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"There is a feeling here that the FBI purposely attempted to arrest as many rabbis as possible at once in an attempt to humiliate them," Kakun said in a telephone interview Sunday.
"Regardless of the details of the case - I am not familiar with the precise charges and the evidence - you would never see the FBI and police behaving that way with Muslim sheikhs or Christian priests. It is so obvious that the whole thing is motivated by anti-Semitism," he said.
Kakun added that he planned on devoting the editorial of his paper to an attack on the Obama administration for attempting to whip up anti-Semitic feelings against the Orthodox Jewish community in the US.
Meanwhile, Shas MK Nissim Ze'ev said US police authorities had deliberately created the false impression that members of the Aleppo community were somehow connected with organ trafficking and extortion, when in reality their only crime was money-laundering.
"There is absolutely no connection between the rabbis from the Aleppo community and those others," said Ze'ev, who was once a rabbi for the Aleppo community in Brooklyn and continues to pray with the community on Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur.
"The US police are trying to make it seem as though there is some kind of Jewish mafia," he said.
Ze'ev was referring to impression some media outlets had given by calling the group of rabbis involved the "Kosher Nostra," a play on the words "Cosa Nostra."
He also rejected any special connections between Shas and the Aleppo Jewish community in the US
Moshe Grylak, editor-in-chief of the haredi weekly Mishpacha, said the recent spate of bad publicity had put the haredi community in Israel on the defensive.
"The secular population is convinced we are a bunch of Talibans who starve their children and money-launder," said Grylak, who argued that the local media had broken the rules of journalistic ethics by labeling the perpetrators as haredi.
"And on top of it all, we are also a bunch of parasites who don't work," he said. "It's been a tough time for us. And Tisha Be'av is just around the corner."
Grylak added that the FBI had purposely created a media fanfare around the US incident in an attempt to cover up the bureau's failures in uncovering the Madoff scam.
"It was obvious they were trying to prove something, trying to show they were capable," he said.
Both Grylak and Ze'ev were concerned about possible anti-Semitic repercussions from the incident.
"After Madoff, now there is this. I'm frankly concerned about the rise of anti-Semitism in the US," said Grylak.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:13 PM Again? Says:
Once again, jews are wrongly using the anti - semitism card. It is a simple formula.. Steal, Lie, Cheat, Swindle, Abuse..and don't get caught. If you do, simply say it is anti - semitism.
How long will jews continue this stupidity? Even this idiot admits.. "Regardless of the details of the case - I am not familiar with the precise charges and the evidence"... He has a big mouth and does not know the details of the case.. yet he is quick to say it is anti - semitism. Just like the foolish 33 concert ban rabbis who did know the details of the case, yet brought down innocent people. May g-d strongly punish this idiot jews!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:12 PM Anonymous Says:
I agree the FBI made it seem like everyone was connected to each other and it was one big Mafia, when in reality it was a whole bunch of individuals that had nothing to do with each other other then Dweck setting them up.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:12 PM mosheich now Says:
it wasn't the FBI it was Dweck who's Dreck. he'll burn in hell forever!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:10 PM Dovid Says:
It's not like these guys were framed. They were doing illegal criminal acts. Do the crime, do the time. We should not use the anti-semite card when it is not kdai to do so. Like that Gates guy in Cambridge playing the race card last week only to get made a fool of.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:09 PM Anonymous Says:
finaly someone brings this up
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:14 PM YAAKOV Says:
Maybe there is anti-Semitism behind the arrests, but if these Yiddin, including the informer, had not violated the laws there would have been no arrests, no headlines and no chillul Hashem.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:14 PM Anonymous Says:
Here we go again...."the terrible antisimitim at the FBI made these poor rabonim commit these crimes..." By making these kind of allegations, the hareidim only further marginalize themselves and leave us questioning whether they are really this foolish or totally out of touch with reality. Its not rocket science: These rabbonim were greedy and there is strong evidence they committed felonies under U.S. law. If they hadn't been caught, they would still be considered great tzadikim and bal'ei tzadakah. Now they are humiliated and likley to go to jail with Dweck, Madoff, and the rest of these ehreleche yiddin. Its an old game, when you get cought stealing, yell Gevalt! ...the antisimitim are after me!!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:22 PM Anonymous Says:
He is absolutely right the FBI arrested 3 different types. Body parts, money laundering, and bribe accepting. Then they publicly announced that all were part of a international ring. When actually the only thing that connects them is luring deceptive criminal rat.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:19 PM Anonymous Says:
Oh please, let's stop blaming others and take responsibility for ourselves. It was wrong what they did, period. If they were arrested without cause, we could cry anti-semitism, but they had good cause, and these brother of ours deserved to be punished. If we cry anti-semitism any time jews are prosecuted even if theer is good cause, we are no better than al sharpton and jesse jackson.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:19 PM Anonymous Says:
Give me a break. These people sound just like Professor Gates from Harvard and his ilk (Sharpton, Jackson and all the other clowns) who claim racism at the drop of a hat. Why can't we just accept the fact that these people were criminals who deserve to be locked up? It has nothing to do with anti-semitism.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:17 PM Benny Says:
Once again we see the cry of "anti-semitism" over-used inappropriately, which hurts when there really is prejudice. This was not anti semitism. The informant Dwek had all his contacts in the frum community, and when approached they went along. They didn't have to; there were some politicians who rejected his bribe money. The politicians arrested were mostly Italian-was that anti-Italian bias? If these so called frum yidden rejected Dwek's overtures they wouldn't have been arrested, would they? The cops simply followed the road to where it led-and it led to yidden. When the priests had their church scandals that made front page also. When Moslem sheiks are arrested for terrorist crimes, that is in the headlines. Stop this anti-semite nonsense every time a Jew gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:53 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Once again, jews are wrongly using the anti - semitism card. It is a simple formula.. Steal, Lie, Cheat, Swindle, Abuse..and don't get caught. If you do, simply say it is anti - semitism.
How long will jews continue this stupidity? Even this idiot admits.. "Regardless of the details of the case - I am not familiar with the precise charges and the evidence"... He has a big mouth and does not know the details of the case.. yet he is quick to say it is anti - semitism. Just like the foolish 33 concert ban rabbis who did know the details of the case, yet brought down innocent people. May g-d strongly punish this idiot jews! ”
I wonder if you are jewish or not, but one thing for sure, you are a huge idiot!!! Think about it, when a christen or a mouslim steals, what would the head line say? "A Christen stole"???? "A Mouslim stole"??? Or it will just say the fbi cought john or muhamed etc. So why when a jew steals, the media referls to him as "jew" instead of just talking about the name of the person etc. THATS WHY ITS PURE ANTICIMETISIM
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:29 PM Logic613 Says:
“ I wonder if you are jewish or not, but one thing for sure, you are a huge idiot!!! Think about it, when a christen or a mouslim steals, what would the head line say? "A Christen stole"???? "A Mouslim stole"??? Or it will just say the fbi cought john or muhamed etc. So why when a jew steals, the media referls to him as "jew" instead of just talking about the name of the person etc. THATS WHY ITS PURE ANTICIMETISIM ”
It's newsworthy because we. JEWS, hold ourselves out as the "chosen nation". If we feel that we hold to a higher standard, then we can either show it, or be like the rest.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:28 PM Anonymous Says:
thank you israelis we americans dont need you to add salt to the wound. noone asked you for your opinion and it is cetainly not conducive to letting this issue pass by. dont ass fuel to the fire. we made the fire and we will put it out we dont need you to start a global hafganah against america and our president.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:28 PM Motti Says:
“ I wonder if you are jewish or not, but one thing for sure, you are a huge idiot!!! Think about it, when a christen or a mouslim steals, what would the head line say? "A Christen stole"???? "A Mouslim stole"??? Or it will just say the fbi cought john or muhamed etc. So why when a jew steals, the media referls to him as "jew" instead of just talking about the name of the person etc. THATS WHY ITS PURE ANTICIMETISIM ”
It's just amazing how ignorant some people can be!
If you would be a real Yid, with a bit of seichel, you would know that we should be a good example to the world and not one of swindle and cheating!
Stop trying to find an excuse and call people anti-semitic!
There are BAD jews and RABBIS, just accept it and get on with your life!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:26 PM monseyer Says:
I'm a steady reader of Mishpacah and know Rabbi Gyralik writings, he is no dumb bell to justify or cry foul on every felony that is committed by Chareidim, and if he smells anti-semitisim here (as so many other inteluctuels) he knows what he is talking!
And let me explain: the FBI knows full well what the media does when even a single orthodox jew let alone a rabbi comittis a crime, the love to blow it out of propotion, for instance the cover picture on NYT and Journal News showd only the "Jews" not the Mayors, by that they should have reffrained from trapping them to begin with or at least bust them seperatly for they had no connection one to each other, but by lining up 18 Jews togther they made tremendous headlines and they knowingly humilated the entire jewish community for which they have no right too!
I would love to see our own Shaproton standing up to the goverment and the media requesting answers, who wants to volunteer???
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:25 PM NB Says:
“ I wonder if you are jewish or not, but one thing for sure, you are a huge idiot!!! Think about it, when a christen or a mouslim steals, what would the head line say? "A Christen stole"???? "A Mouslim stole"??? Or it will just say the fbi cought john or muhamed etc. So why when a jew steals, the media referls to him as "jew" instead of just talking about the name of the person etc. THATS WHY ITS PURE ANTICIMETISIM ”
No. Youre the idiot!
The papers did not write 5 Jews were arrested..they wrote 5 Rabbis were arrested!! The same way they announced Jim and Tammy Fay Bakers arrests as Evangelical priests!
