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"'You can't build here, you can't build there' – it's as if we were their slaves," the rabbi protested. "We are being ruled by slaves," he said," adding that, "Our messiah will come and throw them out."
Rabbi Ovadia also bemoaned the current reality in the Temple Mount, saying: "Where is our temple? There are Arabs there!" He then promised that the messiah "will throw all these evil ones out of here."
Rabbi Ovadia's sermon was mostly dedicated to the customs of the Fast of Tisha B'Av, which will be marked on Thursday. He stressed that reading the newspaper was forbidden on that day, because it was a distraction from the day's mourning. The rabbi stated that taking a walk on Tisha B'Av is prohibited as well.
Instead of studying Torah, which is also forbidden, Rabbi Ovadia recommended to study mourning rituals or books on ethics.
However, he noted that in general, only by studying the Torah can the arrival of the Messiah be brought closer.
It marked the latest swipe in Israel at US President Barack Obama's administration over its repeated demands that the Jewish state stop all settlement activity in the occupied West Bank including annexed east Jerusalem.
The demands have created tensions between the two close allies not seen in years.
Born in Iraq in 1920, Yosef is a former Sephardic chief rabbi of Israel and a controversial figure who has in the past referred to Arabs and Palestinians as "snakes" and "vipers" who were "swarming like ants."
He called on God to strike down then prime minister Ariel Sharon over the 2005 withdrawal of settlers and soldiers from the Gaza Strip and during the Lebanon war in July-August 2006, implied that Israeli soldiers killed in battle died because they didn't follow Jewish commandments.
In 2000 he sparked outrage when he said that the six million Jewish victims of the Nazi Holocaust did "not die for nothing," but were the "reincarnation of Jews who had sinned" in previous generations.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:33 AM bunimfrombrooklyn Says:
woe is to Barack when a man of such a great stature speaks against him
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:37 AM Anonymous Says:
That's fine, but is he also willing to turn down all U.S. aid to Israel?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:36 AM yosse nathan Says:
this what we need from the rabbonim to get up and say it the way it is. if more people in eretz yisrael did this type of public talking about this issue we would be much better off. the same thing should be done here in America. call chuck schumer and jerrold Nader and all the other repesenitives from the united states. the world likes Jews who are quiet like sheep and go to slaughter . the world gets very scared when Jews get tough and stop letting themselves be bullied around .
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:42 AM yenta Says:
with all due respect, r"ovadia should not refer to the president of the us as a "slave" the implications of which are so obvious, and the repercussions ha'Shem yishmereinu
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:42 AM avodim mashlhu banu Says:
Finally there's a Gadol that speaks the truth. Whether its Obama or someone else part of Galus is "avadim mashlu bannu.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:46 AM yeedle Says:
Israel was a nation with a King who wrote the Psalms when all of Europe was still crisscrossed by illiterate nomadic tribes who lived from hunting and pillaging.
Here is Europe (& its offspring, the US)debating whether Israel has a right to exist, and if yes, where they are permitted to build their houses.
Our shortcoming is that we don’t realize who we are.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:46 AM Anonymous Says:
“ with all due respect, r"ovadia should not refer to the president of the us as a "slave" the implications of which are so obvious, and the repercussions ha'Shem yishmereinu ”
We all need to stop treating Obama with kid gloves. He is a hateful, anti-semite and racist.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:07 AM Anonymous Says:
What a Chilul Hasham! Hisrogshes B'Imum! Shame on you!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:09 AM Anonymous Says:
Chilil hashem
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:07 AM Anonymous Says:
“ with all due respect, r"ovadia should not refer to the president of the us as a "slave" the implications of which are so obvious, and the repercussions ha'Shem yishmereinu ”
He said we are not their slaves
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:06 AM Levi Says:
“ That's fine, but is he also willing to turn down all U.S. aid to Israel? ”
If that what need be done then so be it. We don't sell our land for money!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:59 AM jancsibacsi Says:
“ Finally there's a Gadol that speaks the truth. Whether its Obama or someone else part of Galus is "avadim mashlu bannu. ”
he lives in a fantasy of his own youre gadol this is the real world not an imagined wolrld of rabbi ovadia wake up
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:57 AM jancsibacsi Says:
“ Israel was a nation with a King who wrote the Psalms when all of Europe was still crisscrossed by illiterate nomadic tribes who lived from hunting and pillaging.
Here is Europe (& its offspring, the US)debating whether Israel has a right to exist, and if yes, where they are permitted to build their houses.
Our shortcoming is that we don’t realize who we are. ”
youre shortcoming is that that you dont know what youre talking about a tottal nincapup you are we live today not yesterday wake up
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:54 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Israel was a nation with a King who wrote the Psalms when all of Europe was still crisscrossed by illiterate nomadic tribes who lived from hunting and pillaging.
Here is Europe (& its offspring, the US)debating whether Israel has a right to exist, and if yes, where they are permitted to build their houses.
