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Sullivan County, NY - In the Catskills this summer, worries about children’s safety are extending beyond the swimming pool.
Yehuda Kolko, the rebbe who pleaded guilty to two counts of child endangerment and who is suspected of abusing dozens of children in his teaching career, moved into a summer home at a development in South Fallsburg, N.Y., on June 12. Pines Estates, where he is renting, is a popular summer destination for Orthodox families and is also inhabited year-round by families connected to the well-known Yeshiva of South Fallsburg, nearby.
On Kolko’s first Friday night there, a summer resident aware of Kolko’s history confronted him in the shul during Maariv and told him to leave the neighborhood quietly, a witness said. When Kolko refused, the man interrupted the tefilah to announce from the bima that Kolko was a child molester and posed a danger to children. When congregants protested, the man at the bima, a student of Rav Dovid Feinstein, replied with multiple Halachic sources to support his action, one of which was Masechet Chullin 8a, which discusses the need to be strict when it comes to matters of danger.
The next day, Shabbat morning, at the Yeshiva of South Fallsburg nearby, the same witness said Kolko was welcomed and called to the Torah for an Aliyah.
Daniel Sosnowik, a resident of Pines Estates who has an eight-year-old son, was shocked. Sosnowik is a captain in the New York City Police Department.
“We have hundreds of kids here,” Sosnowik told the Jewish Star, “Kolko doesn’t belong here.”
When Sosnowik spoke to the gabbai of the yeshiva minyan he was told that Rabbi Tzvi Abba Gorelick, the dean and owner of Yeshiva of South Fallsburg, had declared Kolko to be “kosher.” That night, residents of Pines Estates visited Kolko and apologized for their neighbor’s actions the previous night. When Sosnowik met with Rabbi Gorelick to express his concerns Rabbi Gorelick maintained that the yeshiva must be “neutral” regarding Kolko, Sosnowik recalled. He quoted Rabbi Gorelick as saying that the issue was complicated by the “stigma” associated with child abuse.
One of Kolko’s sons attended Yeshiva of South Fallsburg, Sosnowik said he was told.
“Am I the only one crazy here?” Sosnowik asked, “How could parents do this? How could yeshiva leaders do this?”
Rabbi Elya Ber Wachtfogel, the rosh yeshiva, vigorously denied that Kolko was welcomed.
“We just said we can’t throw him out; nobody knows him!” he exclaimed. “I don’t even know him! I met him for the first time!
People are making these assumptions [about the yeshiva's dealings with Kolko], they are making up things. I heard years ago about him [Kolko]. Some people say yes, people say no…”
Asked if he felt Kolko was a threat to children, Rabbi Wachtfogel replied, “I don’t know.”
“You can ask Binyamin Hirsch,” Rabbi Wachtfogel said, then hung up.
He was apparently referring to Ben Hirsch, president of Survivors for Justice, an organization that advocates for and assists victims of child and sexual abuse in the Orthodox community.
Chaim Bloom, who attends the Yeshiva of South Fallsburg Kollel and lives in Pines Estates said that he wasn’t comfortable with Kolko being around.
“I try to keep away from these things. To be honest, that’s why I live in South Fallsburg and not Lakewood,” he explained. “I didn’t welcome him. I’d never welcome a child molester.”
“I think people are paranoid or afraid of him because of the label he’s been given, which has never been proven in a court of law,” said Jeffrey Schwartz, the attorney who defended Kolko against three criminal charges. “That has nothing to do with any sex-related offense. He was not registered as a sex offender. He never did admit to any sexually inappropriate conduct to any child.”
Schwartz added that he believed that Kolko posed no danger and was “just a sick old man, and should be left alone.” He would let Kolko be with his own kids, he claimed.
Before moving to Pines Estates, Kolko lived in the summer-home community of Mesorah Woods in Woodridge, NY. On July 5, a community activist, Rabbi Levi Goldenberg, said he was asked by a concerned parent to help get Kolko out of the community. He described the parent as “very anxious.”
“They seemed afraid of the guy,” he said. “The women were very concerned, watching their kids and not allowing them out of their sight.”
Goldenberg said there were no legal means to force Kolko out of Mesorah Woods, since Kolko’s plea deal with the Brooklyn District Attorney’s office did not require him to register under Megan’s Law, the registry of convicted predators.
“Maybe he did teshuva,” one resident told Goldenberg, “but let him do teshuva somewhere else.” Kolko was persuaded to leave Mesorah Woods and moved to the Pines Estates on July 12th.
Sosnowik, the NYPD captain, was disheartened by the entire episode.
“Kolko pleaded guilty to child abuse charges. He didn’t have to. He is guilty. If it’s good enough for the criminal justice system it should be good enough for us.”
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Jul 29, 2009 at 03:37 PM Anonymous Says:
Guess where i WILL NOT be spending any time this summer
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Jul 29, 2009 at 03:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Guess where i WILL NOT be spending any time this summer ”
Uhm....neverland ranch?
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Jul 29, 2009 at 04:06 PM Anonymous Says:
what a shame
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Jul 29, 2009 at 04:06 PM a disgrace Says:
it is time he should be made to live in a community with old age people
anyone that allows him near kids should be ashamed and has no right to call himself a rabbi
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Jul 29, 2009 at 04:04 PM Anonymous Says:
They should paint this guys door red it will get him out of there quick enough I am surprised that the yeshiva is not working to get him out.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 04:03 PM Jack Says:
Chabdeihu V'cashdeihu but safeguard our children.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 04:02 PM Reality Check Says:
We don't have the bais hamikdash.
We don't have the sanhedrin.
We don't have Arei Miklat.
May we be zoche to clarity very soon.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 04:01 PM Anonymous Says:
a torah aliyah? my god save is soul
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Jul 29, 2009 at 03:58 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Guess where i WILL NOT be spending any time this summer ”
Jail......good boy - stay away from money laundering, bank fraud, stealin from mail boxes and medicaid/section 8 fraud and you'll be out and about- and one more thing stay away from what this guy has allegedly been doing. Enjoy your summer in Fallsburg.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 03:54 PM PMO Says:
Kolko belongs in prison. He got lucky.
