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Deal, NJ - **Correction** Rabbi Dwek: I'm Not Sitting Shiva

Published on: July 27, 2009 08:59 PM
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Deal, NJ - Upon further investigation of an earlier report posted by VIN News claiming that Rabbi Issac Dweck has renounced his son Solomon Dweck, VIN has verified that it’s not true.
This rumor started a few days ago in Israel by a few irresponsible Hebrew-language news sites, and was for the first time reported today in English by a credible New Jersey news  site.
We contacted the New Jersey reporter, who claimed that his story was accurate and came from a reliable source.  Based on this claim, VIN posted the story.
VIN News has now been able to confirm directly from Rabbi Dweck and family what transpired this past Shabbos.
Rabbi Dweck delivered a very emotional sermon in which he strongly denounced the phenomenon of a Jew informing on other Jews, said that he is also a victim in this saga together with Klal Yisroel, and asked for prayers from the entire Jewish community for his terrible suffering.
Rabbi Dweck did not renounce his son, nor is he sitting shivah according to halachah.
VIN regrets the error.  We unconditionally apologize for any anguish the erroneous report may have caused to the Dweck family.
VIN News strives to be the most accurate and reliable news source for the Jewish community, and as such, we always verify information we receive (though the sources feeding our verifiers sometimes turn out to be irresponsible, as occurs in this case.)
We hope to continue to provide accurate reportage with Hashem’s help.

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1

 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:03 PM tina Says:

Ok - Now Im confused - what does he have to say about all this? can he possibly justify"?

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:09 PM Dov In Lakewood Says:

The inyan of mesira is not so pushut, 1) if he is a goverment employee then he is doing his job and you cant call him a moser,2) if he is insane and he probly is mentally instable then he has the din of a shoita and he is not responsible for his actions. I am not condoning anything he did, but the halocus of mesira is pretty complicated

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Hopefully, the real truth will now come out that the rav did not denounce his son but rather gave legitimate musar to the olam that the midos of klal yisroel need to change. While I'm sure he does not approve of his son's actions, the willingness of so many yiddin within his community to break the law for a few dollars shows greed is alive and well.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
tina Says:

Ok - Now Im confused - what does he have to say about all this? can he possibly justify"?

Leave the man alone. He is not trying to justify, he just is not sitting shiva.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:41 PM bprebbetzin Says:

Reply to #2  
Dov In Lakewood Says:

The inyan of mesira is not so pushut, 1) if he is a goverment employee then he is doing his job and you cant call him a moser,2) if he is insane and he probly is mentally instable then he has the din of a shoita and he is not responsible for his actions. I am not condoning anything he did, but the halocus of mesira is pretty complicated

I do not call this working for the govt. Im sure he had a choice. Secondly, an insane person is not capable of doing what he did.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Dov In Lakewood Says:

The inyan of mesira is not so pushut, 1) if he is a goverment employee then he is doing his job and you cant call him a moser,2) if he is insane and he probly is mentally instable then he has the din of a shoita and he is not responsible for his actions. I am not condoning anything he did, but the halocus of mesira is pretty complicated

Whatever the halacha is, what he did is digraceful.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Well said. Also does the phrase from the gemorah ”Hakol bide shamayim chutz yirat shamayim” apply in this case?

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:37 PM nu shoin Says:

he's just not in the mood of sitting.....
why do people feel a need to be ringside pundits on the minutia of his existence. of what possible significance or benefit could his sitting (or for that matter standing) be to anyone.

PS this was written "tongue in cheek", so pls laugh and accept it in the manner in which it was intended and don't denounce me as an a"h, "shoite", imbecile etc.

9

 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:36 PM honest man Says:

what about the story of R' Shimon Bar Yochai's son, who caught jewish robbers for the romans and sent them to their deaths? The Gemara in Bava Metzia (7th perek), seems to conclude that it was right to remove the thorns from G-d's Roses. Why is this clearly moser, the law of the government is more just than the roman law to kill thieves! can we speak rationally instead of just jumping to conclusions and killing the messenger?

10

 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
tina Says:

Ok - Now Im confused - what does he have to say about all this? can he possibly justify"?

Did you not read? He denounced his sons actions....

11

 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:46 PM Jay O. Says:

In my humble opinion the problem here is that the people who are complaining loudly that Dweck is "moser" don't really care about the fact that he may have committed the avayrah of "moser". If they cared about that avayrah, they would also care about the chillul hashem that the targets of the "moser" have caused and the aveyros they committed. What is really going on here is simply this: people don't like snitches. It just sounds better (and holier) to use the lashon hakodesh word "moser" rather than "snitch". The problem is that by focusing their wrath on the snitcher rather than on the snitchee(s) they are in essence acting no different than those who live in the inner city and are criticized for refusing to testify against drive-by shooters. So why don't those of you who keep calling Dweck a "moser" stop pretending that you are angry because you think he did an avayrah and just admit that you don't like "snitches." You'll feel better.

12

 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:44 PM Lamdan Says:

The son might be Chayov Missoh, but he is not dead yet.
He did not CH"V marry out of his faith either. No Shiva here then.
(Just a few yidden will spent some 20 years each among murderers thanks to this Tachshit).