No one announced Maddoffs arrest as Jew arrested!
Will you guys stop seeeing things...where they're not!!
Youre so steeped in this mentality of us vs them..that you cannot see straight.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:21 PM Motti Says:
I call myself a Chareidi and am deeply ashamed of the Chillul Hashem that is being and is being caused by others who call themselves Chareidim!
It seems that the so called "Chareidi World" is getting delusional!
People OPEN YOUR EYES!!! We have problems! Criminals are hidig behind their titles of Rabbi and Rebbe. There ARE PROBLEMS of the abuse of women, children and drugs! We have criminal youth and drug addicts!
The Erev Rav wants us to ignore all these things and believe that we live in a perfect world. This is not the case and it is time to wake up and act.
Rabbonim and Rebbes should stop being scared of those with big wallets in their kehillos ad speak up against those problems!
We are our worse enemy!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:19 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I wonder if you are jewish or not, but one thing for sure, you are a huge idiot!!! Think about it, when a christen or a mouslim steals, what would the head line say? "A Christen stole"???? "A Mouslim stole"??? Or it will just say the fbi cought john or muhamed etc. So why when a jew steals, the media referls to him as "jew" instead of just talking about the name of the person etc. THATS WHY ITS PURE ANTICIMETISIM ”
You are the idiot. When a priest is arrested for child molestation, do they just ue his name or do they identify that he was a priest. Of course they say he was a priest, because he held a position of trust and respect and his actions wee contrary to his position. In this story they idetified some of the arrested individuals as Rabbis because these are individuals who allegedly acted contrary to their position. There is nothing wrong with this. When Madoff was arrested, none of the headlines read "Madoff the Jew was arrested" because he did not make himself out to be some kind of holy person.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:32 PM Anonymous Says:
#12 Thank you, for your wise words. What you point out is a FACT nobody could argue with.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:30 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Once again, jews are wrongly using the anti - semitism card. It is a simple formula.. Steal, Lie, Cheat, Swindle, Abuse..and don't get caught. If you do, simply say it is anti - semitism.
How long will jews continue this stupidity? Even this idiot admits.. "Regardless of the details of the case - I am not familiar with the precise charges and the evidence"... He has a big mouth and does not know the details of the case.. yet he is quick to say it is anti - semitism. Just like the foolish 33 concert ban rabbis who did know the details of the case, yet brought down innocent people. May g-d strongly punish this idiot jews! ”
May g-d strongly punish this idiot jews!”
Such a statement is strongly against the Torah - see the Shulchan Aruch.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:10 PM power up Says:
Who asked you your opinon?? The FBI did what they do best, humiliate and terorrize anyone who is remotely connected via community or family to the arrested people, that's the way they operate, but to say anti-semitism?? This claim itself provokes enough hatred already, why are we abusing it, and the obama admin whiping up anti semitism???!!! I also don't love abama and co. But this claim is outrageous, stick to your own issues, there is enought right there
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:05 PM NB Says:
"Grylak added that the FBI had purposely created a media fanfare around the US incident in an attempt to cover up the bureau's failures in uncovering the Madoff scam."
Huh? It was not the FBIs job to uncover Madoffs dealings...
Grylak...worry about your own problems please...
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:04 PM Anonymous Says:
Why can't chareidim ever take the blame like men when they do something wrong? No, it's always a conspiracy, always the press, always the zionists.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:03 PM NB Says:
Does anyone care what these "editors" have to say??
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:57 PM Anonymous Says:
There are so many errors in Kakun's statements that I can't comment on all of them, but to blame Obama is ludicrous. These guys were under investigation for years, well before Obama was elected. Even if the investigation just started, our President is busy spending his time on the economy, healthcare, etc. No president gets involved in FBI investigations of this nature, let alone instigates them.
It's one thing to diagree with Obama's foreign policy, but making these types of accusations of anti-semitism against him are reckless at best and detrimental to Israel's interests.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:57 PM community should Says:
the community should cleverly counter SUE the Feds for this race based arrests,
point being how about going in to BED-STUYVESANT pick one out of ten African Americans offer them $25.000 cash for marijuana give him a couple of days & the guy will show up with goods, then arrest the "Drug Dealer" (even though this guy would not get involved if not that whoever set him up)
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:55 PM Absolutely correct Says:
You guys don't get it, of course if they did the crime they were rightly arrested, but the FBI tried to turn this into a racketeering (rico) case by arresting them all together and announcing how they brought down a "group of money launderers", it is definitely not rico since the accused did not work together, they are seperate cases. The penalties in a rico case are alot more severe than a single individual who's did money laundering.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ it wasn't the FBI it was Dweck who's Dreck. he'll burn in hell forever! ”
and all the stupid jews who make us all look bad i am ashaemed of myself when i walk the streets.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:48 PM Anonymous Says:
“ it wasn't the FBI it was Dweck who's Dreck. he'll burn in hell forever! ”
but the fbi made it all happen at one time to make the jews look bad.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:47 PM Anonymous Says:
You are 100% wrong it is not anti semitisim it's a Chilul Hashem.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:44 PM Ben aharon Says:
Meharsa'yich u'macharivayich mimech yetze'oo - take it any way you like.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:44 PM Anonymous Says:
“ He is absolutely right the FBI arrested 3 different types. Body parts, money laundering, and bribe accepting. Then they publicly announced that all were part of a international ring. When actually the only thing that connects them is luring deceptive criminal rat. ”
Stop sounding like a bunch of self hating Jews. Big crimes,let me ask u this, when the Jews were in a comunist country, did we follow all the laws? No. Why? Cuz we couldn't exist. What big crimes did these Rabbis do? They didn't pay some tax? Or they helped some honest business ppl cut some taxes so maybe they can benefit some yashivah a little more?? Even if they did it for personal gain, wow, big crime. So yes, they r still tzadikim and they did good. Just cuz some Dwek made a big chilul hashem, doesn't mean they did. Let me ask something else. That office on 13 Ave, who would let u drop off money by them and u can pick it up in israel, wow, another huge crime. The meshulach that comes here to collect for their childs wedding, what's he suppose to do? Pay taxes on that money? Any idea how much the government would rob them for that? So these indaviduals who helped them out, for a percent, criminals, hu? Jail, hu? U guys r nuts. U are the anti semites. And I have some more news for you. Rabbi rosenbaum, baught a kidny for 10k sold for 160k, u really think 150k went into his pocket? First of all, there were other brokers involved and more important, I know of 2 cases, where for that money, he flew the patiant in for israel for the surgery, he also paid for the HOSPITAL stay for 2 weeks. Any idea howmany jews would have been dead if he wouldn't of been doing this?... Ok, my throught is hurting from screaming so much. There were no crimes done. Yes, our country does have some comunisim to it. Should they all get out of this mess very soon.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:42 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I wonder if you are jewish or not, but one thing for sure, you are a huge idiot!!! Think about it, when a christen or a mouslim steals, what would the head line say? "A Christen stole"???? "A Mouslim stole"??? Or it will just say the fbi cought john or muhamed etc. So why when a jew steals, the media referls to him as "jew" instead of just talking about the name of the person etc. THATS WHY ITS PURE ANTICIMETISIM ”
No, the media do not note that someone is jewish if they are just an average jew. It's the fact that Rabbi's were involved that was the big deal. If a Roman Catholic Priest or a Nun or a Muslim Iman were arrested, the media would definitely point out that it was a nun or priest or iman. If fact, the media had a field day with the catholic church priest sex abuse scandal and they have had been quick to point out whenever an evangelical minister gets caught in a sex scandal or a financial scandal. Most Americans don't wear clothing that announces their religion (yes many wear crosses, but everyone knows that doesn't mean the person is religious). When someone wears a beard and kippah, they are announcing their Judaism and proclaiming that they are observant. We can't then expect people to completely ignore that if G-d forbid they get arrested.
Americans want to respect clergy. Americans tend to elevate clergy and have high expectations of them even if they are of a different religion or sect. We should have high expectations of people who purport to be trying to live according to G-d's will. So, when they stumble, it is very big news. Americans also hate hypocracy, so when they see someone who claims to be religious engage in bad behaviour its going to get more attention then when the average Joe engages in that behavior. In addition, the alleged money laundering allegedly used jewish charities.
While some of the press may have gone overbroad, we are making matters worse by crying anti-semitism. Every Jewish newspaper and pulpit Rabbi should be saying loud and clear that while the defendants are presumed innocent and we will wait until all the facts come out in court, we know that these Rabbis devoted their lives to helping others and regardless of whether the charges are true or not, Judaism strongly condemns this type of conduct and teaches that Jews must be abslutely ethical and scrupulous in their business and financial matters.
Making excuses, blaming informants, crying anti-semitism and entrapment just make matters worse and keeps the negative press going.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:42 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I wonder if you are jewish or not, but one thing for sure, you are a huge idiot!!! Think about it, when a christen or a mouslim steals, what would the head line say? "A Christen stole"???? "A Mouslim stole"??? Or it will just say the fbi cought john or muhamed etc. So why when a jew steals, the media referls to him as "jew" instead of just talking about the name of the person etc. THATS WHY ITS PURE ANTICIMETISIM ”
If 5 priests or 5 imans were indicted on money laundering, you bet your life the media would report the religion and title of the accused. Every time some two bit islamic yokel is arrested for plotting to blow up the local landfill, Fox News runs "Breaking News" streamers and covers it 24x7. These arrests are no less or more media frenzy than any other story of this type. The unfortunate part is that "Dweck and Drek" and some are calling this fiasco (the first for the moser, the second for the five rabbonim who participated with him) it perpetuates the media blood libel that jews like madoff and dweck are part of some vast international zionist/wall stree jewish conspiracy
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Jul 26, 2009 at 07:38 PM theFixer Says:
Why do we jews find it necessary to blame others for our problems ?? ANTI-SEMITISM???? C'mon Shas .... use your brain. The headlines, pictures and news articles may have been anti-semetic, but not the arrests.