At this point he belongs on a deserted island by himself. I wish him no harm. However, he is a child molester. Just because the parents were afraid their kids would forever be outcasts in the community if they testified, he should not be granted a normal life. He is a dangerous man and a rodef. He has no place in any community, anywhere. If he showed up here in FL, I would stand on his lawn and follow him everywhere he went announcing who he is until he moved away. Again, I don't wish him any harm... just a quiet peaceful existence somewhere in a cabin on a deserted island would be fine with me.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 03:50 PM Anonymous Says:
kolko is innocent
some money hungry people decided to attack the good rabbi and torah temima
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Jul 29, 2009 at 03:47 PM Yudi's talmid Says:
Yudi knows EXACTLY what he is guilty of. I often wish that he had been a terrible Rebbi and a low-life through-and-through - unfortunately, that was not the case. I believe it would have made things easier on his victims (and their fellow talmidim).
However, he perpetrated many evil acts on innocent kids.. he CHOSE to stay in Chinuch, he CHOSE to continue to be exposed to kids, he CHOSE to continue to test his area of nisayon. He CHOSE to fail.
Yudi, you did this to yourself. You were and still are sick. You could have gotten help. You didn't.
You will (deservedly) eternally be michutz la'machaneh.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 03:45 PM Anonymous Says:
pretty brazen of him to be out in public
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Jul 29, 2009 at 03:44 PM Anonymous Says:
i am taking my kids back to lakewood see ya
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Jul 29, 2009 at 03:38 PM Anonymous Says:
just another case of rabbonim shoving everything under the rug!!!!
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Jul 29, 2009 at 04:14 PM Avrohom Abba Says:
I think Mr. Koko has a right to do teshuva after he admitted to doing terrible things. I think he is past those times and past those acts and past that way of thinking. He is not worse than the guys sticking their hands in public mailboxes to steal while wearing yarmulkes. He is also not worse than the guys who pay bribes to public officials.
Each type of transgression is different of course, but to Hashem, we are all in need of doing teshuva.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 04:13 PM kovnerdayan Says:
No Dayan paskened that He doesnt deserve full Viahavta liraiacha komochah ,just like all other yidden . Living next door poses no danger whatsoever .
I would also tell my gabai to give a him kibud , Whatever was Im sure he suffered enough .
Dont lose your olam haboh over this
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Jul 29, 2009 at 04:07 PM Anonymous Says:
Let's examine the Mesorah Woods issue for a moment. This individual does not own a home there. He was renting from one of the owners. There is a contract that exists that rentals require approval of the board, which is comprised of several of the owners of the colony. This approval had not been sought or obtained. When the matter was raised, it was discussed, and consultations were made with others. There was consultation with a Rav who paskened that he should be told to leave.
Let's just consider being a resident in the same colony. Mothers have justification to be fearful of his being in contact with their children. They do not need a conviction in court. Besides, the defendant pleaded guilty. Whether the offenses qualified him for Megan's registry is an academic question, and no mother needs to answer it. The bottom line is that mothers were hesitant to allow their children to play as normal without physical supervision. Add to this all that he was the only adult male on premises in the colony all week. Does this look a bit different? There was no attempt to have him wear a scarlet letter. Just leave. He was persuaded. The contract that owners have might have been legal force, but it did not reach that point. he was asked to leave. He did so. No idea what occurred in Yeshiva or Pines Estates.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 04:26 PM das torah Says:
I don't understant what happened to Das Torah, aren't there Halochis how to deal with this matter,we all know what it says about embaresing someone in public,(what if Hashem forgave him when he did Teshuva)why all this Kitrug Erev Tishu Beuv.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 04:19 PM bar kamtzu Says:
THis reminds us of the story of kamtzu and bar kamtzu, where he was told to leave b'rabim. Im sure there must be a better way to tell someone to leave a shul instead of embarrassing him. Yes he does'nt belong between children, but PLEEEEEZ 2 wrongs dont make it right!
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Jul 29, 2009 at 04:40 PM Anonymous Says:
Kolko is certainly guilty, torah temima is guilty of covering it up. they knew for 30 years and blackmailed the parents into keeping it quiet. that fallsburg yeshiva would not condemn him puts them in the same boat. anyone who thinks he should be forgiven and not judged should see the damage he has done to the boys he molested lives. it was not a victim-less crime. it is way worse than stealing, he ruined lives, he was and still is a a danger to children- certainly should not be allowed near children or be given kavod.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 04:37 PM Informed Consent Says:
It may be, that Rabbi Kolko never abused a soul - no clear cut evidence, no smoking gun, no indisputable video tape. This is usually the case in sexual abuse cases - thus making them so mysterious and challenging. Alas, the masses, place the burden of proof on the accused to prove his innocence, and when he fails to do so, although the court cannot convict, the general public has already made up their minds. Guilty.
I believe that Kolko, fearing a prolonged trial of he said-she said, felt it would be in his best interest to plead down to a child abuse charge and limp away into obscurity.
It seems to have slipped his mind, that in the court of public opinion, he has been hung. And rightly so! Who in their right mind, would allow a convicted child abuser near their children? Lo Sa'amod al dam Ray'echa trumps Ha'vey dan es kol echad l'kaf zechus. Kolko seems to have forgotten, that he cannot go back to his former life.
Only one thing is clear, Hashem is giving this man a serious kapparah - especially if he is innocent. Be that as it may, everyone must understand that he can no longer be given the benefit of the doubt.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 05:20 PM Anonymous Says:
something is wrong with most of the rabonim of today. they don't seem to know right from wrong. the protect the guiltyy and throw the innocent to the wolves, be it child abuse, money laundering...not that dweck can be excused, but he must have felt that he was being condemned for his crime and the rabbis of his community were guilty of the same thing- fraud. kolko should not be counted in a minyan never mind given any kavod. he admitted his guilt and anyone who lets him near children is guilty of child neglect. those who accused him never saw a penny- just damaged lives...
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Jul 29, 2009 at 05:42 PM joe Says:
what message are we giving our children by giving these type of people aliyot?
i have heard that in some shuls they make a kiddush on shabbos for a released convict.
a convict cannot vote. they should also lose the right to get maftir yona and other kibudim.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 05:51 PM Anonymous Says:
Any professional and any parent or adult with even a little knowledge of child sexual abuse knows that someone who has confessed to crimes and has been implicated in numerous other such crimes against children is at high risk to repeat. A child molester typically molests hundreds of children. It is extremely difficult to meet the criteria of having two adult witnesses, give warning, etc, and other halachic criteria.
