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Jul 27, 2009 at 09:03 PM
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Men who use the mikveh on a daily basis who previously swiped a magnetic card to enter the mikveh can now have a machine read their fingerprint to gain entrance to the mikveh.
Officials from the Skverrer community stated that the biometric machines are cost-cutting measures which eliminate the need to distribute magnetic cards to subscribers.
The operators said that another advantage in using the hi-tech device is that it will prevent the legitimate subscriber from passing his card to another family member, which could rob the mikveh facilities of entrance fees.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 09:23 PM Cadd9 Says:
I am never able to understand the super high security in mikvaos. Wouldn't someone who wants purity and holiness be concerned about purity in his finances too?
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Jul 27, 2009 at 09:19 PM shlemiel Says:
"which could rob the mikveh facilities of entrance fees."
Come on now... this isn't exactly a private gym. After paying for a monthly card, which is programmed that u can swipe it only once a day, if someone gives the card to a family member he didn't "rob"... gimmie a break. The mikva was built from public funds to begin with so please cut em (the public) some slack.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 09:14 PM Anonymous Says:
one good way of making money a KOSHER way
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Jul 27, 2009 at 09:09 PM Clean Mikvah Says:
I am taking now an airplane to the mikvah
אגב, כאן המקום להעיר כל מי שאינו רוחץ לפני שנכנס למקוה כפי תקנת כל מקוה הרי הוא מחטיא את הרבים - שגורם שהרבה בני אדם אינם הולכים כלל למקוה
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Jul 27, 2009 at 09:37 PM zaidey green Says:
“ I am never able to understand the super high security in mikvaos. Wouldn't someone who wants purity and holiness be concerned about purity in his finances too?
”
Its just away to keep track, save money and keep control!
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Jul 27, 2009 at 09:36 PM shabbos Says:
how does this technology work with shabbos
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Jul 27, 2009 at 09:46 PM Anonymous Says:
Will this keep pedophiles out too.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 09:45 PM zeidey greenbean Says:
“ "which could rob the mikveh facilities of entrance fees."
Come on now... this isn't exactly a private gym. After paying for a monthly card, which is programmed that u can swipe it only once a day, if someone gives the card to a family member he didn't "rob"... gimmie a break. The mikva was built from public funds to begin with so please cut em (the public) some slack. ”
They have the right to make whatever rules they like. If you don't like it, take a dip somewhere else! As they say: 1800-who-cares!
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Jul 27, 2009 at 09:45 PM gabai Says:
“ "which could rob the mikveh facilities of entrance fees."
Come on now... this isn't exactly a private gym. After paying for a monthly card, which is programmed that u can swipe it only once a day, if someone gives the card to a family member he didn't "rob"... gimmie a break. The mikva was built from public funds to begin with so please cut em (the public) some slack. ”
you have no idea how much it cost to run a mikve towels soap cleaning
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Jul 27, 2009 at 09:42 PM Anonymous Says:
“ "which could rob the mikveh facilities of entrance fees."
Come on now... this isn't exactly a private gym. After paying for a monthly card, which is programmed that u can swipe it only once a day, if someone gives the card to a family member he didn't "rob"... gimmie a break. The mikva was built from public funds to begin with so please cut em (the public) some slack. ”
your kids yeshiva was also built from public funds so maybe all your kids and grand kids should not jhave to pay tuition !
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:06 PM Anonymous Says:
“ how does this technology work with shabbos ”
We go to the mikvah 8 times per week. This works 7 times out of 8.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:00 PM Anonymous Says:
“ how does this technology work with shabbos ”
6, you must be an am haooretz! Everyone knows that it is ooser to go to the mikveh on shabbos due to all the melooches involved (sechita, bishul, borer etc.) maybe if you'd pick up the shoolchen arooch instead of messing around with these farshtunkeneh blogs you could make something of yourself!!
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:24 PM Anonymous Says:
All I know is that the skvere rebbe didn't let to put a gate in the new square mikvah he didn't want people to miss a mikvah
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:21 PM Anonymous Says:
“ 6, you must be an am haooretz! Everyone knows that it is ooser to go to the mikveh on shabbos due to all the melooches involved (sechita, bishul, borer etc.) maybe if you'd pick up the shoolchen arooch instead of messing around with these farshtunkeneh blogs you could make something of yourself!! ”
How come your w.... Is allowed go to mikvah on shabbos? Then you wouldn't say that?! Ha!
