes to money, d'Oraisa or not.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:01 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Nazi Germany 1930's - America 2009, same thing!! This government is outright fueling outright discrimination against orthodox Jews and what do we do about it? ZERO!! ”
What we should do is ensure that we are honest in all our dealings. If you are upsat at this malchus she'll chesed, go live elsewhere.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:59 PM Chitown Says:
#3--Nazis?!? Are you serious?!?! These people broke the law, get nailed for it, and your concern is that the government is treating them too harshly? Let them be seen in public with the bracelets so that others will know (or, perpahs, learn for the first time) that this behavior is unacceptable.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:58 PM Anonymous Says:
“ it would be pretty emabressing for the rabbis to go in public wearing these devices anyways ”
I think the people in the community already know that they're being charged by the government. The views of those people won't change whether or not the Rabbis are wearing a piece of metal.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:56 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Nebbach, they're not happy about what's probably a d'Rabbonon.
Yet they have no problem with the d'Oraisa of Chillul Hashem??? ”
Who do you think you are you very simple minded person you probaly never had to pay taxes above what was held back on you're w2 and probaly got money back you have no idea what its like to to work hard and give 50-65% of you're money to the goverment so people like you can benefit from it go get a job and stop taking mine and everyone else's money and noone would be in this perdicument don't blame them the blame the goverment
Also be very careful about which rabbi you talk bad about you never no when g-d will strike back at you
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:50 PM Anonymous Says:
Take a Closer look at this picture Do you see how THERE HANDS ARE TIED IN A CRISSCROSS MANNER. Plain & simple torture
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:41 PM We must fight this injustice!! Says:
No matter if a defendant has ties to other countries or not, if the defendant is Jewish the US government always asks the courts to deny bail based on Jews being a flight risk, because Israel's law's allow all Jews to become Israeli citizens. We must fight this thing once and for all!!! Yemach shemom vezichrom
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:39 PM Anonymous Says:
#2. you are not very intelligent. America is the biggest medina shel chesed we have ever lived in. To compare it to the nazis yimach shemom is to minimize & trivialize the murder of millions of yidden. Shame on you.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:38 PM Anonymous Says:
So do the Arabs get higher bail bec they have strong ties to their countries? What about the Mexicans to Mexico? Chinese to china? Japanese to Japan. Italian to Italy... the list goes on and on. There are so many ethnicities in this country with “ties” to another country!!!
Until now i was NOT from those who pointed fingers "anti-Semites" but now I’m screaming "a bunch of Anti Semites!! Try that on an “African American” - who has ties to Africa... see the riots in the streets!!
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:35 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Nazi Germany 1930's - America 2009, same thing!! This government is outright fueling outright discrimination against orthodox Jews and what do we do about it? ZERO!! ”
How dare you to compare this to 1930’s and what the Nazis did to our innocent fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers’ even infants. You totally misguided.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:34 PM Lebediger Says:
why do they call them rabbi
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Jul 24, 2009 at 05:32 PM insane!! Says:
This is the same sick twisted mindset of the feds when they used this “excuse” when they took in shalom rubashkin. So do the Arabs get higher bail bec they have strong ties to their countries? What about the Mexicans to Mexico? Chinese to china? Japanese to Japan. Italian to Italy... the list goes on and on. There are so many ethnicities in this country with “ties” to another country!!!
Until now i was NOT from those who pointed fingers "anti-Semites" but now I’m screaming "a bunch of Anti Semites!! Try that on an “African American” - who has ties to Africa... see the riots in the streets!!
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:48 PM Anonymous Says:
“ So do the Arabs get higher bail bec they have strong ties to their countries? What about the Mexicans to Mexico? Chinese to china? Japanese to Japan. Italian to Italy... the list goes on and on. There are so many ethnicities in this country with “ties” to another country!!!
Until now i was NOT from those who pointed fingers "anti-Semites" but now I’m screaming "a bunch of Anti Semites!! Try that on an “African American” - who has ties to Africa... see the riots in the streets!!
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It's the right of return and the ability for a jew to show up in Israel and be admitted that the prosecutors argue is different. An American whose grandparents came from Italy , for example, can't just show up at the airport in Rome and be admitted because his ancestors were Italian. I'm not saying that Jews should be given a harder time on bail because of the right of return, just trying to explain why your argument doesn't work since its not the same with other countries.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:45 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Nazi Germany 1930's - America 2009, same thing!! This government is outright fueling outright discrimination against orthodox Jews and what do we do about it? ZERO!! ”
dont claim to be orthodox and you wont be treated as such .
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:45 PM Charlie Hall Says:
“ If the charges are true, it still isn't very surprising. Money is a very effective temptation, and the Yetzer Hara has a way of making all sorts of rationalizations when it comes to money, d'Oraisa or not. ”
This is so true. This can be a reminder to all of us that none of us are immune from temptation. Perhaps we can all use this incident to resolve to improve our level of observance in financial halachah.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:42 PM Charlie Hall Says:
“ We should absolutely not compare any US agency to Germany, but there's definitely something wrong with demanding more bail or any harsher restrictions because they're a flight risk to Israel.
Does any US jew have more ties to Israel than any christian to Italy or England?
There's something stinking here.. ”
Yes, every US Jew has ties to Israel! Every Jew in the world does. We especially know that during the nine days.