Pedophiles crave gratification in secrecy, doing what they do to children behind closed doors, when no adult is around, at summer camp, in the locker room, in the mikvah.
In Far Rockaway, a non-Jewish man was arrested and accused of molesting a Jewish child in the mikvah on Roosevelt Court. There were no witnesses. The boy was special needs. The case was dismissed. Guess where the man still works?
We are so ignorant--if you do not believe me, just read most of the posts above--that we are targets not only for informants like Dwek and drug smugglers and all sorts of con artists, we are targets through our naivete for pedophiles. How sad.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 06:04 PM Anonymous Says:
it is high time we put together a special task force together from our own people who know how to do the right dedective work and work together with the rabonim and figure out how to prove if these people r guilty or not
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Jul 29, 2009 at 05:18 PM gregaaron Says:
“ I think Mr. Koko has a right to do teshuva after he admitted to doing terrible things. I think he is past those times and past those acts and past that way of thinking. He is not worse than the guys sticking their hands in public mailboxes to steal while wearing yarmulkes. He is also not worse than the guys who pay bribes to public officials.
Each type of transgression is different of course, but to Hashem, we are all in need of doing teshuva. ”
I do not think that he should be forced to leave, but what you are saying is kind of off - even if someone who has done this (not necessarily him) has done Teshuva 100%, we still need to watch out. I have no problem treating such a person like anyone else who did any Aveirah and then did Teshuva, but we would still keep such a person away from kids, 'cuz the taivah is very likely still there.
Again, I am saying a general statement in response to Mr. Avrohom Abba, without referring to this particular case.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 06:32 PM protect your kids Says:
“ kolko is innocent
some money hungry people decided to attack the good rabbi and torah temima ”
He pleaded guilty. I suppose you know better than he does himself!
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Jul 29, 2009 at 05:07 PM Oy Vey Says:
I don't know Rabbi Kolko, but, I do know that his name has been besmirched all over the internet and beyond.I would like to be dan l'kav zechus, because I am sure his life must be very miserable but, there is no smoke without fire. If he is innocent , he must have done something to cause this reaction to him. I don't want to believe that an erliche yid could do things that he is accused of. I wouldn't shun him, but, I would keep my children out of his way and warn them not to get close to him.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 06:43 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Any professional and any parent or adult with even a little knowledge of child sexual abuse knows that someone who has confessed to crimes and has been implicated in numerous other such crimes against children is at high risk to repeat. A child molester typically molests hundreds of children. It is extremely difficult to meet the criteria of having two adult witnesses, give warning, etc, and other halachic criteria.
Pedophiles crave gratification in secrecy, doing what they do to children behind closed doors, when no adult is around, at summer camp, in the locker room, in the mikvah.
In Far Rockaway, a non-Jewish man was arrested and accused of molesting a Jewish child in the mikvah on Roosevelt Court. There were no witnesses. The boy was special needs. The case was dismissed. Guess where the man still works?
We are so ignorant--if you do not believe me, just read most of the posts above--that we are targets not only for informants like Dwek and drug smugglers and all sorts of con artists, we are targets through our naivete for pedophiles. How sad.
”
# 25 You state that a child molester typically molests hundreds of children. Is this something you made up or is this based on some kind of reliable research. The way people are making it sound there are molesters everywhere nower days. Just wandering how the numbers add up. Or maybe you just don't really care , you just want to spread more molestation hysteria.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 07:35 PM In the know Says:
“ it is time he should be made to live in a community with old age people
anyone that allows him near kids should be ashamed and has no right to call himself a rabbi ”
He should rather be banished to a lepers colony. I rememeber, almost 30 years ago he molested my employee's kid, and guess what, when she went to complain to the Hanhalah, she was told to "Keep quiet, orwe'll throw your kids out of yeshivah and make sure that 'No other Yeshivah will accept them'".
Shame on these Mechanchim and Raabonim.
As the Novi says "Yodeichem domim moleihu".
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Jul 29, 2009 at 07:38 PM Anonymous Says:
most molestation accusation is the fantasy of the carefree thinker. a pity that so many people get taken down by anyone imagination. I work in chinuch and have dealt with about 800 children over the last ten years and I have never even met one child who was "damaged for life", sure we've got pleanty of issues in our school as in any, but to call this a rampant problem in the frum community is a terrible overstatement. any type of problem we have is 1000 times worse ON AVERAGE by the goyim, every day we hear in the news about some teacher running away with a 10 year old and so on, by us its 1 in a milllion, far from rampant. stop distorting the facts and scaring people from their rabbaim & teachers. we are an am kadosh, & to deny that is to deny the essence of yiddishkeit
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Jul 29, 2009 at 08:43 PM Anonymous Says:
“ most molestation accusation is the fantasy of the carefree thinker. a pity that so many people get taken down by anyone imagination. I work in chinuch and have dealt with about 800 children over the last ten years and I have never even met one child who was "damaged for life", sure we've got pleanty of issues in our school as in any, but to call this a rampant problem in the frum community is a terrible overstatement. any type of problem we have is 1000 times worse ON AVERAGE by the goyim, every day we hear in the news about some teacher running away with a 10 year old and so on, by us its 1 in a milllion, far from rampant. stop distorting the facts and scaring people from their rabbaim & teachers. we are an am kadosh, & to deny that is to deny the essence of yiddishkeit ”
because pretending it never happens in the frum community will keep it from happening...