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:15 PM Anonymous Says:
“ how does this technology work with shabbos ”
Prior comment was truncated...of course there is no chiyuv to ever go to mikvah on shabbos kodesh so there is no "shabbos issue"
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:13 PM Anonymous Says:
“ how does this technology work with shabbos ”
The laws of mikvah take priority over shabbos...if you are obligated to go to mikvah, you must go and minimize and shabbos issues.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:11 PM Anonymous Says:
“ We go to the mikvah 8 times per week. This works 7 times out of 8. ”
really .. what about shabbos
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:32 PM avy avy Says:
“ 6, you must be an am haooretz! Everyone knows that it is ooser to go to the mikveh on shabbos due to all the melooches involved (sechita, bishul, borer etc.) maybe if you'd pick up the shoolchen arooch instead of messing around with these farshtunkeneh blogs you could make something of yourself!! ”
the answer on his question is that they unlock the door on shabbos
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:59 PM so what Says:
so what... "dushinsky day spa" or mikvah b'laz has had this equiptment for a long time alreadry. additionally this type of thing does tend to keep out the unwanted. i agree we do pay more for it- 15 sheks, but it's clean,you get a towel,soap and a sponge, and there are heated floors so the place doesn't look like a mud bath by 3 pm on erev shabbos.
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Jul 27, 2009 at 11:06 PM Just to clarify! Says:
Are you that dumb?! #6 is innocent and asked a question. No need to bash him/ her. The answer is SIMPLE! "The machine is shut on Shabbos, and the doors are open, therefore you are not required to place your finger there,. Very Simple!
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:29 PM Anonymous Says:
“ 6, you must be an am haooretz! Everyone knows that it is ooser to go to the mikveh on shabbos due to all the melooches involved (sechita, bishul, borer etc.) maybe if you'd pick up the shoolchen arooch instead of messing around with these farshtunkeneh blogs you could make something of yourself!! ”
Plenty of people go to the mikvah on shabbos
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM Anonymous Says:
“ 6, you must be an am haooretz! Everyone knows that it is ooser to go to the mikveh on shabbos due to all the melooches involved (sechita, bishul, borer etc.) maybe if you'd pick up the shoolchen arooch instead of messing around with these farshtunkeneh blogs you could make something of yourself!! ”
I guess you know better then all the rabbonim that went shabbos to the mikvah , you shtick dweck
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:27 PM Skverah Chased Says:
reply to 11 in SKVER they go Tishah Bav also. so its 8 times
they go 5 minuits before Tzes kochovim
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Jul 27, 2009 at 10:25 PM Anonymous Says:
“ 6, you must be an am haooretz! Everyone knows that it is ooser to go to the mikveh on shabbos due to all the melooches involved (sechita, bishul, borer etc.) maybe if you'd pick up the shoolchen arooch instead of messing around with these farshtunkeneh blogs you could make something of yourself!! ”
you obviously are not of chasidic stock .. those of us who are would not dare daven on shabbos / yom tov etc without dipping first
the question remains .. how does this work on shabbos (for those of us who are of proper stock)
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Jul 28, 2009 at 01:59 AM duh Says:
“ you obviously are not of chasidic stock .. those of us who are would not dare daven on shabbos / yom tov etc without dipping first
the question remains .. how does this work on shabbos (for those of us who are of proper stock) ”
just like every mikva with a magnetic card!
on shabbos it's free and the turnstile's unlocked!
btw why's this story so noteworthy? Dushinsky mikva in Yerushalayim has had a fingerprint reader for 2 years already
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Jul 28, 2009 at 01:37 AM joycekane Says:
Plenty of people go to the mikvah on shabbos
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Jul 27, 2009 at 11:48 PM Anonymous Says:
What's the big deal with this finger prints reader?!
The Mikva in Belz Shul in B. P. on 13 & 43 is using this finger print system for years!