You know what was really anti-semitic - or more precisley anti-JEWISH ? The actions of the thieves and thugs who DO actually steal, lie and cheat as a way of life. It of course remains to be seen if the yidden arrested last week are all guilty.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:49 PM Anonymous Says:
Its pretty clear that just about everyone reading this article has the same reaction. The Chareidim just cannot seem to understand that the laws apply to them whether in the U.S. or EY. Its sad but it seems like more of these yiddin will be rotting in jail before they drop their arrogant disregard to the laws of the medinah they live in and show some respect for the rules the rest of us live by without any difficulty.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:43 PM Think Tank Says:
“ Once again we see the cry of "anti-semitism" over-used inappropriately, which hurts when there really is prejudice. This was not anti semitism. The informant Dwek had all his contacts in the frum community, and when approached they went along. They didn't have to; there were some politicians who rejected his bribe money. The politicians arrested were mostly Italian-was that anti-Italian bias? If these so called frum yidden rejected Dwek's overtures they wouldn't have been arrested, would they? The cops simply followed the road to where it led-and it led to yidden. When the priests had their church scandals that made front page also. When Moslem sheiks are arrested for terrorist crimes, that is in the headlines. Stop this anti-semite nonsense every time a Jew gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar. ”
Again we are focusing in the wrong direction. Dweck is a Rasha who entrapped people and made a terrible Chlul Hashem. He made yidden look terrible in the eyes of the Goyim. These Rabbis are guilty fell prey to this smooth talking Rasha, just like the bank manager who cleared the 25mil check.
We need to stop looking in the wrong direction.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:42 PM Anonymous Says:
The FBI is acting like the KGB lately. Nobody can withstand scrutiny. The FBI decides whom they want to arrest, they scrutinize him and, obviously, they find something, if they don’t find they entrap him, and then they arrest him. Like the KGB just with a nice cover. The real criminals are never caught. Who can say he never violated the law! Don’t be so quick to blame another person. One day you may be the target.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:36 PM Avrohom Abba Says:
To me, it looks like some wise guys got caught. First there was this big shot wise guy and he saved his own behind by bringing down about 50 other people.
Either way, the only anti-Semitism I see is the anti-Semitism these wise guys created for other Jews who did not do this low class bribery and money laundering. Hats and beards do not impress, they only disguise. Some are great people under the hat and beard, and some are fake hypocrites.
I think the FBI did a criminal investigation, not an anti Jewish probe, and they were spurred on by one rotten apple, who got the FBI to entrap others.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:33 PM mendel Says:
Are we doing ourselves a real disservice by rotting out the Anti Semite tune. While in America one has the presumption of innocence, experience has taught us that when there is a multi year investigation with a wired informant and hundreds of thousands of dollars run through the system - there is significant evidence of wrongdoing.
I for one think the time has come to seek methods to limit who WE ALLOW to use the title Rabbi -- if we want to limit the potential fallout
the time has come to seperate frum from charedi
the time has come to recognize that part of being "THE CHOSEN PEOPLE' is that we will get front page coverage for our misdeeds -- especially when everyone who went to yeshiva is a Rabbi
the time has come to take SOME responsibility -- rather than somehow posit that we are the VICTIMS
a secular friend asked me what to answer his gentile co-workers when asked "whats happening with the black hats and black coats -- first the jail chaplain and now the rabbis --
maybe its time for more non rabbis, and more colorful clothing
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:32 PM Anonymous Says:
I agree with most of what he said but the truth is this investigation started way before Madoff and also way before President Obama came to power.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:32 PM Anonymous Says:
Perhaps there were shades of anti-Semitism in belaboring the term rabbis again and again. But, the people who allegedly committed the crimes, weren't persuaded to do wrong by anti-Semites. We have to learn when to yell "anti-Semitism" against a blatant miscarriage of justice and not to pull out the word every time a Jew is accused of wrongdoing. A little contrition and a lot of Teshuvah is what's needed here - they should have remembered G-d and stop worrying about the media.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:03 PM Klugy Says:
If it is not anti semitism why did the judge set bail much higher for the "Jews"??
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:45 PM MDshweks Says:
The FBI is of-course viciouse and presented it wrong to the public. But that what they are to every citizen - a prosecutor, a Kateigor - and then it goes to court.
I think if they would have a Muslim cooperating witness they would do the same thing there...
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:42 PM Barzilai Says:
Don't you commenters realize that the truth doesn't matter? What matters is the terrible chillul Hashem, and if claims of "Anti-Semitism" can mitigate that chillul Hashem by some degree, it's worth it. Would it be more pleasing to you if the editorial would have said "Yes, these rabbis are indifferent to the law, who are arrogant and self-righteous, who thought the goyim would never catch them"? Maybe that would appeal to your desire for truth?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:39 PM survivorofantisemitism Says:
Anti-semitism is why us Jews are supposed to keep our noses as clean as a whistle. Those who choose not to have to pay the price (ie be a korban) to set an example for future generations of what not to do. It's such a shame that they couldn't teach in a positive manner.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:16 PM חכם מה הוא אומר Says:
אנחנו ה יהודים צריכים לפרסם בניורק טיימס שאין לנו עסק עמהם וכל זה נגד התורה
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:17 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Stop sounding like a bunch of self hating Jews. Big crimes,let me ask u this, when the Jews were in a comunist country, did we follow all the laws? No. Why? Cuz we couldn't exist. What big crimes did these Rabbis do? They didn't pay some tax? Or they helped some honest business ppl cut some taxes so maybe they can benefit some yashivah a little more?? Even if they did it for personal gain, wow, big crime. So yes, they r still tzadikim and they did good. Just cuz some Dwek made a big chilul hashem, doesn't mean they did. Let me ask something else. That office on 13 Ave, who would let u drop off money by them and u can pick it up in israel, wow, another huge crime. The meshulach that comes here to collect for their childs wedding, what's he suppose to do? Pay taxes on that money? Any idea how much the government would rob them for that? So these indaviduals who helped them out, for a percent, criminals, hu? Jail, hu? U guys r nuts. U are the anti semites. And I have some more news for you. Rabbi rosenbaum, baught a kidny for 10k sold for 160k, u really think 150k went into his pocket? First of all, there were other brokers involved and more important, I know of 2 cases, where for that money, he flew the patiant in for israel for the surgery, he also paid for the HOSPITAL stay for 2 weeks. Any idea howmany jews would have been dead if he wouldn't of been doing this?... Ok, my throught is hurting from screaming so much. There were no crimes done. Yes, our country does have some comunisim to it. Should they all get out of this mess very soon. ”
With attitudes like yours, we are in big trouble. I hope any non-jews who read this blog understand that your comments reflect only a tiny miniscule percent of Jews. The vast majority of Jews love this county and respect and obey its laws. Please don't judge us by stupid comments like these.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:09 PM Gershom Says:
This was not anti-semitism. If you read the actual charges made against the so called Rabbis in question, you will see that they were charged with laundering money that they knew was money earned in an illegal manner to begin with.
So, the lowlife who was working with the FBI to catch the other money launderers told the Chief Rabbi on separate occasions that the money he wanted launder was money he was hiding from bankruptcy court, money he earned illegally by falsely labeling products, or money that he earned by obtaining a mortgage on a piece of real estate that didn't even exist. Rather than throw him out of his office, the Rabbi, along with other Rabbis HELPED him do it.
They are garbage and it's a positive mitzvah to say that they are garbage. The crimes they supported are crimes of Halacha as well as crimes of the country they live in, and they knew exactly what they were doing. The recorded sessions are quite clear on this.
I'm not exactly comforted to know that idiots like Ze'ev clearly think that mere money laundering is really OK and somehow helping people launder money doesn't connect them to the crimes they did to obtain the money. The willingness of people to launder these illegal proceeds is exactly what empowers the criminals to steal in the first place.