Our shortcoming is that we don’t realize who we are. ”
by that standard, we should be greek. david hamelech was a nomadic simpleton compared to city state cultures of the aegean bronze age.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:15 AM Charlie Hall Says:
“ If that what need be done then so be it. We don't sell our land for money! ”
Actually, we do -- every shmittah year. It is called the heter mechirah. Rav Yosef himself did that when he was Chief Rabbi and he still approves of it!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:14 AM Achakeh Lo B'chol Yom Says:
Before Moshaiach comes, Yishmael will rule, that's what the Novi says, and isn't Obama, Yishmael? We can't say the nevuah isn't going to happen, but, we can say just like that will come to pass, so will Moshiach come and our Bais Hamikdash will be rebuilt.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:19 AM Avrohom Abba Says:
“ That's fine, but is he also willing to turn down all U.S. aid to Israel? ”
U.S. aid to Israel is only 3.2 billion and guess what wise guy, Israel spends 2.6 billion of that "aid" to buy the latest jet fighters and weaponry from the U.S. Therefore, that money you call "aid" virtually stays here in America, stimulating American jobs, taxes and growth. Growth? Yes, Unlike other countries receiving "aid," Israel spends more of it on U.S. products than any other nation.
Additionally, the U.S. is super glad to buy the latest in high technology from Israeli software and chip companies, which are the cutting edge of technology on Earth, and the U.S. also gets the extreme latest in camera surveillance chips and drones on the planet.
Mr. Obama is endangering a lot more than he thinks by telling Israel what to do. Somehow, Mr. Obama doesn't have the guts to tell Iran to shut up and cancel their nuclear prograsm immediately. He wants them to have more time to contemplate.
Meanwhile, Iran has already threatened a FEW different nations with destruction besides his famous rants against Jews, woops, I mean Israel.
Israel has had nuclear bopmbs since 1952 and they have more than 325 nuclear bombs right now, and yet you NEVER heard Israel threaten anyone with their bombs.
"Aid?" You say, "aid?"
It's the other way around...that's why they call Israel a friend. It's not the big love for democracy as they so often repeat, man, it's the money, the weaponry and the knowledge. Israel is the fourth most powerful nuclear nation on Earth.
Yet, Mr. Obama only knows how to give Israel orders.
1. Don't build the settlements
2. Take down the wall.
3. Don't retaliate against Iran.
4. Make "peace" with the Syrians and Lebanon and the "Palestinians."
What utter chutzpah!!
He thinks because he hired a Jew to be his "Chief of Staff" that everyone will be fooled into thinking that Rahm Emanuel does something? The man is a puppet hired to placate the Jews while he keeps his mouth shut.
Mr. Obama, "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones."
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:10 AM Anonymous Says:
“ We all need to stop treating Obama with kid gloves. He is a hateful, anti-semite and racist. ”
Disagreements over the best way to achieve peace does not make one an anti-semite or racist. If Obama was such an anti-semite, why would he have so many Jewish friends and so many jews in his administration. Many jews also have problems with the settlements, and they certainly aren't anti-semites.
Name calling is not going to help persuade anyone that U.S. policy should be different. Try to come up with some rational, reasoned and articulate arguments. If you can't do that, its better to keep your mouth shut because you are just hurting your cause.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:40 AM Horav Yossef Says:
Can Horav Ovadya Yosef please make up his mind on his stance! In the past he and Horav Schach were from the "left" wing philosophy to GIVE land to arabs and they opposed the Lubavitcher Rebbe/ No he switched and turned "right" wing"...!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:37 AM Anonymous Says:
“ with all due respect, r"ovadia should not refer to the president of the us as a "slave" the implications of which are so obvious, and the repercussions ha'Shem yishmereinu ”
Why not. He certainly is not a
President. He acts like a freed slave grabbing wh*t he can. And isa no friend of Israel
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:57 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Disagreements over the best way to achieve peace does not make one an anti-semite or racist. If Obama was such an anti-semite, why would he have so many Jewish friends and so many jews in his administration. Many jews also have problems with the settlements, and they certainly aren't anti-semites.
Name calling is not going to help persuade anyone that U.S. policy should be different. Try to come up with some rational, reasoned and articulate arguments. If you can't do that, its better to keep your mouth shut because you are just hurting your cause. ”
Obama doesn't have Jewish friends. He has court Jews who will be dispensed with by his angry subjects when the time comes.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:54 AM Anonymous Says:
He is right. As long as we allow any other leader to tell us what to do, we are a pathetic excuse for a sovereign country. We are in all reality SLAVES to the US.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:07 AM Anonymous Says:
Where are all CHILLUL HASHEM watchers now?
isn't this a bigger chillul Hashem than protesting against the Zionist government? isn't this chillul Hashem worse than burning some garbage dumpsters in Jerusalem?
