“ did he @ the end save any lives? ”

“ did he @ the end save any lives? ”

“ he may have made money but in cases of pikuach nefesh the ends DO justify the means !!! enough said case closed BAIL HIM OUT ”

“ assuming all that is alleged against him is true ..how do you think this will play out in front of jury most of whom are gentile...i am amazed reading the various posts over the last few days that find ways of defending this sort of behavior and even blaming the government or the informers....jewish charities in the USA should not be in the money laundering business period! there is nothing to discuss in that regard in my opinion....and by the way a kidney transplant is not necessarily "pikuach nefesh" people are maintained for years on hemodialysis and there is powerful and potentially dangerous anti-rejection drugs these patients take for the rest of their lives that do have serious side effects. how many people in bourough park donate their organs (such as kidneys) altruistically? (that means for a mitzvah not for money)..? according to those who feel it is saving a life (like number 8) here is your chance to step up and donate one of yours (assuming you are healthy) so...is it all talk on your part or will you lead the way
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“ bezras hashem when you'll be on dialysis due to kidney failure, we'll remember just to daven for you, and not chas veshalom look for a kidney donor because we wouldn't want to ruin your quality of life.
And, lets just say that people don't want to donate kidney but they would do it for money? What's wrong with that? No-one works for free. There are a lot of yesomim around. Why don't we hear of melamdim quitting their jobs to tutor all these boys for free? Becuase it's not a free world. And if someone sick cannot get a donated kidney, then aderaba, buy one. And maybe for money, someone will be willing to do something for a stranger that they wouldn't do for free. ”

“ bezras hashem when you'll be on dialysis due to kidney failure, we'll remember just to daven for you, and not chas veshalom look for a kidney donor because we wouldn't want to ruin your quality of life.
And, lets just say that people don't want to donate kidney but they would do it for money? What's wrong with that? No-one works for free. There are a lot of yesomim around. Why don't we hear of melamdim quitting their jobs to tutor all these boys for free? Becuase it's not a free world. And if someone sick cannot get a donated kidney, then aderaba, buy one. And maybe for money, someone will be willing to do something for a stranger that they wouldn't do for free. ”

“ You're a sicko. I'd like to see you give up your kidney at gunpoint. If the Chassidim make a hero out of this criminal, I'm going to throw up. ”

“ You're a sicko. I'd like to see you give up your kidney at gunpoint. If the Chassidim make a hero out of this criminal, I'm going to throw up. ”

“ You're a sicko. I'd like to see you give up your kidney at gunpoint. If the Chassidim make a hero out of this criminal, I'm going to throw up. ”

“ as a practicing surgeon i can say that kidney transplants are not necessarily life saving..they do enhance a quality of life but there are substantive post operative issues that blurr the life saving component... it is certainly not black and white as number 1 seems to imply...
the issue of paid organ transplantation is a valid political discussion and my sympathies are towards an honest regulated market, however in 2009 it is illegal in the USA to traffic in organs...if you want to traffic in organs no matter how noble your calling (i am sure $160,000 had nothing to do with it in this particular case) then be prepared to go to jail as a political dissident .. and fight to change the law ”

“ Taking advantage of people desperate for a kidney by charging them $160,000 is justifiable?


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“ You're a sicko. I'd like to see you give up your kidney at gunpoint. If the Chassidim make a hero out of this criminal, I'm going to throw up. ”

“ You are a surgeon? maybe for ingrown toe nails.. i have a relative that (after 5 years on dialysis) the doctors gave him a few months to live if he does'nt come up with a kidney, due to his rear blood type none of his friends or family matched his type, so he was just preparing to die.
Miraculously a relative from E.Y. came to a simcha, and his blood type matched, so he decided to give him a kidney.
Otherwise? I don't know, but don't come and say it doesn't save lives, it does! you can't live 120 years on dialysis. ”

“ How about that the donor gets a measly $10,000 and this Rosenbaum who according to Emes 10:21am "was doing pure chesed, altruism" pockets about $150,000 ???? A real tzadik???? "No-one works for free"... there is a HUGE difference between "free" and a 1600% markup No ????? How stupid do you think people are ??? Try being honest for a change and stop dreying a kop thinking that everyone will swallow all the krume spin. ”

“ You are a surgeon? maybe for ingrown toe nails.. i have a relative that (after 5 years on dialysis) the doctors gave him a few months to live if he does'nt come up with a kidney, due to his rear blood type none of his friends or family matched his type, so he was just preparing to die.
Miraculously a relative from E.Y. came to a simcha, and his blood type matched, so he decided to give him a kidney.
Otherwise? I don't know, but don't come and say it doesn't save lives, it does! you can't live 120 years on dialysis. ”