We are Jews. Jews do not steal in order to fund charities. I realize that nearly every black hat Rabbi does steal (via money laundering) in order to fund their charities, their schools, their kollels, and their synagogues, but that doesn't make it right. It just makes us a disgrace to humanity.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:08 PM Anonymous Says:
“ You guys don't get it, of course if they did the crime they were rightly arrested, but the FBI tried to turn this into a racketeering (rico) case by arresting them all together and announcing how they brought down a "group of money launderers", it is definitely not rico since the accused did not work together, they are seperate cases. The penalties in a rico case are alot more severe than a single individual who's did money laundering. ”
They also arrested several politicians and others the same day. That's what they do when their investigation is done -- they arrest everyone at the same time so as not to alert any of the suspects that the informer was wired and informing, lest they flee the country or destroy documents or evidence. It still has nothing to do with anti-semitism. BTW -- would you have prefered if they dragged this out for a month with a new arrest and new headline every day?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:08 PM Sam Says:
Others have said this but it bears repeating. These were not individuals that were breaking the law all along until the FBI came along and kicked everyone out of the pool. This was a case of one person (allegedly) trying to save his skin who went around fishing for people to commit new crimes. Many posters are assuming that the people caught were living a life of crime up until this point. I am not defending anyone but lets not rush to judgement. There is much more to learn about this case.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 06:28 PM Anonymous Says:
“ It's not like these guys were framed. They were doing illegal criminal acts. Do the crime, do the time. We should not use the anti-semite card when it is not kdai to do so. Like that Gates guy in Cambridge playing the race card last week only to get made a fool of. ”
That's not true. read the indictment. The FBI has created criminals to marginalize Jews. They would have never have done it to another minority group.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:21 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Don't you commenters realize that the truth doesn't matter? What matters is the terrible chillul Hashem, and if claims of "Anti-Semitism" can mitigate that chillul Hashem by some degree, it's worth it. Would it be more pleasing to you if the editorial would have said "Yes, these rabbis are indifferent to the law, who are arrogant and self-righteous, who thought the goyim would never catch them"? Maybe that would appeal to your desire for truth? ”
I disagree. Playing the anti-semitism card (especially without the evidence) only increases the Chillul Hashem. The editorial could have simply said, nothing has been proven yet and these men are presumed innocent, but IF true, this behavior is not constitent with Jewish morals or ethics and is not condoned.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:26 PM Anonymous Says:
Hashem yerachem veHashem yaazor aleinu!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:34 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I wonder if you are jewish or not, but one thing for sure, you are a huge idiot!!! Think about it, when a christen or a mouslim steals, what would the head line say? "A Christen stole"???? "A Mouslim stole"??? Or it will just say the fbi cought john or muhamed etc. So why when a jew steals, the media referls to him as "jew" instead of just talking about the name of the person etc. THATS WHY ITS PURE ANTICIMETISIM ”
Yes, I agree there is some anti-semitism involved- its the way of the world. The goyim are always looking for an excuse, and that's exactly why we must make sure not to give them reasons to increase their anti-semitism. Bottom line, if you don't do anything illegal, you won't get caught and then they won't have more reason to be anti-semitic!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:31 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Again we are focusing in the wrong direction. Dweck is a Rasha who entrapped people and made a terrible Chlul Hashem. He made yidden look terrible in the eyes of the Goyim. These Rabbis are guilty fell prey to this smooth talking Rasha, just like the bank manager who cleared the 25mil check.
We need to stop looking in the wrong direction. ”
No, the Yidden MADE THEMSELVES look terrible in the eyes of the goyim. Dwek was just the widwife to bring their bad behavior into the world. Taking responsibility for one's evil deeds is one of the main aspects of doing teshuva. No one forced the Yidden to launder what THEY KNEW TO BE DIRTY MONEY, THEY JUMPED TO DO IT WITH GLEE. It is their own actions that caused this Chilul Hashem.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:43 PM a normal jew Says:
i dont understand why any of you can accept the fact that some jews are "mushcheisim" and while they may look %100 percent kosher they are actually of the worst. the worst part of this whole fiasco is that on every newspape rit is plastered that it the ultra ultra orthodox jews that did that. now what will the nonjews think -if this is what the stringent of the stringent do then what do the orthodox or even the modern jews do. and all of you people are trying to defend these people while you should be looking at yourselves from this story to see how to improve ourselves to show the nonjews what special and holy people we are.and whoever is pulling the "antisemite card" is truly a fool because it just shows the nonjews that we are trying to higher these peoples status instead of showing that they are the rotten apples of the jews therefore lowering the status of the jews to the level of the nonjews .
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:49 PM cool masmid Says:
Whatever happened to 'hevei dan ess kol adom lekuf zecus'.... I don't get it,the gemara says even a person who is a baal aveira and you could find even the slightest possibility that you could judge him favorably you must do so, how much more so...... again HOW MUCH MORE SO these fine yidden we must judge them favorably. My brocho to all you that speak well of these fine yidden may Hashem judge you favorably, and all you dispicable self hating jews may Hashem judge you the same way - and He will and it won't be pretty.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 08:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I disagree. Playing the anti-semitism card (especially without the evidence) only increases the Chillul Hashem. The editorial could have simply said, nothing has been proven yet and these men are presumed innocent, but IF true, this behavior is not constitent with Jewish morals or ethics and is not condoned. ”
it is anti semtisem they spent 10 years going after a case of3 million dollars divided by 40 people come on this is nothing also the biggest bribe was 25 thousand dollars and that was a non jew come on of course its anti semitisem it makes no sense they are small fry also the rabbis were told he was starving had no money and they were saving his life by doing one little thing that was a little illegal come on they thought it was a minor thing like speeding these are rabbis they dont read the papers or watch tv they didnt even know what laundering is they thought they were saving his life these arent career criminals like the fbi should be catching one of the sphardim they arrested he was asked to make a bribe and refused so they asked him "what you never gave a bribe" and he said maybe once or twice and was arrested come on
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:22 PM Anonymous Says:
“ the community should cleverly counter SUE the Feds for this race based arrests,
point being how about going in to BED-STUYVESANT pick one out of ten African Americans offer them $25.000 cash for marijuana give him a couple of days & the guy will show up with goods, then arrest the "Drug Dealer" (even though this guy would not get involved if not that whoever set him up)
”
Not only are you off base with your suggestion to sue in civil court the FBI, do you understand that would give them an legal excuses anybody who has any money transactions with theses people I don’t this they want that, them you go from silliness, to pure vulgar and hate intended for every African Americans. Shame on you,
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:10 PM joe Says:
“ Stop sounding like a bunch of self hating Jews. Big crimes,let me ask u this, when the Jews were in a comunist country, did we follow all the laws? No. Why? Cuz we couldn't exist. What big crimes did these Rabbis do? They didn't pay some tax? Or they helped some honest business ppl cut some taxes so maybe they can benefit some yashivah a little more?? Even if they did it for personal gain, wow, big crime. So yes, they r still tzadikim and they did good. Just cuz some Dwek made a big chilul hashem, doesn't mean they did. Let me ask something else. That office on 13 Ave, who would let u drop off money by them and u can pick it up in israel, wow, another huge crime. The meshulach that comes here to collect for their childs wedding, what's he suppose to do? Pay taxes on that money? Any idea how much the government would rob them for that? So these indaviduals who helped them out, for a percent, criminals, hu? Jail, hu? U guys r nuts. U are the anti semites. And I have some more news for you. Rabbi rosenbaum, baught a kidny for 10k sold for 160k, u really think 150k went into his pocket? First of all, there were other brokers involved and more important, I know of 2 cases, where for that money, he flew the patiant in for israel for the surgery, he also paid for the HOSPITAL stay for 2 weeks. Any idea howmany jews would have been dead if he wouldn't of been doing this?... Ok, my throught is hurting from screaming so much. There were no crimes done. Yes, our country does have some comunisim to it. Should they all get out of this mess very soon. ”
this is exactly the way i feel there is basicaly no way to live 100% within the law i know people who work for the Gov who themself will skirt with the law only because of its crazyness i hope the entrapment defence will work and the dewk gets his just due's hopefully this should be the last bad news story of the 9 days
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:10 PM Anonymous Says:
“
Whatever happened to 'hevei dan ess kol adom lekuf zecus'.... I don't get it,the gemara says even a person who is a baal aveira and you could find even the slightest possibility that you could judge him favorably you must do so, how much more so...... again HOW MUCH MORE SO these fine yidden we must judge them favorably. My brocho to all you that speak well of these fine yidden may Hashem judge you favorably, and all you dispicable self hating jews may Hashem judge you the same way - and He will and it won't be pretty. ”
Although most of the excuses being made for the conduct (if true) are rather flimsy, at the risk of sounding ageist (if that's a word), I have a real problem with the arrest of an 87 year old. I don't want to assume that someone is not fully able to understand what they are doing just because they are older, but is it possible that this elderly Rabbi didn't understand the law or what Dwerk was asking him to do? I am hoping that he will never stand trial. By the time this gets to trial he will be 88 or 89. I can't imagine any prosecutor wanting to try a case against someone who looks like a kindly grandfather or great grandfather. I'll bet he can get off with a small fine and probation or maybe the charges even get dismissed.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:07 PM NB Says:
“
Whatever happened to 'hevei dan ess kol adom lekuf zecus'.... I don't get it,the gemara says even a person who is a baal aveira and you could find even the slightest possibility that you could judge him favorably you must do so, how much more so...... again HOW MUCH MORE SO these fine yidden we must judge them favorably. My brocho to all you that speak well of these fine yidden may Hashem judge you favorably, and all you dispicable self hating jews may Hashem judge you the same way - and He will and it won't be pretty. ”
On an individual level..one must be dan l'kaf zechus...
But when there's a phenomena going on in the community there is no inyan to be dan l'kaf zechus...One must act with disgust at the direction our nation is headed in.
I hope you have the faculties to understand what I just said.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:00 PM Anonymous Says:
“
Whatever happened to 'hevei dan ess kol adom lekuf zecus'.... I don't get it,the gemara says even a person who is a baal aveira and you could find even the slightest possibility that you could judge him favorably you must do so, how much more so...... again HOW MUCH MORE SO these fine yidden we must judge them favorably. My brocho to all you that speak well of these fine yidden may Hashem judge you favorably, and all you dispicable self hating jews may Hashem judge you the same way - and He will and it won't be pretty. ”
You are right about judging favorably. However, that does not mean that we jump up and down screaming anti-semitism and making excuses that assume that the charges are true, like it's not such a bad crime and it was entrapment or the motives were good, and Obama is out to get us. Instead we say that we hope the allegations are not proven and until there is a trial, the defendants deserve the benefit of the doubt. Much of the negative comments are due to the excuses that are being made.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:00 PM Anonymous Says:
Its a silly accusation, and he is still blaming Obama..
I hope those teiera yidden will be vindicated, this is a horrible case of entrapment by a career low life criminal, and they were baited into those alleged crimes.