13

 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:43 PM Anonymous Says:

he should sit shivah

14

 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:28 PM Anonymous Says:

what should his father say or do? נעבעך
you think he likes what's going on?
he needs a קאפיטל תהלים like everyone in כלל ישראל

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:26 PM NYCbuff Says:

Did he give VIN any special message to pass along ? A comment from the family ??? -k-

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:22 PM Aryeh Says:

I dont care if he sits shiva or not I care that he should pay me back my money that he stole,,Rabbi Dweck you have a few nice properties thats worth millions do the DEED man

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:22 PM moish Says:

this is the way i think it probably went:
one should sit shiva for such a son; his son deserves death, so its as if he died

18

 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:20 PM Ehrlicher Says:

Just know that your son is DREK, whether you sit shiva or not is irrelevant.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:14 PM מסור מן התורה Says:

Why do you call him a Rabbi?

20

 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:13 PM Anonymous Says:

I can understand a journalist getting a few words wrong or even incorrectly citing a quotation but this whole story seems to have been fabricated to make his son look like the evil rasha while exonerating all of those who agreed to engage in these crimes and making such a chilul hashem. how coud this happen in an age when even the slightest error in attribution will be quickly corrected on the internet.

21

 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:11 PM Did Dwek threathen to Maaser on you Says:

if you didnt change the report?

22

 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:56 PM Anonymous Says:

if he'll hang himself. will he sit shiva then?

23

 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:52 PM we need shivah Says:

why wouldn't the father sit shivah? don't his son's action prompt him to cut off ties with him? would his father ever look at him again? i am sure that not; so why not practice AVAILOS?

24

 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
honest man Says:

what about the story of R' Shimon Bar Yochai's son, who caught jewish robbers for the romans and sent them to their deaths? The Gemara in Bava Metzia (7th perek), seems to conclude that it was right to remove the thorns from G-d's Roses. Why is this clearly moser, the law of the government is more just than the roman law to kill thieves! can we speak rationally instead of just jumping to conclusions and killing the messenger?

Thank you for reminding me about this story in the Gemara

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 08:59 PM knows something Says:

I never posted here before, but I feel obligated to say it, I know one of the people who were arrested and i know for sure this person has never done something like this before, he is well off, and does not need to make 5,000 dollars in such a manner, but dweck represented himself as a potential costumer from him and a big one, and all he wanted was to gain favor in his eyes, so he did him a favor, its something that you need to be a malach to withstand, and we are no talking here about serial launderers et cetra

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:04 PM Anonymous Says:

yo guys are all crazy as good friend of the dwek faimly they dont need anymore pain from this bec wats theyre son have to do with them so stop callin them names bec they are in the same if not more shock you all are so stop now wit all the name callin to my very close very close faimly friend the dwecks they did nothin wrong sssssssoooooooo stop now

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:29 PM Michelle Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Hopefully, the real truth will now come out that the rav did not denounce his son but rather gave legitimate musar to the olam that the midos of klal yisroel need to change. While I'm sure he does not approve of his son's actions, the willingness of so many yiddin within his community to break the law for a few dollars shows greed is alive and well.

u are not being dan l'kaf zechut!! u have NO idea what happened, and u do not know these ppl. but hashem does, and hashem knows u too! u will be judged in 53 days. pls be more careful.
hashem should be merachem on all those accused, and on u as well! kol tuv.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:21 PM Anonymous Says:

whats worse mesira or arkuas

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:11 PM Oy Vey Says:

Rabbi Dwek is an honorable man, it is terrible that he has to have his name dragged through all this mud. I also think that his son, although I've never met him, was known as a generous baal tzedakah, and we don't know what his nisyonos were so I will not denounce him like everyone else.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Hopefully, the real truth will now come out that the rav did not denounce his son but rather gave legitimate musar to the olam that the midos of klal yisroel need to change. While I'm sure he does not approve of his son's actions, the willingness of so many yiddin within his community to break the law for a few dollars shows greed is alive and well.

I am not coming to justify dwek but as a friend of dwek from riverdale days whats worse a moisser or going to arkues which in shulchan urech says mairem yad btoras moshe micharif umigdif-imagine that

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:37 PM rachmanim! Says:

Reply to #19  
מסור מן התורה Says:

Why do you call him a Rabbi?

because he IS a rabbi, you awful person! be dan l'kaf zechut! u dont know the man and u dont know his position! this is a jewish website??!!!! on app im posting to defend my brothers against goyish sonim, but here against the jewish ones!
you will be judged in 53 days, my friend. and that Judge acts only on facts. not on rumors. and not on the substanceless assumptions of a tiny human mind.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:34 PM rachmanim! Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

if he'll hang himself. will he sit shiva then?

YOU are a JEW?!
you have NO IDEA what this poor man is going through. you should never be tested in this way! u should never see such embarrassment! he and his son are 2 DIFFERENT PEOPLE after all, are they not?! the rabbi is not sitting shiva as of right now, we dont know that he wont do it in the future, but then again its not our BUSINESS! its between him and hashem, stop being so INSENSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!
may all your children go b'derech hatorah and be a source of nachas to klal yisroel, u should never know from such shame.

