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Deal, NJ - Rabbi Issac Dwek, the spiritual leader of the Sephardic Jewish community in the wealthy Monmouth County suburb of Deal, took to his pulpit on Saturday to cite the Talmudic Law of Moser that prohibits a Jew from informing on another Jew to a non-Jew.

CORRECTION TO THIS STORY HERE

Rabbi Dwek then renounced his son, Solomon Dwek, the failed real estate developer whose 2006 indictment on bank fraud charges motivated him to cooperate with federal prosecutors in a sting operation that led to the arrests of 44 individuals on Thursday.  The group included three mayors, two state legislators, a multitude of local officials, and several Rabbis. 

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As explained to PolitickerNJ.com, Rabbi Dwek will sit Shiva for Solomon Dwek, observing the Jewish custom of mourning for an immediate family member who has died.


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1

 Jul 27, 2009 at 04:58 PM Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 04:57 PM Oy Gevalt! Says:

Rabbi Dwek is a great man, and the Aibeshter should bless him with the continued strength to deal with this and any other problems that might arise. He single handedly, with the help of Hashem, built the city of Deal into a huge makom torah. Say what you want about the situation at large, but try not to talk about the Rav, he is truly a greatman, and I have heard many stories about his great deeds, and have witnessed some of them first hand! Shetizku leer'os binyon beis hamikdash eem mashiach tzidkeinu, BIMHEIRA biyameinu...AMEN!

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 04:58 PM Hasdei Hashem Says:

Kol HaKavod! At the end of the day, we have to be reminded that our Mesorah tells us that there is rignt and wrong, good and evil, and this Rasha's father is standing up for what's right. We can only imagine how heart-wrenching this must be for a father to do. But at the same time, he is honoring Hakodush Boruch Hu and all of us by fulfilling his communal obligation.

4

 Jul 27, 2009 at 04:53 PM Bob Says:

One day he will end up like Moshe Finkel from Monsey NY…………

5

 Jul 27, 2009 at 04:51 PM mendy Says:

wow , very strong thing to do 4 a father , i dont know if i can do that ,,,,,,,,,,hashem yreachaim

6

 Jul 27, 2009 at 04:47 PM Anonymous Says:

nebach! drek will burn in gehenom for all this!

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:03 PM dreck enemy Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

I totally disagree with you. Please think before posting.

8

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:03 PM Rabbi B. Says:

Kol Hakoved to Rabbi Issac Dwek! It most have been a very painful decision. But you did the right thing. Only HKB'H who knows whats on peoples hearts understands you. May he bless you with much nachas from the rest of your children and grandchildren. Be strong, I'm sure some good will come out of this.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:03 PM Menachem B. Says:

That's it? The Rav renounces his son? He says nothing about what a chillul hashem the people who were arrested have caused? Moser is the only Avayrah that was committed in the episode? Nothing else to renounce or denounce?

10

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:02 PM Anonymous Says:

This makes us sound like gangsters. Better to denounce him for entrapping people, and playing on their pity. But to say it is against our religion to inform on a Jew who commits a crime to a non Jewish government, will only bring more antisemitism.

11

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Dweck is 100% following the Torah.........

12

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Poor Rabbi, he is to be admired for doing the right thing, denouncing the low life career criminal that went around to prey on pious good hearted people to entrap them, despite for him being the rabbi's son.

13

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:01 PM formally Says:

I wonder, if the rabbinin are convicted or others who have been convicted of serious crime did their parents sit shiva for them. did any of the parents of the serial child molesters sit shiva for their children and disown them, I do not think so

I do live in a upside down world

14

 Jul 27, 2009 at 04:59 PM Hashem Yerachem... Says:

How sad! Sad for him, his entire family, and for Klal Yisroel
Hamokem yenachem oso b'toch shar avelil Tzion v'Yerushalayim.

15

 Jul 27, 2009 at 04:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Wow. How could such drek come from such a right tree?

16

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:10 PM Dan Daoust Says:

Couldn't help but notice that the fraud charges in May 2006 didn't exactly cause Rabbi Dwek to sit shiva.

17

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Dwek follows in the footsteps of Adam, Noach, Abraham, Isaac, Moshe, Dovid HaMelech and Shlomo HaMelech. All had sons who have gone off the derech.. Our religion believes in bechira - free choice and some times children will make wrong, incorrect decisions.. Some of us have it too, with children who have been mechalel shabbos, do pot, drink and smoke..

Rabbi Dwek, we all feel for you and your pain..

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

not enough we should davin that he should die so that his family members, his friends,his rabonim are waiting to go to trial wont have to here him testify against them

19

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:13 PM I was there Says:

He didn't say that, but he was crying like a baby in front of a 1,000 people. He almost couldn't talk.

20

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:12 PM Anonymous Says:

the torah says a moiser has no olam haba,a rapist,murderer,child molester does have olam haba.if you dont like the torah,get yourself another religion,like dweck.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

learn a little halacha before you start blogging on frum sites

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

what he has done the worst chilul hashem in history of the jewish people he whent to family and friends and not only was moser on them but set them up to take a fall if you have rachmoniss on an idiot like that then you have lost your sense of rachmoniss

23

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

nebach! drek will burn in gehenom for all this!

does anyone know the halocha were it says that parenys of a moser should sit shiva

24

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

minhag yisrael torah

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:04 PM Daas Torah Listener Says:

sitting shiva is just as "medieval" and "barbaric" as wearing tefillin and as keeping shabbos. And I am confident that Rabbi Dweck knows a little more than some anonymous poster on voizneias.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:38 PM Akivah H Says:

My rav gave a speech this week and this is what he said : Raboisa there is a big confusion in our community regarding " Pidyon Shvuom" What we are hearing recently with achinu bais yisroel being arrested is really " Pidyon Ganovim" Pidyon shevuom was always known as a situation where a jew was kidnapped by goim for his sin of being a jew for the Ransom. thats what the gemora and shilchun orich translates as being "pidyon shevuom" A person who commits a crime is not pidyon shuvuom .if you want to help him ,thats fine but dont call it pidyon shvuom call it "PIDYON GANOVIM"

27

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:38 PM Anonymous Says:

There are those who were in attendance on Saturday who refute this account of what Rabbi Dweck said and claim that he did not at all say that he will sit Shiva for his son.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:37 PM can't comprehend Says:

does any one know if the muser was humiliated, betrayed or otherwise hurt by his own family or community to enrage him like that?. its incomprehensible for someone to do this unless he was out for revenge of something. there's got to be something going on it makes no sense.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Bob Says:

One day he will end up like Moshe Finkel from Monsey NY…………

What,

Remarried to rich women living it up?
Rumors of his demise are false. I verified with a family member.

30

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
I was there Says:

He didn't say that, but he was crying like a baby in front of a 1,000 people. He almost couldn't talk.

I feel very sorry for the parents. It's such a heartbreak. What about the wife & children of Mr. Dwek?

31

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Dan Daoust Says:

Couldn't help but notice that the fraud charges in May 2006 didn't exactly cause Rabbi Dwek to sit shiva.

Nothing comes to mesirah, and what kind of mesirah, baiting and preying on good peoples emotions, only to ruin them and have them arrested.

32

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:32 PM Bist a groyser ferd Says:

Reply to #9  
Menachem B. Says:

That's it? The Rav renounces his son? He says nothing about what a chillul hashem the people who were arrested have caused? Moser is the only Avayrah that was committed in the episode? Nothing else to renounce or denounce?

Mark twain is alleged to have said "Id rather keep my mouth shut and have people think I'm a fool, than open it and have their suspicions confirmed "

33

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Menachem B. Says:

That's it? The Rav renounces his son? He says nothing about what a chillul hashem the people who were arrested have caused? Moser is the only Avayrah that was committed in the episode? Nothing else to renounce or denounce?

Yes sir! according to the torah mesirah is one of the worst aveiros!, worse than cashing a check for a crooked trapman.

34

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:29 PM mikesdinette Says:

The Shulchan Aruch & the Ramah were both authored by "mideval" authors; and by their words we live every aspect of our lives...See Y.D. 334 & C.M. 388;

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:29 PM Anonymous Says:

#1 is an APIKORES! Moshe Kibel Tora MISINAI, how mediavel R'L!

BTW, SD commited fraud to the tune of $50 million willingly, thoughtfully, premeditated, calculatingly and with malice and he is OUR Governements hero but these poor arrested people who combined were caught with around 3 Million being entrapped they are the Criminals, Thieves, Fraudsters and Swindlers!

Is this where our Justice system is headed in OBAMALAND?

36

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:28 PM Anonymous Says:

What happens if he will not testify will the fed have a case? If not he could do tshuve and stop co-aperating

37

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:27 PM Anonymous Says:

What happens if he will not testify will the fed have a case? If not he could do tshuve and stop co-aperating

38

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:27 PM Wiseman Says:

Reply to #9  
Menachem B. Says:

That's it? The Rav renounces his son? He says nothing about what a chillul hashem the people who were arrested have caused? Moser is the only Avayrah that was committed in the episode? Nothing else to renounce or denounce?