A Rabbi talking this way to a president is a much bigger chillul
Hashem than all chillul Hashems being criticized on this site (that may or may not be chillul hashem at all)..
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM Anonymous Says:
Rabbi Ovadia Yosef predicted Ariel Sharon's coma almost a year before it happened. He said on Purim that "now he (Sharon) throws Jews out of their homes and afterwards he will fall into a deep sleep from which he will never awaken".
Of course at the time it was impossible to understand and strange to hear.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:04 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Disagreements over the best way to achieve peace does not make one an anti-semite or racist. If Obama was such an anti-semite, why would he have so many Jewish friends and so many jews in his administration. Many jews also have problems with the settlements, and they certainly aren't anti-semites.
Name calling is not going to help persuade anyone that U.S. policy should be different. Try to come up with some rational, reasoned and articulate arguments. If you can't do that, its better to keep your mouth shut because you are just hurting your cause. ”
Even a goy, Rush Limbaugh wondered aloud what Mr. Obama had against Israel (let's not get into a whole conversation about Rush ;) )
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM Eim B'Yisroel Says:
The fact is that giving away land has not proven to bring peace, on the contrary, it has proven to bring more death and destruction to our fellow Yidden. The Lubavitcher Rebbe ztz"l was right. Anyone who demands that Israel do anything that is not good for Israel is no friend. As the saying goes, with friends like that, we don't need enemies!!!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:10 AM Anonymous Says:
The US government is funneling billions of dollars to Israel every year (no matter how Israel spends it, it's still free lunch..), so they have the right to tell Israel what to do and what not to do!
The Israelis have the right of argument, but to refer to this like Rav Ovadia did is outrageous and disgusting, and a big chilul hashem.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:08 AM Anonymous Says:
“ What a Chilul Hasham! Hisrogshes B'Imum! Shame on you! ”
shame on you!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:08 AM Anonymous Says:
“ with all due respect, r"ovadia should not refer to the president of the us as a "slave" the implications of which are so obvious, and the repercussions ha'Shem yishmereinu ”
yenta,
if you have the chutzpa to tell the gadol hador what to say and what not to say, then that's your choice. but don't pretend to think that you are mitigating the hell you will get for it by prefacing your statement with the words "with all due respect".
you clearly don't know what respect is.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:35 AM Jicky Says:
Did Rabbi Ovadyeh forget that we are in Golus ? What's with him ?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:58 AM Anonymous Says:
go rabbi go say it how it is
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:56 AM esther Says:
“ by that standard, we should be greek. david hamelech was a nomadic simpleton compared to city state cultures of the aegean bronze age. ”
LEHAVDIL!!!i'm speechless.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:12 PM Let me help you Says:
“ Can Horav Ovadya Yosef please make up his mind on his stance! In the past he and Horav Schach were from the "left" wing philosophy to GIVE land to arabs and they opposed the Lubavitcher Rebbe/ No he switched and turned "right" wing"...! ”
They were willing to give land IF it helped. Once the arabs yemach sh'mom v'zichrom proved they couldnt be trusted worth a lick, Rav Yosef is now on the other side.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:11 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Before Moshaiach comes, Yishmael will rule, that's what the Novi says, and isn't Obama, Yishmael? We can't say the nevuah isn't going to happen, but, we can say just like that will come to pass, so will Moshiach come and our Bais Hamikdash will be rebuilt. ”
Obama is not an Arab, so he is not Yishmoel. Even his ancestors, who were Muslims, were not Arabs, but Muslim. And, yes, for those are ignorant, there is a difference between Arabs and Muslims. Arabs are a nation, Islam is a religion. There are many non-Arabs who are Muslims.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:10 PM NB Says:
You know.. I have to say the hypocricy is mind boggling.
The typical guy here decries the "thought control" of Rabbis that try to control everything we think and do..
And then you turn around and anyone that doesn't agree with your narrow right wing views...is an anti semite...etc..
You have no respect for any dissenting opinion.
So who's guilty of "thought control"?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:12 PM Let me help you Says:
“ Can Horav Ovadya Yosef please make up his mind on his stance! In the past he and Horav Schach were from the "left" wing philosophy to GIVE land to arabs and they opposed the Lubavitcher Rebbe/ No he switched and turned "right" wing"...! ”
They were willing to give land IF it helped. Once the arabs yemach sh'mom v'zichrom proved they couldnt be trusted worth a lick, Rav Yosef is now on the other side.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:11 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Before Moshaiach comes, Yishmael will rule, that's what the Novi says, and isn't Obama, Yishmael? We can't say the nevuah isn't going to happen, but, we can say just like that will come to pass, so will Moshiach come and our Bais Hamikdash will be rebuilt. ”
Obama is not an Arab, so he is not Yishmoel. Even his ancestors, who were Muslims, were not Arabs, but Muslim. And, yes, for those are ignorant, there is a difference between Arabs and Muslims. Arabs are a nation, Islam is a religion. There are many non-Arabs who are Muslims.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:10 PM NB Says:
You know.. I have to say the hypocricy is mind boggling.
