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I wish i would have an answer to the following question:

Did the (pathetic and rotten) FBI give Dwek a list of names of whom to go after or did he just decide on his own???

It just doesn't make sense to me that he would try to entrap s/o like Rabbi Kassen and some of the others...

Does anybody have the answer??
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I wish i would have an answer to the following question:

Did the (pathetic and rotten) FBI give Dwek a list of names of whom to go after or did he just decide on his own???

It just doesn't make sense to me that he would try to entrap s/o like Rabbi Kassen and some of the others...

Does anybody have the answer??
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“ Shochad makes people blind and it works on everyone.

Alcoholic beverages make you drunk and it works on everyone alike.

If you were offered a drink or two and did not get intoxicated it does not prove that Alcohol is not intoxicating. It only proves that YOU DIDN'T DRINK ENOUGH yet, to get drunk.

Everyone has their breaking point and if you drink enough, everyone will get totally drunk and behave accordingly. The AMOUNT how much one needs to drink, before they are totally dead-drunk, varies, some need more and some need less alcohol.

Same is true with Shochad, everyone is corruptible and this fella who refused the $5,000 may not have refused if it was $5 Million or $5 Billion.

Everyone has their price. Some sell their Neshoma for just $1 and some would not be tempted unless offered 1 Million or 1 Billion.

That's why we all Daven every day "Al Tevienu Leyedey Nissoyon" and because no one can ever be sure if he will pass the test.

And when it comes to money it is not even a question but a guarantee that Hashochad Yeaver even einey Chachomim and TZADIKIM (real Tzadikim that Torah testifies that they are Tzadikim and Torah guarantees they will be "SOLD" out and blinded if they take Shochad. ”

“ I am convinced that they gave him a list, because the FBI are a bunch of jew hating bastards. ”

“ I'm sure this guy's a saint....probably didn't take the cash because he wanted a larger amount ”

“ Shochad makes people blind and it works on everyone.

Alcoholic beverages make you drunk and it works on everyone alike.

If you were offered a drink or two and did not get intoxicated it does not prove that Alcohol is not intoxicating. It only proves that YOU DIDN'T DRINK ENOUGH yet, to get drunk.

Everyone has their breaking point and if you drink enough, everyone will get totally drunk and behave accordingly. The AMOUNT how much one needs to drink, before they are totally dead-drunk, varies, some need more and some need less alcohol.

Same is true with Shochad, everyone is corruptible and this fella who refused the $5,000 may not have refused if it was $5 Million or $5 Billion.

Everyone has their price. Some sell their Neshoma for just $1 and some would not be tempted unless offered 1 Million or 1 Billion.

That's why we all Daven every day "Al Tevienu Leyedey Nissoyon" and because no one can ever be sure if he will pass the test.

And when it comes to money it is not even a question but a guarantee that Hashochad Yeaver even einey Chachomim and TZADIKIM (real Tzadikim that Torah testifies that they are Tzadikim and Torah guarantees they will be "SOLD" out and blinded if they take Shochad. ”

“ you are sick. You just cannot accept that a goy had more ethics than some Jews ”

“ "Shochad makes people blind and it works on everyone."..
No, obviously not! you hear every day popping out more and more politicians rabbis and plain people that this drek tried to persuade them into shady deals and THEY TURNED THIS DREK DOWN WITH HIS OFFERS.
After 2 years of running after people crying with crocodile tears to please save him and his 5 kids from starvation he managed to grab up a bundle for the feds.
but many many showed him their back. ”