I am glad i have more sense than that, and would call the police immediately if my daughter told me someone was doing inappropriate things to her.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 08:24 PM save our kids Says:
Hundreds may be a stretch. But in most cases there were tens of children involved. One hundred has happened. So please don’t assume that someone else has not done their research and claim as much, when you are just lazy to do your own research…
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Jul 29, 2009 at 08:13 PM 1826 Says:
“ most molestation accusation is the fantasy of the carefree thinker. a pity that so many people get taken down by anyone imagination. I work in chinuch and have dealt with about 800 children over the last ten years and I have never even met one child who was "damaged for life", sure we've got pleanty of issues in our school as in any, but to call this a rampant problem in the frum community is a terrible overstatement. any type of problem we have is 1000 times worse ON AVERAGE by the goyim, every day we hear in the news about some teacher running away with a 10 year old and so on, by us its 1 in a milllion, far from rampant. stop distorting the facts and scaring people from their rabbaim & teachers. we are an am kadosh, & to deny that is to deny the essence of yiddishkeit ”
It seems like u live in fantasy world. Its your imagination that no life is ruined. Or maybe the kids u work with r numbers; you dont work with their souls.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 08:13 PM Pinny Says:
I applaud these people who had the courage to speak up. Some people are very ignorant on this issue and always take the side of the molester, either because they don’t believe it or he must have done tshuva. We are talking about someone who is accused of molestation by numerous victims gong back years. If only the stigma would not be there and the victims would be heard, not believed, just enough to do an investigation, a lot of kids would have been saved. It took one person years later to come out with a lawsuit only because he was pushed around and intimidated for years which lead to an investigation which uncovered that there are recent victims. For those who side with him because he did tsuvah. I hope he did and is doing tshuvah. Don’t you feel bad for him? He had suffered enough why let him suffer more? Advise him and other abusers not to be around humans. We know they are weak and can easily fall victim again. Can you imagine a bad little boy in the colony seducing him? With his weak heart he may fall victim again and give in to the Childs desire. And the bushas he will suffer all over again following such an event. These devils should not find a place in society where they could be victimized again.
I just feel sick writing it.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 08:07 PM Jack Says:
“ most molestation accusation is the fantasy of the carefree thinker. a pity that so many people get taken down by anyone imagination. I work in chinuch and have dealt with about 800 children over the last ten years and I have never even met one child who was "damaged for life", sure we've got pleanty of issues in our school as in any, but to call this a rampant problem in the frum community is a terrible overstatement. any type of problem we have is 1000 times worse ON AVERAGE by the goyim, every day we hear in the news about some teacher running away with a 10 year old and so on, by us its 1 in a milllion, far from rampant. stop distorting the facts and scaring people from their rabbaim & teachers. we are an am kadosh, & to deny that is to deny the essence of yiddishkeit ”
I think you are another planet. How dare you claim to be a mechanech when you need so much more education yourself?
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Jul 29, 2009 at 08:05 PM 1826 Says:
“ # 25 You state that a child molester typically molests hundreds of children. Is this something you made up or is this based on some kind of reliable research. The way people are making it sound there are molesters everywhere nower days. Just wandering how the numbers add up. Or maybe you just don't really care , you just want to spread more molestation hysteria. ”
How about u do some research? Ask the ones who deal with this.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 09:35 PM Anonymous Says:
Bar Kamsa was a gangster, un-popular amongst his people and Rabbonim. He was a moisser!
Yet Hashem destroyed the Bais Hamikdosh because of his public humiliation we will never learn from the past and unfortunately we are condemned year after year to repeat it.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 10:27 PM Anonymous Says:
“ kolko is innocent
some money hungry people decided to attack the good rabbi and torah temima ”
so you're saying you would have no problem sending your child to his class? Well, G-d protects the fools - that must be why you're still around.
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Jul 29, 2009 at 10:44 PM Daniel Says:
“ Bar Kamsa was a gangster, un-popular amongst his people and Rabbonim. He was a moisser!
Yet Hashem destroyed the Bais Hamikdosh because of his public humiliation we will never learn from the past and unfortunately we are condemned year after year to repeat it.
”
Gee, that's odd. The Gemorra I remember says that it was the "anv'sanuso" of REB ZECHARIA BEN AVKULAS that destroyed the Beis Hamikdash, and sent our people into exile. How fun it is to see people who don't even know the words of the story, let alone how to figure out pshat....
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Jul 29, 2009 at 11:10 PM Survivor Barely Says:
“ most molestation accusation is the fantasy of the carefree thinker. a pity that so many people get taken down by anyone imagination. I work in chinuch and have dealt with about 800 children over the last ten years and I have never even met one child who was "damaged for life", sure we've got pleanty of issues in our school as in any, but to call this a rampant problem in the frum community is a terrible overstatement. any type of problem we have is 1000 times worse ON AVERAGE by the goyim, every day we hear in the news about some teacher running away with a 10 year old and so on, by us its 1 in a milllion, far from rampant. stop distorting the facts and scaring people from their rabbaim & teachers. we are an am kadosh, & to deny that is to deny the essence of yiddishkeit ”
I am 25 years older since my molestation by a rebbe and am still suffering the consequences. I invite you to meet me. Don't think that I was the only one. As late as last year there was an accusation made against him. I highly doubt that these were isolated incidents. I doubt that there was a 25 year break. We are an am kadosh who have the same human frailties as any other society. You don't hear about our problems because they have been covered up and continue to be. 1 in a million would make a total of 3 molesters in the frum world. There must be a very small world because I already know of all of them in your estimation. BTW they were all rebbes. You are the one who is distorting the facts. I hope your child is not a victim. Chances are that they would NEVER tell you and if they did you would not believe them. Nebech.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 12:24 AM Moshe Phoenix Says:
I worked for a year with convicted sex offenders in an incarceration unit here in Phoenix at the state hospital. These are the vilest vermin on earth. Not one took responsibility for their crimes, blaming the victims most of the time. I heard that, "she came on to me". The she was a five year old . Or "she/he consented". The "consent"was given by a child to have sex, can you imagine such thinking? Statistically, a pedophile will have dozens, if not hundreds of victims before they are caught, convicted, and jailed. Look it up, I'm not exaggerating the magnitude. Also,even if the perpetrator does t'shuvah,which I am doubtful of, the victims suffer all their life. That t'shuvah doesn't alleviate their pain. I believe that there's a special Gehinnom for these child molestors and the people who protected them . We have to be aware of this problem, and deal with it effectively, to protect our greatest treasures, our kinderlach.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 07:43 AM jewinjerusalem Says:
I will never give any kavod to Kolko or someone like him. At the same time, it would be nice if R' Dovid Feinstein, or someone of his stature, were to issue clear guidelines how to act in the above situation. Perhaps it's enough to warn him that he is not allowed to speak to anyone under 18 years of age. Or else. The man has to live someplace.
I wish we would be half as worried about lashon hara as we are about him. Isn't it objectively worse?