The typical guy here decries the "thought control" of Rabbis that try to control everything we think and do..
And then you turn around and anyone that doesn't agree with your narrow right wing views...is an anti semite...etc..
You have no respect for any dissenting opinion.
So who's guilty of "thought control"?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have... Says:
“ Even a goy, Rush Limbaugh wondered aloud what Mr. Obama had against Israel (let's not get into a whole conversation about Rush ;) ) ”
Rush wasnt the only one to ask that question. Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, Michael Medved (by the way a frum shomer Torah u'Mitzvos ) as well others on the right asked that too.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:07 PM Anonymous Says:
“ with all due respect, r"ovadia should not refer to the president of the us as a "slave" the implications of which are so obvious, and the repercussions ha'Shem yishmereinu ”
Why don't you read before you comment. Rav Ovadia did not refer to President Obama as a slave. He said that we Jews are not slaves of the US
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:06 PM NB Says:
Oh please..
Israel is living with their head in the sand for years now..and whenever someone dare mention the reality as it is..theyre ostracized..
I for one agree with every word of Obama...
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:35 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Where are all CHILLUL HASHEM watchers now?
isn't this a bigger chillul Hashem than protesting against the Zionist government? isn't this chillul Hashem worse than burning some garbage dumpsters in Jerusalem?
A Rabbi talking this way to a president is a much bigger chillul
Hashem than all chillul Hashems being criticized on this site (that may or may not be chillul hashem at all).. ”
you know better than r ovadia whats considered a chillul hashem?! you disgust me you are a chillul hashem.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:42 PM Anonymous Says:
Rav Ovadia has prov-en himself to be time and time again a bigot not only towards blacks and Arabs but towards Ashkenazim too. All of you who support his manor of speech are probably bigots too.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:41 PM Anonymous Says:
Why is everyone so blind. We can't live in la la land forever. If we really want Moshiach we have to know that before He comes, terrible things will happen to the world. (Unless we truly deserve him to come, we're going to suffer)
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Where are all CHILLUL HASHEM watchers now?
isn't this a bigger chillul Hashem than protesting against the Zionist government? isn't this chillul Hashem worse than burning some garbage dumpsters in Jerusalem?
A Rabbi talking this way to a president is a much bigger chillul
Hashem than all chillul Hashems being criticized on this site (that may or may not be chillul hashem at all).. ”
maybe after you know kol hatorah kula like r ovadia you can comment that what he said is a chillul hashem. untill then i think he knows better than you. you are a disgusting pig who knows nothing and berates gedolei hador. you are the chillul hashem!!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 12:55 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Rav Ovadia has prov-en himself to be time and time again a bigot not only towards blacks and Arabs but towards Ashkenazim too. All of you who support his manor of speech are probably bigots too. ”
can you cite examples before you accuse one of the gedolei hador? behaima!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 01:06 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Finally there's a Gadol that speaks the truth. Whether its Obama or someone else part of Galus is "avadim mashlu bannu. ”
if im not mistaken their was a rabbi in crown height that spoke even harder about this already 30 plus years ago now you waking up.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 01:00 PM Anonymous Says:
According to the article, he says "Our messiah will come and throw them out."
I am puzzled by the reference to "Our." Isn't Moshiach for everyone, not just "ours"?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 01:27 PM Anonymous Says:
“ can you cite examples before you accuse one of the gedolei hador? behaima! ”
The examples are in this article among many others;"We are being ruled by slaves," he is refering to Obama as a slave "the six million Jewish victims of the Nazi Holocaust did "not die for nothing," but were the "reincarnation of Jews who had sinned" in previous generations" I don't see anything worse than a Jew whose family and community have not perished in the Holocaust justify the Holocaust. Why don't you read before you comment?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 01:38 PM yenta Says:
“ Why don't you read before you comment. Rav Ovadia did not refer to President Obama as a slave. He said that we Jews are not slaves of the US ”
why don't YOU read before you comment? ROY said "we are being ruled by slaves" eved ki yimloch
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Jul 26, 2009 at 01:55 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The examples are in this article among many others;"We are being ruled by slaves," he is refering to Obama as a slave "the six million Jewish victims of the Nazi Holocaust did "not die for nothing," but were the "reincarnation of Jews who had sinned" in previous generations" I don't see anything worse than a Jew whose family and community have not perished in the Holocaust justify the Holocaust. Why don't you read before you comment? ”
yeah he was justifying hitler because the jews were reincarnates of people who sinned and therfore it was ok for hitler to kill them. you really think thats what he meant?! grow a brain
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Jul 26, 2009 at 01:50 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The examples are in this article among many others;"We are being ruled by slaves," he is refering to Obama as a slave "the six million Jewish victims of the Nazi Holocaust did "not die for nothing," but were the "reincarnation of Jews who had sinned" in previous generations" I don't see anything worse than a Jew whose family and community have not perished in the Holocaust justify the Holocaust. Why don't you read before you comment? ”
i dont see anything wrong with either of those comments. i highly doubt he reffered to obama as a slave because hes black. and there is nothing wrong with the gadol hador saying that the 6 milion were reincarnates of people who sinned. and i have family that died in the holocaust.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 02:05 PM josh grobman Says:
Harav's Ovadia Yeboda lechaim tovim main objective here is to avert attention from the the terrible ayin raah on the holy sefardic community may we only hear besuros tovos from now until the ultimate besura tova the geula sheleima bimehera !