And few Italian Americans or English Americans can't fly to the country of their ancestry and obtain immediate citizenship. Would Israel send any of the persons who have been charged back to America? It did with Meyer Lansky but would it do it today? This is not stinking; the same treatment would apply to anyone who could flee easily to another country and stay there.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:36 PM Anonymous Says:
At least for the organ selling charge, there are allegations that it was part of an Israeli ring. If so, there could be a higher flight risk due to the relationship with Israelis, not because he is jewish.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:35 PM Anonymous Says:
Calm down. We don't know the facts on the bail issue. It's possible that some of the defendants have family in Israel and travelled there frequently. If so, that's not the same as saying it's just because they are Jewish. And as to the reference to Rubashcan, the denial of bail was appealed and he was allowed out on bail.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:31 PM Anonymous Says:
“ gyus u know when the feds started this BS about isreal? yup u guessed it , the first time this lousy excuse was used was durning the rubashkin trial , we did not protest it then due to our own selfishness or that some of us felt that d rubashkins deserved it , now it became standert policy. lesson: never stand in the side lines thinking this could never happen to me, we shuld have done somthing then. ”
Rubashkin did not stand trial yet.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:30 PM Anonymous Says:
“ there should be no comparense to nazi germany. these rabbis and people commited a crime knowngly or unknowengly. but a crime was commited. so standard prodecudre is being done. how one can compareit to nazis is baffiling to me. ”
the issue is that bail is higher for for jews
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:29 PM please understand Says:
People please understand, (of course only if they are gulity) that, just like they broke the law once they might break it again, with running away and hide.
So don't freak out with such an amount for bail.
After all, (again only if they are guilty) they broke the law big time, and created a big chilul hashem, and this might be a kapara for that big sin.
Another point that we keep forgetting is, that we are still in exile and we still have to obey what the goverment says, Whether we like it or not.
And besras hashem in a few days when we celabrate tisha bov with moshiach these goverment laws will disolve anyway.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:28 PM tzirel Says:
“ thats sucks whenever a jew does something wrong they are gona put a large sum of bail bec of flight risk ”
Why should they. They knw that these guys have the cash and will fly out as soon as they can. Yes its imbarasing the braclets but they should of thought abt when they did the crime. If u do a crime u pay for it at the end my heart goes out only to there kids
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Jul 24, 2009 at 06:59 PM Anonymous Says:
Thank Mr. Mondrowitz and others for teaching the Feds that the heimishe mentchen do the crimes but skedaddle out to Israel to live the good life.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 06:58 AM Anonymous Says:
Orthodox rabbis should be alight unto the nations. These people are crooks and should be seen as such. Disgusting. Stop crying Nazi. They besmirch the name of Jews worldwide. A shandah!! They make me deeply ashamed
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Jul 25, 2009 at 04:10 AM BAINSTEIN Says:
“ thats sucks whenever a jew does something wrong they are gona put a large sum of bail bec of flight risk ”
History. American Jews have a higher spiritual attachment to Israel than the Italians, British, Irish, Germans or Swedes for that matter (think ginger cookie, bubie) who hyphenate their ancestry in the late 20 century. In reality, my Red Hook born Italian mailman Tony tells me he's an American. He's not ashamed of being Italian-American. There no intense religious, cultural etc cetera between Tony and Italy. He only has 3 children, a wife, and live in a New Jersey suburb.
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Professional Jewish criminals know international law well. They know which states will take them in and not let them be extradicted (think a Chasids on both sides demanding justice or maybe winking at justice or hoping it will alll go away, while the victims of this crime remain in dispair...think sex abusers and offenders. Hey who tugs better a Chasid Israeli or Chasid from Deal or Borough Park. That's amusing!
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Jul 25, 2009 at 03:37 AM Bainstein Says:
“ We should absolutely not compare any US agency to Germany, but there's definitely something wrong with demanding more bail or any harsher restrictions because they're a flight risk to Israel.
Does any US jew have more ties to Israel than any christian to Italy or England?
There's something stinking here.. ”
I humbly suggest you calm down ASAP. Its not energy saving to repress your misinformed information about whose ethnic ties are stronger on Shabbat: Italians, Greeks, Irish, or British or other immigrant American group. The ones you list do not have any of the spiritual connections you claims. Do some research...Mr. Rich, a Jewish American a convicted felon remained outside the USA rather that face indictment and jail time. He's the Jewish moneyman Clinton pardoned. Oy Vey to you honey. Get off your tush, do some walking meditation ( think about a dozen girls you want under thekuppa at different times if you prefer) and research your baloney.
The Greeks did not have that opportunity when they translated the Chumash. What more info on this comment....take yourself to amish.com.
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Jul 24, 2009 at 07:34 PM esther Says:
“ While I don't condone a chilul hashem by any means, but I'am certain without a shadow of a doubt, if any human being was approached by another desperate sounding individual to help someone in need, and waves a big carrot in front of you, I don't believe any of us would pass it up. The chilul hashem is the one who set out to do this scheme. You have to be a malach to resist the temptation especially when times are tough. The gov't has really created a trap and this jerk was desperate to get himself off. This is pure rishes of entrapping innocent people that were not out there making a living off this and not their normal course of business. These are ehlich tmimusdik people that were set up by a scoundrel beyond comprehension. The chilul hashem is the bastard. Anybody with common sense can see through this. Its a crying shame what this innocent people are going to have to go through and thousands of dollars of legal fees and lives disrupted. That's the only chilul hashem.
Ki beafhum hurgu ish. ”
i'm sorry to tell you but the people on this site who think that anybody would have succumbed to this temptation needs to look at himself!my father a'h was a gov official who was offered bribes a few times.he NEVER even thought to accept . my parents struggled plenty financially and weren't frum;what does this say about us?yeridos hadoros!!!