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Jul 30, 2009 at 07:51 AM surprising Says:
Many people would be surprised if I left my name with this email. Yudi kolko tried to molest me many years ago. I was a smart enough 11 year old to run away. I never talked about it whixh is one of the greatest regrets of my life. He is a sick man that needs help and our tefelos but we must not let him be put in nisyonis since he refuses to keep away from them himself
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Jul 30, 2009 at 08:11 AM PMO Says:
“ most molestation accusation is the fantasy of the carefree thinker. a pity that so many people get taken down by anyone imagination. I work in chinuch and have dealt with about 800 children over the last ten years and I have never even met one child who was "damaged for life", sure we've got pleanty of issues in our school as in any, but to call this a rampant problem in the frum community is a terrible overstatement. any type of problem we have is 1000 times worse ON AVERAGE by the goyim, every day we hear in the news about some teacher running away with a 10 year old and so on, by us its 1 in a milllion, far from rampant. stop distorting the facts and scaring people from their rabbaim & teachers. we are an am kadosh, & to deny that is to deny the essence of yiddishkeit ”
I am glad nobody in you have met is "damaged for life". However, we have seen 3 suicides in past year alone related to this kind of abuse. We have seen a rise in drug and alcohol addiction related to this kind of abuse as well. Please don't make light of the entire situation just because you have not seen it with your own eyes. The problem is very real, and in many (not all) cases, the damage is permanent and the victims need our help to carry on.
Goyim have a zero tolerance policy about these things. When it happens, there is no systematic cover-up, or attempts to keep it quiet. The police are called and allowed to do their job.
I still find it disturbing that people will say it is mesira to call the police about this kind of thing. Then, when he gets a light sentence because nobody will testify because they have been threatened, everyone will say "it must not be bad, because he was not convicted of the full crime". Talk about a double-edged sword.
If he did teshuva, that is great for him. If his victims can find mechiloh for him, that is also great for him. However, that in no way means he gets a free pass. Kolko should be forced to move to a retirement community in a smaller area. He can learn, he can daven, he can be around other yidden, he can have all the aliyos he wants. It is his contact with children that needs to be minimized to ensure that his taivos remain under control. Again, I wish no harm on him. I hope he finds ways to live peacefully. However, so long as there are children around, he will have no peace and neither will anyone else.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 10:10 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I am glad nobody in you have met is "damaged for life". However, we have seen 3 suicides in past year alone related to this kind of abuse. We have seen a rise in drug and alcohol addiction related to this kind of abuse as well. Please don't make light of the entire situation just because you have not seen it with your own eyes. The problem is very real, and in many (not all) cases, the damage is permanent and the victims need our help to carry on.
Goyim have a zero tolerance policy about these things. When it happens, there is no systematic cover-up, or attempts to keep it quiet. The police are called and allowed to do their job.
I still find it disturbing that people will say it is mesira to call the police about this kind of thing. Then, when he gets a light sentence because nobody will testify because they have been threatened, everyone will say "it must not be bad, because he was not convicted of the full crime". Talk about a double-edged sword.
If he did teshuva, that is great for him. If his victims can find mechiloh for him, that is also great for him. However, that in no way means he gets a free pass. Kolko should be forced to move to a retirement community in a smaller area. He can learn, he can daven, he can be around other yidden, he can have all the aliyos he wants. It is his contact with children that needs to be minimized to ensure that his taivos remain under control. Again, I wish no harm on him. I hope he finds ways to live peacefully. However, so long as there are children around, he will have no peace and neither will anyone else. ”
Finally, someone posts a rational comment.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 11:39 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I am 25 years older since my molestation by a rebbe and am still suffering the consequences. I invite you to meet me. Don't think that I was the only one. As late as last year there was an accusation made against him. I highly doubt that these were isolated incidents. I doubt that there was a 25 year break. We are an am kadosh who have the same human frailties as any other society. You don't hear about our problems because they have been covered up and continue to be. 1 in a million would make a total of 3 molesters in the frum world. There must be a very small world because I already know of all of them in your estimation. BTW they were all rebbes. You are the one who is distorting the facts. I hope your child is not a victim. Chances are that they would NEVER tell you and if they did you would not believe them. Nebech. ”
how right you are as you write ,even if youre child is a victim chances are they would never tell their partents i know this first hand since i was molested 50 years ago in the mikveh no way they parents or anyone would of believed me and the person who molested me was the most well know person everyone knew him its beyond believe that a thing like that could happen people automatically dismiss it but i know it happened and more then once it is still with me today it destroyed my innocents the shoihet and moyel was the one who molested me can you beleive that?
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Jul 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM zvi Says:
when did he lose the din of RODEF? Certainly, the mothers were right!
(this space is where I erased all the nasty things that I wanted to say but won't because of VIN's new policies. Kol hakovod to them for holding me back!)
May I suggest that he find a home in West Virginia or Wyoming.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 09:21 AM Anonymous Says:
those who protect kolko are enablers and are just as guilty, if not more. marguiles should be removed from torah temimah. gorelick should be removed from fallsburg. if people cant see that the rabonim are covering it up, not condemning and threatening the victims and their families and they are allowing this problem to continue- they are worse than kolko- who is sick! a 6,7, 8 year old child could never make this stuff up, they would have no knowledge of such a concept unless it really happened!
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Jul 30, 2009 at 03:18 PM Anonymous Says:
“ those who protect kolko are enablers and are just as guilty, if not more. marguiles should be removed from torah temimah. gorelick should be removed from fallsburg. if people cant see that the rabonim are covering it up, not condemning and threatening the victims and their families and they are allowing this problem to continue- they are worse than kolko- who is sick! a 6,7, 8 year old child could never make this stuff up, they would have no knowledge of such a concept unless it really happened! ”
the accusers were all adults. quick question . would the person who screamed at it in shul done it if he knew that he would immediately die in the event that Kolko was innocent and not dangerous . Was he sure enough that he would risk his own life ?
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Jul 30, 2009 at 04:13 PM Yenty Says:
“ how right you are as you write ,even if youre child is a victim chances are they would never tell their partents i know this first hand since i was molested 50 years ago in the mikveh no way they parents or anyone would of believed me and the person who molested me was the most well know person everyone knew him its beyond believe that a thing like that could happen people automatically dismiss it but i know it happened and more then once it is still with me today it destroyed my innocents the shoihet and moyel was the one who molested me can you beleive that? ”
Yes, I believe you all the way , I knew of someone like that ,but now let him rest in peace . Peace By Peace
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Jul 30, 2009 at 04:10 PM Yenty Says:
“ when did he lose the din of RODEF? Certainly, the mothers were right!
(this space is where I erased all the nasty things that I wanted to say but won't because of VIN's new policies. Kol hakovod to them for holding me back!)