Were you there?? Did you hear the ENTIRE speech?? Don't you think that to do what he did took the strength of a lion? A true Pillar of Hashem's Torah. May he be blessed with life, happieness, health and wealth.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:26 PM Sha Shtill Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

the torah says a moiser has no olam haba,a rapist,murderer,child molester does have olam haba.if you dont like the torah,get yourself another religion,like dweck.

Isn't there ANYTHING that doesn't need to be posted on a blog?
Once in a while, a taanis dibur is in order for the benefit of Klal Yisroel.
even for bloggers.

Please don't post halachos out of context.
Would anyone sit shiva if there child embarassed somebody?
We don't pasken straight out of a gemora.

May G-d have mercy on all of us.

40

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:23 PM Wiseman Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

does anyone know the halocha were it says that parenys of a moser should sit shiva

Try the Shulchan Aruch or Rambam

41

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

Sounds like he is quoting Shakesphere not the Shulchan Oorich.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

This makes us sound like gangsters. Better to denounce him for entrapping people, and playing on their pity. But to say it is against our religion to inform on a Jew who commits a crime to a non Jewish government, will only bring more antisemitism.

I agree and unfortunately this was publicized but we all knew this was going to be done and that what Drek did was against the Torah. Bless his father for doing what was correct according to the Torah!

43

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Oy Gevalt! Says:

Rabbi Dwek is a great man, and the Aibeshter should bless him with the continued strength to deal with this and any other problems that might arise. He single handedly, with the help of Hashem, built the city of Deal into a huge makom torah. Say what you want about the situation at large, but try not to talk about the Rav, he is truly a greatman, and I have heard many stories about his great deeds, and have witnessed some of them first hand! Shetizku leer'os binyon beis hamikdash eem mashiach tzidkeinu, BIMHEIRA biyameinu...AMEN!

you are nuts! 3 yrs ago was the time to denouce his son! now is to late! if "RaBUY Dwek" did this then we wouldnt have witness the disgrace this past thursday, If RaBUY Dwek was truly a good man he would have sold one of his many houses to pay the people his son stole from! that is the most painful thing to relize while reading the indictments not one of these rabbis had the ethics to say " Shlomo you have some money pay back the people you stole from" and when i say people i mean not just the banks and non-jews but his fellow jews who trusted him because he came with the RaBUY Dwek JSOR seal of approval

44

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:22 PM The Truth Says:

Reply to #9  
Menachem B. Says:

That's it? The Rav renounces his son? He says nothing about what a chillul hashem the people who were arrested have caused? Moser is the only Avayrah that was committed in the episode? Nothing else to renounce or denounce?

NO nothing else to denounce at least for now.. We r not sure a crime was committed... Just becuse the FBI said so.. We need the evidence. There r only 3)things that is sure and pure 1)solomon was the informer... 2) ppl were falling for his mercy plea. 3)the salmon was askiing for mercy.. NO WE DON'T TRUST THE FBI just becuse they said... Remember this is after all a curupt country.

45

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:22 PM dreck enemy Says:

Does anyone know where Solomon Dreck is hiding out?

46

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:22 PM jj Says:

i condemn the kidney rabbi more than solomon dwek

47

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Imagine if the media takes notice that Rabbi Dwek sat shiva for his son the cooperating witness, but not for his son the scam artist. It'll be almost as big a Chillul Hashem as the original scandal in the first place.

48

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:19 PM Yossi Says:

I am a member of Chevra Kedishe and would love th have this case and bury him...

49

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Poor Rabbi, he is to be admired for doing the right thing, denouncing the low life career criminal that went around to prey on pious good hearted people to entrap them, despite for him being the rabbi's son.

Poor choice of words "pious" and "good-hearted". I would not use those words to describe money-launderers and people who call "money" in their sick code-language "gemoros". The Rabbis implicated in this case desecrated our holy seforim and our holy way of life by their incredible acts of chutzpa and brazen criminality.

50

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:18 PM sitting shiva Says:

Where Dreck's parents and family sitting shiva? whats the adress?

51

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:17 PM AHRON Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

The Torah and the Shulchan Aruch are not medieval. Just because you do not understand it does not make it barbaric. At first glance it seems that it is barbaric that if someone carries sticks in a rh"r he should be stoned or if a 1 year old kid is from the nation of Amalek and he did not do anything wrong he still deserves to die.

52

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Avigdor Miller zal said in his seforim that the cemetaries are full of children who died because of their parents' indulgences. If Rabbi Dweck had been a better father and patched him as a child the first time he lied or cheated or stole, perhaps Solomon would have turned into a more admirable person. But Rabbi Dweck coddled and spoiled the child until he grew up and became a monster and deposited a fraudulent check for $25million, which Uncle Sam then utilized like Mr. Clean to clean up the dirty State of New Jersey. There is no excuse for shul rabbis and yeshiva rabbis to accepted dirty money! Solomon Dweck is not the "cause" of the community's problem, he is the "exposer" of the problems. Sitting shiva for Solomon will not make the dirt go away; taking responsibility is the first step in changing everyone's behavior.

53

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:15 PM Rabbi Dwek, U the man! Says:

Reply to #9  
Menachem B. Says:

That's it? The Rav renounces his son? He says nothing about what a chillul hashem the people who were arrested have caused? Moser is the only Avayrah that was committed in the episode? Nothing else to renounce or denounce?

Menachem B., get a life!
Why can't you give credit when credit is due? He is a great rabbi, and kol hakavod Rabbi Isaac Dwek! May G-d continue to give The Rabbi the strength he needs to make it through this terrible ordeal, and be able to forgive the obnoxious people like you!

54

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #38  
Wiseman Says:

Were you there?? Did you hear the ENTIRE speech?? Don't you think that to do what he did took the strength of a lion? A true Pillar of Hashem's Torah. May he be blessed with life, happieness, health and wealth.

are you off your mind?! I really hope you are joking! you can go bren in gehenom together with DREK!!!

55

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:47 PM moshe g Says:

Just out curiosity where is he sitting Shiva????
if Rabbi Shlomo Eiger sat shiva on his son Reb Leibel Eiger for becoming a chossid the don't you think that Rabbi Dewek has the right to sit Shiva!!

56

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:47 PM Rav Meilech Says:

It´s a sad moment for Klal Yisrael. If I were in the US I´d pay Rav Dwek a shivah call.
He´s doing exactly what he should be doing!

57

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Akivah H Says:

My rav gave a speech this week and this is what he said : Raboisa there is a big confusion in our community regarding " Pidyon Shvuom" What we are hearing recently with achinu bais yisroel being arrested is really " Pidyon Ganovim" Pidyon shevuom was always known as a situation where a jew was kidnapped by goim for his sin of being a jew for the Ransom. thats what the gemora and shilchun orich translates as being "pidyon shevuom" A person who commits a crime is not pidyon shuvuom .if you want to help him ,thats fine but dont call it pidyon shvuom call it "PIDYON GANOVIM"

Who is the rav that gave this speech and which shul? I can't wait until the Feds find something about him that isn't squeaky clean!

58

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:43 PM daas tora Says:

Reply to #9  
Menachem B. Says:

That's it? The Rav renounces his son? He says nothing about what a chillul hashem the people who were arrested have caused? Moser is the only Avayrah that was committed in the episode? Nothing else to renounce or denounce?

the others did not do an "aveira". they just broke the secular law. In Canada they would merely have to pay a minor fine and be able to pay the fine in monthly installments. but this Dweck did an aveira against God.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:42 PM Yamamai Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

He will really need a Nechama

60

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:41 PM Yamamai Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

Well, in the times if the bais Hamikdosh, a parent would have to bring their own son to beis dis for skila etc.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:39 PM sy Says:

Does anyone know exactly what the rabbi said?

62

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:23 PM Wiseman Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

Am Ha'Aretz Gamur!!!!!! That's the Halacha Stupid!!!!!! Maybe shabbos Observance is also "Medieval" and "Barbaric" Maybe you should sit down and learn Shulchan Aruch or Rambam. Or are they too, Barbaric and Medieval.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:19 PM Whatever Says:

Please remember that it's an hallacha to sit shiva if your son is a musser. No such Halacha for chile molesters and other crimes. The rabbi is simply following the Torah by sitting shiva.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:14 PM srgnmb Says:

wou;d like to know what happen to his wife and kids? did he give her a get? think of what the kids must be going through. does anyone know his wife madian name? did she know anything or is she in the clear? who's the lawyer if they found someone?

65

 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:52 PM Anonymous Says:

We ought the sit shiva for the kidney-selling dude. Solomon Dweck did a mitzvah by getting that crazed lunatic off the streets.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:51 PM Anonymous Says:

What happens if the son does teshuvah? I understand he can't take back the problems he's caused for others, but he can still do teshuvah... as long as he is breathing, of course.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:51 PM I agree Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

not enough we should davin that he should die so that his family members, his friends,his rabonim are waiting to go to trial wont have to here him testify against them

When Mosser suddenly dies a Misa Meshuna it is very big Kidush Hashem and ensures that no other Reshaim Will dare follow his ways.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:51 PM Syig L'chochma Shtika Says:

Reply to #46  
jj Says:

i condemn the kidney rabbi more than solomon dwek

You're out of your mind.