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Jul 24, 2009 at 07:22 PM mordecai Says:
“ Nazi Germany 1930's - America 2009, same thing!! This government is outright fueling outright discrimination against orthodox Jews and what do we do about it? ZERO!! ”
I think that to right such a thing abut our government is the must stupid an on responsible think to do. The united stats of America is a malchus shel chesed and avery one must serve the lows of it
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Jul 25, 2009 at 01:27 PM misterzee Says:
mark rich went to switzerland,not israel
to run to israel will not help as the extradition treaty is very severe these days
the prosecutors are animals,i will not call them nazis,but they have no sense of justice or democracy
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Jul 25, 2009 at 12:33 PM Anonymous Says:
“ "Standard Procedure" ?? This whole story brings out the point that the jews are being treated different when it comes to bail..
I don't have a problem that they arrest these crooks.. But they should get the same "standard procedure" as the others.. And yes!! If you differentiate between a jew and gentile you are anti-semitic and act like the nazis..
I view these electronic bracelets like the yellow stars!!! Because they put it only on the jews (in this case..) ”
How just takng their passports and alerting Immigration and TSA?
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Jul 25, 2009 at 07:16 PM David F. Says:
“ This is the same sick twisted mindset of the feds when they used this “excuse” when they took in shalom rubashkin. So do the Arabs get higher bail bec they have strong ties to their countries? What about the Mexicans to Mexico? Chinese to china? Japanese to Japan. Italian to Italy... the list goes on and on. There are so many ethnicities in this country with “ties” to another country!!!
Until now i was NOT from those who pointed fingers "anti-Semites" but now I’m screaming "a bunch of Anti Semites!! Try that on an “African American” - who has ties to Africa... see the riots in the streets!! ”
I'm from South Texas, and it's very common for high-profile suspects to be denied bail because they have ties to Mexico and are a flight risk.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 06:46 PM Anonymous Says:
Did anyone hear the initial news briefing from the FBI guy, or only me? Quote: "we arrested officials, etc. AND OF COURSE some Jewish Rabbis" what does that mean?
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Jul 25, 2009 at 08:42 PM Says:
Because Sholom Rubashkin did his stupidity, all jews now have to be treated like this. No one even thought of the law of return until Rubashkin's employees ran away.
And thnk of this- those 'rabonim' would not have even spit on the 'zionist ' regime because they thought that their spit was too valuable. Now they have a higher bail because, as it now appears, Eretz Yisroel cares for them more than they care for it.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 08:54 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Did anyone hear the initial news briefing from the FBI guy, or only me? Quote: "we arrested officials, etc. AND OF COURSE some Jewish Rabbis" what does that mean? ”
What don't you get. It means that all the media are going crazy with a distorted news story that "rabbis" are at the center of a massive fraud. It validates every antisemitic stereotype of yiddin stealing and manipulating from poor goyim. The pictures of these rabbonim in their long black coats with their tzizis hanging out and their hands behind their backs in handcuffs being dragged on the police bus are being shown in every newspaper and TV station around the world. The worst was the picture on the front page or page 2 of the Wall St. Journal on Friday. Whether they were simply duped into participation or just plain greedy, these rabbonim will cause more damage and hurt to klal yisroel than you ever can image--even worse than madoff in terms of the publicity.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:05 PM Anonymous Says:
“ We should absolutely not compare any US agency to Germany, but there's definitely something wrong with demanding more bail or any harsher restrictions because they're a flight risk to Israel.
Does any US jew have more ties to Israel than any christian to Italy or England?
There's something stinking here.. ”
oh cmon YES jews do have stronger ties to israel than christian to italy
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:01 PM Anonymous Says:
The Chilul HaShem and damage done cannot be measured. Body parts being sold, multiple charity institutions being used as money laundering fronts, clergy running crime schemes. People that were thinking of being Chozer B'Teshuva are discouraged and people thinking of going off the derech are encouraged. Respect for the Dati lifestyle is reduced. All the Nazi accusations, entrapment cries, complaints about taxes are just silliness. Please consider what we have done to keep the Bais Hamikdash destroyed during the 9 days by our community actions. What would have changed if a few had considered the cost to our community of their actions. What can we now change?
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:16 PM Anon1 Says:
“ Take a Closer look at this picture Do you see how THERE HANDS ARE TIED IN A CRISSCROSS MANNER. Plain & simple torture ”
It does appear that way, but it's an illusion. Look at the hands and youll see each set is a right and left hand.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:16 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Yes, every US Jew has ties to Israel! Every Jew in the world does. We especially know that during the nine days.
And few Italian Americans or English Americans can't fly to the country of their ancestry and obtain immediate citizenship. Would Israel send any of the persons who have been charged back to America? It did with Meyer Lansky but would it do it today? This is not stinking; the same treatment would apply to anyone who could flee easily to another country and stay there. ”
No it is discrimination because Israel always sends fugitives back.
Many liberal countries don't extradite because the US has the death penalty.
Shulem Weiss was not extradited by Austria because the Feds wanted to give him 830 years for financial crimes and the Austrians said that that's cruel and unusual so they gave him 10yrs there. This country is a medina shel chesed untill ur in the cross hairs of an egotistical DA
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:18 PM Anonymous Says:
malchus shel chesed on what? Your food stamps and medicaid? Wake up jews, this is germany 1930's all over again!! and by the way, jews back then had very similar views about the nazi's back then!!