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Jul 28, 2009 at 06:36 AM Anonymous Says:
“ 6, you must be an am haooretz! Everyone knows that it is ooser to go to the mikveh on shabbos due to all the melooches involved (sechita, bishul, borer etc.) maybe if you'd pick up the shoolchen arooch instead of messing around with these farshtunkeneh blogs you could make something of yourself!! ”
Your the blogging am haaretz. of course men go to the mikva on shabbos. wat about w...? perhaps you have an updated shulchan oruch just for you anti religious to use. check the facts again.
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Jul 28, 2009 at 06:07 AM VusIzDusIshtekhoo Says:
“ How come your w.... Is allowed go to mikvah on shabbos? Then you wouldn't say that?! Ha! ”
Regarding your use of "w..." for the "w"-word:
A rebbe was learning parshas Noiach with his talmidim:
*צא מן־התבה אתה ואשׁתך
Tzei - leave
mit hateivo - the ark
atoh - you
ve-ishtekho - and ishtecho
* "Rebbe, what does ishtekho mean'"
* "How so?, Ishtekho is ishtekho!"
* "But, Rebbe, how do you say it in Yiddish?"
* "Eh, uhm, well, ishtekho is something your father has, and I have, and when you grow up, you'll have it, too ;-)"
[child thinks] ...
* "רבי, איך ווייס, א פוקל!" ("Rebbe, I know ... a hunchback!")
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Jul 28, 2009 at 07:00 AM mnachem Says:
what a shame peapole going to the mykva then they take a shower
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Jul 28, 2009 at 05:12 AM Anonymous Says:
“ What's the big deal with this finger prints reader?!
The Mikva in Belz Shul in B. P. on 13 & 43 is using this finger print system for years! ”
Never mind the thing about finger prints, I bet you never knew Skver has a mikva in Petach Tikva! - that's the purpose of this article
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Jul 28, 2009 at 08:18 AM Anonymous Says:
Isn't it a shame that a mikva which is used for holy purposes by people who are supposedly FRUM and would not think of eating treif, has to go to such high tech methods to keep the olem from abusing & in effect stealing services, like when you copy a CD for someone or load a computer program that you borrowed from your friend. I am not making a blanket condemnation merely an observation that given the opportunity a frum Yid will take advantage of the mikva and it is widespread enough that in order not to lose money they have to good to these ends. Simply AMAZING!
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Jul 28, 2009 at 08:32 AM Jimmy37 Says:
Wow what a chilul hashem. Yidden stealing mikvah services. Does one negate the other?
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Jul 28, 2009 at 08:48 AM Anonymous Says:
“ "which could rob the mikveh facilities of entrance fees."
Come on now... this isn't exactly a private gym. After paying for a monthly card, which is programmed that u can swipe it only once a day, if someone gives the card to a family member he didn't "rob"... gimmie a break. The mikva was built from public funds to begin with so please cut em (the public) some slack. ”
Do you have any idea what it costs to maintain a mikveh?
All mikvoas are a money loosing entity so if there is some way for them to control it let them!
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Jul 28, 2009 at 08:43 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Isn't it a shame that a mikva which is used for holy purposes by people who are supposedly FRUM and would not think of eating treif, has to go to such high tech methods to keep the olem from abusing & in effect stealing services, like when you copy a CD for someone or load a computer program that you borrowed from your friend. I am not making a blanket condemnation merely an observation that given the opportunity a frum Yid will take advantage of the mikva and it is widespread enough that in order not to lose money they have to good to these ends. Simply AMAZING! ”
I run a men's mikveh out of town. The number of users is rather small, so it is not cost effective to install gates, and card readers or the like. Unfortunately there are too many who take advantage and do not pay. For one who does not run a mikveh, the costs may seem small, but they add up: water, heat, chemicals (chlorine or bromine), cleaning, towels, etc. When I use the mikveh myself, I often check the pushka on my way in. I see people come in without paying. I don't say anything not to embarass them if they intend to pay on the way out. I leave to daven and sometimes check the pushka again after davening - empty! Did they pay twice the day before? Do they intend to pay twice tomorrow? Sometimes the pushka is empty all week (regulars usually pay by the month or year). Unfortunately, there is only one logical conclusion. I know of a mikveh in Brooklyn that lowered the price after installing gates. When users were forced to pay, the income increased enough that those who paid no longer had to subsidize those who did not. In an ideal world, we would all realize that we are always being watched by the "One" who really counts, and gates, card readers, fingerprint devices, etc. would be unnecessary.