“ A few points
1. The FBI is considered a world class investigative organization they don’t need to arrest a few rabbis to get recognition.
2. Usually they do go after someone if they have good reason to believe the person is involved in elicit activities.
3. The fact that they arrested Rabbis is news worthy, and if it was not slashed all over the news them what do you think the real anti-smites will say, that we control the media is noting new, but now they could say we control the FBI too, the news that Rabbis were arrested was suppressed.
4. Some of you claim that the FBI was actually planning the setup just to show that the Jews are guilty too. Well theses people had a chance to say no, and indeed it seems a few did thank Hashem, good for them, but the rest, sorry if the person is willing to help in illegal activities they should go to jail as long they had a fair trial.
5. Some of you are justifying with the excuse that CW begged for money to feed his family. Two points first in the affidavit if was reported the opposite, he claimed he is making this huge profits from the handbags knockoff business, making a profit/commission of a few hundred dollars a month that don’t sound like he was begging for food. Furthermore, even if is true that he needed money why didn’t they just help CH with food on the table, like any Jew suppose to do, when somebody ask for food.
6. As to the human organ trading some of you try to use the pikuach nefesh excuse, here you got me totally frustrated the alleged buyer was not even Jewish she is a FBI agent, guys get a grip on yourself.
7. Some excuses are, well the operation/ doctors cost money the defendant would have not made that much money, well just listen to yourself, this excuse sounds like this, well the bank robber only got a bag with $500.00 and a explosive red dye in the bag and by the way he needed the money for his old and frail mother, therefore we should give him a medal.

I could go on and on but that will not help us here, we need to stop always giving excuses for any Jew, no matter what he/she did, throwing rocks because of a parking lot, is ok, burning garbage bins because some woman was charged with child endangerment, is ok, use a constructed building without a court order, is ok, run around and play fireman without the prerequisite training is ok. It is high time that we really look at ourselves if we want to actually walk the walk, or just talk the talk.
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“ A few points
1. The FBI is considered a world class investigative organization they don’t need to arrest a few rabbis to get recognition.
2. Usually they do go after someone if they have good reason to believe the person is involved in elicit activities.
3. The fact that they arrested Rabbis is news worthy, and if it was not slashed all over the news them what do you think the real anti-smites will say, that we control the media is noting new, but now they could say we control the FBI too, the news that Rabbis were arrested was suppressed.
4. Some of you claim that the FBI was actually planning the setup just to show that the Jews are guilty too. Well theses people had a chance to say no, and indeed it seems a few did thank Hashem, good for them, but the rest, sorry if the person is willing to help in illegal activities they should go to jail as long they had a fair trial.
5. Some of you are justifying with the excuse that CW begged for money to feed his family. Two points first in the affidavit if was reported the opposite, he claimed he is making this huge profits from the handbags knockoff business, making a profit/commission of a few hundred dollars a month that don’t sound like he was begging for food. Furthermore, even if is true that he needed money why didn’t they just help CH with food on the table, like any Jew suppose to do, when somebody ask for food.
6. As to the human organ trading some of you try to use the pikuach nefesh excuse, here you got me totally frustrated the alleged buyer was not even Jewish she is a FBI agent, guys get a grip on yourself.
7. Some excuses are, well the operation/ doctors cost money the defendant would have not made that much money, well just listen to yourself, this excuse sounds like this, well the bank robber only got a bag with $500.00 and a explosive red dye in the bag and by the way he needed the money for his old and frail mother, therefore we should give him a medal.

I could go on and on but that will not help us here, we need to stop always giving excuses for any Jew, no matter what he/she did, throwing rocks because of a parking lot, is ok, burning garbage bins because some woman was charged with child endangerment, is ok, use a constructed building without a court order, is ok, run around and play fireman without the prerequisite training is ok. It is high time that we really look at ourselves if we want to actually walk the walk, or just talk the talk.
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“ I dont think he was working off a list because usually the Feds ask the informants to go Fishing for more crooks...The Feds dont know what is happening on 13th ave.or on Lee ave and of course not in Deal,NJ....The more fish he brings the better deal he gets... ”

“ you are sick. You just cannot accept that a goy had more ethics than some Jews ”

“ so sad that you and other posters can't just accept that this guy takeh didn't take the bribe while others,yidden RL apparently did,even if they had the best of intentions.we need to accept that we've got a problem and then we need to work on it instead of blaming everyone else.what we don't need is a bunch of jewish al sharptons. ”

“ so sad that you and other posters can't just accept that this guy takeh didn't take the bribe while others,yidden RL apparently did,even if they had the best of intentions.we need to accept that we've got a problem and then we need to work on it instead of blaming everyone else.what we don't need is a bunch of jewish al sharptons. ”

“ # 20 said:
5. Some of you are justifying with the excuse that CW begged for money to feed his family. Two points first in the affidavit if was reported the opposite, he claimed he is making this huge profits from the handbags knockoff business, making a profit/commission of a few hundred dollars a month that don’t sound like he was begging for food. Furthermore, even if is true that he needed money why did’t they just help CH with food on the table, like any Jew suppose to do, when somebody ask for food.