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:17 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The rabbonim have to wear electronic ankle bracelets and they are not happy aboutit because of shabbos but that is apparently the standard federal policy for those who are viewed as a "flight risk". I'm sure there is some heter since wearing these electronic gadgets is beyond their control. ”
Did they get a heter to steal also?
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:21 PM Anonymous Says:
“ We should absolutely not compare any US agency to Germany, but there's definitely something wrong with demanding more bail or any harsher restrictions because they're a flight risk to Israel.
Does any US jew have more ties to Israel than any christian to Italy or England?
There's something stinking here.. ”
These people had business ties to I Israel and therefore might run there. This has nothing to do with the fact that they are Jewish.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:20 PM tzoorba Says:
This whole affair is one big anti Semitic boondoggle precipitated by that evil rosha Dweck with the full cooperation of the FBI. There were some small time violations but nothing on the order of what this is being trumped up into.
The claim that there is a network is an obvious fabrication. There is no known connection between the 44 indicted people and the only purpose to claim a network is to sensationalize the whole affair.
The money laundering claim is bogus. Money laundering is taking dirty money such as drug money or profits from illegal activities and converting them from donations. The money provided wasn't illegal money. What happened was a form of tax evasion which is illegal but a relatively minor crime.
The sum total involved was 3.5 million divided by 44 people which works out to about 80,000 per person. A crack dealer makes more than the entire sum in an hour. My taxpayer money has been wasted on this expensive investigation of penny ante crime.
In terms of the kidney salesman, he had nothing to do with the others. Secondly, the average wait for a kidney in the US is 10 years. The average life expectancy of someone on dialysis is 3 years. This is basically a death sentence.
If the kidney guy didn't force the donors, he is an angel of mercy not a vicious traffiker in human parts.
Rabbi Kassin originally refused but the rosha Dwek, yemach shmo, pleaded that he couldn't feed his family.
All in all there were violations done that shouldn't have been but the charges here are trumped up beyond belief.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:20 PM A Pushita Yid Says:
“ Nazi Germany 1930's - America 2009, same thing!! This government is outright fueling outright discrimination against orthodox Jews and what do we do about it? ZERO!! ”
It seems that you forgot one small detail: There's a difference between stam chapping jews for no reason and jews being BUSTED for their own crimes. Or mabe jews should be allowed to simply go against the law, I guess some think that makes sense. What twistedness.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:22 PM Anonymous Says:
“ What don't you get. It means that all the media are going crazy with a distorted news story that "rabbis" are at the center of a massive fraud. It validates every antisemitic stereotype of yiddin stealing and manipulating from poor goyim. The pictures of these rabbonim in their long black coats with their tzizis hanging out and their hands behind their backs in handcuffs being dragged on the police bus are being shown in every newspaper and TV station around the world. The worst was the picture on the front page or page 2 of the Wall St. Journal on Friday. Whether they were simply duped into participation or just plain greedy, these rabbonim will cause more damage and hurt to klal yisroel than you ever can image--even worse than madoff in terms of the publicity. ”
At least madoff went down by himself and took noone else with him he is a tzadik compared to dwek y's
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:21 PM Anonymous Says:
“ "Standard Procedure" ?? This whole story brings out the point that the jews are being treated different when it comes to bail..
I don't have a problem that they arrest these crooks.. But they should get the same "standard procedure" as the others.. And yes!! If you differentiate between a jew and gentile you are anti-semitic and act like the nazis..
I view these electronic bracelets like the yellow stars!!! Because they put it only on the jews (in this case..) ”
Enough of thinking that we Jews should get special treatment. These people are thieves-morally, spiritually, ethically and finacially. They have stolen not only money but people's trust. These people would run to Israel in a minute. They have no sense of remorse; they're only upset that they got caught. This is not anti-semitism; this is being realistic about a group of people who have disrespected not only the US, but all Jewish people throughout the world.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:37 PM Anon1 Says:
“ Nazi Germany 1930's - America 2009, same thing!! This government is outright fueling outright discrimination against orthodox Jews and what do we do about it? ZERO!! ”
We want it both ways. We want that the TSA should scrutinize muslims more because of their past history. So, if we chevrah have a history of being a flight risk, then the courts are doing the appropriate thing.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:43 PM Anonymous Says:
I wonder since this is such a malchus shel chesed, why did Obama so vigorously defend his colored friend, whom by the way was arrested and charged with a crime. where is he now to defend the jews? no double standard right? a malchus shel chesed? lets not kid ourselves! and come on friends, if the government where to hang their investigators on anyone's shoulders, perhaps yours, what do you think would happen? I am confident they can come up with something to charge you with too! So please, stop with your BS and have a little rachmunos on others!!
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:40 PM Dovid Says:
“ Nebbach, they're not happy about what's probably a d'Rabbonon.
Yet they have no problem with the d'Oraisa of Chillul Hashem??? ”
what about the d'oreisa of stealing
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:43 PM Anonymous Says:
I wonder since this is such a malchus shel chesed, why did Obama so vigorously defend his colored friend, whom by the way was arrested and charged with a crime. where is he now to defend the jews? no double standard right? a malchus shel chesed? lets not kid ourselves! and come on friends, if the government where to hang their investigators on anyone's shoulders, perhaps yours, what do you think would happen? I am confident they can come up with something to charge you with too! So please, stop with your BS and have a little rachmunos on others!!