The kidney guy (not a rabbi) has/had a Taava for money (with no gvul)

Dwek has a taava to be a Rasha.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:50 PM j Says:

Reply to #37  
Anonymous Says:

What happens if he will not testify will the fed have a case? If not he could do tshuve and stop co-aperating

ther are recordings

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Akivah H Says:

My rav gave a speech this week and this is what he said : Raboisa there is a big confusion in our community regarding " Pidyon Shvuom" What we are hearing recently with achinu bais yisroel being arrested is really " Pidyon Ganovim" Pidyon shevuom was always known as a situation where a jew was kidnapped by goim for his sin of being a jew for the Ransom. thats what the gemora and shilchun orich translates as being "pidyon shevuom" A person who commits a crime is not pidyon shuvuom .if you want to help him ,thats fine but dont call it pidyon shvuom call it "PIDYON GANOVIM"

tell your rabbi to go back to school !!!! and learn halacha before he preaches

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:00 PM dan lecav zechus Says:

recordings dont count al pee torah whats the matter with all of you

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:59 PM dan lecav zechus Says:

do we have 2 kosher eidem saying he did it? did he have hasrua, even if he admidit it
ein audom meisem atsmo rushu, so how do u have the chutzpah to acuse a man in this manner?

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:58 PM j Says:

Reply to #26  
Akivah H Says:

My rav gave a speech this week and this is what he said : Raboisa there is a big confusion in our community regarding " Pidyon Shvuom" What we are hearing recently with achinu bais yisroel being arrested is really " Pidyon Ganovim" Pidyon shevuom was always known as a situation where a jew was kidnapped by goim for his sin of being a jew for the Ransom. thats what the gemora and shilchun orich translates as being "pidyon shevuom" A person who commits a crime is not pidyon shuvuom .if you want to help him ,thats fine but dont call it pidyon shvuom call it "PIDYON GANOVIM"

this is not about pidyon shevuom or pidyon ganovim it is about a real muser and there is real halochos about these kinfd of popple a muser is a muser sorry

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:58 PM skazm Says:

"He's dead to me." How frikkin' Jersey.

On a serious note, my heart goes out to Rabbi Dweck, he put everything into raising a son who became truly evil, and may the rest of his children give him nachas.

Poor guy.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Oyyyyy! Just wondering is misaskim going 2 the dwek house in deal?

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:56 PM j Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

I feel very sorry for the parents. It's such a heartbreak. What about the wife & children of Mr. Dwek?

fyi accourding the the halacha we are not alowed to daven w him, he can not be a part of a minyen for the tenth , and if he walks in in a shull you need to scream and scream and scream on him till he walks pout from that shull ... we are not allowed to daven w him under one roof he jas a den of a muser lechul hadayes

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Dan Daoust Says:

Couldn't help but notice that the fraud charges in May 2006 didn't exactly cause Rabbi Dwek to sit shiva.

you like to kick people when they are down? solomomn dweck is a grown man who has made his own bed. The dwecK family is innoccent and should only have our rachmonus and may we have only simcha by our children

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 05:54 PM Barney Says:

Reply to #26  
Akivah H Says:

My rav gave a speech this week and this is what he said : Raboisa there is a big confusion in our community regarding " Pidyon Shvuom" What we are hearing recently with achinu bais yisroel being arrested is really " Pidyon Ganovim" Pidyon shevuom was always known as a situation where a jew was kidnapped by goim for his sin of being a jew for the Ransom. thats what the gemora and shilchun orich translates as being "pidyon shevuom" A person who commits a crime is not pidyon shuvuom .if you want to help him ,thats fine but dont call it pidyon shvuom call it "PIDYON GANOVIM"

Your Rav is an am haaretz. If you will look in Maimonidies , you will see Pidyon shvuim applies to thieves as well.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:03 PM j Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

he is a deeen of yotsa minhaklal yisreal and there are halochos about this please read the gemara rush hashansa daf 17 umed alef
and you will see for your self he dare these stuff is

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:03 PM Dov Says:

This Dreck made a REAL DRECK . The chofets chaim once told crying relatives of a ganov that was harshly sentenced . He said rachmonis on a ganov that was sentenced is abit to late,Crying should have been done that the ganiva should not happen. We should cry that we should not have ganovim. I feel for Rabbi Dweck but when he stole $300 million from his own syrian people i didnt hear such cries.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:02 PM dan lecav zechus Says:

and how do u know the pressure he was under AL TUDEN ES CHAVERCHU AD SHETAGEAH LIMKOMO

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:02 PM A Political Move to save his own Backside Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

not enough we should davin that he should die so that his family members, his friends,his rabonim are waiting to go to trial wont have to here him testify against them

How hard is it to figure it out?

When Mr. Drek has hurt so deeply, the highest and most respected of the Syrian and Sephardic Jews, that the entire Drek family will be hated and shunned forever by all Syrians and by all Sephardim.

If his father did not denounce him and DISOWN HIM (by making the spectacular "SHOW" of "Shiva"), then there is no chance at all, that the Fathers career, would not be over and that the father would also be thrown out of town with Bizyonos.

The father did it for his own survival, to thwart off retribution against himself and to "wash his hands clean".

I wouldn't be surprised if his father knew all along but remained quite because if not, I would not put it beyond Mr Drek to try to entrap his own father (unless his father already knew and so could not be entrapped).

Everyone knows the famous saying that "An Apple Does Not Fall Far From The Tree".

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:05 PM j Says:

Reply to #33  
Anonymous Says:

Yes sir! according to the torah mesirah is one of the worst aveiros!, worse than cashing a check for a crooked trapman.

plrease read the rash hashana gemure daf 17

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:05 PM RebRambo Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

It is the law, no-brainer

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:04 PM j Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

minhag yisrael torah

it is not a minhag it is a deen

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:13 PM Loshon Hora Says:

Reb Yitchock Verayoso,
Hamokom Yinochem eschem Bsoch shar aveilei tzion veyrushalayim.
At least the Rabbi condems the mesira & entrapment, & sees it as a Kamza UBra Kamza bllood libel on Klal Yisroel, not like all the self hating Jews, calling Rabbis names. An ansector of mine was in Jail & death row for a blood libel[he got off] the story with the matzos etc. You people would also be saying he did it for the Matzos.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:12 PM dan lecav zechus Says:

i cant belive how evreybody forgot about the pusuk LIFNEI EYVER LO SETAYN MICHSHOL, why not, let the other guy be omed binisuyen, ELU MAI a person cant be omed binisuyon so easly, what kind of right does the FBI HAVE TO ENTRAP SO MANY YIDIN, this is ANTISEMETISIM IN ITS GREATEST FORM, lets not forget by world war 2 when they started to arrest local rabbies and politicins, they also accused them of breaking the law, HASHEM YISMIREINO, this should end here and go no further.
bbeas goal bimheyro biyomeinu

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:12 PM Monsey Men Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

What,

Remarried to rich women living it up?
Rumors of his demise are false. I verified with a family member.

That's news to us.

If it's true that is great! He deserves it for having to put up with his machshaifa ex-wife, and the abuse he got from his shver and shvuggers.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:10 PM j Says:

Reply to #13  
formally Says:

I wonder, if the rabbinin are convicted or others who have been convicted of serious crime did their parents sit shiva for them. did any of the parents of the serial child molesters sit shiva for their children and disown them, I do not think so

I do live in a upside down world

no you are wrong this is much worse he wnats to clean him self by the fbi so he shoud be able to get off his case this accourding to the halcha this is a muse and this is worse then chilel shaboss and other avaoros

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:09 PM GROYSER CHACHAM Says:

Reply to #9  
Menachem B. Says:

That's it? The Rav renounces his son? He says nothing about what a chillul hashem the people who were arrested have caused? Moser is the only Avayrah that was committed in the episode? Nothing else to renounce or denounce?

You are the one causing CHILUL HASHEM. You are only busy with denouncing people that were not convicted of nothing more than words of a ROSHO, A MOSER that is trying to save himself by destroying hundreds of people. You seem to be a big tzadik. Never did any wrong in your life. Keep up renouncing and denouncing our GADOLAY YISROEL. There will come a day where you will need there TEFFILAS. Yes , Moser is the only Avayrah committed in this episode. You love to see a PIRUD IN KLAL YISROEL. Our American system says INESENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY. The only PROVEN GUILTY ones are you and the MOSER. You can do TESHUVA, But the MOSER cannot.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:09 PM Anonymous Says:

agree with #16......nu anyone have a response.....

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:08 PM Let's check if it's really true Says:

Reply to #50  
sitting shiva Says:

Where Dreck's parents and family sitting shiva? whats the adress?

Don't we all want to be MENACHEM AVEL this big "TZADIK"?

We need his address where he is sitting Shiva to be Menachem Avel, don't we?