33

 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:57 PM Lubavitcher Says:

This is to much ,oi rebbi this is just to much ,Hashem just bring Moshiach NOW

34

 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
tina Says:

Ok - Now Im confused - what does he have to say about all this? can he possibly justify"?

yes, it's his son.

35

 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:52 PM no laundry in 9 days Says:

Reply to #1  
tina Says:

Ok - Now Im confused - what does he have to say about all this? can he possibly justify"?

Trust me rabbi dweck knows how disgracefull it is to go after rabbi kassin and trying to get rabbi d yosef too. Does anyone have a clue to how painfull it is to denounce a son in public? He said enough and for those that have no brains and cannot read between the lines nothing is good enough.....

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:50 PM bayshanim! Says:

Reply to #11  
Jay O. Says:

In my humble opinion the problem here is that the people who are complaining loudly that Dweck is "moser" don't really care about the fact that he may have committed the avayrah of "moser". If they cared about that avayrah, they would also care about the chillul hashem that the targets of the "moser" have caused and the aveyros they committed. What is really going on here is simply this: people don't like snitches. It just sounds better (and holier) to use the lashon hakodesh word "moser" rather than "snitch". The problem is that by focusing their wrath on the snitcher rather than on the snitchee(s) they are in essence acting no different than those who live in the inner city and are criticized for refusing to testify against drive-by shooters. So why don't those of you who keep calling Dweck a "moser" stop pretending that you are angry because you think he did an avayrah and just admit that you don't like "snitches." You'll feel better.

thank you sherlock holmes! if only we were all as smart as you.
the fact is, the rabbanim were entrapped by shlomo dwek. he tried to do it to rav david yosef too, but he didnt budge. he made them feel sorry for him. he took advantage of the rachmanut that these rabbis had as jews, something many of this site's posters are unfortunately lacking.
i know those rabbis personally and they are NOT criminals. they work tirelessly for the good of the community. i've said it a million times and i'll say it again - WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED HERE. i advise you to pray that hashem will be a kinder judge to u than u have been to these rabbis!
dwek, on the other hand, was in trouble. instead of doing his time like a mentsch for the INSANE acts he is known to have committed (keep in mind 3 years have passed since), as his business partner sat the past 3 years and has recently completed his sentence and began a fresh slate with his family and a new job, NO - mr. dwek instead decided to be a moser - a crime for which the chofetz chaim states there is NO kapara - unlike chillul hashem, for which death atones, a moser will continue to burn even after the fuel in gehenom runs out! the saintly kind chofetz chaim tells us this! there is a BIG difference here - WHERE is the yirat Shamayim?? where is hashem in his brain right now?? his was thinking ONLY about himself!!!! what a shameful creature, i pity him! and i feel sorry for the holy rabbis who trusted him. one of which is a very close friend of his fathers and knows him since he was a small child! another man entrapped, solomons close friend since he was a young boy! hashem yerachem on his poor neshama! he gave in to his taava for money. and boy did it pay off. let this serve as an example for anyone who finds himself loving money. this can turn into a disease. he is a very smart man,. a genius even as a child. and look where it got him. first stealing from his neighbors and friends, and now this. hashem yerachem.

37

 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

I am not coming to justify dwek but as a friend of dwek from riverdale days whats worse a moisser or going to arkues which in shulchan urech says mairem yad btoras moshe micharif umigdif-imagine that

Moiser is worse, and especially the way he did it with entrapment and bait. this piece if dirt.

38

 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:44 PM Anonymous Says:

He should not sit shiva his son the DREK could stop co-operate with the feds and do tshva so the whole cass will fall apart DO TSHUVA MR DWEK

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 09:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
honest man Says:

what about the story of R' Shimon Bar Yochai's son, who caught jewish robbers for the romans and sent them to their deaths? The Gemara in Bava Metzia (7th perek), seems to conclude that it was right to remove the thorns from G-d's Roses. Why is this clearly moser, the law of the government is more just than the roman law to kill thieves! can we speak rationally instead of just jumping to conclusions and killing the messenger?

Very nice story, no comparison to this piece of Dreck that went around "creating" criminals. Besides that he himself is a massive low life thief and criminal.
And now go was your fingers with bleach for trying to compare the holy Reb Luser ben Rabi Shimon to a crook ganev and moser.

40

 Jul 27, 2009 at 10:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Let's leave alone the Rav, its non of his fault, he's heartbroken and ashamed of what happened, and let's hope he gets over with it.
The son the rosha moiser is a seperate story, he should get what he deserves.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 10:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Bythwy I don't get this whole farsholtene system you beg someone to help you and cash a check etc you make your self for a rachmunes and of course this person tries to push you off untill he can't anymore because his hearth broke and than WOW they all jump out we got him... What kind of corrupted system is this I think the russiens were doing this

42

 Jul 27, 2009 at 10:12 PM Anonymous Says:

The family must be so humiliated. Who is this drek's wife? How many kids? How can they go to camp/school with everyone talking about their father? Poor kids.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 10:36 PM Chaim from Baltimore Says:

Mesira Lakum that the RAMBAM talks about is "LAAKUM" thats IDOL worshipers. a democratic elected goverment like the USA is not LAAKUM, its elected official by the people for the people by all voters ,you and me, so its not Mesira Laakum, lets not twist the inyan of mesira ,call this idiot whatever you want just dont twist the inyan of mesira out of context that the rambam writes about

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 10:57 PM Shame Tov Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

The family must be so humiliated. Who is this drek's wife? How many kids? How can they go to camp/school with everyone talking about their father? Poor kids.

