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Whether or not the Prime Minister used the term, increasing criticism by American Jews of U.S. President Barack Obama signals a split in the American Jewish community.
The trigger for the growing crisis between Israel and the U.S., and among American Jews, is the issue of “settlements,” which President Obama labeled as “illegitimate” in his speech in Cairo nearly two months ago. He later included Jewish communities in eastern Jerusalem as part of the “settlement” label.
President Obama revealed this week that his White House advisor Rahm Emanuel, whose father was an Israeli and part of the underground resistance movement under the British Mandate, tells him everything he needs to know about Israel.
Emanuel also is the man who choreographed the handshake between former President Bill Clinton, former Prime Minister Yitzchak Rabin and Yasser Arafat on the White House lawn.
He has pushed the president into a head-on collision with the Netanyahu government, but there is a growing opinion that he has also left the president out on a limb. Emanuel’s strategy was to demonstrate that the pro-Israel lobby American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) no longer speaks for American Jewry.
Mondoweis Blogger Philip Weis, who continually attacks a Jewish presence in Judea and Samaria and eastern Jerusalem, wrote last month, “Obama's game is to defeat the Israel lobby from within. He could not defeat the lobby from outside it…. But now he is cracking it like a nut, and counting on Jews to do the cracking.”
That strategy has turned into a wall of opposition, both in Israel, where the president’s popularity rating is near-zero, in the U.S. where Emanuel has simply ignored opposing views of major Jewish organizations, and in the normally anti-settlement American press.
Washington Post vs. Obama
The liberal and highly influential Washington Post has criticized President Obama on his policy towards Israel, and an editorial on Thursday went even further. Under the title “Tough on Israel - Why: President Obama's battle against Jewish settlements could prove self-defeating,” the newspaper’s editors wrote:
“One of the more striking results of the Obama administration's first six months is that only one country has worse relations with the United States than it did in January: Israel. The new administration has pushed a reset button with Russia and sent new ambassadors to Syria and Venezuela; it has offered olive branches to Cuba and Burma. But for nearly three months it has been locked in a public confrontation with Israel over Jewish housing construction in Jerusalem and the West Bank.”
The editorial criticized the president for his “absolutist demand” for a freeze on all building for Jews in Judea and Samaria and eastern Jerusalem. “Palestinian and Arab leaders who had accepted previous compromises immediately hardened their positions; they also balked at delivering the ‘confidence-building’ concessions to Israel that the administration seeks. Israeli public opinion, which normally leans against the settler movement, has rallied behind Mr. Netanyahu.”
The newspaper warned that any compromise by President Obama may leave him “diminished among both Israelis and Arabs.”
The turning point against President Obama may have been the meeting in the White House earlier this month with American Jewish leaders. The Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations requested a discussion with President Obama, but Emanuel decided who would attend.
He used the opportunity to attempt to create an impression of solid support for President Obama and show off the relative new J Street lobby. Unlike AIPAC, it is active politically and endorsed and campaigned for Congressional candidates who fit their agenda, which includes Israel’s surrendering all of Judea and Samaria and parts of Jerusalem that were restored to the Jewish State in the 1967 Six-Day War.
At the same time, he excluded National Council of Young Israel (YI) and the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), both of which support a Jewish presence in all of Israel.
The latest confrontation on a new project for Jews in eastern Jerusalem prompted Alan Solow, chairman of the Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, to state this week, "Hundreds of Arab families have moved into Jewish neighborhoods of Jerusalem and the same right should be accorded to Jewish residents to live wherever they choose in Jerusalem. No government of Israel has or can pursue a discriminatory policy that would prevent the legitimate presence of Jews in any area of the capital."
In response, five leftist groups, including Americans for Peace Now and J Street, criticized supporters of Jews’ rights to build in the area. It added, “Unilateral actions that inflame tensions, impair negotiations and make the ultimate resolution of issues surrounding Jerusalem more difficult are unhelpful and should be avoided at this particularly sensitive moment."
While Emanuel is trying to strengthen his position, he faces another challenge on the Obama administration’s health plan. Emanuel’s brother Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel is Obama’s “health czar,” and the plan is being widely panned in American media, leaving the White House Chief of Staff with two potential failures for the President.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 01:23 PM Anonymous Says:
The third is not far off.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 01:53 PM American Jew Says:
I have news for you, there is tens of thousand of orthodox jews in america, that are american jews just like you & FULLY support our honorable president & the US Goverment that they will do the best for our country
and by the way from a honost point of view he is 100% right, How much bloodshed do we need in the middle east ? why cant the yidden go live in middle of israel like Gedarah etc. where there is enough place without angering the sorounding neighbors ?