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:07 PM j Says:

Reply to #25  
Daas Torah Listener Says:

sitting shiva is just as "medieval" and "barbaric" as wearing tefillin and as keeping shabbos. And I am confident that Rabbi Dweck knows a little more than some anonymous poster on voizneias.

no, you are wrong he has a din of a yotso miklal yisrel
please read the gamar of rash hashan daf 17

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #82  
A Political Move to save his own Backside Says:

How hard is it to figure it out?

When Mr. Drek has hurt so deeply, the highest and most respected of the Syrian and Sephardic Jews, that the entire Drek family will be hated and shunned forever by all Syrians and by all Sephardim.

If his father did not denounce him and DISOWN HIM (by making the spectacular "SHOW" of "Shiva"), then there is no chance at all, that the Fathers career, would not be over and that the father would also be thrown out of town with Bizyonos.

The father did it for his own survival, to thwart off retribution against himself and to "wash his hands clean".

I wouldn't be surprised if his father knew all along but remained quite because if not, I would not put it beyond Mr Drek to try to entrap his own father (unless his father already knew and so could not be entrapped).

Everyone knows the famous saying that "An Apple Does Not Fall Far From The Tree".

Just think what your comment says about your parents.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:15 PM Anonymous Says:

enough with all this kitrug for goodness sake

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #91  
Anonymous Says:

agree with #16......nu anyone have a response.....

please see #77 what does it have to do with anything we should never know of such tzaros I can tell you this much i am sure that he was terribly embarrassed at the time. There was no statement neccessary i am sure we all knew how he felt and feels now

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:37 PM Steve Says:

Reply to #91  
Anonymous Says:

agree with #16......nu anyone have a response.....

Wow it funny how yiddishe people here are realy thinking that Dina D'malcusa Dina is like being a Mosar, bunch of Pinheads, your parants should of givin in to the NATZIS at WWII, that was the rule of law in that country they should be expeled from judisim for not obaying Dina Dmalchisa.

please get your mind straight, a jew cannot be found guilty EVER by a secular court period neither can thay be called crooks criminals,
and you lawfull citizens when you will bleed to dead please be sure to obbay the traffic polices directions b/c Dina demalcusa, make sure to die on kidush hashem,
can you pinpoint me exectly whene this Mitzvah was created? And remember next time someone tips you with 10 bucks, your father should sit Shiva on you for violating Dina demalchusa,
Yes we are jews and we take pride in helping other jews even when we risk Jail, that what we always did, all you bunch of heartless people who only care that the hearthbroken father should back his crook son for his shamefull acts, you should know that no one will be to your help at time of need, B'midah Sh'Adam Modedd - Modeddin Loy,

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:37 PM cool masmid Says:

Reply to #19  
I was there Says:

He didn't say that, but he was crying like a baby in front of a 1,000 people. He almost couldn't talk.

You brought me to tears..... I wonder if there is anything more painful for a father than to have to go through this. I want to ask the oilam if they agree that maybe we should all stop to use the word 'Dreck' while I'm sure the family understands the anger that's out there towards him, but I somehow think using and then condemning him with his last name causes the parents and family additional pain. I wonder who would agree with me that we refrain from using the word 'Dreck'.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:36 PM Anonymous Says:

The rabbi should be encouraged not to sit shiva - he is probably deeply ashamed for his son, but he shouldn't have to sit shiva for him - even his son has enough tzoras now to not need this extra.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:33 PM NOT WORTHY Says:

Reply to #91  
Anonymous Says:

agree with #16......nu anyone have a response.....

PIDYAN SHVUYIM is a MITZVA for all Jews, even the guilt ones. A MOSAR is discommunicated from KLAL YSROEL and cant have a KAPARAH. His parents will be AVAYLIM for this ROSHA for the rest of their life.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:33 PM A Pushita Yid Says:

Reply to #13  
formally Says:

I wonder, if the rabbinin are convicted or others who have been convicted of serious crime did their parents sit shiva for them. did any of the parents of the serial child molesters sit shiva for their children and disown them, I do not think so

I do live in a upside down world

Not for every aveira does one sit shiva, not even for some very horrible ones. How many aveiros does it say on "it's a mitzva to KILL HIM on YOM KIPPUR"?

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #91  
Anonymous Says:

agree with #16......nu anyone have a response.....

I do not understand your question Rabbi dweck does not owe anyone anything, if you know him obviously he does not agree with the ways of his son. Halachically there is also a difference to how a moser is viewed. Unfortunately many people are arrested for various monetary crimes you do not see parents of those people making public statements assuming the parents are normal you assume they do not agree with their children when they commit a crime. They are ashamed enough as it is there is no reason for them to have more aggravation. Only simchas

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Menachem B. Says:

That's it? The Rav renounces his son? He says nothing about what a chillul hashem the people who were arrested have caused? Moser is the only Avayrah that was committed in the episode? Nothing else to renounce or denounce?

You are such a pain in the neck...... Bythwy the biggest chilul hashem I'd between yiden NOT FOR GOIYIM if a jew acts like this this is the worst chilul hashem and yes the rabbi expressed very well against the chilul hashem by doing what he did

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:28 PM cool masmid Says:

Reply to #9  
Menachem B. Says:

That's it? The Rav renounces his son? He says nothing about what a chillul hashem the people who were arrested have caused? Moser is the only Avayrah that was committed in the episode? Nothing else to renounce or denounce?

You're a heartless soul..... I promise its you and the likes that are holding back Mosiach and the cause of all our tzoros. How do you know what else he may have said,also maybe unlike you he is presuming them to be innocent until proven otherwise.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:27 PM A Pushita Yid Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

To the torah, BEING MOSER is barbaric. This father is cleaning up his son's mess. His kidush Hashem is lessening (as much as is shayech for him) his betraying son's chilul Hashem. I applaud R' Dwek. As much as all of us can easily say we wouldn't be moser, it's another thing to display such g'viros.
May Hashem compensate with nachas ten-fold. As we say to klal yisroel at the end of this week, we say to the Dwek Family: Nachamu, nachamu!

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:25 PM Let's check if it's really true Says:

Reply to #69  
j Says:

ther are recordings

If he dies by the hand of G-d before the trial he can't be cross examined and so the tapes can still be used but it severely weakens the case especially because:

1) Words alone are not enough because it often depends on facial expressions and demeanor that only a live person who is cross examined can assure.

2) There may be other factors which can undo the words but only if cross examination is possible.

3) Most often these tapes are barely audible and so the wording can be challenged and subject to interpretation, unless someone is there who can be cross examined.

If he struck by Lightning it will be big Yeshua but if he only says he "did teshuva" and refuses to testify, it will not look credible and will not solve any problems.

Besides he is Meshuchad because his life depends on it, AFTER a person is already Meshuchad you can't trust him for anything even if he was a real Tzadik, al achas kama vekama such a big Rasha.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #90  
GROYSER CHACHAM Says:

You are the one causing CHILUL HASHEM. You are only busy with denouncing people that were not convicted of nothing more than words of a ROSHO, A MOSER that is trying to save himself by destroying hundreds of people. You seem to be a big tzadik. Never did any wrong in your life. Keep up renouncing and denouncing our GADOLAY YISROEL. There will come a day where you will need there TEFFILAS. Yes , Moser is the only Avayrah committed in this episode. You love to see a PIRUD IN KLAL YISROEL. Our American system says INESENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY. The only PROVEN GUILTY ones are you and the MOSER. You can do TESHUVA, But the MOSER cannot.

"Keep up renouncing and denouncing our GADOLAY YISROEL"

These rabbis who are alleged to have comitted felonies are NOT GADDOLIM...they have violated the law, but worse, they have put all yidden at risk by validating all the worst antisemitic stereotypes. At some point it will become clear that we have real gadolim with real midos. These 5 rabbonim are NOT among them.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:24 PM Torah demands punishment for crooks! Says:

Our holy Torah is for truth and following the law.

Those people who twist concepts such as 'pidyon shvuyim' and 'mesirah' to cover up for and aid and abet criminal activities are guilty of a great sin, of making a grotesque carricature of our faith, and have a big punishment awaiting them.

The earlier poster is right, our Torah demands to PUNISH crooks, not to protect and help them. Enough of this stupidity already! Don't try to cover up up corruption with our holy faith and some Jewish words. The community should spit out such people.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

Imagine if the media takes notice that Rabbi Dwek sat shiva for his son the cooperating witness, but not for his son the scam artist. It'll be almost as big a Chillul Hashem as the original scandal in the first place.

Wow, wonder how many bloggers appreciate the depth of this comment, I do...........

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:45 PM mindy cohen Says:

Reply to #65  
Anonymous Says:

We ought the sit shiva for the kidney-selling dude. Solomon Dweck did a mitzvah by getting that crazed lunatic off the streets.