Nobody wants pity.
They need compassion and empathy, from those who can take the high road.
If you care about his wife and kids, you would stop discussing this online.
They are entitled to privacy, methinks.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 10:50 PM not a yiddish speaking yid! Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

The family must be so humiliated. Who is this drek's wife? How many kids? How can they go to camp/school with everyone talking about their father? Poor kids.

they arent in camp! they told everyone on wednesday, today is our last day, bye! we're going to the hotel tomorrow!
fbi is hiding them. not sure if they will enter the witness protection program. rumor is that his wife is leaving him... we'll see i guess. HASHEM YERACHEM!!!

46

 Jul 27, 2009 at 11:07 PM Loshon Hora Says:

Reply to #9  
honest man Says:

what about the story of R' Shimon Bar Yochai's son, who caught jewish robbers for the romans and sent them to their deaths? The Gemara in Bava Metzia (7th perek), seems to conclude that it was right to remove the thorns from G-d's Roses. Why is this clearly moser, the law of the government is more just than the roman law to kill thieves! can we speak rationally instead of just jumping to conclusions and killing the messenger?

Af huh Kibeil Yisurim Al atzmo Af al pi Sheomru huh uvnoi boalu naaroh hamerosa beyom hakipurim.
Sorry learning a gemorah like you do, doesn't only border on kefira it is.
BTw did you use Artscroll?

47

 Jul 27, 2009 at 11:01 PM lakewood-mom Says:

oy vey what a mess

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM not a yiddish speaking yid! Says:

Reply to #41  
Anonymous Says:

Bythwy I don't get this whole farsholtene system you beg someone to help you and cash a check etc you make your self for a rachmunes and of course this person tries to push you off untill he can't anymore because his hearth broke and than WOW they all jump out we got him... What kind of corrupted system is this I think the russiens were doing this

what is farsholtene ? from what i understood i think i agreed with you, but for some reason your post really made me laugh. you are right - entrapment is sick!!
hashem yerachem!

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 10:41 PM moshe Says:

Reply to #2  
Dov In Lakewood Says:

The inyan of mesira is not so pushut, 1) if he is a goverment employee then he is doing his job and you cant call him a moser,2) if he is insane and he probly is mentally instable then he has the din of a shoita and he is not responsible for his actions. I am not condoning anything he did, but the halocus of mesira is pretty complicated

Don't be such a lamden the haluche of mesire is not so comlicated if someone could get a inditment of his acts this mesire and its yehareg veal yaver

50

 Jul 27, 2009 at 10:40 PM Sue Says:

His wife pearl is in Lakewood with the five kids, she wants to divorce him

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM misterzee Says:

Bringing th egemarra to further your sinath chinam and to judge the people as guilty based on what?FBI and this lowlife,shame on you.That is the real chillul hashem.If Rosenbaum is such a bad guy,organ seller and all,why do they have zero real cases on him.The FBI has been following him for awhile and all they have is one case where he alledgedly conspired to do the act.Where is your gemarra kup.You believe everything you hear and read and decide it is a chillul hashemAre you stooping to dwecks level?

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 11:18 PM Harry Says:

He should sit shiva his son is a moser and lost his cheluk to Olam Haba. Call him and tell him VIN readers think his son lost his Olam Haba and is considered dead so he should sit shiva.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 11:33 PM BH Says:

BH R Dwek did not seat shiva
a son is a son, in the good ones and in the not good ones
Solomon need lots of help

54

 Jul 27, 2009 at 11:25 PM Anonymous Says:

He called my first cousin on sunday.....& asked her to do something 4 him. She asked a gadol if she should do it & he said "YES,lest he might turn on u 2(close relative)he's testing ur loyalty,don't take a chance"

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 11:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
Oy Vey Says:

Rabbi Dwek is an honorable man, it is terrible that he has to have his name dragged through all this mud. I also think that his son, although I've never met him, was known as a generous baal tzedakah, and we don't know what his nisyonos were so I will not denounce him like everyone else.

He was a generous baal tzedaka from money he stole

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 11:35 PM Anonymous Says:

He couldnt be sitting shiva for his son, as he's not dead (yet). One only sits shiva for a dead relative, not a live one. The assumption that one sits shiva for a person that went off the derech is a mistake, although a very common one. If a Jew goes off the derech and then dies, his family sits shiva for that person because that person is still a jew, no matter what.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 12:43 AM moshe Says:

father should still treat a dead son like a son sheigetz or not

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 11:42 PM green Says:

VINN-thanks for clarifying and glad the father is not sitting shiva. although a terriable thing happened, shiva does not seem the appropriate response. His emotional speech should be enough to see where he stands.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 11:39 PM Anonymous Says:

When I drove to the nursing home where I work this past Friday morning, I had a pit in my stomach in anticipation of the inevitable comments I was sure to receive from my coworkers. The comments came, and it was embarrassing; I didn’t have any good excuse or response to what they were asking about the hypocritical acts of the Rabbis in the Frum community. I was particular wary of a certain coworker, the Italian Catholic lady who is the administrator. She is also from West Long Branch, and all too familiar with the Deal community.