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:40 PM Dovid Says:
“ Nebbach, they're not happy about what's probably a d'Rabbonon.
Yet they have no problem with the d'Oraisa of Chillul Hashem??? ”
what about the d'oreisa of stealing
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:52 PM Gedalia Says:
“ This whole affair is one big anti Semitic boondoggle precipitated by that evil rosha Dweck with the full cooperation of the FBI. There were some small time violations but nothing on the order of what this is being trumped up into.
The claim that there is a network is an obvious fabrication. There is no known connection between the 44 indicted people and the only purpose to claim a network is to sensationalize the whole affair.
The money laundering claim is bogus. Money laundering is taking dirty money such as drug money or profits from illegal activities and converting them from donations. The money provided wasn't illegal money. What happened was a form of tax evasion which is illegal but a relatively minor crime.
The sum total involved was 3.5 million divided by 44 people which works out to about 80,000 per person. A crack dealer makes more than the entire sum in an hour. My taxpayer money has been wasted on this expensive investigation of penny ante crime.
In terms of the kidney salesman, he had nothing to do with the others. Secondly, the average wait for a kidney in the US is 10 years. The average life expectancy of someone on dialysis is 3 years. This is basically a death sentence.
If the kidney guy didn't force the donors, he is an angel of mercy not a vicious traffiker in human parts.
Rabbi Kassin originally refused but the rosha Dwek, yemach shmo, pleaded that he couldn't feed his family.
All in all there were violations done that shouldn't have been but the charges here are trumped up beyond belief. ”
Are you on drugs? There IS evidence he forced people to give kidneys. He also kept the huge profits called ONAAH. They committed crimes no matter ht to justify. YOU are the real chillul hashem
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:52 PM Gedalia Says:
“ This whole affair is one big anti Semitic boondoggle precipitated by that evil rosha Dweck with the full cooperation of the FBI. There were some small time violations but nothing on the order of what this is being trumped up into.
The claim that there is a network is an obvious fabrication. There is no known connection between the 44 indicted people and the only purpose to claim a network is to sensationalize the whole affair.
The money laundering claim is bogus. Money laundering is taking dirty money such as drug money or profits from illegal activities and converting them from donations. The money provided wasn't illegal money. What happened was a form of tax evasion which is illegal but a relatively minor crime.
The sum total involved was 3.5 million divided by 44 people which works out to about 80,000 per person. A crack dealer makes more than the entire sum in an hour. My taxpayer money has been wasted on this expensive investigation of penny ante crime.
In terms of the kidney salesman, he had nothing to do with the others. Secondly, the average wait for a kidney in the US is 10 years. The average life expectancy of someone on dialysis is 3 years. This is basically a death sentence.
If the kidney guy didn't force the donors, he is an angel of mercy not a vicious traffiker in human parts.
Rabbi Kassin originally refused but the rosha Dwek, yemach shmo, pleaded that he couldn't feed his family.
All in all there were violations done that shouldn't have been but the charges here are trumped up beyond belief. ”
Are you on drugs? There IS evidence he forced people to give kidneys. He also kept the huge profits called ONAAH. They committed crimes no matter ht to justify. YOU are the real chillul hashem
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Jul 25, 2009 at 09:46 PM A Pushita Yid Says:
“ gyus u know when the feds started this BS about isreal? yup u guessed it , the first time this lousy excuse was used was durning the rubashkin trial , we did not protest it then due to our own selfishness or that some of us felt that d rubashkins deserved it , now it became standert policy. lesson: never stand in the side lines thinking this could never happen to me, we shuld have done somthing then. ”
Just the same way we are A BETTER PEOPLE, the same way we get different handling sometimes. I personally feel that the FBI has the right to determine risk. But that's my opinion and anyone has the right to feel differently. BUT, like I said, we are a better people and it's WORSE when individuals of a better people commit crimes. Mabe learn a lesson that looks like this: BEHAVE YOURSELF like it's required from every citizen (including yourself) and mabe you'll get equal treatment. I think that sounds like a fair plan.
Your words: "...we should have done something then." That's right! learnt a lesson. The kind of lesson you choose to learn actually depends on your IQ.
If the bridge is broken will you get a bunch of ambulances to wait there to take any victims that fall off the bridge to the nearest hospital, or will you get someone to fix the bridge?
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Jul 25, 2009 at 10:10 PM Anonymous Says:
We had over a few guests for Shabbat lunch, and the topic of the arrest was the main topic of conversations. One of the questions which were discussed in fifty years, God forbid, and we are still not redeemed, how that generation would look. The consensus was if the present is the guide for the future it would be bleak. While looking back to the changes in the last fifty years and the degree with which our children and grandchildren changed, from our fathers and mothers generations it is noting more them mind blowing. Our parents generation who came to this land as immigrants after they survived hell in Nazi Germany, with pure love to Hashem and gratitude to the U.S. for relaxing the immigration laws so they could come to this new land and start a new generation of religious Children. But the 2nd and 3rd generations are into statues in the community, while in the fifties and the sixties statues was measured, not by how much money or house or cars the person had, but, it was is he getting up early in the morning to learn and after coming home late from hard day at work, would he still make time to go learn some more. It was not the money that carried the day. Now it is all about money with every excuse why you are allowed to cheat and outright steal from people or the government, and to rub in salt in the wound some absentminded people have the nerve to compare the US with Nazi Germany. If we need to explain why the comparison is wrong, then we might just give up on our next generation, furthermore, Anti Smite is throwing around regardless if it has merit or not. Every Tom Dick and Harry thinks they know it all, it is all about ME, I know it all, and if someone disagrees with your Interpretation my God protect him/ from the vicious attaches which is sure to follow. There are no good answers what we need to do, but one thing I am sure it is the responsibility of each one of us to lead by example.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 10:23 PM Milhouse Says:
“ It's the right of return and the ability for a jew to show up in Israel and be admitted that the prosecutors argue is different. An American whose grandparents came from Italy , for example, can't just show up at the airport in Rome and be admitted because his ancestors were Italian. I'm not saying that Jews should be given a harder time on bail because of the right of return, just trying to explain why your argument doesn't work since its not the same with other countries. ”
How are they going to show up in Israel without passports?