You fool my brother needed a kidney and was put on the list but as we all know its a waste of time however this tzadik got us one in a matter of weeks (and yes we were willing to pay anything for it)

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:44 PM chris Says:

Reply to #26  
Akivah H Says:

My rav gave a speech this week and this is what he said : Raboisa there is a big confusion in our community regarding " Pidyon Shvuom" What we are hearing recently with achinu bais yisroel being arrested is really " Pidyon Ganovim" Pidyon shevuom was always known as a situation where a jew was kidnapped by goim for his sin of being a jew for the Ransom. thats what the gemora and shilchun orich translates as being "pidyon shevuom" A person who commits a crime is not pidyon shuvuom .if you want to help him ,thats fine but dont call it pidyon shvuom call it "PIDYON GANOVIM"

(To #26) tell your rabbi to look into facts before opening his mouth! A lot of these people were being pulled into this by Drek! And of course there a mitzvah of pityon shvuyim.
And I believe that the one who talk like this does not have a clean plate either.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:43 PM cub fan Says:

are you all saying that the father had no idea that his son had turned and was helping the government? i find that hard to believe, i do not know the father and truthfully had never heard of him until now, but if he is what you are all writing about him did he not try to help or show an interest in his son's well being? or was his son that big of an SOB? regardless this entire issue is a major black eye for the entire jewish world in some peoples mind it makes madoff look like a novice.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:43 PM cool masmid Says:

Reply to #26  
Akivah H Says:

My rav gave a speech this week and this is what he said : Raboisa there is a big confusion in our community regarding " Pidyon Shvuom" What we are hearing recently with achinu bais yisroel being arrested is really " Pidyon Ganovim" Pidyon shevuom was always known as a situation where a jew was kidnapped by goim for his sin of being a jew for the Ransom. thats what the gemora and shilchun orich translates as being "pidyon shevuom" A person who commits a crime is not pidyon shuvuom .if you want to help him ,thats fine but dont call it pidyon shvuom call it "PIDYON GANOVIM"

Well tell your 'Rov' that not only is he factually wrong about what is considered pidyon shevuyim,but he's also a heartless individual. Just wondering what's an am ho'oretz with such discusting middos doing as a Rav? But then again if the shul has the likes of you, then I guess I have no question.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:40 PM Anonymous Says:

a great man from yerushalyim would always in these kind of given situations one must ask themself what really does hashem want from us in sending klal yisroel such a situation?
The answer he gave was for us not to look at the person (dwek) but to look at our own middos and see where it is that hashem wants me to straighten out. Even though we all know the the famous line that one can change the face but the person and problem(s) remains. So one must face the change only then will hashem have unconditional mercy and unconditional love.

When we sit tish b'av we are not sitting 'cause of my friend i am sitting 'cause i wasn't straight and I did something wrong!!!

As dovid hamelach says in tehillim in chapter 23 don't look at the one swinging the stick but furthermore look at the one holding the stick. Dwek swings the stick but hashem continues to hold the stick.

Why is it that hashem does this? in reality hashem created this world but has no where to rest for his children have hatred and jealousy one to another. in giving one trials and tribulations through love and one realizes that it hashem doing ND not his friend then hashem will have the ability to enter his world through him keeping quiet submission of silence.

in this merit may hashem through his unconditionaly love and mercy let that tish b'av will iy'h be a yom tov amen



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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
Anonymous Says:

We ought the sit shiva for the kidney-selling dude. Solomon Dweck did a mitzvah by getting that crazed lunatic off the streets.

There are many people that were helped by this person. While what he charged compared to what he gave the donor might have been crazy it is also crazy that people die waiting for a kidney, heart lung etc... for no good reason. For example why is it different compared to those that can afford life saving drugs and operations and those that cant. Do we say that those that possess health insurance or neccessary funds should refrain from their medication or surgeries because others cant? We must somehow form a government regulated industry for this so people are not taken advantage of, and donors are properly compensated and the receivers of the organs not taken advantage of as well.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:23 PM you jerk Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

your an opicorsus and get off this site

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:23 PM finaly Says:

Rabbi Yehuda Amital Shlita, the former rosh yeshiva of Yeshivat Har Etzion, used the Friday night opportunity in yeshiva to address the painful sight of rabbonim being taken away in handcuffs in NYC and elsewhere in the United States.

“I am not capable of speaking tonight on the parsha or on the 3 Weeks,” were his opening words, as the rav, a survivor of the Nazi death camps himself, making reference to the painful pictures coming out of the United States, which he explained “have me very concerned. There is no greater chilul Hashem and I cannot permit this to pass without expressing my protest”.

The rav lamented the sight of elderly rabbonim and heads of kehilos being taken away in handcuffs for questioning or incarceration as the world looked on. The difficult pictures he explained threw him back to the Holocaust, when he saw Jewish leaders being led out as well.

“The Holocaust was the greatest chilul Hashem in history and I believe with a full heart that we merited the Jewish state because HaKadosh Baruch Hu wanted to be Mekadesh (sanctify) His Name after the terrible chilul Hashem, the Holocaust”.

According to reports he explained, the money laundering was in part at least for the good of the State of Israel, and this is what contributed significantly to the rav’s uneasiness.

He explained that the establishment of the state and victories in wars against Israel’s enemies was Hashem’s response to Kiddush Hashem. “That is why we must be cognizant of the need to sanctify Hashem’s name today, in our time. It is absurd that monies intended for the state should be tainted. This is why I feel the needs to shout in public” he explained.

When asked how to seek a tikun for these actions, the chilul Hashem and the recent actions in particular, the rav explained there are several aspects, the private as well as the collective/national. While everyone must seek to sanctify Hashem’s name, the state must act in such a fashion, one that is righteous, moral and beyond reproach towards sanctifying Hashem’s name on the national level.

(Yechiel Spira – YWN Israel)

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:23 PM HaLeiVi Says:

Reply to #52  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Avigdor Miller zal said in his seforim that the cemetaries are full of children who died because of their parents' indulgences. If Rabbi Dweck had been a better father and patched him as a child the first time he lied or cheated or stole, perhaps Solomon would have turned into a more admirable person. But Rabbi Dweck coddled and spoiled the child until he grew up and became a monster and deposited a fraudulent check for $25million, which Uncle Sam then utilized like Mr. Clean to clean up the dirty State of New Jersey. There is no excuse for shul rabbis and yeshiva rabbis to accepted dirty money! Solomon Dweck is not the "cause" of the community's problem, he is the "exposer" of the problems. Sitting shiva for Solomon will not make the dirt go away; taking responsibility is the first step in changing everyone's behavior.

You should have read comment #17 before posting your extremely insensative drasha.
Perhaps you should chase every hatzolah bus and let the victims know that their carelessness or avairos caused them their trouble.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:21 PM sg Says:

1. theer's no clear issur of mesirah here. many rabbonim paskin that mesirah is not assur if a)the offenders are a sakana lrabim - and causing a CH certainley is a sakana, as well b) mesirah is only assur in a country who'll treat yidden differently than others. In America, they pasken, the laws are equal for all and therefore no mesirah.

2. Theer was NO entrapment. all it takes is for the farshtunkeneh rabbis to have said "No, I'm sorry, that's illegal and i cannot participate""!!!!! they didn't and they are the wrong ones here, not the "moisar"!

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:20 PM A Pushita Yid Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

This makes us sound like gangsters. Better to denounce him for entrapping people, and playing on their pity. But to say it is against our religion to inform on a Jew who commits a crime to a non Jewish government, will only bring more antisemitism.

Were you always this smart?

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
Anonymous Says:

#1 is an APIKORES! Moshe Kibel Tora MISINAI, how mediavel R'L!

BTW, SD commited fraud to the tune of $50 million willingly, thoughtfully, premeditated, calculatingly and with malice and he is OUR Governements hero but these poor arrested people who combined were caught with around 3 Million being entrapped they are the Criminals, Thieves, Fraudsters and Swindlers!

Is this where our Justice system is headed in OBAMALAND?

You`r right on target. I'm impressed with your the way you think. Kol hakovod!!

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:20 PM Anonymous Says:

His father is not sitting Shiva for him. He just said that the family is in mourning.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
Anonymous Says:

We ought the sit shiva for the kidney-selling dude. Solomon Dweck did a mitzvah by getting that crazed lunatic off the streets.

He helped so many people who are alive today because of him he was a true bal chesed

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:18 PM USE YOUR HEAD Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

why won't you learn how to think: have you ever taken only 5 minutes to think about the magnitude of this horrific act? he didn't want to serve time in jail, so he ruined the lives of all the 18 yidisha families? isn't this considered barbaric?

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:18 PM fallsburg Says:

he has a right to a fare din torah

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:50 PM cool masmid Says:

Reply to #52  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Avigdor Miller zal said in his seforim that the cemetaries are full of children who died because of their parents' indulgences. If Rabbi Dweck had been a better father and patched him as a child the first time he lied or cheated or stole, perhaps Solomon would have turned into a more admirable person. But Rabbi Dweck coddled and spoiled the child until he grew up and became a monster and deposited a fraudulent check for $25million, which Uncle Sam then utilized like Mr. Clean to clean up the dirty State of New Jersey. There is no excuse for shul rabbis and yeshiva rabbis to accepted dirty money! Solomon Dweck is not the "cause" of the community's problem, he is the "exposer" of the problems. Sitting shiva for Solomon will not make the dirt go away; taking responsibility is the first step in changing everyone's behavior.