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Actually there is no contradiction. There were some who did it just to make money but others whom he sold a different story. He lied differently to different people, playing on their weakness. For example Rabbi Kasin, would have Rachmones on him, only on Erev Yom Kipur, after having refused him repeatedly before. ”

“ Thank you for your remarks. I did go back and read indictment of Rabbi Kasin, I think that there is a strong possibility that he did not understand what the bankruptcy story implication was and yes he might had in his mind that he needed to help a fellow Jew, and the main reasons why I think that it makes sense, he cashed every two months a check for $25,000 which is not a lot of money, if the tapes reflect only what is on the indictment he could be easily found not guilty. However, all the others he told them specifically about the handbags and bankruptcy in detail sorry no question about it. One thing you are right he played on there weakness, but do you know what their weakness was, Money. ”

“ i'll say it again, as much as we may think we know, we DO NOT know what really happened. hashem is the only judge, and for good reason - only he really knows!!! their weakness was money, do u think the rabbis bought themselves million dollar mansions, or private yachts? LOL! these ppl are tzaddikim - they gave their lives for the community. u have NO IDEA what their lives consist of. being a rav is not an easy job, how many calls they get a day for help. especially these days, with so many men losing their jobs who have a family to support! they are rabbis in my community and i know - they are ALWAYS there! this "money" that u seem so sure was their yetzer hara, did NOT buy them gucci shoes!!!!!
again, may HKB"H be a kinder judge to you this coming tishrei than you have been to these holy rabbanim! hashem yerachem! ”

“ I happen to know for a fact that when arresting these rabbis the FBI did so with a great deal of respect...each one was permitted to shower and change and even daven before the agents took them from their homes. The agents waited for oven an hour for some of them. They did not even put handcuffs on Rabbi Kassin out of respect for him. They had a job to do and they did it. You can't blame them for it. We all know who's fault it is.... ”

“ I am convinced that they gave him a list, because the FBI are a bunch of jew hating bastards. ”

“ They didn’t have to give him names. After seeing the “GLEE” in the entrapper’s eyes for having bagged a big fish, he knew exactly how, and with who to please his handlers.

I haven’t been by my computer since Friday, and tried to read as much comments written since then as possible. While many Tiereh Yidden are writing here with blood and angst, there are many rotten, disgusting Jews writing here too. I would love to believe that those “rotten Jews” are happenchance writers from the mid West, but my gut feeling is that we have “Rishoyim” among our midst, who are willing and able to do what Duek did.

The Mussar Haskel here is that we are “still” in Golus, and billions of eyes are watching us on every step we take. I know people who go to the extreme with punching out (the clock) when they go to the bathroom; on the other hand people (Jew and Gentile alike), sometimes go easy when it comes to “victimless” crimes and minimal tax evasion (like not paying taxes for the snow shovelers).

Barry Gray used to tell the story of someone approaching a woman and asking if she would cohabitate with him for a million dollars; she answers yes. Then he asks her, how about for a hundred dollars; she answers: “what do you think, I’m a whore”? He answers “THAT we know already – now we’re only negotiating the price”!

“Luring”, “baiting”, “tempting”, “framing”, “entrapping” people should be outlawed once and for all. The FBI is there to catch criminals - NOT MAKE THEM! ”

“ Askupehleh,
You said: "... I would love to believe that those “rotten Jews” are happenchance writers from the mid West ..."
Are you casting aspersions on Acheinu B'nei Midwest, or, are you saying that the midwestern posters are Areilim posing as B'nei Bris?
If it's the former, please read further, otherwise, please disregard the rest of this post.
Ignorance, xenophobia and Achzoriyus exist in all communities, even in our East Coast K'hilois Hakoidesh, unfortunately.

Please review some history ... why was the 2nd Beis Hamikdosh destroyed?
V'hameivin Yovin ”

“ No, you are an ungrateful bastard for thinking that. If it were not for the FBI, I might have been blown up by terrorists while praying at the Riverdale Jewish Center. You wouldn't have wanted that, would you?

Would you?

Yes, this *is* personal. I, an Orthodox Jew, may owe my life to the FBI. ”