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Jul 25, 2009 at 10:31 PM Anonymous Says:
It would be nice if they all stopped wearing their hats and other jewish "gear" to court appearances. Those who break the law do not represent Jews or Torah
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Jul 25, 2009 at 10:22 PM Milhouse Says:
“ It's the right of return and the ability for a jew to show up in Israel and be admitted that the prosecutors argue is different. An American whose grandparents came from Italy , for example, can't just show up at the airport in Rome and be admitted because his ancestors were Italian. I'm not saying that Jews should be given a harder time on bail because of the right of return, just trying to explain why your argument doesn't work since its not the same with other countries. ”
You have no idea what you're talking about. Anyone with a grandparent born in Italy is entitled to citizenship there.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 10:21 PM tzoorba Says:
“ Are you on drugs? There IS evidence he forced people to give kidneys. He also kept the huge profits called ONAAH. They committed crimes no matter ht to justify. YOU are the real chillul hashem ”
“ Are you on drugs? There IS evidence he forced people to give kidneys. He also kept the huge profits called ONAAH. They committed crimes no matter ht to justify. YOU are the real chillul hashem ”
What evidence is there of force? Why did none of this leak out in the hospitals?
The amount he took for this kind of help was a pittance. In no way is this Onaah.
You are an ally to the enemies of the Jewish people without a shred of credible evidence. You want to believe this and perpetuate the evil work of Dweck.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 10:56 PM Anonymous Says:
This is gulos yes! Its moderen day gulos and protesting against it will not cause any good anyway the sina of the gentiles is not going away never its they don't allways have the oppertunity
To use it , do u think the jews in germeny didn't protest or didn't have so close ties with the government nothing will take away the sina Just useing low profile hishtodles may do some good as all the gulos yidden had the most hatzlucha tis way in long term
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Jul 25, 2009 at 10:33 PM Here we go again Says:
Wasn't the rationale that a religious Jew is more of a risk because of the law of return in Israel overturned in Sholom Rubashkin's case? Regarldess of guilt, to be harsher to religious Jews because they are a flight risk is distinct prejudice.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 10:20 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Because Sholom Rubashkin did his stupidity, all jews now have to be treated like this. No one even thought of the law of return until Rubashkin's employees ran away.
And thnk of this- those 'rabonim' would not have even spit on the 'zionist ' regime because they thought that their spit was too valuable. Now they have a higher bail because, as it now appears, Eretz Yisroel cares for them more than they care for it. ”
You LOW LIFE...Blaming Rubashkin and and chsidishe holy great people for this tragedy. Hope G-d forgives you!!!
ITS BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU THATB THIS HAPPENS, SO ZIP YOUR FILTHY MOUTH
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Jul 25, 2009 at 11:19 PM Anonymous Says:
“ This whole affair is one big anti Semitic boondoggle precipitated by that evil rosha Dweck with the full cooperation of the FBI. There were some small time violations but nothing on the order of what this is being trumped up into.
The claim that there is a network is an obvious fabrication. There is no known connection between the 44 indicted people and the only purpose to claim a network is to sensationalize the whole affair.
The money laundering claim is bogus. Money laundering is taking dirty money such as drug money or profits from illegal activities and converting them from donations. The money provided wasn't illegal money. What happened was a form of tax evasion which is illegal but a relatively minor crime.
The sum total involved was 3.5 million divided by 44 people which works out to about 80,000 per person. A crack dealer makes more than the entire sum in an hour. My taxpayer money has been wasted on this expensive investigation of penny ante crime.
In terms of the kidney salesman, he had nothing to do with the others. Secondly, the average wait for a kidney in the US is 10 years. The average life expectancy of someone on dialysis is 3 years. This is basically a death sentence.
If the kidney guy didn't force the donors, he is an angel of mercy not a vicious traffiker in human parts.
Rabbi Kassin originally refused but the rosha Dwek, yemach shmo, pleaded that he couldn't feed his family.