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Jul 30, 2009 at 01:46 PM Anonymous Says:
so here you have a jew boy who could read and write in english and made it so far
arent we proud of jew boys with an education???????
the world would be a better place if a guy like hime was on every program
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Jul 30, 2009 at 01:36 PM Anonymous Says:
Obama is a fool for trusting rahm but then again what does Obama know about anything especially foreign policy.If its not on the prompter than he knows nothing about it.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 01:36 PM End of Days Says:
Rahm, Reis-Mem, has the gematria of 240, the same gematria as Amalek.
Please that he should do tshuva, and turn the Rahm into Rahm v'nisah!!!
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Jul 30, 2009 at 02:24 PM Tanna Kamma Says:
“ I have news for you, there is tens of thousand of orthodox jews in america, that are american jews just like you & FULLY support our honorable president & the US Goverment that they will do the best for our country
and by the way from a honost point of view he is 100% right, How much bloodshed do we need in the middle east ? why cant the yidden go live in middle of israel like Gedarah etc. where there is enough place without angering the sorounding neighbors ? ”
However much you try to push the Israeli population to the center and give the land up to terrorists, they will continue attacking us until they have pushed us into the sea C'V as is their stated goal...
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Jul 30, 2009 at 02:19 PM how dare u? Says:
“ Rahm, Reis-Mem, has the gematria of 240, the same gematria as Amalek.
Please that he should do tshuva, and turn the Rahm into Rahm v'nisah!!! ”
mr end of days! how dare u make me
smile on tishaBav?!?!?!
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Jul 30, 2009 at 02:16 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I have news for you, there is tens of thousand of orthodox jews in america, that are american jews just like you & FULLY support our honorable president & the US Goverment that they will do the best for our country
and by the way from a honost point of view he is 100% right, How much bloodshed do we need in the middle east ? why cant the yidden go live in middle of israel like Gedarah etc. where there is enough place without angering the sorounding neighbors ? ”
Maybe you should give up your home and go live in a concentration camp so as not to anger ch'v your german neighbours. your logic so so twisted its very sad.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 02:09 PM Chaim Says:
Rahm Emanuel will join the long list of Jewish Traitors.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 03:10 PM someone somewhere Says:
FYI Rahm's name is not Rahm, it's Rahamim.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 03:08 PM Barry Says:
“ I have news for you, there is tens of thousand of orthodox jews in america, that are american jews just like you & FULLY support our honorable president & the US Goverment that they will do the best for our country
and by the way from a honost point of view he is 100% right, How much bloodshed do we need in the middle east ? why cant the yidden go live in middle of israel like Gedarah etc. where there is enough place without angering the sorounding neighbors ? ”
Are you kidding? Do you listen to what the Arabs say about Israel giving up territory? The Arabs are more honest than Obama. They admit that they want everything, which means, no Israel, period! They atleast tell the truth of their objectives. Is your solution Israel's destruction (R'L)? Until Moshiach comes, that is the only way for bloodshed in the Middle East would stop. Or is it? Will the blood-thirsty Arabs stop killing eachother is Israel wasn't there?
Wishful thinking and blind obedience won't make it so. Among these leftist, the ends justify the means. Since we no longer have an independent media, I guess you'll just have to figure it out for yourself.
Rahm's brother's plans include not providing medical proceedures for the elderly, who to them, outlived their usefulness. Is that the Jewish way? Calling them "self-hating Jews" may not be accurate, they seems to be closer to being "Kapo's"
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Jul 30, 2009 at 03:19 PM Anonymous Says:
"And those who seek to destroy you will fall because of you..."
