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Chicago, IL - Strawberries protect the heart, reduce risks of cancer, act as an anti-inflammatory and may be good for the brain, too, U.S. researchers say.
Researchers from the Chicago Healthy Aging Project found that older adults who eat strawberries at least once a month have less cognitive decline.
More specifically, women who consumed more than one serving of strawberries per month had a 16.2 percent slower rate of cognitive decline versus those who consumed less. The findings were presented at the Berry Health Symposium in Monterey, Calif.
Researchers at the Berry Health Symposium described how berries may be contributing to the preservation of brain function.
Most disease processes in the body are believed to begin through inflammation and oxidation which damage cells. Healthy nerve cell membranes promote optimal communication within the brain and nervous system so preventing membrane damage from inflammation and oxidation is essential, the researchers said.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 10:40 PM Use Your Head Says:
Like most "consumer science" of the day, this "research" should be taken with a grain of salt. Who wants to be that this research was sponsored, whether directly or indirectly, by strawberry producers/sellers?
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Jul 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM Anonymous Says:
Its is very very hard to wash froms warms
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Jul 30, 2009 at 11:17 PM Babishka Says:
Everyone knows that it is healthy to eat fresh fruit. It is a very appealing way to end a nice Shabbos seuda with a fresh fruit platter.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 11:10 PM Kosher Problem Says:
I heard that no matter how much you wash them there are very little bugs that always stay on the strawbery. There is a machlokis of rabonim. But Sofaik dioraisa, Lehachmeir. Thats why I stoped eating them.
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Jul 30, 2009 at 11:41 PM buncha dumdums Says:
studies like this one help increase cognitive decline
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Jul 30, 2009 at 10:43 PM Anonymous Says:
oh no please not another story with the word strawberry, raspberry-I foresee all the bug deniers coming out of the woodwork once again already
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Jul 31, 2009 at 07:03 AM NonBeliever Says:
Studies show that 80% of studies are later found to be inaccurate - even this one.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 06:59 AM Anonymous Says:
There is a way to clean strawberries from bugs, its not so easy, and changes the exterior looks of the fruit, but it's effective.
taken from the book "A Kosher Koch" (Kosher Kitchen):
peel off the entire fruit with a potato peeler, make sure not to leave even a drop of the outside coat/peel, make sure it has no cracks crevices or holes, no part of the strawberry is rotten or too soft, then wash it thoroughly under a stream of water, then enjoy the (almost white) strawberry.
We do it all the time. it requires responsibility and adequate treatment, but it is doable once you do it out of the instructions of the sefer "A Kosher Koch" and you follow exactly the instructions.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 06:47 AM Anonymous Says:
Like all studies, in 2 years from now there may be a new study released that strawberries cause who know what, like coffee and eggs etc etc. that the results keep on changing from healthy to dangerous, negative to positive and to negative again.
I wouldn't rely on those studies.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 06:47 AM David Says:
Jews have been eating strawberries for thousands of years, bugs have been around for millions of years. Why stop eating strawberries now?