All in all there were violations done that shouldn't have been but the charges here are trumped up beyond belief. ”
I can not believe what you have written, either you have an IQ of 60 or you just are too stupid to understand. This is a clear case of Money Laundering, it makes no difference where the money comes from, Any time you take a check for 500k and return 435k in cash you have laudered money, the person giving the "donation" is guilty of both tax evasion and money laundering and the person returning the "CASH" is guilty of money laundering as well as failure to reprot a transaction in excess of $10k cash. This is not an Anit-Semetic witch hunt you moron, These laws were created to protect all the citizens of this country and in recent years to futher stymie the efforts of terrorists who deal in large sums of cash. As for organ transplant charge he is trafficing in Human body parts which is a crime. Period there is no defense.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 11:34 PM anon1 Says:
“ I can not believe what you have written, either you have an IQ of 60 or you just are too stupid to understand. This is a clear case of Money Laundering, it makes no difference where the money comes from, Any time you take a check for 500k and return 435k in cash you have laudered money, the person giving the "donation" is guilty of both tax evasion and money laundering and the person returning the "CASH" is guilty of money laundering as well as failure to reprot a transaction in excess of $10k cash. This is not an Anit-Semetic witch hunt you moron, These laws were created to protect all the citizens of this country and in recent years to futher stymie the efforts of terrorists who deal in large sums of cash. As for organ transplant charge he is trafficing in Human body parts which is a crime. Period there is no defense. ”
Not true. Money laundering is only when the money was earned illegaly and you are trying to kasher it. Simply giving a check for 10 and recieing back 9 is not money laundering. It may tax evasion, but it's not money laundering. In this case, Dwek made sure to say the money was illegally gotten (Counterfiet handbages, etc), so it was money laundering. But not "any time you take a ..."
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Jul 25, 2009 at 11:38 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I can not believe what you have written, either you have an IQ of 60 or you just are too stupid to understand. This is a clear case of Money Laundering, it makes no difference where the money comes from, Any time you take a check for 500k and return 435k in cash you have laudered money, the person giving the "donation" is guilty of both tax evasion and money laundering and the person returning the "CASH" is guilty of money laundering as well as failure to reprot a transaction in excess of $10k cash. This is not an Anit-Semetic witch hunt you moron, These laws were created to protect all the citizens of this country and in recent years to futher stymie the efforts of terrorists who deal in large sums of cash. As for organ transplant charge he is trafficing in Human body parts which is a crime. Period there is no defense. ”
I concur with everything you wrote, it is a shame that so many of our brethren our so intellectual corrupt, that they will twist themselves into a pretzel to find some excuses. It is these same people who would probably do the same type of transactions if just given the opportunity.
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Jul 25, 2009 at 11:42 PM tzoorba Says:
“ I can not believe what you have written, either you have an IQ of 60 or you just are too stupid to understand. This is a clear case of Money Laundering, it makes no difference where the money comes from, Any time you take a check for 500k and return 435k in cash you have laudered money, the person giving the "donation" is guilty of both tax evasion and money laundering and the person returning the "CASH" is guilty of money laundering as well as failure to reprot a transaction in excess of $10k cash. This is not an Anit-Semetic witch hunt you moron, These laws were created to protect all the citizens of this country and in recent years to futher stymie the efforts of terrorists who deal in large sums of cash. As for organ transplant charge he is trafficing in Human body parts which is a crime. Period there is no defense. ”
An ad hominem attack is the hallmark of someone that has no arguments to muster.
You ought to check your facts before you refute my arguments with nonsense. Wikipedia states - "Money laundering is the practice of disguising illegally obtained funds so that they seem legal." Read the rest of the article and you will see that I am right and you are wrong.
This is not purely an anti Semitic operation but it is being trumped up beyond any reasonable scale in order to exonerate the fumbling FBI for wasting so much time and money for almost nothing.
There is no Jewish network here, the money involved is a pittance, and the trafficking in human body parts, while a crime that should not have been done, was done for a good cause with no undue harm to the donors. It was not a ghoulish extraction of human organs for pure profit as they would like to make it seem.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:01 AM Anonymous Says:
“ An ad hominem attack is the hallmark of someone that has no arguments to muster.
You ought to check your facts before you refute my arguments with nonsense. Wikipedia states - "Money laundering is the practice of disguising illegally obtained funds so that they seem legal." Read the rest of the article and you will see that I am right and you are wrong.
This is not purely an anti Semitic operation but it is being trumped up beyond any reasonable scale in order to exonerate the fumbling FBI for wasting so much time and money for almost nothing.
There is no Jewish network here, the money involved is a pittance, and the trafficking in human body parts, while a crime that should not have been done, was done for a good cause with no undue harm to the donors. It was not a ghoulish extraction of human organs for pure profit as they would like to make it seem.
”
Let me come to the defense of poster # 78, you yourself just made the prosecution case, if you go to the affidavit from the FBI, it states that CW explicitly told them that the money was earned by knocking off handbags, that is money earned while committing a federal crime, and then is the tax evasion charge. Like I wrote before you will look for any excuse, therefore I believe that if giving the opportunity you would do the same crime.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:16 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Nazi Germany 1930's - America 2009, same thing!! This government is outright fueling outright discrimination against orthodox Jews and what do we do about it? ZERO!! ”
You are stupid. How dare you compare! The laws are the same for all citizens. Among the arrested were Italian-, Black, Irish-, and yes also FRUM Jews. Leider.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:13 AM Anonymous Says:
I protest those comparing some US agencies to prewar Germany, although I do feel the bail issue is being handled with a double standard, and it does not make any sense why a jew should be profiled.
But USA is still a malchus shel chesed, and we pray for the success of our beautiful country USA.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 02:17 AM Anonymous Says:
I think people here don't realize that the jews in germany UNTIL 1928 or so, had it anytime as good as jews in US have or had so far. To think that it is not possible that the situation here cannot be as it was in germany is sweet dreaming. YES it can, and most likely even will although hopefully not in the lifetime of my children.. but unfortunately I feel that it will much earlier
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Jul 26, 2009 at 05:33 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Nazi Germany 1930's - America 2009, same thing!! This government is outright fueling outright discrimination against orthodox Jews and what do we do about it? ZERO!! ”
So GO LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE if you feel that way. NOBODY forces you to live in America. Isn't it ironic that these wonderful Jews won't live in Israel (they worry about the other 612 mitzvot instead, yishuv ha'artez they ignore) until they are in trouble. Then all of a sudden moving to Israel is fine with them. It just shows how twisted the minds are of these people.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:16 AM Green Man Says:
“ An ad hominem attack is the hallmark of someone that has no arguments to muster.