May I suggest that he find a home in West Virginia or Wyoming. ”
Zvi, I would say one thing, it's not your place to say anything. Who are you to say where someone should live if i may know?
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Jul 30, 2009 at 04:09 PM Anonymous Says:
To all commenters
Let me give the halachic point of view
You accept wittness of a minor since adults dont do this in front of kosher witness
It is enough a shem ra if its based on strong grounds
You do whatever you need to protect the children based on above including dismissing the person from any service to the public not only melamed job
You don"t accept Teshuvah to put him back to his job
You cannot use the above bases to punish the person if your action is not important for the safety of children
SEE Shoel Umeishif Vol 1 Cheilik alef simen 185
SEE Maharashdam Yurei Deiu simen 141
VERY CLEAR WITH NO 2 WAYS ABOUT IT
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Jul 30, 2009 at 02:32 PM formally Says:
let me get this straight, someone calls out to warn people that a molester is in their mist, so what do the robonim do they give the molester a eliya.
Lets change the story, someone walks into a shul and a person bangs on the bima and says, people we have a mosser amongst us, that bocher and his father who just walked in are mossers they are the ones who went to the police when so and so molested the boy and because of that he shamed that person's family and shamed our community. (lets assume that the person was convicted and proven without any doubt he was guilty)
I am ashamed to say, that boy and his father would not get any choved nor will he get an aliya and maybe shunned by the robonum and kick out of shul.
Step back and do you see how sick this is, how stupid.
Go in the future and your are by hasem , and he asks why should i let you in to heaven. You, say with a smile i followed your rules and the rebbies rules no matter what. Explain please hashem say, well i was very mochmer when in came to be a mosser I knew this person who was molesting underage children some boys some girl. However, even thought I knew he was doing serious damage and was doing an avera I pride myself in asking a my rebbie and since he said no, I did not do anything you say with a big smile. You where so happy you did not notice that hashem was about to blow. Hashem says, and how many more children suffered because you and your rebbi belived that not being a mosser was more important that protecting my beloved children.
I do not know, all I know that the rebbe interpreted some posuk that being a mosser is the worst thing a person could be, even to protect children the esser of mosser trumps all. ( no matter what anybody wants to say show me in the Torah where it say not be mosser ever)
Then all H**l brakes loose and Hashem screams, are you mental, are you stupid, why did I give brains to my people if you where not going to use and just follow any idiotic thing a rebbe says. first, if he could say something like that maybe, you should think his judgment is in error, no matter how holy he is he is still human.
And if the rebbi says you should wear a skirt, and quack like a duck, would you do it? Would you, answer me would you?
Would you?
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Jul 30, 2009 at 06:02 PM Concerned Emma in Klal Says:
This is truly a crisis for this area. Kol Hamirachaim al H'achzarim, sofo L'hitachzer al harachamanim. This was Shaul 's downfall with Agog. BTH, what dos Dov Hikind say about it? He is after all the true champion of this cause.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 11:34 PM Yenta Says:
“ let me get this straight, someone calls out to warn people that a molester is in their mist, so what do the robonim do they give the molester a eliya.
Lets change the story, someone walks into a shul and a person bangs on the bima and says, people we have a mosser amongst us, that bocher and his father who just walked in are mossers they are the ones who went to the police when so and so molested the boy and because of that he shamed that person's family and shamed our community. (lets assume that the person was convicted and proven without any doubt he was guilty)
I am ashamed to say, that boy and his father would not get any choved nor will he get an aliya and maybe shunned by the robonum and kick out of shul.
Step back and do you see how sick this is, how stupid.
Go in the future and your are by hasem , and he asks why should i let you in to heaven. You, say with a smile i followed your rules and the rebbies rules no matter what. Explain please hashem say, well i was very mochmer when in came to be a mosser I knew this person who was molesting underage children some boys some girl. However, even thought I knew he was doing serious damage and was doing an avera I pride myself in asking a my rebbie and since he said no, I did not do anything you say with a big smile. You where so happy you did not notice that hashem was about to blow. Hashem says, and how many more children suffered because you and your rebbi belived that not being a mosser was more important that protecting my beloved children.
I do not know, all I know that the rebbe interpreted some posuk that being a mosser is the worst thing a person could be, even to protect children the esser of mosser trumps all. ( no matter what anybody wants to say show me in the Torah where it say not be mosser ever)
Then all H**l brakes loose and Hashem screams, are you mental, are you stupid, why did I give brains to my people if you where not going to use and just follow any idiotic thing a rebbe says. first, if he could say something like that maybe, you should think his judgment is in error, no matter how holy he is he is still human.
And if the rebbi says you should wear a skirt, and quack like a duck, would you do it? Would you, answer me would you?
Would you? ”
By the way Mr.Formally, What does a Molester to do with being Oleh by the Sefer Torah? Tell me something, talking "LOSHON HORAH" IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SIN , Nu , so tell me when a person talks "Loshon Hora", maybe he should not get an Aliyah It's a very big sin. I think in a certain way there's no Mechilah for that .People do not realize how bad it's & when & whereever you go you hear so much Loshon Horah .
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Jul 30, 2009 at 11:28 PM Yenta Says:
“ # 25 You state that a child molester typically molests hundreds of children. Is this something you made up or is this based on some kind of reliable research. The way people are making it sound there are molesters everywhere nower days. Just wandering how the numbers add up. Or maybe you just don't really care , you just want to spread more molestation hysteria. ”
#30 , This person is 100% right, This is not a made up story, it's a fact . Psurahs Tovas, & a Gitten Chodesh from now on
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Jul 31, 2009 at 07:00 AM Anonymous Says:
“ By the way Mr.Formally, What does a Molester to do with being Oleh by the Sefer Torah? Tell me something, talking "LOSHON HORAH" IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SIN , Nu , so tell me when a person talks "Loshon Hora", maybe he should not get an Aliyah It's a very big sin. I think in a certain way there's no Mechilah for that .People do not realize how bad it's & when & whereever you go you hear so much Loshon Horah .
”
Loshon Hara, I agree, should be avoided. However, how do you suggest we keep the creeps who molest children away from those they enjoy abusing?
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Jul 31, 2009 at 06:59 AM survivor Says:
“ No Dayan paskened that He doesnt deserve full Viahavta liraiacha komochah ,just like all other yidden . Living next door poses no danger whatsoever .