“ The reason he sold at that price was to cover the medical expenses meaning if a yid came by and he had 2 kidnnys he usely gave one and sold the others to help the yid cover his medical expenses maybe he charge the yid a small token sum but he would cover the bulk he made very lil of the profit for himself ”

“ Why this attack against Chassidim? Look how people are ready to attack Chassidim. This man was Litvishe and sent his kids to Litvishe Yeshiva - yet people are ready to attack Chassidim. It is interesting, though. It is almost that devout looking Jew= chassid. Mmm... ”

“ The reason he sold at that price was to cover the medical expenses meaning if a yid came by and he had 2 kidnnys he usely gave one and sold the others to help the yid cover his medical expenses maybe he charge the yid a small token sum but he would cover the bulk he made very lil of the profit for himself ”

“ Robert could I come and inspect your bank account, taxes, books, workers & the way you do business & keep shabboss.
I suggest you shut up people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It takes one to know one, your are definatly the one, although I am less convinced Rosenbaum is, BTW it is all based on evidence & soundbites gathered & edited by arch thief Dreck, who managed to get a bank to part with 25 million for a piece of paper. I guess you noticed the bank staff has yet to be paraded B4 cameras in cuffs for their sin.
Robert or what ever your name is when they Chas veshalom [I hope you do tshuva soon] catch you for being a sergeon without a liscence(at least claiming to be one) & all the rest of your crimes & parade you B4 the cameras how would you like us to speak like you did. Based on biased media & an archcrook.
Say you did nothing ever which I highly doubt, BC baal mum bemumo Posel, but what proof do you have they did anything they were not convicted in court let alone beis Din & for sure not bais din shel maaloh.
Now go 2what it is rumoured Moshe Finkel did on Thursday night. ”

“ go around, find one person that gave him 160,000 for a kidney. the never asked this amount.
This Mr Drek probably offered him this amount to show desperation, and to deliver to the feds a heavy fish.. ”

“ Nowhere does it say that he profited 150k. 150k was used to pay off many people to extract, preserve and transfer the kidney illegaly. I'm sure this was a very complicated process with a lot of people and doctors (and airlines) getting paid off. 160k is pretty cheap. ”

“ actually it is head and neck surgery.. i don't do feet.
what i did say and stand by is that kidney donation/transplantation is not as black and white as some people make it out to be.... in the aggregate, it is often a useful medical therapy that is complex and beneficial to many but not to all..every individual case is unique with it's own issues and dynamic.
that doesnt even touch on the risk to the healthy donor..
i am happy to hear that you have a tsadik of a relative who did a tremendous chesed and donated his kidney... i wish there were more like him...if there were, we probably wouldnt be having this discussion about illegal organ trafficking and of alleged immoral profiteering.. ”

“ go around, find one person that gave him 160,000 for a kidney. the never asked this amount.
This Mr Drek probably offered him this amount to show desperation, and to deliver to the feds a heavy fish.. ”

“ Robert could I come and inspect your bank account, taxes, books, workers & the way you do business & keep shabboss.
I suggest you shut up people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It takes one to know one, your are definatly the one, although I am less convinced Rosenbaum is, BTW it is all based on evidence & soundbites gathered & edited by arch thief Dreck, who managed to get a bank to part with 25 million for a piece of paper. I guess you noticed the bank staff has yet to be paraded B4 cameras in cuffs for their sin.
Robert or what ever your name is when they Chas veshalom [I hope you do tshuva soon] catch you for being a sergeon without a liscence(at least claiming to be one) & all the rest of your crimes & parade you B4 the cameras how would you like us to speak like you did. Based on biased media & an archcrook.
Say you did nothing ever which I highly doubt, BC baal mum bemumo Posel, but what proof do you have they did anything they were not convicted in court let alone beis Din & for sure not bais din shel maaloh.
Now go 2what it is rumoured Moshe Finkel did on Thursday night. ”

“ How about that the donor gets a measly $10,000 and this Rosenbaum who according to Emes 10:21am "was doing pure chesed, altruism" pockets about $150,000 ???? A real tzadik???? "No-one works for free"... there is a HUGE difference between "free" and a 1600% markup No ????? How stupid do you think people are ??? Try being honest for a change and stop dreying a kop thinking that everyone will swallow all the krume spin. ”