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Jul 26, 2009 at 02:33 PM Anonymous Says:
“ i dont see anything wrong with either of those comments. i highly doubt he reffered to obama as a slave because hes black. and there is nothing wrong with the gadol hador saying that the 6 milion were reincarnates of people who sinned. and i have family that died in the holocaust. ”
I'm glad that you don't have trouble with his maligning the 6 million and purporting to know what the true reason for the holocaust was, but surely you can understand why so many other people find those remarks troubling on so many levels. I'm not a lubavitcher, but I understand that the last lubavitcher rebbe said we don't know and can't know what the reason for the holocaust was. I think that is the only sane thing that can be said.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 02:46 PM Natan Says:
“ with all due respect, r"ovadia should not refer to the president of the us as a "slave" the implications of which are so obvious, and the repercussions ha'Shem yishmereinu ”
the rabbi is always out spoken he says what ever is on his mind, never holds back anything, he is a real Godol Hdor
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:52 AM jerry Says:
“ U.S. aid to Israel is only 3.2 billion and guess what wise guy, Israel spends 2.6 billion of that "aid" to buy the latest jet fighters and weaponry from the U.S. Therefore, that money you call "aid" virtually stays here in America, stimulating American jobs, taxes and growth. Growth? Yes, Unlike other countries receiving "aid," Israel spends more of it on U.S. products than any other nation.
Additionally, the U.S. is super glad to buy the latest in high technology from Israeli software and chip companies, which are the cutting edge of technology on Earth, and the U.S. also gets the extreme latest in camera surveillance chips and drones on the planet.
Mr. Obama is endangering a lot more than he thinks by telling Israel what to do. Somehow, Mr. Obama doesn't have the guts to tell Iran to shut up and cancel their nuclear prograsm immediately. He wants them to have more time to contemplate.
Meanwhile, Iran has already threatened a FEW different nations with destruction besides his famous rants against Jews, woops, I mean Israel.
Israel has had nuclear bopmbs since 1952 and they have more than 325 nuclear bombs right now, and yet you NEVER heard Israel threaten anyone with their bombs.
"Aid?" You say, "aid?"
It's the other way around...that's why they call Israel a friend. It's not the big love for democracy as they so often repeat, man, it's the money, the weaponry and the knowledge. Israel is the fourth most powerful nuclear nation on Earth.
Yet, Mr. Obama only knows how to give Israel orders.
1. Don't build the settlements
2. Take down the wall.
3. Don't retaliate against Iran.
4. Make "peace" with the Syrians and Lebanon and the "Palestinians."
What utter chutzpah!!
He thinks because he hired a Jew to be his "Chief of Staff" that everyone will be fooled into thinking that Rahm Emanuel does something? The man is a puppet hired to placate the Jews while he keeps his mouth shut.
Mr. Obama, "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones." ”
i agree with #17 all the way.
since even before 9-11 the USA spent over $5 trillion to fix and rebuild what the arabs destroyed. and obama is trying any way shape or form to please, and
appease them.
on the other hand Israel is costing the usa bobkes in comparison. without Israel's participation in the defense of the USA, like testing weapons and making them famous, the usa, in turn is making 100's of billions from weapon sales , to other countries, and what about all the American lives saved in past & future USA wars.
it's because of Israel that the us does not have to keep a much bigger presence in the middle east, and you know how much it cost.
the people of USA are great friends of the Israelis, yes the president puts the tone in place, however Israel will last forever. and obama will not.
he will join a history of a long list of our enemies
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Jul 26, 2009 at 03:22 PM I love this Guy Says:
This rabbi is great!! Wonderful diversion from all the tzorus and a great laugh during these difficult days...
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Jul 26, 2009 at 03:48 PM LivingInIsrael Says:
“ U.S. aid to Israel is only 3.2 billion and guess what wise guy, Israel spends 2.6 billion of that "aid" to buy the latest jet fighters and weaponry from the U.S. Therefore, that money you call "aid" virtually stays here in America, stimulating American jobs, taxes and growth. Growth? Yes, Unlike other countries receiving "aid," Israel spends more of it on U.S. products than any other nation.