At a quiet moment after a meeting, she pulled me aside, and genuinely expressed that she felt so bad for me and the Frum community as a whole. She understood that we have lofty standards, and have impeccable values, but that the massive Chillul Hash-m that transpired would make people view ALL Frum Yidden with scorn. Growing up she remembers how anytime an Italian Mafioso was caught doing something illegal, her mother would cringe and remark how everyone is going to say that all of the Italians are involved with the Mafia.

She was convinced of the goodness of the Frum community due to her personal experiences with them. She said that when her husband was sick with his final illness, every night when she returned from the hospital, she found supper waiting for her (”in disposable tins, because they couldn’t leave their dishes with me”). When her husband ultimately succumbed to the illness, she said that her priests were of no help to her in trying to cope with her loss. She said comfort came from a local Rabbi’s wife, and then the Rabbi who called and left her a message offering his council whenever she needed it.

She knows some people did things wrong, and who knows what pressure they were under to do what they did, but she concluded that the kindness showed to her, an Italian Catholic, by the Deal community convinced her long ago that the religious Jews are very good decent people. One story was not going to change that.

Who was the couple that made the Kiddush Hash-m that left such lasting impression on her? Rabbi and Mrs. Dwek from Deal, Hash-m should give them strength.

There will unfortunately always be individuals who will commit acts that can potentially drag down Frum Yidden as a whole. The more solidly we cement our reputation as honest upstanding individuals during everyday life, the more likely we will be to protect ourselves from such perceptions in the future. As a whole, we are in galus, and have to suffer through the time tested “Eisav soineh es Yaakov,” but as individuals, we can make tremendous Kiddush Hash-ms in our daily lives that earn us the respect and admiration of those around us.

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 Jul 27, 2009 at 11:55 PM Outraged Says:

For Heaven's sake, some of you speak about shiva and death as if you have no families of your own!If you have children, keep quiet because you never ever know what will happen in the future. Have some compassion for this poor family that they have a son who put them through this anguish and pain.Stop playing the "holier than thou", self righteous and indignant person because you never know....and should never know. The words you speak remind me of the vicious anti-semites out there.Not one shred of mercy- what the heck is wrong with you people?!!!!! These people, families, Rebbis are in shock and turmoil including the Dweck family and they don't need disgusting talk to add more salt.They are all bleeding.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 06:36 AM b"h Says:

Reply to #50  
Sue Says:

His wife pearl is in Lakewood with the five kids, she wants to divorce him

This is the right way she should do we should give her support

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 05:50 AM Anonymous Says:

To #45 and #50-
His wife is standing by his side and does not want to divorce him. She is currently with him, as are their children.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 05:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
Harry Says:

He should sit shiva his son is a moser and lost his cheluk to Olam Haba. Call him and tell him VIN readers think his son lost his Olam Haba and is considered dead so he should sit shiva.

you are heartless. Give the Rabbi some privacy in his difficult time. Hopefully he has friends and family to turn to, and not VIN posters.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 07:18 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
honest man Says:

what about the story of R' Shimon Bar Yochai's son, who caught jewish robbers for the romans and sent them to their deaths? The Gemara in Bava Metzia (7th perek), seems to conclude that it was right to remove the thorns from G-d's Roses. Why is this clearly moser, the law of the government is more just than the roman law to kill thieves! can we speak rationally instead of just jumping to conclusions and killing the messenger?

Sorry, the Gemara concludes that R ' Yehoshua firmly protested his action. The Ramba"m rules like R' Yehoshua. In addition, the Gemoro concludes that all Rabonim of his time were angry at R' Elozor, and wouldn't even had buried him.
And finally, R' Elozor was like a Policeman, not someone who caused people to stumble.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 07:16 AM jim mize Says:

How can we even think that rabbi dwek did not know what his son was doing.in the beginning he went around raising money for his real estate deals not for deal yeshiva. Now he claims his son decided to be moser on his own. Sorry but that is garbage. He knows the shul will not make him resign and shortly it will blow over. He knew he was giving up people and to think otherwise is to be ignorant of the situation

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 07:06 AM mnachem Says:

Reply to #2  
Dov In Lakewood Says:

The inyan of mesira is not so pushut, 1) if he is a goverment employee then he is doing his job and you cant call him a moser,2) if he is insane and he probly is mentally instable then he has the din of a shoita and he is not responsible for his actions. I am not condoning anything he did, but the halocus of mesira is pretty complicated

1] do you have to work lyfnim mshyras hodyn?
2] shoita user lrachem ulov

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 07:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
Sue Says:

His wife pearl is in Lakewood with the five kids, she wants to divorce him

It's too bad that she can't divorce him unless he agrees to it.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 07:27 AM Anonymous Says:

i wish you all would realize that the rabbi is most certainly demonstrating double standards, regardless of all the sermons he gives, until the rabbi refuses to sit Shivah he is simply demonstrating to the rest of klal yisroel that it is totally acceptable to be an outright musar. its about time that he takes full responsibility in accordance with the Torah, otherwise he is simply no Jewish leader whatsoever.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 07:26 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #41  
Anonymous Says:

Bythwy I don't get this whole farsholtene system you beg someone to help you and cash a check etc you make your self for a rachmunes and of course this person tries to push you off untill he can't anymore because his hearth broke and than WOW they all jump out we got him... What kind of corrupted system is this I think the russiens were doing this

The system is not farsholtene, it is the people who abuse it that are farsholtene. The recipients of the dough knew that it came from illegal activity, and for you people from BP & Willi, that means "ill-gotten gains", which no honest person should ever touch.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 07:48 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #38  
Anonymous Says:

He should not sit shiva his son the DREK could stop co-operate with the feds and do tshva so the whole cass will fall apart DO TSHUVA MR DWEK

good point maybe we should not be harsh on hin now and try to convince him to testify in court that these rabbis did not wanna do anything illigal.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 08:09 AM rachmonus? Says:

Reply to #41  
Anonymous Says:

Bythwy I don't get this whole farsholtene system you beg someone to help you and cash a check etc you make your self for a rachmunes and of course this person tries to push you off untill he can't anymore because his hearth broke and than WOW they all jump out we got him... What kind of corrupted system is this I think the russiens were doing this

Just a quick question: everyone says that Drek begged for rachmonus that he can't feed his family, how do you guys know that? The feds say that all in all they laundered around $3,000,000, which knowing the feds I am sure that its vastly exaggerated, but let's say it was $1,000,000, and even if its over the course 2 years, that is alot of money and not just money to feed his family.

Disclaimer: I am not condoning what he did, he is a filthy snitch and should be dealt with accordingly, im just trying to understand.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 08:13 AM ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

So the emphasis on his sermon was the disgrace of one jew ratting out on another, and not on the the crimes these Jews commited? Seems backwards to me

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 08:16 AM Deal Resident Says:

His wife pearl is in a predicament ,1) They have claims that they were wronged and it might be legit claims 2) His wife pearl claims that this whole fiasco would not have happened,she claims that this all started when his own uncle started a criminal complain in court against her husband solomon back in 2006 3) like in every case there is one side of the story,then there is the other side of the story,then there is the loshon hora side that is totally false, 4) unpredictable mistakes happened here , Decisions were made under pressure and in heat of the moment that should never have happened 5) so folks keep it cool do not Judge , what does it say in peruk. Al todin es chaivero at shetagia lemkomai" no one is happy with this outcome this story is not yet finished it will evolve and it might even go back in a different direction.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 08:14 AM Farsholtene Says:

Reply to #48  
not a yiddish speaking yid! Says:

what is farsholtene ? from what i understood i think i agreed with you, but for some reason your post really made me laugh. you are right - entrapment is sick!!
hashem yerachem!

Farsholtene = Cursed.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 08:39 AM Big Deal Says:

they are practicing aveilos...i know for a fact - they are not eating meat, listening to music, doing laundry.on thurs he will sit on the ground & recite kinus.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 08:38 AM Kahan George Says:

Reply to #36  
bayshanim! Says:

thank you sherlock holmes! if only we were all as smart as you.
the fact is, the rabbanim were entrapped by shlomo dwek. he tried to do it to rav david yosef too, but he didnt budge. he made them feel sorry for him. he took advantage of the rachmanut that these rabbis had as jews, something many of this site's posters are unfortunately lacking.
i know those rabbis personally and they are NOT criminals. they work tirelessly for the good of the community. i've said it a million times and i'll say it again - WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED HERE. i advise you to pray that hashem will be a kinder judge to u than u have been to these rabbis!
dwek, on the other hand, was in trouble. instead of doing his time like a mentsch for the INSANE acts he is known to have committed (keep in mind 3 years have passed since), as his business partner sat the past 3 years and has recently completed his sentence and began a fresh slate with his family and a new job, NO - mr. dwek instead decided to be a moser - a crime for which the chofetz chaim states there is NO kapara - unlike chillul hashem, for which death atones, a moser will continue to burn even after the fuel in gehenom runs out! the saintly kind chofetz chaim tells us this! there is a BIG difference here - WHERE is the yirat Shamayim?? where is hashem in his brain right now?? his was thinking ONLY about himself!!!! what a shameful creature, i pity him! and i feel sorry for the holy rabbis who trusted him. one of which is a very close friend of his fathers and knows him since he was a small child! another man entrapped, solomons close friend since he was a young boy! hashem yerachem on his poor neshama! he gave in to his taava for money. and boy did it pay off. let this serve as an example for anyone who finds himself loving money. this can turn into a disease. he is a very smart man,. a genius even as a child. and look where it got him. first stealing from his neighbors and friends, and now this. hashem yerachem.