“ no you can not come and inspect me.
if you read my posts, i am careful to say alleged improprieties ... unfortunately if they are indeed true that is tragic for all involved and the jewish community at large.
since you like quotes about glass houses.. let me give you another one. where there is smoke there is fire.
as for my profession whether you believe me or not is irrelevant. ( as for licesure i am actively licensed in 3 states).
most likely i know more about kidney transplantation then you do ( i do however admit the possibility you know more) hence my thoughts on organ trafficking.
we are all far from perfect and i admit my limitations ..
lastly i dont know of finkel and his rumours... i know what i read in the news papers imperfect as they are.. i hope your implication of innocence here turns out to be correct.. in time we shall see.
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“ 1. whether he sold the kidney for $1 or $160000 is not the point its the same law that he broke but what are you so mad about that he took such a big profit why are you paying for his lawyer now???????? he knew there is a risk involved and risk is money if it would be legal then you would find kidneys for much cheaper. and in regards that he allegedly pulled out a gun that story has no credibility. ”

“ So the guy who sold his kidney made 10k. The price was 140k. On the surface it definitely looks like he was gauging the desperate. If so the jury will find him guilty and he will go to jail for life. But there are doctors who were paid. they don't work for free. If it turns out that he didn't make that much money then I see the defense. Line up five recipients who are alive today because of him and wait for the jury to do the rest. If kevorkian was able to manipulate the jury's sympathy for killing people than certainly this guy will convince the jury that he saved people. It all depends on how much he made. ”

“ He saved many lives ”

“ Robert could I come and inspect your bank account, taxes, books, workers & the way you do business & keep shabboss.
I suggest you shut up people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It takes one to know one, your are definatly the one, although I am less convinced Rosenbaum is, BTW it is all based on evidence & soundbites gathered & edited by arch thief Dreck, who managed to get a bank to part with 25 million for a piece of paper. I guess you noticed the bank staff has yet to be paraded B4 cameras in cuffs for their sin.
Robert or what ever your name is when they Chas veshalom [I hope you do tshuva soon] catch you for being a sergeon without a liscence(at least claiming to be one) & all the rest of your crimes & parade you B4 the cameras how would you like us to speak like you did. Based on biased media & an archcrook.
Say you did nothing ever which I highly doubt, BC baal mum bemumo Posel, but what proof do you have they did anything they were not convicted in court let alone beis Din & for sure not bais din shel maaloh.
Now go 2what it is rumoured Moshe Finkel did on Thursday night. ”

“ he may have made money but in cases of pikuach nefesh the ends DO justify the means !!! enough said case closed BAIL HIM OUT ”

“ Dear Sir it is a shame that you are such an ignaramous. This man is a physician and healer and has spent the better part of his life (like most of us in medicine) either in school or residency or taking call at night & you have the impunity to malign this person for speaking the truth. First you should be ashamed of yourself, as an adult your spelling, English grammar are that of a 1st grader. Perhaps you need to go back to school. As for derech eretz you have NONE! The next time you need a doctor I suggest you go see mr. rosenbaum, because with such a dislike & distrust of a physician you definetly should not see one. Also I suspect you are one those patients we call non-compliant. In other words you come to us to get treated & then don't follow our treatment plan and come back and complain you are not getting better. Perhaps that is a result of your poor education. ”

“ Why is everyone missing the boat here? It doesn't matter how much he sold them for or whether or not he had good intentions. If he did in fact set a fixed price to them then, regardless of how much profit he made, he broke the law and, whether he's litvish, chasidishe, black, white, or Argentinian, he will be brought to justice. If the law was left up to people's good intentions we'd all be in big trouble. I wish I could assume his innocence but, if he is in fact proven guilty, the chilul hashem is just unforgivable. ”

“ You're a sicko. I'd like to see you give up your kidney at gunpoint. If the Chassidim make a hero out of this criminal, I'm going to throw up. ”

“ You are a sicko if you beieve that people gave up their kidneys "at gunpoint". Only an idiot would buy that BS. But you seem to have such a hatred against your fellow yid, that you buy anything said, and accept it as truth.
It is virtually impossible to "force" someone to give their organs to anyone. The procedure is too long, arduous, and far too many people involved.
Join us in being "dan l'kaf z'chus". This way Hashem will do the same to you, rtaher than chalila "farkehrt" ”

“ Dear Sir it is a shame that you are such an ignaramous. This man is a physician and healer and has spent the better part of his life (like most of us in medicine) either in school or residency or taking call at night & you have the impunity to malign this person for speaking the truth. First you should be ashamed of yourself, as an adult your spelling, English grammar are that of a 1st grader. Perhaps you need to go back to school. As for derech eretz you have NONE! The next time you need a doctor I suggest you go see mr. rosenbaum, because with such a dislike & distrust of a physician you definetly should not see one. Also I suspect you are one those patients we call non-compliant. In other words you come to us to get treated & then don't follow our treatment plan and come back and complain you are not getting better. Perhaps that is a result of your poor education. ”