But blaming the honorable USA for antisemitism is wrong!!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:55 PM Anonymous Says:
Why are we putting ourselves down by something that was done with evil intentions by mostly good individuals who would at any time helped all of you had you been in their path, how can fellow jews use a language saying they deserve to be locked up while those individuals would likely use their money to help all of you out had you been in trouble.
Remember! We talk so much about those arrested as if they've done a crime so horrible as Murder, these guys have done something that can for sure be fixed, they stole money for the gov.? Have return it with penalties + interest, had they killed someone? Then it would've been impossible to reverse.
Wake up people! Be proud of your fellow jews, Chasidim Litvish Sfardish All jews! The best of the goyim does not come close to the average jew! If you would like to proof it? Chazal teached us Odom Niker Bkoso Bkiso Bkaso, Humans behavior are easily identified by the way the eat, Deal, and Anger. Try to take away food from a goy or try to upset him and see what he does, he might hold open a door for you which a chasid will neglect to do so and you'll see who's better.
A jew that steals 10 million from the Gov is 100x better then a Law abiding texes red Neck, Scott Peterson Paid all his texes on-time and did not do any money laundrying and yet he killed his pregnant wife without mercy.
All of you self hating jews who are ashamed to be a jew because of those who were arrested I have one message to you "get lost"
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:53 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I wonder if you are jewish or not, but one thing for sure, you are a huge idiot!!! Think about it, when a christen or a mouslim steals, what would the head line say? "A Christen stole"???? "A Mouslim stole"??? Or it will just say the fbi cought john or muhamed etc. So why when a jew steals, the media referls to him as "jew" instead of just talking about the name of the person etc. THATS WHY ITS PURE ANTICIMETISIM ”
you are the idiot. true, your run-of-the-mill chirstian or muslim won't get that kind of press; but neither will your average jew. the operative word here is rabbis. if a sheik or a priest were to do the same, the media would absolutely play up that angle.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 09:34 PM It takes one to know one Says:
“ I wonder if you are jewish or not, but one thing for sure, you are a huge idiot!!! Think about it, when a christen or a mouslim steals, what would the head line say? "A Christen stole"???? "A Mouslim stole"??? Or it will just say the fbi cought john or muhamed etc. So why when a jew steals, the media referls to him as "jew" instead of just talking about the name of the person etc. THATS WHY ITS PURE ANTICIMETISIM ”
They didn't arrest stam a yid, they arrested heads of the community...and even if they did arrest stam a yid, we jews (whether on purpose or not) wear our religion on our sleaves (or heads) which means we are held to a higher standard. the higher you are the longer the fall which is why the media refers to it as JEWS as opposed to individuals stealing, a good example would be if a priest were to launder the money or atleast a deacon in a church.
But overall you are wholly wrong, and it is a huge chillul hashem
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:13 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Its pretty clear that just about everyone reading this article has the same reaction. The Chareidim just cannot seem to understand that the laws apply to them whether in the U.S. or EY. Its sad but it seems like more of these yiddin will be rotting in jail before they drop their arrogant disregard to the laws of the medinah they live in and show some respect for the rules the rest of us live by without any difficulty. ”
I wouldn't say that the FBI is antidemitic, but YOU definitely are!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:30 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Here we go again...."the terrible antisimitim at the FBI made these poor rabonim commit these crimes..." By making these kind of allegations, the hareidim only further marginalize themselves and leave us questioning whether they are really this foolish or totally out of touch with reality. Its not rocket science: These rabbonim were greedy and there is strong evidence they committed felonies under U.S. law. If they hadn't been caught, they would still be considered great tzadikim and bal'ei tzadakah. Now they are humiliated and likley to go to jail with Dweck, Madoff, and the rest of these ehreleche yiddin. Its an old game, when you get cought stealing, yell Gevalt! ...the antisimitim are after me!! ”
greedy thieves?THEY LIVE LIKE KINGS?THEY GAVE IT ALL AWAY TO CHARITY.I am not saying it's okay;i'm afraid i would have had pity on him;also.In the main point they are entirely correct. The FBI made like evreyone was connected and involved,to make themselves look good. They know the headlines are most important,not the fine print under it.10 years?!What bluff.PRE EXISTING,where is the evidence.?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:27 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Once again, jews are wrongly using the anti - semitism card. It is a simple formula.. Steal, Lie, Cheat, Swindle, Abuse..and don't get caught. If you do, simply say it is anti - semitism.
How long will jews continue this stupidity? Even this idiot admits.. "Regardless of the details of the case - I am not familiar with the precise charges and the evidence"... He has a big mouth and does not know the details of the case.. yet he is quick to say it is anti - semitism. Just like the foolish 33 concert ban rabbis who did know the details of the case, yet brought down innocent people. May g-d strongly punish this idiot jews! ”
I am sorry but fact is fact of 44 ppl 11 were jews and what we hear is jewish communtiy, rabbis etc. We all know that this what they like and want they all happy when it comes to jews and especially with some rabbis involved
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:18 PM Anonymous Says:
Stupid and wrong to accuse FBI of antisemitism.
And ugly and filthy the way many bloggers here refer to all jews, if some (very few people) are accused of an alleged crime, don't bash at "jews" as a whole, same goes with bashing at frum. it shows hate and a lack of midos and manners.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM esther the second Says:
“ Once again, jews are wrongly using the anti - semitism card. It is a simple formula.. Steal, Lie, Cheat, Swindle, Abuse..and don't get caught. If you do, simply say it is anti - semitism.
How long will jews continue this stupidity? Even this idiot admits.. "Regardless of the details of the case - I am not familiar with the precise charges and the evidence"... He has a big mouth and does not know the details of the case.. yet he is quick to say it is anti - semitism. Just like the foolish 33 concert ban rabbis who did know the details of the case, yet brought down innocent people. May g-d strongly punish this idiot jews! ”
I am not sure what is worse, you wishing Hashem's punishment on your fellow jew or what the "Rabbis were accused of" and not proven yet! Don't you want Hashem to judge you favorably?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:00 PM Oheiv Yisroel Says:
Look guys, why don't we wait to see this thing to court before we speculate whether these guys are "idiots" who are creating a chillul hashem and antisemitism. How can we know the full extent of their "attrocious" behavior before evidence is brought in a court of law? Why are we always jumping to conclusions based on the runaway imaginations of the media, who are clearly biased and antisemitic?
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:59 PM Barzilai Says:
“ I disagree. Playing the anti-semitism card (especially without the evidence) only increases the Chillul Hashem. The editorial could have simply said, nothing has been proven yet and these men are presumed innocent, but IF true, this behavior is not constitent with Jewish morals or ethics and is not condoned. ”
The chillul Hashem happened, and distancing ourselves from the defendants with public statements of disapproval will do nothing to diminish that fact. These are not just stam politicians, these are respected community role models, and there's nothing believable we can say that will reverse the natural reaction that Jews are just incurably venal by nature. But the big lie, the claim that this was all trumped up anti-semitic theater that inflated trivial infractions, might change some minds. There's nothing we can say about Rabbi Kidney; the issue of whether paying for organs is ethical is not going to be decided on editorial pages. But as far as supporting hard-pressed charities through kickbacks and willful ignorance of the provenance of the money can be made to seem no more wicked than speeding or employing gardners without green cards.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:49 PM Charlie Hall Says:
This accusation is beyond the pale.
This same FBI foiled a plot to bomb two synagogues in my neighborhood, one of which I davened in today. If they were really anti-Semitic they would have waited until the bombs went off.
I call on Mr. Yakun to withdraw his accusation. It is *not* helpful to Jews in the United States who rely on the FBI for protection against terrorists.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:30 PM Anonymous Says:
“ It's just amazing how ignorant some people can be!
If you would be a real Yid, with a bit of seichel, you would know that we should be a good example to the world and not one of swindle and cheating!
Stop trying to find an excuse and call people anti-semitic!
There are BAD jews and RABBIS, just accept it and get on with your life! ”
If you would know how many times Dweck treid to convins those rabbies to take those checks from him and after a couple of times bagging the feal'd bad and did it for him you wouldn't talk like this. Again nobody is treing to deny the crime but bring out the truth how they got into this. You stupid people.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:25 PM Charles Hall Says:
“ This accusation is beyond the pale.
This same FBI foiled a plot to bomb two synagogues in my neighborhood, one of which I davened in today. If they were really anti-Semitic they would have waited until the bombs went off.
I call on Mr. Yakun to withdraw his accusation. It is *not* helpful to Jews in the United States who rely on the FBI for protection against terrorists. ”
In this comment I mistyped and made a serious error: I spelled Mr. Kakun's name incorrectly. I regret the error and apologize for any embarrassment that it may have caused.
I stand by the content of the comment.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:11 PM Anonymous Says:
To all of you SELF HATING JEWS! (like comment #1 - #4 - #7 - #9 etc, etc)
One day you will all rot in Jail or (Hell)!
You can "CLEARLY" see the Anti Semitisim in this story. Just go back to the original breaking News and follow it! It is as clear as black and white. what is it? 44 people arrested. No connection between one and the other? Only 3 Million involved? And the headlines have to scream RABBIS - Jews etc?
We all see from the reports, that Dwek sometimes even forced the "Rabbis" to cash checks for him... He- This Rosho - Put the words into their mouths! Wait and see the whole case falling apart & Drek sitting for life ... and in Gehenim forever!
"You cant help anyone in the great USA without doing something "illegal" if thats what you want to call it!
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Jul 26, 2009 at 11:11 PM cool masmid Says:
“ On an individual level..one must be dan l'kaf zechus...
But when there's a phenomena going on in the community there is no inyan to be dan l'kaf zechus...One must act with disgust at the direction our nation is headed in.