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Jul 31, 2009 at 06:22 AM Anonymous Says:
You can always freeze them and puree them, according to many authorities. Or you can live on potatoes and iceberg lettuce and enjoy your multiple chronic diseases.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 04:49 AM bugsshmugs Says:
The mishna says that the bais hamikdash didn't have a fly/bug in the slaughtering area. But everyone else in the world did. If you think you need to live in a vacuum/bubble go ahead but no one else has to or ever did. There are bugs flying all over outside, watch where you open your mouth.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 01:56 AM Anonymous Says:
Kosher Problem, that is not how one approaches machlokes between contemporary poskim. You can't just say safek deorisa lechumra, because the safek here isn't within the din, only between the legitimate positions of the opposing poskim. And there is no machlokes when it comes to "Aseh lecha rav," so go and ask your posek/mara d'atra what to do. Following a legitimate posek is never bedieved provided they are poskening lechatchila. Regardless, I didn't even think there was a machlokes poskim (please correct me if I'm wrong), at least not in America, so you shouldn't eat fresh strawberries anyway.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 07:21 AM Charlie Hall Says:
“ Like most "consumer science" of the day, this "research" should be taken with a grain of salt. Who wants to be that this research was sponsored, whether directly or indirectly, by strawberry producers/sellers? ”
The Chicago Health and Aging Project is funded by the National Institutes of Health.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 01:48 AM not too kosher Says:
well rabbonim announced that strawberries should not be eaten, they have way too many bugs, and very very difficult to wash clean, i was at that meeting, i saw how many times specialists tried washing the strawberries, and they still found bugs, so i guess its still healtier al pi halacha not to eat strawberries,
u can get more info if u contact the head of karlsburg beis din harav yitzchok stein,
a big kashruth mumcha
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Jul 31, 2009 at 07:57 AM Kogan Says:
“ well rabbonim announced that strawberries should not be eaten, they have way too many bugs, and very very difficult to wash clean, i was at that meeting, i saw how many times specialists tried washing the strawberries, and they still found bugs, so i guess its still healtier al pi halacha not to eat strawberries,
u can get more info if u contact the head of karlsburg beis din harav yitzchok stein,
a big kashruth mumcha ”
"well rabbonim announced that strawberries should not be eaten"
To broad of a statement. There are many rabbonim who see nothing wrong with strawberries. Bugs are everywhere! Previous generations were much more spiritually tuned in and on a higher levels, yet you don't see anywhere in the seforim of the complete prohibition of the strawberries and raspberries etc.
On top of it the way we have powerfull running water that we can wash our fruit and berries with and the way it was done for thousands of years previously, with some water in the bowl, cannot be compared. Besides most of the berries and fruit are prewashed before they get to the store.
Now we take out microscopes and look for the bugs?
Does not make sense!
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Jul 31, 2009 at 08:05 AM Anonymous Says:
“ well rabbonim announced that strawberries should not be eaten, they have way too many bugs, and very very difficult to wash clean, i was at that meeting, i saw how many times specialists tried washing the strawberries, and they still found bugs, so i guess its still healtier al pi halacha not to eat strawberries,
u can get more info if u contact the head of karlsburg beis din harav yitzchok stein,
a big kashruth mumcha ”
The bug issue is why me and many, many of my friends stopped listening to our rebbes. The idea of grown men hunting for "bugs" on a fruit eaten happily for hundreds of years was the trigger for many of us to begin asking some pretty serious questions about the whole culture of frumkeit. The Rabbonim should understand that pursuing these absurdities have consequences.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 08:23 AM It's the protein Says:
These scientists have it wrong. It's the protein from the bugs that make it healthy!
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Jul 31, 2009 at 08:37 AM berel Says:
#17 i dont think its right to make such comments on a torah oriented site. the 'rabbonim' didnt invent their own religion and those who have eaten strawbberries for hundreds of years without regard to bugs were nto shomrei torah.there were are plenty yidden who dont, didnt shomer shabbos, kashruth...so you dont listen to rabbonim anymore,but do you 'listen' to the S'U?
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Jul 31, 2009 at 08:45 AM Anonymous Says:
"I heard that no matter how much you wash them there are very little bugs that always stay on the strawbery. There is a machlokis of rabonim. But Sofaik dioraisa, Lehachmeir. Thats why I stoped eating them.I heard that no matter how much you wash them there are very little bugs that always stay on the strawbery. There is a machlokis of rabonim. But Sofaik dioraisa, Lehachmeir. Thats why I stoped eating them."
Safek lechumrah you should stop breathing too; there are bugs in the air.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 09:03 AM Luke Says:
Kosher cell phones, no strawberries, oye. I am with #17.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 08:56 AM berel Says:
if eating bugs ,which are a few laven deoirayse, are absurdities by you' so is most of the taryag, lets say no carrying on shabbos or the absudities of for bidden foods , horsemeat porketc i mean just take any mitzvah not siclious. the only conclusion i can come to, you are probably not a believer in torah misinai so why comment on this site? now i'm just pointing out, usually the retort would be 'sinas chinom'
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Jul 31, 2009 at 09:10 AM Suri Says:
“ The bug issue is why me and many, many of my friends stopped listening to our rebbes. The idea of grown men hunting for "bugs" on a fruit eaten happily for hundreds of years was the trigger for many of us to begin asking some pretty serious questions about the whole culture of frumkeit. The Rabbonim should understand that pursuing these absurdities have consequences. ”
Berel, Wow. Have you and your many friends stopped being observant or just stopped listening to your rebbes?