I would also tell my gabai to give a him kibud , Whatever was Im sure he suffered enough .
Dont lose your olam haboh over this
”
How foolish can you get? Perhaps if Kolko had done "Ve'ohavta" with one of your children you might see things differently? I doubt it though, because i imagine that even if a molester lived on your front door step you would probably offer him a hearty Sholom Aleichem, every time you left your house!
Do you understand the ramifications of child abuse??
Do you know the pain and suffreing the victim goes through every day of his life??
I am one of those people, I was molested when i was an innocent little girl of 5
years old. And let me tell you, I would not wish this kind of abuse on my worst enemy! The horror is too overwhelming to describe.
Shame on all those who would even consider giving this man an aliyah.
Shame on you!!
If you are so worried about Kolko's suffering, why dont you invite him to come and live in YOUR house? You can protect him, and make sure he gets Aliyahs every shabbos.
I just hope your children live somewhere else!
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Jul 31, 2009 at 02:14 AM Please get real Help Says:
“ I don't understant what happened to Das Torah, aren't there Halochis how to deal with this matter,we all know what it says about embaresing someone in public,(what if Hashem forgave him when he did Teshuva)why all this Kitrug Erev Tishu Beuv. ”
Teshuva would include an apology to the people that were hurt directly.
If anyone was hurt in this way by someone, and the person genuinely did teshuva, and truly expressed remorse directly to the people he hurt, pehaps he would be considered less of a danger.
Of course for the victims, it may be too difficult to forgive.
If the person expressed an understanding of the damage he inflicted, and showed genuine remorse to the victims, it should be publicized. Our system allows for a person to plead guilty to a lesser charge, and does not acknowledge damages to victims. The lack of closure is a further victimization.
for those who are still clueless,
Such abuse can cause damage that includes but is not limited to:
Deep personal shame
premature sexual awareness
hyper sexuality
deep-rooted anger
sexual confusion
discomfort with normal physical relationships
distrust in authority figures
depression
anxiety
These can certainly wreck a life that should be spent growing in Torah and yiras shamayim, Rachmana Litzlan.
Proper therapy, with an appropriate therapist can help promote healing. But the process is slow and painful. If friends, relatives, or an entire community are judgemental instead of supportive, the wounds may not heal for a lifetime.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 11:10 PM Been There Says:
“ most molestation accusation is the fantasy of the carefree thinker. a pity that so many people get taken down by anyone imagination. I work in chinuch and have dealt with about 800 children over the last ten years and I have never even met one child who was "damaged for life", sure we've got pleanty of issues in our school as in any, but to call this a rampant problem in the frum community is a terrible overstatement. any type of problem we have is 1000 times worse ON AVERAGE by the goyim, every day we hear in the news about some teacher running away with a 10 year old and so on, by us its 1 in a milllion, far from rampant. stop distorting the facts and scaring people from their rabbaim & teachers. we are an am kadosh, & to deny that is to deny the essence of yiddishkeit ”
Unfortunately Mr. Mechanech you have no idea what causes a lifetime of damage to children. If you unaware that something like that can happen to a Talmid you should quickly exit your position as a Rebbe. Whether it's molestation, physical or emotional abuse, it is definitely a rampant phenomenon in the Religious Chadorim. I know. To label it a fantasy of a carefree thinker, is a very dangerous statement. It sounds like you are pre-excusing the Rabeim that are responsible to this life altering abuse. Please rethink your diagnosis of this terrible rampant problem.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 08:32 AM Daniel Says:
“ By the way Mr.Formally, What does a Molester to do with being Oleh by the Sefer Torah? Tell me something, talking "LOSHON HORAH" IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SIN , Nu , so tell me when a person talks "Loshon Hora", maybe he should not get an Aliyah It's a very big sin. I think in a certain way there's no Mechilah for that .People do not realize how bad it's & when & whereever you go you hear so much Loshon Horah .
”
Ms. Yenta,
Please go back and learn the laws of Loshon Hora before you advertise your vast lack of knowledge to all on this thread.
There is a MITZVA to warn people of this individual, who is a clear and present Rodef. Loshon Hora? You don't have a clue of the Halachos.
I actually believe that people like YOU, [who took no time to speak to victims ( I have ), and who know zero about this man] are actually more rankled that there are individuals who are Moser Nefesh on behalf of the children. And that is a level of Kiddush Hashem that you can only dream to aspire to.
So, you are envious, and then you spew nonsense to chop the good guys down to your level. Go back and learn some more, and stop being so envious of people who do Mitzvos that you may never have the guts to do.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 09:18 AM ahavas yisroel Says:
wats the big issue? its not like hes the daycamp counselor. stop blowing things out of proportion it could be worse...
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Jul 31, 2009 at 04:02 PM Anonymous Says:
Let thye facts be told,i was in the shul when this brave askan spoke .He had no malicious intent ,he spoke from pain ,to warn parents of the danger they face. There were 3 kollel men who went to Rabbi Wachtfogel after shabbos, they told us all the loshon horah there rebbe spoke on this yid,unashamed. They did not even call or have there Rebbe call to hear the facts. They were sent by thier rebbe to welcome Kolko to the community and apologize for this man's actions and how thw yeshiva is behind him. Now that they face the heat they LIE,no problem ,Rabbi Wachtfogel heard from victims he told people from the community that he did and now they lie. If he did not know facts why get involved . AL ELEH ANI VOCHIYA, surely you would think they would show some humility and fear of heaven. START A CHAIN CALL OR BLOG OR EMAIL TO STOP ALL DONATIONS TO THEM IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO SUPPORTS THEM CALL ONLY THEN, WILL THE RIGHT THING BE DONE.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 04:17 PM astounded Says:
“ wats the big issue? its not like hes the daycamp counselor. stop blowing things out of proportion it could be worse... ”
Before you tell people to stop blowing things out of proportion, perhaps you should do some research on these Reshaim. Do you know (and it has been said many times here) that molesters can abuse hundreds of children in their life time! Do you think that every sex offender is a school teacher, or camp counsellor?
Many of them are just your average kindly neighbor who happens to love playing ball with all the little boys on the block.
Wake up and get your stupid head out of the sand, and see this dangerous situation the way it REALLY is!
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Jul 31, 2009 at 03:48 PM Anonymous Says:
“ No Dayan paskened that He doesnt deserve full Viahavta liraiacha komochah ,just like all other yidden . Living next door poses no danger whatsoever .