you sir are blinded, If your Rabbis were as holy as you say they would have instructed
shlomo the thief to return his money to the victims he took it from! many of these victims have been waiting for the last 3 yrs for justice and all this time the Rabbi's (who) the victims were crying too about their pain and suffering were dealing with shlomo and taking their 10% commision, hashem does not want us to sit here like idiots and rationalize our rabbi's action's , as last years episode with the rubishkins shows our rabbi's have been corrupted

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 08:34 AM Jimmy37 Says:

We've got a problem here. A goniff is a goniff and deena demalchuseh deena.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 08:46 AM Allan Says:

Reply to #11  
Jay O. Says:

In my humble opinion the problem here is that the people who are complaining loudly that Dweck is "moser" don't really care about the fact that he may have committed the avayrah of "moser". If they cared about that avayrah, they would also care about the chillul hashem that the targets of the "moser" have caused and the aveyros they committed. What is really going on here is simply this: people don't like snitches. It just sounds better (and holier) to use the lashon hakodesh word "moser" rather than "snitch". The problem is that by focusing their wrath on the snitcher rather than on the snitchee(s) they are in essence acting no different than those who live in the inner city and are criticized for refusing to testify against drive-by shooters. So why don't those of you who keep calling Dweck a "moser" stop pretending that you are angry because you think he did an avayrah and just admit that you don't like "snitches." You'll feel better.

Great post..your word's are well chosen.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 11:41 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #62  
Anonymous Says:

To #45 and #50-
His wife is standing by his side and does not want to divorce him. She is currently with him, as are their children.

they are welcome to canada. sephardim here are very forgiving.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 11:47 AM Anonymous Says:


Rabbi Dwek: I'm Not Sitting Shiva
Why Not ???

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM Michelle Says:

Reply to #50  
Sue Says:

His wife pearl is in Lakewood with the five kids, she wants to divorce him

what are your sources???? i dont believe they are in lakewood. im pretty sure they are with him, at least for the time being.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 12:19 PM Deal Resident Says:

1. We only know what we read and hear.

2. What is printed and spoken is by flawed human beings. (Aren't we all?)

3. We do not know what each of us would do in any of their shoes.

4. We should treat them as we would like to be treated if found in similar circumstances.

5. We should learn lessons and grow from this both individually and as a people.

6. We put people up on their pedestals. Let's not be so harsh to them when it's time to take them down; for it is within us all to test the limits of power. Absolute power currupts absolutely.

May Hash-m bless us all with peace, wisdom, health, joy and unity.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 01:50 PM captain obvious Says:

Reply to #9  
honest man Says:

what about the story of R' Shimon Bar Yochai's son, who caught jewish robbers for the romans and sent them to their deaths? The Gemara in Bava Metzia (7th perek), seems to conclude that it was right to remove the thorns from G-d's Roses. Why is this clearly moser, the law of the government is more just than the roman law to kill thieves! can we speak rationally instead of just jumping to conclusions and killing the messenger?

in that case r' shimon bar yohai was not also a robber catching other robbers in order to escape his own incarceration.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 03:13 PM shmuel Says:

how did the press get pictures of the arrest if the FBI didnt turn it into a media circus/setup

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 03:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #84  
shmuel Says:

how did the press get pictures of the arrest if the FBI didnt turn it into a media circus/setup

how can you call this a setup? there is ample evidence that these men committed crimes...

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 03:55 PM sorry, wrong. Says:

Reply to #78  
Allan Says:

Great post..your word's are well chosen.

that is, in your opinion. what you see as great, well-chosen words, someone else may see differently. like, say, as the over-confident ramblings of an over-thinking know-it-all with too much time on his hands.
again, just an opinion.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 04:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Solomon Dwek knew exactly what he was doing when he entrapped his victims at the behest of the FBI to save his own skin. He used self-pity and his fathers good name to convince people to "help" him feed his family and hide his ficticious ill-gotten gains, making the rabbis accomplices to his crimes as well. Whether or not the accused rabbis and others who were arrested have been at this forever or even once, it was wrong. BUT THERE IS NO WAY ON G-D'S GOOD EARTH THAT THAT P.O.S. SOLOMON SHOULD HAVE EVER SET THEM UP LIKE THAT!!!! I hope he's happy that the entire Jewish community (not just the Syrians) will come under investigation for every check every one of us wrote to a charity, legit or not. He should hang himself on Norwood Avenue!!! I'll even provide the giant inflatible rat for the festivities.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 04:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Solomon Dwek knew exactly what he was doing when he entrapped his victims at the behest of the FBI to save his own skin. He used self-pity and his fathers good name to convince people to "help" him feed his family and hide his ficticious ill-gotten gains, making the rabbis accomplices to his crimes as well. Whether or not the accused rabbis and others who were arrested have been at this forever or even once, it was wrong. BUT THERE IS NO WAY ON G-D'S GOOD EARTH THAT THAT P.O.S. SOLOMON SHOULD HAVE EVER SET THEM UP LIKE THAT!!!! I hope he's happy that the entire Jewish community (not just the Syrians) will come under investigation for every check every one of us wrote to a charity, legit or not. He should hang himself on Norwood Avenue!!! I'll even provide the giant inflatible rat for the festivities.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 04:42 PM hwsg Says:

I think these ppl r good ppl that r struggling to make ends meet. except of course for the kidney guy hes a little sick..... never judge another person who needs bread on his table.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 06:04 PM A Pushita Yid Says:

Reply to #69  
Anonymous Says:

The system is not farsholtene, it is the people who abuse it that are farsholtene. The recipients of the dough knew that it came from illegal activity, and for you people from BP & Willi, that means "ill-gotten gains", which no honest person should ever touch.