“ Dear Sir it is a shame that you are such an ignaramous. This man is a physician and healer and has spent the better part of his life (like most of us in medicine) either in school or residency or taking call at night & you have the impunity to malign this person for speaking the truth. First you should be ashamed of yourself, as an adult your spelling, English grammar are that of a 1st grader. Perhaps you need to go back to school. As for derech eretz you have NONE! The next time you need a doctor I suggest you go see mr. rosenbaum, because with such a dislike & distrust of a physician you definetly should not see one. Also I suspect you are one those patients we call non-compliant. In other words you come to us to get treated & then don't follow our treatment plan and come back and complain you are not getting better. Perhaps that is a result of your poor education. ”

“ I happened to pay all taxes & never do a shvindle myself,I also will not deal with a ganev, & won't eat in their house or at their simchos. What bothers me is that you come here as Mr, Tzadik & look at those arrested as Mr Rosha & Mr.Disgrace.
You miss the point that this was witch hunt against klal Yisroel like Kamza & Bar Kamza, by the biggest crook turn coat moiser, instead of understanding that this is a gezeira on all of us, when you see Rabbis going out in handcuffs & a moiser meraked beineinu, you become witness judge & jury, and call the arrested Ganovim.
I don't condone Geneiva, but nor do I trust a conman Moiser biggest Ganev.
I blog Under the name Loshon Hora, I don't claim to be an MD, If I was I wouldn't be blogging I would be busy with my patients. Dr Asher Lipner posts under his name. I don't believe that either of you are physicians, I also suspect you two are the same person.
I haven't visited a Doctor motre than four years I do pay insurance.
This is a blog you get my message no matter how I spell. You don't need school for spelling today, spellcheck if you care to use it does the job.
As for your diagnosis of me by reading my blogs over the blog, would make you as good as the Doctor at HEK who diagnosed a mother with MBP, without evaluating her, or having the credentials to do so.
If you are actually an MD please give us your name, such diagnosis is very dangerous, & I should know never to use you. ”

“ first of all, i am not the other poster "a frum MD" despite your rantings (right you only judge lkaff zechus) as for me i dont judge individuals but i will judge alleged behavior..
i hope you are correct and that they are all innocent, however if they or someone acted as they are accused by the government i will say here clearly that is bad behavior and needs to be condemned.and repudiated by the jewish community. we all make mistakes and have yom kippur for that.

personally i am thrilled to hear you make blue cross rich and dont need medical services.. as i posted yesterday it is utterly meaningless to me whether you beleive i am a licensed practicing physician. i too pay my taxes in fact i even pay FICA, unmployment and workmens comp on our cleaning lady ....

i do keep my privacy, however if you are really that eager give me your cell number and i will call you and we can shmooze.. ill then give you my office number and hopefully we can find common ground. ”

“ Would you believe I don't have a cell phone more than 8 years now, I found it unhealthy Beruchnius Uvegashmius.
Please realize labeling people who were named by the FBI & not being Don Lecaf Zechus is no way a comparison to labeling anonymous bloggers.
If I get the chance to amke a free email address at one the free companies BL"N I may post it so we could work that way or you could & BL'N i will give you a phone number.
What bothers me so much over here is: I am a decendant of someone who sat in jail [solitary confinement] on death row for a blood libel: His sin was he was a shochet Rov Chazan Mikveh Yid rosh Yeshive & Melamed Tinokes of a small Village, he was also taken out in cuffs Paraded & inserted in to the newspapers together with the nearby Matzo bakery yid & other shtetle Rabonim, with big nisim he got free.All these stories all started with a Golus Yid disgrunted moiser, & there were those Golus Yiden who Judged him guilty.{Kamza Ubarkamza}
Get real that is this story over here, open your eyes look at the timing,BTW others in the blood libel group were hung. [It was dropped once & reopened.] Even if CH"V some are covicted there is still a great probability of innosence.
Chas Veshalom where in any of my posts do I condone Genaiva, I shun Dreck the Moiser arch ganev all the way. I believe he went in stages & this is a product of aveira Goreres avaira. Let us learn from the predator how he stooped after stealing & not the victims.
What caused this? I don't know all of us have aveiros.{I am no Novie}
Think when a political campeign hears that money was maded against the law they return donations. In Dweck's case when he gave money they took when he colapsed they shuned him. Did any Moisad return his donations or work with the bank on a payment plan. Had they, it would have been a Kidush Hashem, & may have saved him, & saved this whole saga. I understand mosdos are penyless, but what type of Torah & Yiras Shomayim comes from fraud money.Had I owned a mosad who benifited I would have made a special appeal to return it.
Now all those Rabonim & Chachomim against the laundry, are the Mosdos you send your children to clean. YU had Bernie & cronies on the board. Think a minute.
So learn from the predator not the victims conviction or vindication is no proof. Look at OJ simpson vindicated in criminal court & convicted in civil court, I let you decide. ”