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Jul 30, 2009 at 03:19 PM Jewish mother Says:
“ I have news for you, there is tens of thousand of orthodox jews in america, that are american jews just like you & FULLY support our honorable president & the US Goverment that they will do the best for our country
and by the way from a honost point of view he is 100% right, How much bloodshed do we need in the middle east ? why cant the yidden go live in middle of israel like Gedarah etc. where there is enough place without angering the sorounding neighbors ? ”
I am one of them.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 03:27 PM David Says:
Slamming fellow Jews on Tisha B'av whether you agree with him or not. Calling them Amalek and Kapo's. Guess I'll be here in the US commenting on blogs next year Tisha B'av, because it sure doesn't sound like we learned our lesson and deserve the Geulah.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 03:37 PM PMO Says:
Rahm and Obama have done nothing to help or hurt anything in E"Y. Obama is entitled to his opinion. Obama does not care that E"Y is for yidden and nobody else. Why would he care about that? He looks at it strictly as a geopolitical problem, not a religious one. As for Rahm, he has done nothing to help/hurt either. Are yidden not allowed to disagree on how to deal with the Palestinian problem? Why do we need such incredible venom here?
No wonder moshiach has no interest in coming, with this kind of sinas chinam, I wouldn't show up either.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 04:10 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Rahm and Obama have done nothing to help or hurt anything in E"Y. Obama is entitled to his opinion. Obama does not care that E"Y is for yidden and nobody else. Why would he care about that? He looks at it strictly as a geopolitical problem, not a religious one. As for Rahm, he has done nothing to help/hurt either. Are yidden not allowed to disagree on how to deal with the Palestinian problem? Why do we need such incredible venom here?
No wonder moshiach has no interest in coming, with this kind of sinas chinam, I wouldn't show up either. ”
im scared whats going to be and more so for my kids.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 02:50 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Maybe you should give up your home and go live in a concentration camp so as not to anger ch'v your german neighbours. your logic so so twisted its very sad. ”
Your vile comments are beyond contempt. You are streching the limits of VIN's new editorial policies. If you cannot respectfully disagree on policy issues in a coherent manner, perhaps you should deal with your own anger issues. Rahm Emanuel is a brilliant strategic thinker and with his team, totally destroyed Mcain and Palin in the election. The American people have selected Obama as their leader. Most jews voted for Obama. Give this president a chance. EY cannot continue to go its own way without U.S. support. There will be painful choices but to bury one's head in the sand, will lead to even more painful outcomes. Either way, try to deal with your own problems.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 02:47 PM Charlie Hall Says:
It is Tisha b'Av, and on this day we see such a vicious attack on a prominent American Jew by an Israeli internet site that is considered extremist by most Americans. This will neither further Jewish unity nor engender support for Israel.
And it even ends by relishing in the fact that President Obama's attempt to give Americans what Israelis have had for decades -- universal access to health care -- is facing opposition.
This is a very sad Tisha B'Av.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 02:33 PM Anonymous Says:
“ However much you try to push the Israeli population to the center and give the land up to terrorists, they will continue attacking us until they have pushed us into the sea C'V as is their stated goal... ”
There is a difference between building in YOUR land, then going over to the west bank & gaza
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Jul 30, 2009 at 02:30 PM Torah boy Says:
From a torah standpoint there is a chiuv for every american jew of DIRSHI ES SHLOM HUEIR that we must support and pray for the safety & success of our president and malchas shel chesed,
This article is true hisgaros Bueimos that bought for the yidden all the tuzros by not obeying by the SHULOSH SHEVIOS and taking a land before moshiach comes.
Keep it up RAHM, your doing whats best for us in the US and our people and not to serve the interest of some other countries thats not good for us!
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Jul 30, 2009 at 05:53 PM Shua Says:
“ From a torah standpoint there is a chiuv for every american jew of DIRSHI ES SHLOM HUEIR that we must support and pray for the safety & success of our president and malchas shel chesed,
This article is true hisgaros Bueimos that bought for the yidden all the tuzros by not obeying by the SHULOSH SHEVIOS and taking a land before moshiach comes.
Keep it up RAHM, your doing whats best for us in the US and our people and not to serve the interest of some other countries thats not good for us! ”
> "...bought for the Yidden all the tzuros by not obeying by the SHALOSH SHEVUOS* and taking a land before Moshiach comes."
>> You are stating the position of the Satmar Rebbe zt"l which is your right to do. But you are certainly aware that his position with regard to the "shalosh shevuos" is generally NOT accepted outside of the Satmar kehilla.
For example, the Ohr Samayach (Rav Meir Simcha zt"l) wrote after WWI that "the fear of the [shalosh] shevuos is gone; the mitzvah of Yishuv Eretz Yisrael -- equivalent to all the mitzvos in the Torah -- has resumed its proper status." Hator, 5682, issue #3].
Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld zt"l (the venerable Rav of Yerushalayim during the time of the British Mandate urged all diaspora Bnai Torah to make Aliyah [Ha'ish Al Hachoma, vol. II, p. 149]
So your statement that our tzuros come from not obeying the three oaths is rejected by the vast majority of Torah Jews. Sorry about that, but it's the truth.
* For those not in the know, the "shalosh shevuos" ("three oaths") is a reference to a Gemara in Kesubos 111a which interprets a verse in Shir HaShirim as containing three oaths which Jews must not violate while in golus: 1. returning to the Holy Land by force, 2. rebelling against the nations, and 3. delaying Moshiach by their sins.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 06:19 PM Burtb Says:
“ It is Tisha b'Av, and on this day we see such a vicious attack on a prominent American Jew by an Israeli internet site that is considered extremist by most Americans. This will neither further Jewish unity nor engender support for Israel.
And it even ends by relishing in the fact that President Obama's attempt to give Americans what Israelis have had for decades -- universal access to health care -- is facing opposition.
This is a very sad Tisha B'Av. ”
Were you aware that in Israel, they have 4 government backed plans, each one competes with each other, and there are additional private plans. The Israeli Government does not fund research, it is funded by donations (most of which come from the USA, because we have less government intrusion)and Israel is currently trying to encourage more private health care. Seems that every other western nation understands that Government health care can not be sustained with birth rates under 2.5, and it has failed in all four states that have tried it in the USA (Hawaii, Tenn. Mass. and Maine). Just imagine the cost of all those illegal aliens streaming over the boarder to get their free health care. If you liked the closing of emergency rooms, you will love the cost of universal health care (we already have universal health coverage- medicare and social security- The poor are covered, they just do not have insurance, the state currently takes care of them)
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Jul 30, 2009 at 06:15 PM NB Says:
Response to #2
I'm also one of them...
Sorry..once again hypocrisy rears it's ugly head in our community.
Everyone that criticizes Rabbis for "thought control"...then they sit here and anyone that doesn't agree with their viewpoint is a "self hating Jew".
Well I have news for you...there are thousands of frum yidden that don't share your narrow worldview.
That believe that Israel should not be setting up impediments for peace.
You're right that the situation might not be right now...but as any student of history will tell you..things can change very quick and when they do..we have to be ready to jump in and make peace.
The builders of these settlements have only one thing in mind...and that us religiously motivated. Most frum leaders do not share this reglious Zionistic view...so now it becomes a strictly security issue where sensible people can disagree.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 05:41 PM Babishka Says:
“ I have news for you, there is tens of thousand of orthodox jews in america, that are american jews just like you & FULLY support our honorable president & the US Goverment that they will do the best for our country
and by the way from a honost point of view he is 100% right, How much bloodshed do we need in the middle east ? why cant the yidden go live in middle of israel like Gedarah etc. where there is enough place without angering the sorounding neighbors ? ”
Why can't the yidden go live in the middle of the Mediterranean ocean? Really, you really think there will be "peace" if only the Yidden will go live behind the 1949 Auschwitz borders?
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Jul 30, 2009 at 05:27 PM Anonymous Says:
“ FYI Rahm's name is not Rahm, it's Rahamim. ”
His name is not rahamim. His name is avraham. But good guess
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Jul 30, 2009 at 05:18 PM Anonymous Says:
Rabosai - I hate to break it to you, but what is in the best interest of the US is not necessarily in the best interest of Israel and the Jewish people and vice-a-versa.
So get over it.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 07:13 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Rabosai - I hate to break it to you, but what is in the best interest of the US is not necessarily in the best interest of Israel and the Jewish people and vice-a-versa.