I hope you have the faculties to understand what I just said. ”
Yes I do have the faculties to understand what you just said, but you are dead wrong - how much more so - NOT less, do we have to be dan lecaf zecus. I'm not sure where you got your facts from, but again they're incorrect. Furthermore your whole lomdos that you state doesn't add up because these condemnations and vitriol leveled at these fine yidden were very personable and direct. And so my question still stands, and you have yet to answer it.
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Jul 26, 2009 at 10:38 PM Anonymous Says:
most people here dont come from our community so SHUT UP!!!! Dwek came crying telling them he had no money and some rabbis out of alot had the rachmanuss ( which is a jewish trait) even after all the sindling he did to help him out and yet he screwed them!
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Jul 27, 2009 at 06:01 AM NB Says:
“ Yes I do have the faculties to understand what you just said, but you are dead wrong - how much more so - NOT less, do we have to be dan lecaf zecus. I'm not sure where you got your facts from, but again they're incorrect. Furthermore your whole lomdos that you state doesn't add up because these condemnations and vitriol leveled at these fine yidden were very personable and direct. And so my question still stands, and you have yet to answer it. ”
I cant speak for anyone else..I can only speak for myself.
We can be dan l'kaf zechus al of them on an individual level while at the same time showing extreme disappointment on a collective level.
It's not a contradiction.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 05:49 AM bronx bubby Says:
“ I wonder if you are jewish or not, but one thing for sure, you are a huge idiot!!! Think about it, when a christen or a mouslim steals, what would the head line say? "A Christen stole"???? "A Mouslim stole"??? Or it will just say the fbi cought john or muhamed etc. So why when a jew steals, the media referls to him as "jew" instead of just talking about the name of the person etc. THATS WHY ITS PURE ANTICIMETISIM ”
When a Moslem tries to blow up a shul, the media refers to him as a Moslem, as we all saw a few months ago. They don't mention Christians because it is the majority religion, so people are assumed to be Christians, unless stated otherwise. If it is a Christian preacher, however, the media are all over it.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 07:10 AM joeshmoe Says:
wow I wouldn't believe all this racism coming from the fbi and even the less from yiddin themselves. was anything proven? the dust didn't start settling yet and yet you have the immorality to say they're guilty? Y You are lower than all the goyim! start learning before you start exclaiming what you don't know in public! hevey dan es kol adam lkaf zchus! that's the entire statment! no buts or ifs! now, the fact is that there was a setup here, which you yourself wouldn't make it out from clean! al tadin es chavercha ad shetagiya l'mkomo! you and ppl like you including this other self hating jew emanual (which I DO understand him, running after kovod. "kinna taava kovod motziim es haadam min haolam") are the people that ensured no help for yiddin dying in the holocaust would be helped by the rabbis march (by invoking the same claims you antisemite are). how could you open your mouth! this is disgusting! when bill clinton had his court cases you didn't even hear 1 goy saying that he's definitely guilty before having his day in court!
we can just permit anti semitism to creep up quietly till its a full blown plague or we can point it out and yell out loud and clear TOGETHER ME AND YOU! expose this vermon get his fired sued etc. thereby trying not to be tzon latevachin every generation. there are much to many pointers in this story pointing to blatant anti semitism. 1) creating some first time offenders then arresting them. (where no one reported the 2 people let out right away cause the pros said she couldn't find anything to work on! 2) 5 stories which the fbi claim is a big network (1 story) hey maybe explain to me how money laundering and bribes and selling body parts each by different individuals the only thing tying this together (making it a "crime ring") is this dwek. etc. etc. sooo many pointers. how could you even think of not having to be easily dan lkaf zchus! do we really have to give the goyim not yet expressing their antisemitic tendencies a 4 lane freeway to blaming and besmearing us all as 1. THINK
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Jul 27, 2009 at 05:45 AM bronx bubby Says:
“ Once again, jews are wrongly using the anti - semitism card. It is a simple formula.. Steal, Lie, Cheat, Swindle, Abuse..and don't get caught. If you do, simply say it is anti - semitism.
How long will jews continue this stupidity? Even this idiot admits.. "Regardless of the details of the case - I am not familiar with the precise charges and the evidence"... He has a big mouth and does not know the details of the case.. yet he is quick to say it is anti - semitism. Just like the foolish 33 concert ban rabbis who did know the details of the case, yet brought down innocent people. May g-d strongly punish this idiot jews! ”
The FBI uses informants as they can get them. This Dweck was willing, and since he is from the Jewish community, he brought the FBI there. And since he was in Real Estate, he also posed as a developer to expose NJ politicians.
I do agree, though, that the media is making it into some kind of Jewish conspiracy, which it is not. But sensationalism is what sells.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 04:59 AM Itche Says:
“ Once again, jews are wrongly using the anti - semitism card. It is a simple formula.. Steal, Lie, Cheat, Swindle, Abuse..and don't get caught. If you do, simply say it is anti - semitism.
How long will jews continue this stupidity? Even this idiot admits.. "Regardless of the details of the case - I am not familiar with the precise charges and the evidence"... He has a big mouth and does not know the details of the case.. yet he is quick to say it is anti - semitism. Just like the foolish 33 concert ban rabbis who did know the details of the case, yet brought down innocent people. May g-d strongly punish this idiot jews! ”
Anyone with common sense and an average IQ can see how this case, whether right or wrong was racially motivated.
This case is not about a mob or a gang. There were three different crimes involved, in three different cities. Some of these people will be aquitted very easily, some may not. But this was done in the most horrific way, bringing in buses into the neighborhood, as if the entire neighborhood is inolved in crime and they finally are cleaning up. If this doesn't raise eyebrows what should? Is this the way they would do it in the black community? No WAY! Don't forget, most of these people don't even know each other and their charges are not related. The main thing is the FBI managed to paint a discussting portrait of our community.
We shall not remain Silent!
In addition, do you think it make sense for a government agency to get a criminal to enourage others to do crime. He begged people to cash him checks, because he will starve. As was the case with Rabbi Kassin, who refused him several times.is that investigation ?
Perhaps the ugliest form of entrapment of inicent individuals, just to prove how great the FBI is.
No excuse for crime, but we don't have to allow such profiling of out community which is full of law abiding citizens who contribute to society en large.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 04:50 AM Anonymous Says:
As a Jew living in the U.S. it makes me very uncomfortable when an Israel paper assassinated with an Israeli political party interferes with U.S. local issues. Israeli papers should not comment on the motives of FBI arresting U.S. citizens who were involved in breaking U.S. federal laws. Not only that, the constant "antisemitism, holocaust, nazi" cards do not work anymore, just like Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's racism and racial profiling cards don't work when black criminals get arrested by the police.
If FBI had antisemitic motives behind these arrests, then the same FBI would luck up many more people, ages ago, with in the Frum communities for vast amounts of white collar illegal activities that are more common than we think.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 04:38 AM get a life Says:
israelis know nothin bout fbi and should keep their mouths shut. and stop crying everytime a 'chareidi' gets caught. yes in israel chareidi stories are blown out of proportion , but chill out. this is the good 'ol u.s of a and the fbi was just doin its job. its the people involved that brought this tragedy on the jewish people BLAME THEM! we have some some tshuva to do so stop pointing fingers at the fbi and the cops grylak and mk zev. hey grylak and mk zev why not write a story or two about the (ANTISEMITISM) unfairness of the religious school system where almost every kid that gets in to the 'cheder' of his dads choice has to bribe (yes BRIBE) the crooked menahel (menahel ksafim???) to accept his son. and i am not talking about a sfardi that wants in to a ashkenaz cheder (who had better take out a mortgage or change his last name!!)
AMERICANS have allot to teach the isrealis about sinas chinam and antisemitism
got to lakewood mir or any yeshiva in the u.s. and tell me who is a sfardi and who is an ashenazi-- thats right you cant because everyone there is only there to learn torah and TORAH BRING US TOGETHER
have a meaning full fast everyone
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Jul 27, 2009 at 04:03 AM MrD Says:
Do we always need to use the anti-Semitic card? If it is indeed fuelled by anti-Semitism then what good will it do to point this out and if not, then the damage being done by screaming anti-Semitism far outweighs any potential benefit. The Anti-Semitism card should be used sparingly and judiciously
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Jul 27, 2009 at 08:09 AM David Says:
Since when is it anti-Semitic to arrest a Jew who commits a crime? I have no reason to believe that the FBI practiced any bigotry-- but I do suspect that certain rabbis in this story may have believed that they didn't have to follow "goyish" laws. So, who's the bigot, Mr. Kakun?
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Jul 27, 2009 at 07:58 AM Anonymous Says:
Most people have a bit of larceny in thier heart.
lying about age at an amusemnet park to get a discount
finagleing here and there with prices.
This whole non profit money laundering scheme which dates back to the early 60's started small and then stealing the the candy was so easy and tasted too good to stop. The fact is that if you ask any of these institutions if they did anything wrong they will say no. The fact is that they did wrong!
It was easy for Dwek to snare them just like it was easy for him to sweet talk his real estate dealings. Dwek will tell his story one day few will beleive him most will allways villify him.
The money launderers will go down in history as victims of snitching and be praised as martyrs and heros of Frum Chreidi society taking from the rich USA and giving to the poor for tzedakah...... "a victimless crime".
Jewish Frum Society has gone down the toilet for the most part. Focusing on a Blat Gemorah and not Menshlachkeit. Manufacturing Speakers and Seminar givers. Frum soceity is turning out many"Boki B'Shas" with midos of lowly thugs acting with malice like gangsters while preaching that thier acts of malice, slander and theivery are L'Shem Shomayim.
In my most humble opinion the Reboin Shel Oilem sent a horrible message Rejecting the tzedakah and korbonos of an ill-begotten ..."Lulav Hagozel" .