Just so you know ; you were just Motzei Shaim Ra on Rabbi Dweck and his family - now go and ask him mechila. I don't know how you have the guts to speak false slander about such a great man and his family. Now go and do Teshuva.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:48 PM YG Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How awful. whatever your son has done, including the worst kind of Moser, sitting Shiva is medieval and barbaric

No one is asking how you feel about the matter. The Torah was given to direct our lives even in times sadly as these. Its enough of people imposing their skewed thoughts and feelings and the expense of God Almighty who created us and the entire world from the Torah.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:51 PM YG Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

This makes us sound like gangsters. Better to denounce him for entrapping people, and playing on their pity. But to say it is against our religion to inform on a Jew who commits a crime to a non Jewish government, will only bring more antisemitism.

The Torah is not the cause of more Anti-Semitism - you are.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Akivah H Says:

My rav gave a speech this week and this is what he said : Raboisa there is a big confusion in our community regarding " Pidyon Shvuom" What we are hearing recently with achinu bais yisroel being arrested is really " Pidyon Ganovim" Pidyon shevuom was always known as a situation where a jew was kidnapped by goim for his sin of being a jew for the Ransom. thats what the gemora and shilchun orich translates as being "pidyon shevuom" A person who commits a crime is not pidyon shuvuom .if you want to help him ,thats fine but dont call it pidyon shvuom call it "PIDYON GANOVIM"

Your rav is NO rav, what happened to incent until proven guilty? What happened to DAN LEKAF ZECHUS, I guess your rav has a different Torah.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Hamokem yenachem oso b'toch shar avelil Tzion v'Yerushalayim

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:54 PM A Pushita Yid Says:

Reply to #46  
jj Says:

i condemn the kidney rabbi more than solomon dwek

I condemn them both too, but there is nothing worse than a moser al pi torah.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:54 PM formally Says:

Reply to #33  
Anonymous Says:

Yes sir! according to the torah mesirah is one of the worst aveiros!, worse than cashing a check for a crooked trapman.

maybe you can quote me the pusak and Parsha where it says that and the circumstances

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
jj Says:

i condemn the kidney rabbi more than solomon dwek

Really now- explain your logic, please. I think you got your condemnations all MIXED UP!

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 06:57 PM antidwekite Says:

The poor father,I saw him. he cried more than a person who looses a son r"l his eyes were red

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 07:52 PM Mashbak Says:

Reply to #55  
moshe g Says:

Just out curiosity where is he sitting Shiva????
if Rabbi Shlomo Eiger sat shiva on his son Reb Leibel Eiger for becoming a chossid the don't you think that Rabbi Dewek has the right to sit Shiva!!

The "bubbeh maisa" of Reb Shlomo Eiger sitting shiva for Reb Leibele Eiger was concocted by the maskilim in order to cause a pirud among yidden. See the Sefer Yehuda Lekodshoi for more details.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 07:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #82  
A Political Move to save his own Backside Says:

How hard is it to figure it out?

When Mr. Drek has hurt so deeply, the highest and most respected of the Syrian and Sephardic Jews, that the entire Drek family will be hated and shunned forever by all Syrians and by all Sephardim.

If his father did not denounce him and DISOWN HIM (by making the spectacular "SHOW" of "Shiva"), then there is no chance at all, that the Fathers career, would not be over and that the father would also be thrown out of town with Bizyonos.

The father did it for his own survival, to thwart off retribution against himself and to "wash his hands clean".

I wouldn't be surprised if his father knew all along but remained quite because if not, I would not put it beyond Mr Drek to try to entrap his own father (unless his father already knew and so could not be entrapped).

Everyone knows the famous saying that "An Apple Does Not Fall Far From The Tree".

wow so much respect u have for a rabbi! you dont know the guy from adam yet your so quick to talk out about him like that! if i were u i wud "watch my own backside!"

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 07:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

the torah says a moiser has no olam haba,a rapist,murderer,child molester does have olam haba.if you dont like the torah,get yourself another religion,like dweck.

Actually, chillul hashem is the only avaireh that yom hamisah is not mechapair...

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 07:40 PM vestin Says:

Reply to #119  
sg Says:

1. theer's no clear issur of mesirah here. many rabbonim paskin that mesirah is not assur if a)the offenders are a sakana lrabim - and causing a CH certainley is a sakana, as well b) mesirah is only assur in a country who'll treat yidden differently than others. In America, they pasken, the laws are equal for all and therefore no mesirah.

2. Theer was NO entrapment. all it takes is for the farshtunkeneh rabbis to have said "No, I'm sorry, that's illegal and i cannot participate""!!!!! they didn't and they are the wrong ones here, not the "moisar"!

Really, who are these "rabonnim"? Because Reb Moshe Feinstein (you may have heard of him) in his sefer Iggros Moshe, Choshen mishpat Aleph Teshuva Ches, clearly states that even in America there is an issur of Moiser, and quotes, the mechaber in shulchan aruch shin pay ches, that its asur to hand over a jew to the non-jewish courts.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 07:34 PM Halacha is Halacha Says:

Reply to #91  
Anonymous Says:

agree with #16......nu anyone have a response.....

Is a poshite Halacha.

Parents of a Moser need to sit Shiva and parents of a Ganev, need not because being a Moser is the worst thing a person can do, next "best thing" to converting to a different religion, for which parents also sit shiva.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 07:23 PM Yoselle from Lakewood Says:

There is a shaila here if its mesira 1) If he was on the goverment payroll then he is a goverment employee doing his job and its not mesira 2) There is a good chance that he is mentaly unsound so he has the din as a cheresh ,shoita,or kutun, he is for sure insane so i dont know if the inyan of mesira is applicable here

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 07:21 PM Anonymous Says:

>fyi accourding the the halacha we are not alowed to daven w him, he can not be a part of a minyen for the tenth , and if he walks in in a shull you need to scream and scream and scream on him till he walks pout from that shull ... we are not allowed to daven w him under one roof he jas a den of a muser lechul hadayes<

If only you showed such concern re husbands who won't give their wives a get!

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 07:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #119  
sg Says:

1. theer's no clear issur of mesirah here. many rabbonim paskin that mesirah is not assur if a)the offenders are a sakana lrabim - and causing a CH certainley is a sakana, as well b) mesirah is only assur in a country who'll treat yidden differently than others. In America, they pasken, the laws are equal for all and therefore no mesirah.

2. Theer was NO entrapment. all it takes is for the farshtunkeneh rabbis to have said "No, I'm sorry, that's illegal and i cannot participate""!!!!! they didn't and they are the wrong ones here, not the "moisar"!

do not judge until you are in their shoes unfortunately we can all fall into the category of nichnas bo ruach shtus do not take away the good some these rabbis have done over the years

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:08 PM Jay O. Says:

Reply to #119  
sg Says:

1. theer's no clear issur of mesirah here. many rabbonim paskin that mesirah is not assur if a)the offenders are a sakana lrabim - and causing a CH certainley is a sakana, as well b) mesirah is only assur in a country who'll treat yidden differently than others. In America, they pasken, the laws are equal for all and therefore no mesirah.

2. Theer was NO entrapment. all it takes is for the farshtunkeneh rabbis to have said "No, I'm sorry, that's illegal and i cannot participate""!!!!! they didn't and they are the wrong ones here, not the "moisar"!

You are right sg. But in my humble opinion the problem here is that the people who are complaining loudly that Dweck is "moser" don't really care about the fact that he may have committed the avayrah of "moser". If they cared about that avayrah, they would also care about the chillul hashem that the targets of the "moser" have caused and the aveyros they committed. What is really going on here is simply this: people don't like snitches. It just sounds better (and holier) to use the lashon hakodesh word "moser" rather than "snitch". The problem is that by focusing their wrath on the snitcher rather than on the snitchee(s) they are in essence acting no different than those who live in the inner city and are criticized for refusing to testify against drive-by shooters. So why don't those of you who keep calling Dweck a "moser" stop pretending that you are angry because you think he did an avayrah and just admit that you don't like "snitches." You'll feel better.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 07:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Dan Daoust Says:

Couldn't help but notice that the fraud charges in May 2006 didn't exactly cause Rabbi Dwek to sit shiva.

You answerd very stupidly. When someone is cuaght form him own sin one 1 think and let him serve it. But when he turns is other just to deny his sin that's somthing where we need to stand up.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 07:04 PM Steve Says:

Reply to #107  
Anonymous Says:

"Keep up renouncing and denouncing our GADOLAY YISROEL"

These rabbis who are alleged to have comitted felonies are NOT GADDOLIM...they have violated the law, but worse, they have put all yidden at risk by validating all the worst antisemitic stereotypes. At some point it will become clear that we have real gadolim with real midos. These 5 rabbonim are NOT among them.