So get over it. ”
You got it a bit mixed up. If America will have Israel's interests at heart, it will be in America's best interest, too.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 07:56 PM Anonymous Says:
“ You got it a bit mixed up. If America will have Israel's interests at heart, it will be in America's best interest, too. ”
You might be right, but it is not derech haolam.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 09:34 PM Anonymous Says:
When it's an issue between Israel and USA, I'd rathet support USA where I live, and where my parents and grand parents were given citizenship after their suffering in WWII.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 09:31 PM US Citizen Says:
It should not be the US business about israel more then any other country let's say in canada there also live lots of yiden but the US does not have nothing to do with nations they have to look on normal policies ...and we as jews have to ask Hashem that it should work out for the good of all the jewish people and we should not have more interest in israel because Ben Gurion decided so
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Jul 30, 2009 at 10:16 PM Charlie Hall Says:
“ Were you aware that in Israel, they have 4 government backed plans, each one competes with each other, and there are additional private plans. The Israeli Government does not fund research, it is funded by donations (most of which come from the USA, because we have less government intrusion)and Israel is currently trying to encourage more private health care. Seems that every other western nation understands that Government health care can not be sustained with birth rates under 2.5, and it has failed in all four states that have tried it in the USA (Hawaii, Tenn. Mass. and Maine). Just imagine the cost of all those illegal aliens streaming over the boarder to get their free health care. If you liked the closing of emergency rooms, you will love the cost of universal health care (we already have universal health coverage- medicare and social security- The poor are covered, they just do not have insurance, the state currently takes care of them) ”
Neither government run health insurance, or even government run health care, are necessary to provide universal coverage. Israel is an excellent example; Israelis are healthier and longer lived than Americans despite the fact that it spends far less on health care. Even better examples are Japan, the healthiest and longest lived large country in the world, and France, #2. Japan does have a government run health insurer, but many have coverage through employer plans, yet the fraction of hospitals and physicians not part of government agencies is *higher* than in the US. And France doesn't have a government run health insurer at all. But in both countries the health insurers are kept on a short leash by the government to make sure that they do what they are supposed to do: Pay for health care. And everyone is covered.
Contrast that to the US, whose life expectancy is not below that of Bosnia, and whose health insurers can choose to pay or not to pay for your health care with little oversight from anyone. That is, if you *have* health insurance, which millions of Americans lack.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 10:11 PM Anonymous Says:
“ It should not be the US business about israel more then any other country let's say in canada there also live lots of yiden but the US does not have nothing to do with nations they have to look on normal policies ...and we as jews have to ask Hashem that it should work out for the good of all the jewish people and we should not have more interest in israel because Ben Gurion decided so ”
5 million plus Jews live in Israel. If you have any ahavas yisroel, that is why you should care about Israel. Ben Gurion died decades ago.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 10:08 PM Anonymous Says:
“ From a torah standpoint there is a chiuv for every american jew of DIRSHI ES SHLOM HUEIR that we must support and pray for the safety & success of our president and malchas shel chesed,
This article is true hisgaros Bueimos that bought for the yidden all the tuzros by not obeying by the SHULOSH SHEVIOS and taking a land before moshiach comes.
Keep it up RAHM, your doing whats best for us in the US and our people and not to serve the interest of some other countries thats not good for us! ”
did you feel the same way about President Bush's policies, or are do you only support this country now that its administarion shares (you hope) your satmar anti-zionist views?
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Jul 30, 2009 at 10:03 PM Anonymous Says:
“ When it's an issue between Israel and USA, I'd rathet support USA where I live, and where my parents and grand parents were given citizenship after their suffering in WWII. ”
you're not supporting the USA. you're supporting a position that some in the USA take. there is no reason jews can't take a position that is at odds with that of the current administration.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 11:06 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I have news for you, there is tens of thousand of orthodox jews in america, that are american jews just like you & FULLY support our honorable president & the US Goverment that they will do the best for our country
and by the way from a honost point of view he is 100% right, How much bloodshed do we need in the middle east ? why cant the yidden go live in middle of israel like Gedarah etc. where there is enough place without angering the sorounding neighbors ? ”
The fact that "Tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews in America" believe one way or another has does not mean that it is Daas Torah.
It is regrettable that many in the so called frum olam are content, as long as they have their immediate needs taken care of. They don't think about the future of the Jewish people at all.
On the other hand, Americans support a strong Israel, and that was the policy of most administrations until now.
The towns and cities erected in areas of Eretz Yisroel liberated miraculously by Hashem in 1967, are to protect the Yidden living in elsewhere eg. Gadera, Benei Berak etc. and the people living there are heroes,
(According to your logic, Jews shouldn't be in Meah Sheorim either, because the Arabs want the entire country).
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Jul 30, 2009 at 11:53 PM Picuach Nefesh Says:
The issue of supporting Israilie borders is an issue of what will save more lives. According to jewish law, if someone is attacking a border of Erets Yisroel, everyone must be michalel shabbos to go to fight, since giving a little at the boarder invites more war and jewish blodshed.