Additionally, the U.S. is super glad to buy the latest in high technology from Israeli software and chip companies, which are the cutting edge of technology on Earth, and the U.S. also gets the extreme latest in camera surveillance chips and drones on the planet.
Mr. Obama is endangering a lot more than he thinks by telling Israel what to do. Somehow, Mr. Obama doesn't have the guts to tell Iran to shut up and cancel their nuclear prograsm immediately. He wants them to have more time to contemplate.
Meanwhile, Iran has already threatened a FEW different nations with destruction besides his famous rants against Jews, woops, I mean Israel.
Israel has had nuclear bopmbs since 1952 and they have more than 325 nuclear bombs right now, and yet you NEVER heard Israel threaten anyone with their bombs.
"Aid?" You say, "aid?"
It's the other way around...that's why they call Israel a friend. It's not the big love for democracy as they so often repeat, man, it's the money, the weaponry and the knowledge. Israel is the fourth most powerful nuclear nation on Earth.
Yet, Mr. Obama only knows how to give Israel orders.
1. Don't build the settlements
2. Take down the wall.
3. Don't retaliate against Iran.
4. Make "peace" with the Syrians and Lebanon and the "Palestinians."
What utter chutzpah!!
He thinks because he hired a Jew to be his "Chief of Staff" that everyone will be fooled into thinking that Rahm Emanuel does something? The man is a puppet hired to placate the Jews while he keeps his mouth shut.
Mr. Obama, "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones." ”
Now abba is a man who knows what he is talking about!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 03:43 PM Satmer 101 Says:
“ Did Rabbi Ovadyeh forget that we are in Golus ? What's with him ? ”
No... You forgot!......Does Golus mean that Yerushalyim should be "yudinrein?....Nowhere in the entire torah does it say that a jew cannot build a house in Yerushalyim......
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Jul 26, 2009 at 03:29 PM anonymous Says:
“ I'm glad that you don't have trouble with his maligning the 6 million and purporting to know what the true reason for the holocaust was, but surely you can understand why so many other people find those remarks troubling on so many levels. I'm not a lubavitcher, but I understand that the last lubavitcher rebbe said we don't know and can't know what the reason for the holocaust was. I think that is the only sane thing that can be said. ”
I am survivor who davens has children and grandchildren who daven and I don't understand it either and the same was said zichrono livrocho by the Belzer Rebbe. You said it very well and I agree with you. I davened in concentration camp too under danger of life. His comment was a poor choice of words the same as his derogatory remark about Arabs
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Jul 26, 2009 at 04:03 PM LivingInIsrael Says:
“ The US government is funneling billions of dollars to Israel every year (no matter how Israel spends it, it's still free lunch..), so they have the right to tell Israel what to do and what not to do!
The Israelis have the right of argument, but to refer to this like Rav Ovadia did is outrageous and disgusting, and a big chilul hashem. ”
Maybe you didn't pay attention...Refer back to post #17 to have a clearer understanding. The U.S. is having a free lunch on us!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 03:58 PM ignorant posters Says:
“ by that standard, we should be greek. david hamelech was a nomadic simpleton compared to city state cultures of the aegean bronze age. ”
to nos 13 & 14...#6 was rephrasing the classical comment by Benjamin Disraeli (if you dont know who that is, look it up) who said in response to an anti-semitic speech in Parliament "Yes, I am a Jew, and when the ancestors of the right honourable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon."
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Jul 26, 2009 at 04:03 PM LivingInIsrael Says:
“ The US government is funneling billions of dollars to Israel every year (no matter how Israel spends it, it's still free lunch..), so they have the right to tell Israel what to do and what not to do!
The Israelis have the right of argument, but to refer to this like Rav Ovadia did is outrageous and disgusting, and a big chilul hashem. ”
Maybe you didn't pay attention...Refer back to post #17 to have a clearer understanding. The U.S. is having a free lunch on us!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 03:58 PM ignorant posters Says:
“ by that standard, we should be greek. david hamelech was a nomadic simpleton compared to city state cultures of the aegean bronze age. ”
to nos 13 & 14...#6 was rephrasing the classical comment by Benjamin Disraeli (if you dont know who that is, look it up) who said in response to an anti-semitic speech in Parliament "Yes, I am a Jew, and when the ancestors of the right honourable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon."