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Jul 27, 2009 at 08:12 AM David Says:
“ I wonder if you are jewish or not, but one thing for sure, you are a huge idiot!!! Think about it, when a christen or a mouslim steals, what would the head line say? "A Christen stole"???? "A Mouslim stole"??? Or it will just say the fbi cought john or muhamed etc. So why when a jew steals, the media referls to him as "jew" instead of just talking about the name of the person etc. THATS WHY ITS PURE ANTICIMETISIM ”
First, don't call other people idiots until you learn to spell and think properly on your own. Second, the media didn't refer to these men as "Jews;" it referred to them as "rabbis," which is exactly what they were. And that fact was newsworthy. If a priest or an imam gets arrested (as happens from time to time), the news media points out that the individual was a priest or an imam. Why should rabbis be any different? Now, apologize for your intemperate use of words (during the nine days, no less) and for your appalling butchery of the English language.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 08:59 AM PMO Says:
I don't get it. If you commit a crime, you KNOWINGLY risk getting caught and arrested. So... what is the problem here? Even if they were approached 20 times to commit these crimes, no matter what the circumstances... they KNOWINGLY took the risk. That's the price you pay for giving up on morality.
Secondly, I have not seen anything antisemitic. The fact that they identified them as "Rabbis" is antisemitic? If the story had been a positive one about some great chessed would it also be antisemitic to call them "Rabbis"? This is a VERY newsworthy story and details are important. Imagine if the story about the "bombers" in the Bronx just left out the detail that the men were Muslims. The same people shouting antisemitism now would be shouting about the media being pro-Muslim and not wanting them to look bad. Give me a break.
Kakun says "...you would never see the FBI and police behaving that way with Muslim sheikhs or Christian priests..." Really? Did we so quickly forget about the raids on Muslim leaders here in FL that were suspected of funneling money to Hamas? They were found innocent, but an entire wealthy family nearly lost their chain of businesses defending themselves when all they were doing was proving aid to orphanages and homes for elderly. They are a well respected family who give a great deal of money to homeless and battered-women's charities here in the US as well.
The fact is, I don't know who is innocent and who is guilty (except for Dwek) in these cases, and I will not pretend that I do know. NOBODY here knows. For all the morons saying things from "this is a chillul H' and they should rot in prison" to those saying "He pressured them and made them feel sorry for him.... they were innocent", they are all full of it. Nobody here knows what was REALLY said behind closed doors. Nobody here knows what Dwek's past business dealings (direct or indirect) with these men are. I know we don't like to admit it, but sometimes the most seemingly honorable among us turn out to be nothing more than common thieves who dress the part. At the same time I am sure that some of them will be exonerated and we can deal with those issues then.
All this babbling nonsense about antisemitism and the like is just a smokescreen that some are using to hide the embarrassment we all feel knowing that at least some of this is most likely true.
Perhaps we should all wait to see the evidence come out first before we start screaming one way or the other.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 08:57 AM Anonymous Says:
The point is that 44 people were arrested: letsay 10 of them were Jews. What were the images in the media?
Only the Jews.
If some one breaks a law they deserve to be punished. But I definitely agree that the media is focusing on the Rabbi and Jew element. Whether that is anti-semitism or sensation - remains to be seen
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Jul 27, 2009 at 08:51 AM farvus nisht Says:
wow
amazing how people twist stories around every 1 has his smart comment to make, a major point here is......
3 years of investigation
millions of tax payers bucks
a total of some 50 arrests
made it seem like an international chareidi mafia ring, when it was individual people (not criminals) just framed and set up by dweck (yes , i know they still did the crime)
all 50 arrested same time wow 1 big ring rabbis, community leaders, politicians,
dont any 1 see something wrong here ?
oh, and dont forget, 50 people, 3 years investigation, and only 3 million dollars of laundering, sheeesh , something is funny here ,
this dweck FBI hero just 1 check was 25 million, open your eyes yell anti semitism or not, something doesnt add up here .
1 thing is for sure we could use some tefillos and teshuva, wich we are all involved in "CHILLUL HASHEM" lets all do a good deed to create a "KIDDUSH HASHEM"
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Jul 27, 2009 at 09:39 AM Gabriel Says:
“ Why are we putting ourselves down by something that was done with evil intentions by mostly good individuals who would at any time helped all of you had you been in their path, how can fellow jews use a language saying they deserve to be locked up while those individuals would likely use their money to help all of you out had you been in trouble.
Remember! We talk so much about those arrested as if they've done a crime so horrible as Murder, these guys have done something that can for sure be fixed, they stole money for the gov.? Have return it with penalties + interest, had they killed someone? Then it would've been impossible to reverse.
Wake up people! Be proud of your fellow jews, Chasidim Litvish Sfardish All jews! The best of the goyim does not come close to the average jew! If you would like to proof it? Chazal teached us Odom Niker Bkoso Bkiso Bkaso, Humans behavior are easily identified by the way the eat, Deal, and Anger. Try to take away food from a goy or try to upset him and see what he does, he might hold open a door for you which a chasid will neglect to do so and you'll see who's better.
A jew that steals 10 million from the Gov is 100x better then a Law abiding texes red Neck, Scott Peterson Paid all his texes on-time and did not do any money laundrying and yet he killed his pregnant wife without mercy.
All of you self hating jews who are ashamed to be a jew because of those who were arrested I have one message to you "get lost"
”
I can't believe you're justifying the acts of these rabbis with the arguments:
1. They didn't murder anyone (no, just forced people to have organs removed.)
2. They were only stealing from the government.
3. They are Jews.
4. Even the worst Jews are 100x better than the best goyim.
5. Characterizing goyim as murderers, in an attempt to make these rabbis look better.
6. Anyone who criticizes these rabbis is a "self hating Jew" and should "get lost."
The facts are thus: these rabbis profited greatly off the backs of the desperately poor and the desperately ill. They are sociopaths and just as evil and calculating as a serial killer.
You know what ramps up anti-semitism? Justifying acts like these and trying to maintain that Jews are better than goyim. If you can't recognize the humanity of non-Jews, then you're the one that needs to "get lost."
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Jul 27, 2009 at 09:33 AM anonymous Says:
“ Give me a break. These people sound just like Professor Gates from Harvard and his ilk (Sharpton, Jackson and all the other clowns) who claim racism at the drop of a hat. Why can't we just accept the fact that these people were criminals who deserve to be locked up? It has nothing to do with anti-semitism. ”
you are absolutely right and we slip into the same trap like sharpton that every criminal is a victim of white prejudice. Unfortunately we had and have Yidden with criminal behavior and actions.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:05 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Most people have a bit of larceny in thier heart.
lying about age at an amusemnet park to get a discount
finagleing here and there with prices.
This whole non profit money laundering scheme which dates back to the early 60's started small and then stealing the the candy was so easy and tasted too good to stop. The fact is that if you ask any of these institutions if they did anything wrong they will say no. The fact is that they did wrong!
It was easy for Dwek to snare them just like it was easy for him to sweet talk his real estate dealings. Dwek will tell his story one day few will beleive him most will allways villify him.
The money launderers will go down in history as victims of snitching and be praised as martyrs and heros of Frum Chreidi society taking from the rich USA and giving to the poor for tzedakah...... "a victimless crime".
Jewish Frum Society has gone down the toilet for the most part. Focusing on a Blat Gemorah and not Menshlachkeit. Manufacturing Speakers and Seminar givers. Frum soceity is turning out many"Boki B'Shas" with midos of lowly thugs acting with malice like gangsters while preaching that thier acts of malice, slander and theivery are L'Shem Shomayim.
In my most humble opinion the Reboin Shel Oilem sent a horrible message Rejecting the tzedakah and korbonos of an ill-begotten ..."Lulav Hagozel" .
”
This is true yeshivos and moisdos bow on their hands and knees to low lifes, swindlers and nursing home owners that hide behind LLC's and shell companies ripping off the Government collecting medicaid medicare for dead patients and false claims then giving 15% maisser all knowing that the money is gneva.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:18 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Why are we putting ourselves down by something that was done with evil intentions by mostly good individuals who would at any time helped all of you had you been in their path, how can fellow jews use a language saying they deserve to be locked up while those individuals would likely use their money to help all of you out had you been in trouble.
Remember! We talk so much about those arrested as if they've done a crime so horrible as Murder, these guys have done something that can for sure be fixed, they stole money for the gov.? Have return it with penalties + interest, had they killed someone? Then it would've been impossible to reverse.
Wake up people! Be proud of your fellow jews, Chasidim Litvish Sfardish All jews! The best of the goyim does not come close to the average jew! If you would like to proof it? Chazal teached us Odom Niker Bkoso Bkiso Bkaso, Humans behavior are easily identified by the way the eat, Deal, and Anger. Try to take away food from a goy or try to upset him and see what he does, he might hold open a door for you which a chasid will neglect to do so and you'll see who's better.
A jew that steals 10 million from the Gov is 100x better then a Law abiding texes red Neck, Scott Peterson Paid all his texes on-time and did not do any money laundrying and yet he killed his pregnant wife without mercy.
All of you self hating jews who are ashamed to be a jew because of those who were arrested I have one message to you "get lost"
”
Why are we putting ourselves down by something that was done with evil intentions by mostly good individuals who would at any time helped all of you had you been in their path, how can fellow jews use a language saying they deserve to be locked up while those individuals would likely use their money to help all of you out had you been in trouble.
BECAUSE IT WAS STOLEN MONEY
WOULD IT BE OK TO STEAL A LULAV GIVE IT TO A POOR PERSON BECAUSE HE COULD NOT AFFORD IT?