I agree! I'm glad there still are some people with their heads screwed on straight.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 09:03 PM firsthand Says:

he did not renounce his son, but he couldn't say his name either. he referred to him as "the other fellow" and stated that any negative things anyone has to say he's accepting, anything negative about himself he accepts this decree of humiliation from hashem, and anything anyone has to say about "the other fellow" he accepts and he says 100 times worse. he said that "what happened" (i.e.. what shlomo did) was disgusting, despicable, and absolutely UNFORGIVABLE. he stated that as every year we all get up motza'ei tisha b'av and look forward to a happy future, this is a tisha b'av he does not think he will be able to get up from.
he also said he will with Hashem's help he plans on addressing the community again in the future.

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 Jul 28, 2009 at 09:57 PM Charles Hall Says:

Rabbi Hershel Schachter on mesirah:

"If...one is guilty of a crime, and according to the law of the land deserves a prison sentence, or will be put to death, even though according to Jewish law his punishment would not be as severe, this is not mesirah (see Ritva to Bava Metsia 83b; Dvar Avraham vol. I pg. 8). One would still not be allowed to hand this individual over to the civil authorities because this is the equivalent of returning aveidas akum, which is usually not allowed. In an instance of avoiding a chilul Hashem, just like we would be obligated to return the aveidas akum, so too we would be obligated to hand over this individual (see Rama, Choshen Mishpat 388:12)."

http://www.torahweb.org/torah/special/2007/rsch_mesirah.html

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 Jul 29, 2009 at 09:31 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Hopefully, the real truth will now come out that the rav did not denounce his son but rather gave legitimate musar to the olam that the midos of klal yisroel need to change. While I'm sure he does not approve of his son's actions, the willingness of so many yiddin within his community to break the law for a few dollars shows greed is alive and well.

Reply to #3, i quote you" the willingness of so many yiddin within his community to break the law",
so many, what percentage of the Sephardic Community is that ?...how many Sephardic jews broke the law in this case, that you cosciously can say so many ??
also please keep in mind " Innocent till proven guilty ??"

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 Jul 29, 2009 at 01:50 PM anonymous Says:

i think he took revenge on the rabbis his father lost the kollel his boys yeshiva his sister closed her yeshiva because of lack of moneys from the community and the rabbis

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 Aug 08, 2009 at 10:12 PM mosh1 Says:

I dont understand how can man be convinced for acts he didnt commit? After all check and all was only a fake!

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 Aug 16, 2009 at 02:14 PM Anonymous Says:

If no one from outside is allowed in community and everyone sticks together and no one turns against the next... Did not Rabbi Dwek have any idea how his son became so wealthy, did he not learn from his father and his community of rabbis, did he not go to Yeshiva inside community. So, for him to denounce his son he would have to denounce himself and his community. It takes a village to raise a child and he is part of the village and a very secular village too hence a product of his community. It is so sad that the most powerful of rabbi's all in Syrain community are part of the scandal, this is not a witch hunt , this came within a community amongst yourself.. sad, sad, There is no scripture of any kind that states there is a monetary fee to enter the gates of paradise yet the community is so engrossed in wealth , look at the homes of even the rabbi's and it never enough...sad sad

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 Feb 06, 2010 at 09:02 PM Anonymous Says:

i know rabbi dweck and he is not evil like his son so dont go accusing him for the shame that his son has caused us!!!!

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 Feb 06, 2010 at 09:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #97  
Anonymous Says:

i know rabbi dweck and he is not evil like his son so dont go accusing him for the shame that his son has caused us!!!!

you know what who ever wrote that is 100000000000% right and those that dont know rabbi dweck dont say any thing dumb he is nothing like his son

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 Jun 20, 2010 at 09:22 AM Josh Says:

Reply to #11  
Jay O. Says:

In my humble opinion the problem here is that the people who are complaining loudly that Dweck is "moser" don't really care about the fact that he may have committed the avayrah of "moser". If they cared about that avayrah, they would also care about the chillul hashem that the targets of the "moser" have caused and the aveyros they committed. What is really going on here is simply this: people don't like snitches. It just sounds better (and holier) to use the lashon hakodesh word "moser" rather than "snitch". The problem is that by focusing their wrath on the snitcher rather than on the snitchee(s) they are in essence acting no different than those who live in the inner city and are criticized for refusing to testify against drive-by shooters. So why don't those of you who keep calling Dweck a "moser" stop pretending that you are angry because you think he did an avayrah and just admit that you don't like "snitches." You'll feel better.

People may not like snitches as you say, but in this case the moser is completely prejudice because it specifically states a jew not snitching on a jew to a non-jew. How frightening for a population as us that suffered at the hands of discrimination to foster such thinking. If someone is committing a crime (jew or non-jew) I think god says it is wrong. If I know it is wrong and I am asked about it, should I become a liar?

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