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Jul 26, 2009 at 04:46 PM Anonymous Says:
“ yeah he was justifying hitler because the jews were reincarnates of people who sinned and therfore it was ok for hitler to kill them. you really think thats what he meant?! grow a brain ”
Then what did he mean? Did he ever issue a clarification?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 04:30 PM Ruled by Slaves Comment Unclear Says:
The article simply quotes him saying we are being ruled by slaves. He could be talking about the Israeli government being slaves, right? This is totally in keeping with the long standing Jewish tradition of examining that part of us that still maintains the "Avadim" mentality. Plus, it would make no sense to accuse the US of keeping us like slaves, and then turn around and call the US slaves.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 04:06 PM LivingInIsrael Says:
“ Obama is not an Arab, so he is not Yishmoel. Even his ancestors, who were Muslims, were not Arabs, but Muslim. And, yes, for those are ignorant, there is a difference between Arabs and Muslims. Arabs are a nation, Islam is a religion. There are many non-Arabs who are Muslims. ”
“ Obama is not an Arab, so he is not Yishmoel. Even his ancestors, who were Muslims, were not Arabs, but Muslim. And, yes, for those are ignorant, there is a difference between Arabs and Muslims. Arabs are a nation, Islam is a religion. There are many non-Arabs who are Muslims. ”
How can you be so sure? Let us know how you were able to trace his roots so far back and be sure he isn't a decendent of Yishmael. Hey if you have the resources, I'd like to know what tribe I belong to!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 04:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ That's fine, but is he also willing to turn down all U.S. aid to Israel? ”
Do you honestly think that if the USA stopped giving Israel it's token "aid" package that Israel would cease to exist? Most of the "aid" that the USA gives to it's "allies", is just to ensure that they remain just that, "allies". This money does not have much of an impact at all on the Israeli economy and as another poster iterated Israel puts most of it right back into the USA.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 05:20 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I'm glad that you don't have trouble with his maligning the 6 million and purporting to know what the true reason for the holocaust was, but surely you can understand why so many other people find those remarks troubling on so many levels. I'm not a lubavitcher, but I understand that the last lubavitcher rebbe said we don't know and can't know what the reason for the holocaust was. I think that is the only sane thing that can be said. ”
i dont see how its maligning. actually it seems the opposite is true it was not something they did in this lifetime rather in a previous gilgul. its that way for all of us we are here to be mesaken previous issues. i also dont know the context he said it in but i doubt he was saying that this is THE reason.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 05:18 PM NB Says:
“ to nos 13 & 14...#6 was rephrasing the classical comment by Benjamin Disraeli (if you dont know who that is, look it up) who said in response to an anti-semitic speech in Parliament "Yes, I am a Jew, and when the ancestors of the right honourable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon." ”
“ to nos 13 & 14...#6 was rephrasing the classical comment by Benjamin Disraeli (if you dont know who that is, look it up) who said in response to an anti-semitic speech in Parliament "Yes, I am a Jew, and when the ancestors of the right honourable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon." ”
Its actually attributed to Judah P Benjamin on the Senate floor...
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Jul 26, 2009 at 05:42 PM Anonymous Says:
“ i dont see how its maligning. actually it seems the opposite is true it was not something they did in this lifetime rather in a previous gilgul. its that way for all of us we are here to be mesaken previous issues. i also dont know the context he said it in but i doubt he was saying that this is THE reason. ”
His comments could be interpreted as saying these people had the soul of a sinner and that the sin was so bad that it justifies torturing and killing people for something they did in a past life, even though in this life, they have no knowledge or memory of that past life or the supposed sin they committed in a previous carnation. Also, G-d forbid, the comments could be interpreted to make it sound like there was some justification for hitler and the nazis. I think that is more dangerous than holocaust denial.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 05:30 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I'm glad that you don't have trouble with his maligning the 6 million and purporting to know what the true reason for the holocaust was, but surely you can understand why so many other people find those remarks troubling on so many levels. I'm not a lubavitcher, but I understand that the last lubavitcher rebbe said we don't know and can't know what the reason for the holocaust was. I think that is the only sane thing that can be said. ”
also Rebe would not ever ask Hashem to strike down another jew.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:11 PM Satmer 101 Says:
“ I'm glad that you don't have trouble with his maligning the 6 million and purporting to know what the true reason for the holocaust was, but surely you can understand why so many other people find those remarks troubling on so many levels. I'm not a lubavitcher, but I understand that the last lubavitcher rebbe said we don't know and can't know what the reason for the holocaust was. I think that is the only sane thing that can be said. ”
Rav Avigdar Miller Z"L also said that the 6 million were killed for their sins. My father Z"L, whose wife and two children were murdered by the Nazis , would not let me have any of his tapes in the house.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 01:34 AM Anonymous Says:
When the Neturei Karta attended the Iranian holocaust denial conference and blamed the holocaust on the Zionist we were all morally outraged. We told the world that they do not represent us. However; when Rabbi Ovadia Yosef says that the Jewish victims of the Holocaust didn't die for nothing, but were the reincarnation of sinners he is still considered a Godol Hdor, although; his statements deny the true tragedy and crime of the holocaust.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 07:54 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Rav Ovadia has prov-en himself to be time and time again a bigot not only towards blacks and Arabs but towards Ashkenazim too. All of you who support his manor of speech are probably bigots too. ”
RAv Ovadia was born in Iraq in 1920. Maybe he has some experience with Arabs. As for Ashkenazim, read your history of what your people did to my people when they fled arab lands for Israel. The wounds from those pogroms heal just as slowly as yours from the Shoa, maybe slower since this was Jew doing it to Jew.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 08:02 AM Anonymous Says:
“ According to the article, he says "Our messiah will come and throw them out."