I would also tell my gabai to give a him kibud , Whatever was Im sure he suffered enough .
Dont lose your olam haboh over this
”
your ignorance of halacha is fascinating seeing you use the term dayan in your name.the mere suspect of such activity requires one to suspect and watch ,even if they cannot be accept it as fact. to publically speak ignorance of the halacha while there is a danger to children is something to be more mindful of. No bais din is required for these safeguards
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Aug 01, 2009 at 11:12 PM Yenty Says:
“ Ms. Yenta,
Please go back and learn the laws of Loshon Hora before you advertise your vast lack of knowledge to all on this thread.
There is a MITZVA to warn people of this individual, who is a clear and present Rodef. Loshon Hora? You don't have a clue of the Halachos.
I actually believe that people like YOU, [who took no time to speak to victims ( I have ), and who know zero about this man] are actually more rankled that there are individuals who are Moser Nefesh on behalf of the children. And that is a level of Kiddush Hashem that you can only dream to aspire to.
So, you are envious, and then you spew nonsense to chop the good guys down to your level. Go back and learn some more, and stop being so envious of people who do Mitzvos that you may never have the guts to do. ”
Hi Mr. Daniel, Shavoah Tov. I have read your whole protical, You have a point & you do not have a point. 1st of all if i have to learn Halachos from you i am in bad shape, but let me tell you one thing , that there's a Mitzvah to warn people regargarding such a person, but just talking "LOSHON HORA" & not doing anything about it , Then it's thousands times worse then just warning . . By the way i have enough practice with parents that have spoken to me regarding this problem & i gave them a good derech how to approac a a person like this & it worked . Talking Loshon Hora will not stop such a person from molesting a child, but if you would come face to face with this person & give him a SLAP in his face , while it's in Class or in a Bais Hamedraish, you would see it would work alot better , then just talking about it.
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Aug 02, 2009 at 07:48 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Let thye facts be told,i was in the shul when this brave askan spoke .He had no malicious intent ,he spoke from pain ,to warn parents of the danger they face. There were 3 kollel men who went to Rabbi Wachtfogel after shabbos, they told us all the loshon horah there rebbe spoke on this yid,unashamed. They did not even call or have there Rebbe call to hear the facts. They were sent by thier rebbe to welcome Kolko to the community and apologize for this man's actions and how thw yeshiva is behind him. Now that they face the heat they LIE,no problem ,Rabbi Wachtfogel heard from victims he told people from the community that he did and now they lie. If he did not know facts why get involved . AL ELEH ANI VOCHIYA, surely you would think they would show some humility and fear of heaven. START A CHAIN CALL OR BLOG OR EMAIL TO STOP ALL DONATIONS TO THEM IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO SUPPORTS THEM CALL ONLY THEN, WILL THE RIGHT THING BE DONE. ”
did you go to philly?
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Aug 02, 2009 at 07:46 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Before you tell people to stop blowing things out of proportion, perhaps you should do some research on these Reshaim. Do you know (and it has been said many times here) that molesters can abuse hundreds of children in their life time! Do you think that every sex offender is a school teacher, or camp counsellor?
Many of them are just your average kindly neighbor who happens to love playing ball with all the little boys on the block.
Wake up and get your stupid head out of the sand, and see this dangerous situation the way it REALLY is! ”
did he touch you or anybody you know? do you know that he definitely did it stop judging.
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Aug 02, 2009 at 08:12 AM Anonymous Says:
“ did he touch you or anybody you know? do you know that he definitely did it stop judging. ”
The halachah is very clear about this... you can talk and tell children to stay away from him, based on rumor alone....
since these "Rashoim" do this in private, and no one can witness this, a child can be a witness. Over the years Mr. #71, there were hundreds of children (now adults) that participated in his notorious "Koko Club" in Camp.
This guy admitted in open court that he did it, why dont you take his word on it? Hmm?
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Aug 02, 2009 at 02:17 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I will never give any kavod to Kolko or someone like him. At the same time, it would be nice if R' Dovid Feinstein, or someone of his stature, were to issue clear guidelines how to act in the above situation. Perhaps it's enough to warn him that he is not allowed to speak to anyone under 18 years of age. Or else. The man has to live someplace.
I wish we would be half as worried about lashon hara as we are about him. Isn't it objectively worse? ”
NO!! Child molestation, money laundering. cheating on taxes, bribery, stealing mail, smuggling are all worst than lashon horah. The reason that you don't know this is because these things are not spoken about by the people who should be warning against them. It is safe to talk about lashon horah; but talking about real problem can get one in trouble.
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Aug 02, 2009 at 11:43 PM Anonymous Says:
“ NO!! Child molestation, money laundering. cheating on taxes, bribery, stealing mail, smuggling are all worst than lashon horah. The reason that you don't know this is because these things are not spoken about by the people who should be warning against them. It is safe to talk about lashon horah; but talking about real problem can get one in trouble. ”
I agree with you that all these sins that you listed are worse then Loshon Hora! Do you want to why? Loshon Hora is"NOT" DINA DEENA MALCHISA , & since it's not Deena Damalchsa Deena, you are breathing easier, because there's no Chilul Hashem involved. Yes , but i do not think so, to Hashem it's just as worse as to the other Sins, which is Chilall Hashem
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Aug 03, 2009 at 11:01 AM Anonymous Says:
I just want to point out that it is parents responsibility to watch their children in the country. There are many people out there that can pose a danger to your child, whether you know about it or not. There are also dangers of allowing your children free reign in bungalow colonies, roaming and prowling. There are cars, maintanence staff, roads. There is danger everywhere. Instead of forming a little chatters circle, WATCH YOUR KIDS!! YES!! WATCH YOUR KIDS!! They are your responsibility! I have seen kids wander out of colonies onto busy roads (3 or 4 years old). I have nearly hit little toddlers who were sent out to play. I watched 7 or 8 year old boys try to break into the goyish maintanence mans bungalow. Don't be naive or complacent. Be on guard, and don't be selective about what you are watching and shielding your children from!
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Aug 03, 2009 at 02:02 PM Yudi's talmid Says:
“ did he touch you or anybody you know? do you know that he definitely did it stop judging. ”
Yes, he did touch someone I know. I have known about this for years. Please, respect his victims and stop blindly defending him.
He is guilty. The victims are not.