1. Where is written in Torah against Money laundering

2. Where is written in the torah that Dina D'melchusah is before pidyon shvoyoum

3. Why did your parants come to this country with flase paperwork and a new name

4. Since when can a secular accusation and judgment on jew be accepted

Yes we love in america but our torah willl not change, A Gadol stays a Gadol Even he gets imprisoned until a baith Din rules so, so if Drek wanted to be a Hero he should of make sure he is not making this pepole be over on the horrible evaire of Dina damlchusa or call them to din torah

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 07:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #55  
moshe g Says:

Just out curiosity where is he sitting Shiva????
if Rabbi Shlomo Eiger sat shiva on his son Reb Leibel Eiger for becoming a chossid the don't you think that Rabbi Dewek has the right to sit Shiva!!

that story was made up by the maskilim to knockout chasidus which was the bigest force against them. the real story is that r shlomo eiger sent him to r akiva eiger to set him strait. r avika eiger told him i dont see anything that needs to be fixed.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:36 PM Anonymous Says:

What will our community look like if we can't trust our own people? Soon our tfillin will be equipped with burgler alarms so that nobody steals them!

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:35 PM HaLeiVi Says:

Reply to #146  
Anonymous Says:

that story was made up by the maskilim to knockout chasidus which was the bigest force against them. the real story is that r shlomo eiger sent him to r akiva eiger to set him strait. r avika eiger told him i dont see anything that needs to be fixed.

Actually, when R' Shlomole Eiger told his father about his son becoming a chasid, R' Akiva Eiger answered that if he still washes Negel Vaaser at his bed, then it's OK.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:46 PM אם אשכחך ירושלים Says:

Reply to #146  
Anonymous Says:

that story was made up by the maskilim to knockout chasidus which was the bigest force against them. the real story is that r shlomo eiger sent him to r akiva eiger to set him strait. r avika eiger told him i dont see anything that needs to be fixed.

its in the 9 days - think before you write

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Before I just couldn’t find in me to post any comments, which would have been shock and dismay that a Rabbi and a parent would sit shivah for his son for doing what he did, regardless, that I disapprove of CW actions, but at least he did do right with God and his son.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:31 PM esther Says:

Reply to #52  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Avigdor Miller zal said in his seforim that the cemetaries are full of children who died because of their parents' indulgences. If Rabbi Dweck had been a better father and patched him as a child the first time he lied or cheated or stole, perhaps Solomon would have turned into a more admirable person. But Rabbi Dweck coddled and spoiled the child until he grew up and became a monster and deposited a fraudulent check for $25million, which Uncle Sam then utilized like Mr. Clean to clean up the dirty State of New Jersey. There is no excuse for shul rabbis and yeshiva rabbis to accepted dirty money! Solomon Dweck is not the "cause" of the community's problem, he is the "exposer" of the problems. Sitting shiva for Solomon will not make the dirt go away; taking responsibility is the first step in changing everyone's behavior.

do you know the dweck family?were you privy to the rabbi's child raising techniques?do you have grown children?i sincerely doubt it or else you make such a nairishe statement.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:27 PM vestin Says:

Reply to #107  
Anonymous Says:

"Keep up renouncing and denouncing our GADOLAY YISROEL"

These rabbis who are alleged to have comitted felonies are NOT GADDOLIM...they have violated the law, but worse, they have put all yidden at risk by validating all the worst antisemitic stereotypes. At some point it will become clear that we have real gadolim with real midos. These 5 rabbonim are NOT among them.

It says in koheles Perek Zayin posuk Chuf "Ki adom, aiyn tzaddik b'aretz asher yaaseh tov v'lo yechetah". "For there is not a righteous man upon earth, that does good, and doesnt sin". Even if a person does chatoim, things wrong, he can still be called a tzaddik. So, WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE THEY ARE NOT GEDOLIM? They were ensnared and entraped by a rasha, a moiser, who played on the fact that they are rachmonim, bnei rachmonim, and were trying to help out someone they thought was in need of help.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:25 PM Insane? My foot Says:

Reply to #143  
Jay O. Says:

You are right sg. But in my humble opinion the problem here is that the people who are complaining loudly that Dweck is "moser" don't really care about the fact that he may have committed the avayrah of "moser". If they cared about that avayrah, they would also care about the chillul hashem that the targets of the "moser" have caused and the aveyros they committed. What is really going on here is simply this: people don't like snitches. It just sounds better (and holier) to use the lashon hakodesh word "moser" rather than "snitch". The problem is that by focusing their wrath on the snitcher rather than on the snitchee(s) they are in essence acting no different than those who live in the inner city and are criticized for refusing to testify against drive-by shooters. So why don't those of you who keep calling Dweck a "moser" stop pretending that you are angry because you think he did an avayrah and just admit that you don't like "snitches." You'll feel better.

A Torah Jew, feels and THINKS in the ways of Torah.

Torah says that the real Truth is that Mesira is worse than anything, so if bloggers also happen to genuinely FEEL that way (not only saying it "LISHMA") that only shows that they are true Torah Jews and they feel TRUE DISGUST against the lowest of the lowest - that is exactly how human emotions of a true Torah Jew should be.

If you are Goy (and perhaps you are) your feelings would be like the feelings of Goyish FBI.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:23 PM sg Says:

Reply to #145  
Steve Says:

1. Where is written in Torah against Money laundering

2. Where is written in the torah that Dina D'melchusah is before pidyon shvoyoum

3. Why did your parants come to this country with flase paperwork and a new name

4. Since when can a secular accusation and judgment on jew be accepted

Yes we love in america but our torah willl not change, A Gadol stays a Gadol Even he gets imprisoned until a baith Din rules so, so if Drek wanted to be a Hero he should of make sure he is not making this pepole be over on the horrible evaire of Dina damlchusa or call them to din torah

1. mdvar sheker tirchak is a d'oraysa, even if you refuse to accept dina dmalchusa dinah. Gezel akum acc to most poskim is a issur dioraysa. tax evasion is therefore assur midioraysa - whether everyone does it or not.

2. pidyon shvoyim is when a jew is kidnapped and held for ransom - not happening here - they commited an issur.also, when dinadmalchusa took effect, they weren't shevuyim yet!

3. mine came in legally with legal papers

4. since some poskim hold so for american laws - esp when a Ch causes a sakana for the rabim!

5. why so quick to defend the Rabbonim who KNEW they were doing an illegal act, yet youjump all over Dweck?

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:21 PM Insane? My foot Says:

Reply to #140  
Yoselle from Lakewood Says:

There is a shaila here if its mesira 1) If he was on the goverment payroll then he is a goverment employee doing his job and its not mesira 2) There is a good chance that he is mentaly unsound so he has the din as a cheresh ,shoita,or kutun, he is for sure insane so i dont know if the inyan of mesira is applicable here

A Moser has a din Rodef.

When you see a Rodef, i.e Ba Bemachteres, you are MECHUYAV to shoot first and ask questions later and not take him for psychiatric evaluation before pulling the trigger in self defense of the imminent victim.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:18 PM sg Says:

Reply to #142  
Anonymous Says:

do not judge until you are in their shoes unfortunately we can all fall into the category of nichnas bo ruach shtus do not take away the good some these rabbis have done over the years

yet you don't defend dweck with the same concern. why not? double standard maybe?

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:16 PM sg Says:

Reply to #142  
Anonymous Says:

do not judge until you are in their shoes unfortunately we can all fall into the category of nichnas bo ruach shtus do not take away the good some these rabbis have done over the years

I don't want you to be nichshol in loshon horah and mevazeh pnei torah as others here are so willing to do, so i will not list the well respected talmid chochoms name here. suffice it to say, I heard it from the rov directly. As well, the Aruch hashulchan - you may have heard of him - paskens that way as well. Despite those who try to change what he wrote.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:12 PM wrong Says:

Reply to #119  
sg Says:

1. theer's no clear issur of mesirah here. many rabbonim paskin that mesirah is not assur if a)the offenders are a sakana lrabim - and causing a CH certainley is a sakana, as well b) mesirah is only assur in a country who'll treat yidden differently than others. In America, they pasken, the laws are equal for all and therefore no mesirah.

2. Theer was NO entrapment. all it takes is for the farshtunkeneh rabbis to have said "No, I'm sorry, that's illegal and i cannot participate""!!!!! they didn't and they are the wrong ones here, not the "moisar"!

What you say is blatantly wrong. You must be a secular Jew (you sound like one) who imagines "Kechol Hagoyim Beis Yisroel".

If you can think for one moment that there is no Anti Semitism in the USA you are either totally naive or in dream-land.

Antisemitism by definition does not treat Yidden and non-Yidden alike.

There are thousands of examples but the simplest one that even secular Jew, like you, can understand is that for Goyim they get free education, whearas a yid with a typical Kosher (i.e. non-family planing Kosher way) having a minimum of 12 Children or more needs about $100,00 to $150,000 for tuition alone - an expense Goyim have paid FREE bu the government and as frum yidden we are TAXED twice, once initial taxes and then again to pay Tuition which should be free.

In such a system of unfair taxation it is 100 Mutar to hide earning form the government (that is not "stealing" only taus akum) and Halacha of Torah for the USA in 2009 is that Moser deserves Capital Punishment.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:28 PM keep your mouth clean Says:

there is no need to call him dr** it is nivul peh! pleas keep your mouth clean. its worthed.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #158  
wrong Says:

What you say is blatantly wrong. You must be a secular Jew (you sound like one) who imagines "Kechol Hagoyim Beis Yisroel".