I am puzzled by the reference to "Our." Isn't Moshiach for everyone, not just "ours"?
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"Our" meaning he comes from the Jewish people. Only those who recognize and obey him at his coming get to share him.
Also Hussein has been set up as a messiah to many. The terminology is being used.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 07:50 AM formally Says:
“ i dont see anything wrong with either of those comments. i highly doubt he reffered to obama as a slave because hes black. and there is nothing wrong with the gadol hador saying that the 6 milion were reincarnates of people who sinned. and i have family that died in the holocaust. ”
I am surprised, doesn't Rabbi Ovadia know problems the jews have now all over and Israel, and even when there is a rocket attack is because we are reincarnated sinners. Why complain or react to the arabs they are doing G-ds work. And the sinner soul can now go to heaven. He should be happy when a yid suffers, or suffered since now they can go to heaven.
So the holocaust was a good thing according to Rabbi Ovadia?
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Jul 27, 2009 at 07:49 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Obama is not an Arab, so he is not Yishmoel. Even his ancestors, who were Muslims, were not Arabs, but Muslim. And, yes, for those are ignorant, there is a difference between Arabs and Muslims. Arabs are a nation, Islam is a religion. There are many non-Arabs who are Muslims. ”
“ Obama is not an Arab, so he is not Yishmoel. Even his ancestors, who were Muslims, were not Arabs, but Muslim. And, yes, for those are ignorant, there is a difference between Arabs and Muslims. Arabs are a nation, Islam is a religion. There are many non-Arabs who are Muslims. ”
actually he has quite a bit of arab blood on his father's side.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 08:30 AM Matt Says:
The debtor is a slave to the lender
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Jul 27, 2009 at 08:20 AM David Says:
Ovadia looks and dresses like an imam. Sometimes, he even sounds like one.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 08:38 AM anonymous Says:
“ RAv Ovadia was born in Iraq in 1920. Maybe he has some experience with Arabs. As for Ashkenazim, read your history of what your people did to my people when they fled arab lands for Israel. The wounds from those pogroms heal just as slowly as yours from the Shoa, maybe slower since this was Jew doing it to Jew. ”
Ashkenazim did not shove Jews in gas chambers and just check the prison population in Israel according to sefardim and ashkenazim and you will have your answer
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Jul 27, 2009 at 09:03 AM anonymous Says:
“ The debtor is a slave to the lender ”
very well said and your syntax is perfect
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Jul 27, 2009 at 11:19 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Ashkenazim did not shove Jews in gas chambers and just check the prison population in Israel according to sefardim and ashkenazim and you will have your answer ”
No they stole our children, told us they were dead, murdered our souls by forcing us to secular godless kibbutzim, and denied them equal schooling. They also did medical experimentation learned from their German masters on the adults and their glorious Prime MInister, Golda Y"S told us we weren't "true Jews" because we didn't speak Yiddish. It's all there in the history books.
How dare you imply we are the majority of criminals. We don't burn down our neighborhoods and vandalize our cities. If Ashkenazim aren't being charged with crimes it's because they have protexia. I was speaking about ALL Ashkenazim not just the religious. MOST of the chiloni zionists are from Eastern European backgrounds. Ben-Gurion, Meir, Begin, Peres, Rabin, Sharon, OLmert, Barak. Y"S to all of them.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM anonymous Says:
You are a liar and ignoramus. Sefardim were infected with a virulent eye disease trachoma and received excellent care at Hadassa. If you don't believe just check the statistics of Israeli criminals by ethnicity and how about government official, shomer shabbes accused of rape
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Jul 27, 2009 at 04:18 PM holocaustwasenuf Says:
“ Why is everyone so blind. We can't live in la la land forever. If we really want Moshiach we have to know that before He comes, terrible things will happen to the world. (Unless we truly deserve him to come, we're going to suffer) ”
I think the holocaust was enough suffering to bring mashiach no? Let's not wish more suffering on ourselves and instead learn to love. Other yidden no matter where they come from or what they believe.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 03:49 PM NW YID Says:
“ That's fine, but is he also willing to turn down all U.S. aid to Israel? ”
The Sooner Kelal Yisrael turns to Hashem for their Parnassah and Protection, and away from Edom, the more likely we will see the Geulah and Mashiach Ben david. When the Jewish nation turns to Man, ie: the United States, for its Parnassah, G-d's heavenly blessings are cut off.... Make no mistake about it, fellow Yehudim, the source of all Parnassah and blessing is El Kadosh Baruch Hu. We have a choice, to turn to the source, or reject His blessing and place our faith in man...