Remember! We talk so much about those arrested as if they've done a crime so horrible as Murder, these guys have done something that can for sure be fixed, THEY CAN NEVER FIX THE CHILUL HASHEM
they stole money for the gov.? Have return it with penalties + interest, had they killed someone? Then it would've been impossible to reverse.
A YID IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE HIS LIFE BEFORE MAKING A CHILUL HASHEM
Wake up people! Be proud of your fellow jews, Chasidim Litvish Sfardish All jews! The best of the goyim does not come close to the average jew!
THIS COMMENT IS THE GRIST OF THE WHOLE CHAREDI SOCIETY
If you would like to proof it? Chazal teached us Odom Niker Bkoso Bkiso Bkaso, Humans behavior are easily identified by the way the eat, Deal, and Anger.
Try to take away food from a goy or try to upset him and see what he does, he might hold open a door for you which a chasid will neglect to do so and you'll see who's better.
OBVIOUSLY THIS PERSON NEED HELP
A jew that steals 10 million from the Gov is 100x better then a Law abiding texes red Neck, Scott Peterson Paid all his texes on-time and did not do any money laundrying and yet he killed his pregnant wife without mercy.
HOW ABOUT THE CHASSID ACOUNTANT FROM SEAGATE/MIAMI BEACH THAT MURDERED HIS YOUNG WIFE... HE PAID HIS TAXES.
All of you self hating jews who are ashamed to be a jew because of those who were arrested I have one message to you "get lost"
IF YOU ARE NOT ASHAMED YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM,,,,,A BIG PART
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:42 AM Anonymous Says:
If you don't understand and see the ANTI SEMITISM in this case you are blind
Every case was entrapped - They piled all cases together - Entrapping a chief Rabbi at age 87 and arrest him in Shul
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Jul 27, 2009 at 11:18 AM Anonymous Says:
its not anti semitisem its anti religous a collobiration between israeli gov and f.b.i.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 11:29 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Since when is it anti-Semitic to arrest a Jew who commits a crime? I have no reason to believe that the FBI practiced any bigotry-- but I do suspect that certain rabbis in this story may have believed that they didn't have to follow "goyish" laws. So, who's the bigot, Mr. Kakun? ”
Not only rabbis, you have right here Millhouse preaching his version of the Torah
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Jul 27, 2009 at 11:38 AM Dawidh Says:
“ Once again, jews are wrongly using the anti - semitism card. It is a simple formula.. Steal, Lie, Cheat, Swindle, Abuse..and don't get caught. If you do, simply say it is anti - semitism.
How long will jews continue this stupidity? Even this idiot admits.. "Regardless of the details of the case - I am not familiar with the precise charges and the evidence"... He has a big mouth and does not know the details of the case.. yet he is quick to say it is anti - semitism. Just like the foolish 33 concert ban rabbis who did know the details of the case, yet brought down innocent people. May g-d strongly punish this idiot jews! ”
You idiot #102!!! It was mentioned that they were Jews because they weren't just normal Jews, these are Rabbis that are involved in the biggest corruption scandal in NJ's history!!! That's why it mentions such! This is NOT anti-semitism. These are religious leaders breaking the law in the most heinous form! Gee, what a light to the nations we've been. Is it no wonder the entire world hates us!!? ''But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They went backward and not forward. 25 From the time your forefathers left Egypt until now, DAY after DAY, again and AGAIN I sent you my servants the prophets. 26 But they did not listen to me or pay attention. They were stiff-necked and did more evil than their forefathers.' 27 "When you tell them all this, they will not listen to you; when you call to them, they will not answer.28 Therefore say to them, 'This is the nation that has not obeyed YHWH its God or responded to correction. Truth has perished; it has vanished from their lips.''
Jer 7:21-38
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Jul 27, 2009 at 12:35 PM TheW Says:
Effective immediately, I am purchasing my cereal in the BP grcoery Stores. Perhaps, I will win the jackpot box, that is, the one stuffed with 100 gemoras
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Jul 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM NonOrdained Says:
As an orthodox jew, I am disgusted with and tired of reading about "rabbis" being arrested. Therefore, I am calling upon all yeshivos to tighten their standards on doling out semichas. Handing out semichas today has become an assembly line operation with no regards to the candidate's ethics. What is more important when representing yourself as a rabbi is not the breadth and width of the Yoreh Deah you learned. It is whether you are a mentsch, an erliche yid, and a yid that knows how to conduct himself without running afoul of the law.
Yeshivos must clean up their act.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM Five Towns Resident Says:
Baloney. By hiding behind a ridiculous charge of anti-Semitism, these guys are lowering themselves to the level of Al Sharpton and other race hucksters and are making an even bigger Chilul Hashem in the process. It has truly been a tragic 9 Days.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 12:55 PM NonOrdained Says:
why are you simple minded people alwasy comparing us to sheiks and priests? WE, and I repeat, WE are the am hanivchar. The Rebbono shel olam wants that all nations of the world look up to us. Only then, will Moshiach come. Learning in yeshiva til 12 midnight will not bring Moshiach sooner.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 01:30 PM memyselfandi Says:
i agree 100%! these people were all set up!
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Jul 27, 2009 at 02:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ If you would know how many times Dweck treid to convins those rabbies to take those checks from him and after a couple of times bagging the feal'd bad and did it for him you wouldn't talk like this. Again nobody is treing to deny the crime but bring out the truth how they got into this. You stupid people. ”
there were many other rabbis that he went to and begged as well and they did not do it.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 02:47 PM haha Says:
“ its not anti semitisem its anti religous a collobiration between israeli gov and f.b.i. ”
I hope you're joking
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Jul 27, 2009 at 03:53 PM shmilku Says:
“ If you don't understand and see the ANTI SEMITISM in this case you are blind
Every case was entrapped - They piled all cases together - Entrapping a chief Rabbi at age 87 and arrest him in Shul ”
are you for real entraped you cant think stright you dont entrap anyone if he isnt a willing partner you fool get that through youre thick skull
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Jul 27, 2009 at 04:30 PM yakov Says:
“ Why can't chareidim ever take the blame like men when they do something wrong? No, it's always a conspiracy, always the press, always the zionists. ”
the community involved are strong supporters of Isreal.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 05:50 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Why are we putting ourselves down by something that was done with evil intentions by mostly good individuals who would at any time helped all of you had you been in their path, how can fellow jews use a language saying they deserve to be locked up while those individuals would likely use their money to help all of you out had you been in trouble.
Remember! We talk so much about those arrested as if they've done a crime so horrible as Murder, these guys have done something that can for sure be fixed, they stole money for the gov.? Have return it with penalties + interest, had they killed someone? Then it would've been impossible to reverse.
Wake up people! Be proud of your fellow jews, Chasidim Litvish Sfardish All jews! The best of the goyim does not come close to the average jew! If you would like to proof it? Chazal teached us Odom Niker Bkoso Bkiso Bkaso, Humans behavior are easily identified by the way the eat, Deal, and Anger. Try to take away food from a goy or try to upset him and see what he does, he might hold open a door for you which a chasid will neglect to do so and you'll see who's better.
A jew that steals 10 million from the Gov is 100x better then a Law abiding texes red Neck, Scott Peterson Paid all his texes on-time and did not do any money laundrying and yet he killed his pregnant wife without mercy.
All of you self hating jews who are ashamed to be a jew because of those who were arrested I have one message to you "get lost"
”
i know many law abiding and decent non-Jews. And yes they are better than a Jew who steals. We were given a wonderful Yerusha, the Torah, and if we spit on it, we are not better than the non Jews who are trying to live a decent life. Your attitude is destroying our community.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 06:06 PM Anonymous Says:
“ It's not like these guys were framed. They were doing illegal criminal acts. Do the crime, do the time. We should not use the anti-semite card when it is not kdai to do so. Like that Gates guy in Cambridge playing the race card last week only to get made a fool of. ”
That idiot Gates is just a tool of the same jewish mafia (ADL) in America that's trying to get this draconian hate bill passed in the senate. It already passed in the house. He as well as that jewish tool Obama are in concert together trying to make it appear as though we have some un-natural hate problem in the US. We have our issues but not enough to pass a hate bill that will make it a felony for a minister to say God doesn't approve of homosexuality. This is just a lead up to banning criticism of jews or the holocaust which is against the law in Canada, Germany, France, Australia and other places. The Holocaust museum shooting was another attempt to create this idea we need more hate law. It was a fake all together. The guard was shot by another guard.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 01:34 PM malach Says:
I just want to clarify, not repeat too much.
There are items that do not add up in this situation.
1)The amount of money was relatively small, so it was not so much about the amount as about the issue of money.
2)Sliding past US laws is unacceptable but maybe some of these rabbonim just did not know. It's not so much an excuse as a fact which they have to accept and learn from.
3)It is antisemitic to make Jews look worse than they are or a criminal conspiracy.
4)Dweck is really much more destructive to the Jewish rep than someone like Madoff who probably acted alone. We can see why the informer is such a horrifying character in Jewish tradition.
5)Haredim as all Jews must work within the laws of the countries in which they live. If they break a law, it must be for a really important reason. This goes double and more for rabbonim.
6)I still think this was broken open for political reasons and the Jews were deliberately targeted. Whoever thinks that the FBI is free from political influence does not understand American government. Obama does operate like the Kennedys--Caroline was right in this one thing--and B"H it will come back and bite him at some point.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 05:05 PM Shlomo BenZuna Says:
Cry me a river! Those who often cry anti-Semitic every time a group of this tribal cult commit their usual Parasitic crimes will surely face the same fate as that of the boy Sheppard who cried wolf!