If you can think for one moment that there is no Anti Semitism in the USA you are either totally naive or in dream-land.

Antisemitism by definition does not treat Yidden and non-Yidden alike.

There are thousands of examples but the simplest one that even secular Jew, like you, can understand is that for Goyim they get free education, whearas a yid with a typical Kosher (i.e. non-family planing Kosher way) having a minimum of 12 Children or more needs about $100,00 to $150,000 for tuition alone - an expense Goyim have paid FREE bu the government and as frum yidden we are TAXED twice, once initial taxes and then again to pay Tuition which should be free.

In such a system of unfair taxation it is 100 Mutar to hide earning form the government (that is not "stealing" only taus akum) and Halacha of Torah for the USA in 2009 is that Moser deserves Capital Punishment.

You are so wrong. First, the government does not endorse or support anti-semitism.
Second, the government does not pay for religious education for anyone. If catholics wants to send their children to parochial school, they pay for it. The "goyim" only get a free secular education and your children can get that free secular education too. You chose not to take advantage of it.
Third, paying taxes has nothing to do with having children. Childless people also pay taxes to support public schools. Everyone also pays for police and fire departments even though they may never use them. We all benefit from having free public schools even if we don't use them because a democracy and our economy depend on having an educated populace.

Finally, your suggestion that hiding earnings and tax fraud is acceptable and is not stealing is utterly outrageous. It's illegal and steals from every other taxpayer. What part of thou shalt not steal did they forget to teach you in yeshiva?

With attitudes like yours, we can expect to see more frum people doing the perp walk. I hope this is not what you teach your children.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:08 PM Anonymous Says:

the guy, solomon, doesn't look ok. why didn't they give him mantel care before this happened?

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:20 PM Mashbak Says:

Reply to #55  
moshe g Says:

Just out curiosity where is he sitting Shiva????
if Rabbi Shlomo Eiger sat shiva on his son Reb Leibel Eiger for becoming a chossid the don't you think that Rabbi Dewek has the right to sit Shiva!!

One more point to deflate the "bubbe meisa" .It was Reb Shlomo Eiger who sent Reb Leibele to Warsaw to learn by Reb Yitzcok Meier (Rottenberg) Alter,the first Gerrer Rebbe,the Chidushei HaRim.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #37  
Anonymous Says:

What happens if he will not testify will the fed have a case? If not he could do tshuve and stop co-aperating

His testimony is not what will be heard. He was wired. It is the tapes that will be shown.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

what he has done the worst chilul hashem in history of the jewish people he whent to family and friends and not only was moser on them but set them up to take a fall if you have rachmoniss on an idiot like that then you have lost your sense of rachmoniss

No, what he has done is not the "worst chilul Hashem in history". The men and women who committed the crimes have caused this chilul Hashem.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:49 PM DO TASHUVAH Says:

Reply to #108  
Torah demands punishment for crooks! Says:

Our holy Torah is for truth and following the law.

Those people who twist concepts such as 'pidyon shvuyim' and 'mesirah' to cover up for and aid and abet criminal activities are guilty of a great sin, of making a grotesque carricature of our faith, and have a big punishment awaiting them.

The earlier poster is right, our Torah demands to PUNISH crooks, not to protect and help them. Enough of this stupidity already! Don't try to cover up up corruption with our holy faith and some Jewish words. The community should spit out such people.

Who are you to punish the so called money launderers, body part dealers, and all sinners. You need a BET DIN and CHACHMIN to decide who is a sinner. Who gets punished, and what should be the punishment. But they will definitely not listen to a MOSAR. In America BAHAVONOTANU HARABIM we have a court system where you can defend yourself. A Jew and especially a Rabbi has almost a 00000% chance of coming clean. In our system there is much anti semitism. A jury (Jewish People don't like to serve on juries) of GOYIM means GUILY for a YID. But at least we can defend our self to the best of our ability and HASHAM can and will HELP. Remember, all those people being accused were considered BAHALAY CHESED AND TZADAKA. Don't forget them in time of need. Pray for them and don't become the DAYEN to decide on guilt. The press is biased, and from them you are getting all your information. Remember, there might come the day where you would need a LIMUD ZACHUT. Is you would not give it to others, you will not get it either. LOVE YOUR BROTHERS. IF NOT WE WILL HAVE MANEY MORE TISHAA BAOV CHASVACHALYLA. MASHIACH is on the way, let him in.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 10:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #158  
wrong Says:

What you say is blatantly wrong. You must be a secular Jew (you sound like one) who imagines "Kechol Hagoyim Beis Yisroel".

If you can think for one moment that there is no Anti Semitism in the USA you are either totally naive or in dream-land.

Antisemitism by definition does not treat Yidden and non-Yidden alike.

There are thousands of examples but the simplest one that even secular Jew, like you, can understand is that for Goyim they get free education, whearas a yid with a typical Kosher (i.e. non-family planing Kosher way) having a minimum of 12 Children or more needs about $100,00 to $150,000 for tuition alone - an expense Goyim have paid FREE bu the government and as frum yidden we are TAXED twice, once initial taxes and then again to pay Tuition which should be free.

In such a system of unfair taxation it is 100 Mutar to hide earning form the government (that is not "stealing" only taus akum) and Halacha of Torah for the USA in 2009 is that Moser deserves Capital Punishment.

You don’t know what you are talking about, you could send your children to public school for free, and you should take advantage, it would be a big Mitzvah, because the day when you or your children walk the prep walk at least hopefully you and them will not look Jewish, I don’t have any delusions that you don’t pay your taxes, and adhere to the rule of the law, so the day will come

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM Anonymous Says:

"Jewish People don't like to serve on juries"

Well, if that's the case, you really can't complain of bias. It's really shocking how so many people on here think the world hates them...

Stealing for tzedaka is still stealing. One can only hope more Jews become willing to turn in the crooks they know. Why you all want to live amongst criminals is beyond me.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 10:44 PM Anonymous Says:

its incredible and horrifying that 98% of the Syrian community's outrage is directed at the cooperating witness and 2% is directed at the Rabbis who acted as if the Secular laws of the United States don't apply to them.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #158  
wrong Says:

What you say is blatantly wrong. You must be a secular Jew (you sound like one) who imagines "Kechol Hagoyim Beis Yisroel".

If you can think for one moment that there is no Anti Semitism in the USA you are either totally naive or in dream-land.

Antisemitism by definition does not treat Yidden and non-Yidden alike.

There are thousands of examples but the simplest one that even secular Jew, like you, can understand is that for Goyim they get free education, whearas a yid with a typical Kosher (i.e. non-family planing Kosher way) having a minimum of 12 Children or more needs about $100,00 to $150,000 for tuition alone - an expense Goyim have paid FREE bu the government and as frum yidden we are TAXED twice, once initial taxes and then again to pay Tuition which should be free.

In such a system of unfair taxation it is 100 Mutar to hide earning form the government (that is not "stealing" only taus akum) and Halacha of Torah for the USA in 2009 is that Moser deserves Capital Punishment.

No Rav or Rabbi will confirm what you said. Tax evasion is prohibited bu the torah! and laundering is prohibited, and there's a halocha of dina demulchusa.
Of course a mosur is much much worse, but high tuition and other stuff is no heter for fraud.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 11:36 PM Anonymous Says:

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keep your mouth clean Says:

there is no need to call him dr** it is nivul peh! pleas keep your mouth clean. its worthed.

you are 100% right. i was waiting for someone to say it. its the only important comment here.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 05:43 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

its incredible and horrifying that 98% of the Syrian community's outrage is directed at the cooperating witness and 2% is directed at the Rabbis who acted as if the Secular laws of the United States don't apply to them.

If after 167 comments you still didn't figure out that innocent people(like rabbi Kassin) were entrapped by a scum, get off this blog.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 05:40 AM Anonymous Says:

I wish VIN would remove the ugefressene face of mr drek from their blog, it makes me sick just to look at him.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 07:28 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

If after 167 comments you still didn't figure out that innocent people(like rabbi Kassin) were entrapped by a scum, get off this blog.

It's too bad that after thousands of years, so many of us are not able to accept that some Jews are criminals.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 08:18 AM Aderabe Says:

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Anonymous Says:

I wish VIN would remove the ugefressene face of mr drek from their blog, it makes me sick just to look at him.

Let everyone see what a Chazer looks like to know whom to avoid.

Someone like that will keep doing it more and more, he is not "finished" yet!

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 Jul 27, 2012 at 03:53 PM Folks-Mensch Says:

It is no wonder that a young man would rather be a criminal than to earn a living. If we are teaching our sons that there are two sets of right and wrong - one for Jews and another for everyone else; that robbing one's neighbors is acceptable as long as there is a dollar in it; that the only wrong that one can do is to tell the truth - then what can we expect from our young people? We can expect more of the same - lying, stealing, killing. The worst thing about Mr. Dwek is not that he informed; it is that he was a gonif in the first place. What father could be proud of such a son - a parasite like him? His only redeeming act was to eventually tell the truth, thereby helping to cleanse the community of the scum which clings to its belly; and it is for that which you condemn him? We are lost.

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