This is what the Chabad Rebbe used to screem about many times. Now we actualy see it with Gush Katif etc..., but some still don't believe it. Or are they just self haters?
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Jul 31, 2009 at 03:05 AM malach Says:
“ Your vile comments are beyond contempt. You are streching the limits of VIN's new editorial policies. If you cannot respectfully disagree on policy issues in a coherent manner, perhaps you should deal with your own anger issues. Rahm Emanuel is a brilliant strategic thinker and with his team, totally destroyed Mcain and Palin in the election. The American people have selected Obama as their leader. Most jews voted for Obama. Give this president a chance. EY cannot continue to go its own way without U.S. support. There will be painful choices but to bury one's head in the sand, will lead to even more painful outcomes. Either way, try to deal with your own problems. ”
#18
Incorrect.
The poster was simply doing val kachomer. You on the other hand made a personal, ad hominem comment which was insulting and humiliating to the poster, or at least you tried...to delegimitize the poster by distorting the statements and meaning of the VI N article. This is clear.
Obama won by a small margin. That's the numbers, not the inaccurate adjectives that you use. That means that millions of Americans did not want him in office. The only reason I can think of that so many Jews voted for him is that they do not study current politics and international affairs. He has already made a number of policy and practice errors. He certainly cannot even come anywhere near the presidential timber Bush showed in his first couple of years...and I would have been personally inclined to favor a Democrat.
Israel won those lands back in a war not of its own making. These are our historical lands. The US has not right or place setting Israeli policy. We are not a banana republic, we are a matzo land and people.
If Emmanuel actually orchestrated handshakes with Arafat, he is beneath contempt.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 09:22 AM NB Says:
“ The fact that "Tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews in America" believe one way or another has does not mean that it is Daas Torah.
It is regrettable that many in the so called frum olam are content, as long as they have their immediate needs taken care of. They don't think about the future of the Jewish people at all.
On the other hand, Americans support a strong Israel, and that was the policy of most administrations until now.
The towns and cities erected in areas of Eretz Yisroel liberated miraculously by Hashem in 1967, are to protect the Yidden living in elsewhere eg. Gadera, Benei Berak etc. and the people living there are heroes,
(According to your logic, Jews shouldn't be in Meah Sheorim either, because the Arabs want the entire country).
”
"(According to your logic, Jews shouldn't be in Meah Sheorim either, because the Arabs want the entire country)."
I cant believe you are so devoid of any ability to see facts as they are.
How could you compare internationally recognized sovereignty where everyone has equal rights..to occupied land (Israel never annexed it...so even in Israeli eyes it's occupied..) where one people have no right to vote..or representation whatsoever!
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Jul 31, 2009 at 09:53 AM melech Says:
“ I have news for you, there is tens of thousand of orthodox jews in america, that are american jews just like you & FULLY support our honorable president & the US Goverment that they will do the best for our country
and by the way from a honost point of view he is 100% right, How much bloodshed do we need in the middle east ? why cant the yidden go live in middle of israel like Gedarah etc. where there is enough place without angering the sorounding neighbors ? ”
Because it's an issur dioraysa according to rov poskim to give EY to goyim, especially those who wish to destroy us and anyone who calls themself an Orthodox Jew should know this already.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 11:00 AM Common Sense Says:
During times of galus..mipnei darkei shalom...there is a different set of rules.
The world is not run by halacha..just as it's not run by Sharia...
According to your reasoning..what's so wrong with what the arabs are doing...after all according to their sharia..the jews are infidels..and they have their own holy mission...
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Jul 31, 2009 at 12:13 PM next week Says:
V'Rahm Levavacha v'shechachta es hashem elokecha
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Jul 31, 2009 at 12:40 PM Reb Yid Says:
“ I have news for you, there is tens of thousand of orthodox jews in america, that are american jews just like you & FULLY support our honorable president & the US Goverment that they will do the best for our country
and by the way from a honost point of view he is 100% right, How much bloodshed do we need in the middle east ? why cant the yidden go live in middle of israel like Gedarah etc. where there is enough place without angering the sorounding neighbors ? ”
"there is tens of thousand of orthodox jews in america, that are american jews just like you & FULLY support our honorable president "
LOL. According to the National Jewish Population Survey there are more than half-a-million ortho Jews in the US. So "tens of thousands" support Obama? That's quite a statement! LOL