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Jul 28, 2009 at 09:08 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I run a men's mikveh out of town. The number of users is rather small, so it is not cost effective to install gates, and card readers or the like. Unfortunately there are too many who take advantage and do not pay. For one who does not run a mikveh, the costs may seem small, but they add up: water, heat, chemicals (chlorine or bromine), cleaning, towels, etc. When I use the mikveh myself, I often check the pushka on my way in. I see people come in without paying. I don't say anything not to embarass them if they intend to pay on the way out. I leave to daven and sometimes check the pushka again after davening - empty! Did they pay twice the day before? Do they intend to pay twice tomorrow? Sometimes the pushka is empty all week (regulars usually pay by the month or year). Unfortunately, there is only one logical conclusion. I know of a mikveh in Brooklyn that lowered the price after installing gates. When users were forced to pay, the income increased enough that those who paid no longer had to subsidize those who did not. In an ideal world, we would all realize that we are always being watched by the "One" who really counts, and gates, card readers, fingerprint devices, etc. would be unnecessary. ”
Dear Sir, I totally understand your position and that of all mikva operators, I just find it unfathomable that the people who use the mikva, have no problem with not paying or with letting someone esle use their card. This is no different from stealing or shop lifting or changing the prices on items in the grocery. Forgive my naivete I just thought that men who use the mikva should be above things like I mentioned.
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Jul 28, 2009 at 09:50 AM Yehuda Says:
“ Isn't it a shame that a mikva which is used for holy purposes by people who are supposedly FRUM and would not think of eating treif, has to go to such high tech methods to keep the olem from abusing & in effect stealing services, like when you copy a CD for someone or load a computer program that you borrowed from your friend. I am not making a blanket condemnation merely an observation that given the opportunity a frum Yid will take advantage of the mikva and it is widespread enough that in order not to lose money they have to good to these ends. Simply AMAZING! ”
You should see how some people sacrifice to go to the mikvah. You have 2-3 people pay one fare & squeeze int thru the gate. When you tell them it is gneivah & the tevilla is not worth anything they look at you like you are from mars.
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Jul 28, 2009 at 09:47 AM Yehuda Says:
“ All I know is that the skvere rebbe didn't let to put a gate in the new square mikvah he didn't want people to miss a mikvah ”
True. But there I believe it is a communal project paid for by the community. Most other mikvas are in shuls or yeshivas who have to pay for the hot water, maintenance, cleanling, towels, sopa, etc from their own funds. They are basically providing a service which if not paid for will end up being closed.
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Jul 28, 2009 at 09:45 AM Yehuda Says:
“ 6, you must be an am haooretz! Everyone knows that it is ooser to go to the mikveh on shabbos due to all the melooches involved (sechita, bishul, borer etc.) maybe if you'd pick up the shoolchen arooch instead of messing around with these farshtunkeneh blogs you could make something of yourself!! ”
Excuse me. But before you call someone an am haaretz do your homework. There are many people who go to the mikvah on Shabbos and they are allowed to do so according to halocha.
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Jul 28, 2009 at 09:42 AM Yehuda Says:
“ Will this keep pedophiles out too.
”
No they can pay a fee & go in.
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Jul 28, 2009 at 09:42 AM Yehuda Says:
“ how does this technology work with shabbos ”
Shabbos the door is open. Anyone can go in. Officially one should have paid erev shabbos to be able to use the mikva shabbos. Those who have monthly or yearly memberships already paid for use for the whole month or year so again they can go in & toivel on Shabbos
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Jul 28, 2009 at 11:02 AM Anonymous Says:
As far as I know there are no skver chasidim in Petach Tikvah and no skver shul & mikveh, nor any skver institution in that town. This must be some mistake, or it's a different skver not affiliated with the "New Square Skver".
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Jul 28, 2009 at 11:30 AM Anonymous Says:
it is also meant to keep undesirables out of their think a little deeper vihamavin yovin