You ought to check your facts before you refute my arguments with nonsense. Wikipedia states - "Money laundering is the practice of disguising illegally obtained funds so that they seem legal." Read the rest of the article and you will see that I am right and you are wrong.
This is not purely an anti Semitic operation but it is being trumped up beyond any reasonable scale in order to exonerate the fumbling FBI for wasting so much time and money for almost nothing.
There is no Jewish network here, the money involved is a pittance, and the trafficking in human body parts, while a crime that should not have been done, was done for a good cause with no undue harm to the donors. It was not a ghoulish extraction of human organs for pure profit as they would like to make it seem.
”
"with no undue harm to the donors"
Hey, Tzoorba, how many kidneys have you donated lately?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:01 AM MALCHUT SHALL CHESED Says:
Remember, America is a MALCHUT SHALL CHESED , but don't forget Germany was also till Hitler came up. Be aware, WE are not guarentid in our GOLDEN LAND. Jews, stick together. Don't look for CHASRONOT on KLAL YSROEL. We have enough problems.It is erev TISHAH BAHAV. Sometimes learn from GOYIM. Blacks stick together all the time and they got there PRESIDENT in the WHITE HOUSE.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:24 AM TZADIK???????? Says:
“ So GO LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE if you feel that way. NOBODY forces you to live in America. Isn't it ironic that these wonderful Jews won't live in Israel (they worry about the other 612 mitzvot instead, yishuv ha'artez they ignore) until they are in trouble. Then all of a sudden moving to Israel is fine with them. It just shows how twisted the minds are of these people. ”
You feel very comfortable leaving among us but sending us to Isreal if we have a problem is no problem to you. You are not emuned to problems. I am shure you are not such a big Tzadik. Criticising others , you most love your brothers to feel their pain. Go say TAHILIM for them.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:14 AM innocent till found guilty Says:
“ #3--Nazis?!? Are you serious?!?! These people broke the law, get nailed for it, and your concern is that the government is treating them too harshly? Let them be seen in public with the bracelets so that others will know (or, perpahs, learn for the first time) that this behavior is unacceptable. ”
This people are only accused of breaking the law. You have concluded guilt, which is not fair. Confiscating their passports will do the job. There is JEW PROFILING among us. The government does not need your help to smear Jews and Rabbis. They do a pretty good job on their own. They will do anything to make a PIRUD NAFOSHUT between us and you are helping them. Keep your comments to yourself and maybe MASHIACH will come faster.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:59 AM tzoorba Says:
Were all the Italians treated as a flight risk to Italy? This is pure discrimination and it was reversed in the Rubashkin case.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:57 AM tzoorba Says:
“ Let me come to the defense of poster # 78, you yourself just made the prosecution case, if you go to the affidavit from the FBI, it states that CW explicitly told them that the money was earned by knocking off handbags, that is money earned while committing a federal crime, and then is the tax evasion charge. Like I wrote before you will look for any excuse, therefore I believe that if giving the opportunity you would do the same crime.
”
What is knocking off handbags? He had a ring of people grabbing handbags from old ladies? He copied other types of handbags like all Chinese products do? What exactly did he do that was illegal? Did all those that accepted money from him realize that this was illegal?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:59 AM Megahouse Says:
“ How are they going to show up in Israel without passports? ”
C'mon now, Millehouse, you are not that naive. Passports are purchasable. It's no big deal, they don't even cost one gemorrah.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:43 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Nazi Germany 1930's - America 2009, same thing!! This government is outright fueling outright discrimination against orthodox Jews and what do we do about it? ZERO!! ”
Shut your dirty mouth maligning the best country on earth with the best human rights and standard of living.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:43 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Nazi Germany 1930's - America 2009, same thing!! This government is outright fueling outright discrimination against orthodox Jews and what do we do about it? ZERO!! ”
Shut your dirty mouth maligning the best country on earth with the best human rights and standard of living.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:43 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Nazi Germany 1930's - America 2009, same thing!! This government is outright fueling outright discrimination against orthodox Jews and what do we do about it? ZERO!! ”
Shut your dirty mouth maligning the best country on earth with the best human rights and standard of living.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 01:55 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Shut your dirty mouth maligning the best country on earth with the best human rights and standard of living. ”
“ Shut your dirty mouth maligning the best country on earth with the best human rights and standard of living. ”
“ Shut your dirty mouth maligning the best country on earth with the best human rights and standard of living. ”
that was there too
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:42 AM Anonymous Says:
“ The rabbonim have to wear electronic ankle bracelets and they are not happy aboutit because of shabbos but that is apparently the standard federal policy for those who are viewed as a "flight risk". I'm sure there is some heter since wearing these electronic gadgets is beyond their control. ”
I think those so called Rabbonim should have thought about this on before committing crimes!
To say that they might be worried about Shabbos is a joke, what about all the other halochos that they broke by committing those offences?!
Sadly the brain of some Chareidim doesn't function right, as they seem never to be concerned about how to get to money and don't bother if it involves cheating or lying.
Instead of sitting in Kollel all day get a part time Job and support yourselves instead of schnorring money out of everything.