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Jul 31, 2009 at 09:06 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I heard that no matter how much you wash them there are very little bugs that always stay on the strawbery. There is a machlokis of rabonim. But Sofaik dioraisa, Lehachmeir. Thats why I stoped eating them. ”
My rov told me that if I don't see the bugs/worms and I wash the fruit, vegetable thoroughly I can eat them. You think we have more worms/bugs these days than in days past? And don't we have more sophisticated ways of growing fruits and vegetables with preventive measures against being eaten before they ripen by worms and bugs? I believe the rabonim should get busy with more important issues.......wash your fruits and vegetables and eat them.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 09:39 AM Anonymous Says:
“ The bug issue is why me and many, many of my friends stopped listening to our rebbes. The idea of grown men hunting for "bugs" on a fruit eaten happily for hundreds of years was the trigger for many of us to begin asking some pretty serious questions about the whole culture of frumkeit. The Rabbonim should understand that pursuing these absurdities have consequences. ”
According to the jewish religion you're not allowed to eat bugs.
Anything else is nice talk, irrelevant for observant jews.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 09:55 AM Anonymous Says:
“ "well rabbonim announced that strawberries should not be eaten"
To broad of a statement. There are many rabbonim who see nothing wrong with strawberries. Bugs are everywhere! Previous generations were much more spiritually tuned in and on a higher levels, yet you don't see anywhere in the seforim of the complete prohibition of the strawberries and raspberries etc.
On top of it the way we have powerfull running water that we can wash our fruit and berries with and the way it was done for thousands of years previously, with some water in the bowl, cannot be compared. Besides most of the berries and fruit are prewashed before they get to the store.
Now we take out microscopes and look for the bugs?
Does not make sense! ”
Can you name one Rav that said you're allowed to eat strawberries as it is?
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Jul 31, 2009 at 09:54 AM berel Says:
#23 please explain..thanks
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Jul 31, 2009 at 10:01 AM Suri Says:
“ if eating bugs ,which are a few laven deoirayse, are absurdities by you' so is most of the taryag, lets say no carrying on shabbos or the absudities of for bidden foods , horsemeat porketc i mean just take any mitzvah not siclious. the only conclusion i can come to, you are probably not a believer in torah misinai so why comment on this site? now i'm just pointing out, usually the retort would be 'sinas chinom' ”
Berel-you judge quickly, and I'm assuming you know that judging your fellow Jew is a sin too, right? There are many rabonim that consider this "bug syndrome" to be a mishegas and don't paskin the way your rabbis do. Just because you don't know about them doesn't mean there isn't a school of thought within the observant oilam that doesn't agree with this bug craziness. You obviously only know one way and can't for the life of you imagine differences of opinion in halacha. That's the world we live in. Some rabbis come out with a p'sak and anyone else with another point of view (and I'm referring to rabonim and dayanim and poskim, not laymen) is labeled not orthodox.. You talk of sinas chimon on the part of people who retort....I have a sneaking suspicion you would benefit from opening your heart and loving your fellow Jew, really loving your fellow Jew. I don't know of any past poskim throughout our history that didn't have opposition all through their lives on all issues. The Torah was given to all Jews and there are many competent poskim out there. Not all orthodox Jews have to follow your poskim. Eilu Veelu divrei elokim chaim.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 10:06 AM Anonymous Says:
“ My rov told me that if I don't see the bugs/worms and I wash the fruit, vegetable thoroughly I can eat them. You think we have more worms/bugs these days than in days past? And don't we have more sophisticated ways of growing fruits and vegetables with preventive measures against being eaten before they ripen by worms and bugs? I believe the rabonim should get busy with more important issues.......wash your fruits and vegetables and eat them. ”
1. May I see your smicha to pasken? obviously you ain't got any, cause what you're saying is against halacha.
2) The DOH banned 20 years ago certain pesticides and insecticides, and this caused a big rise in the appearence of bugs and worms in our fruit and vegetables.
Even more, they officially changed the allowance of how many bugs may be legally found in fruit and vegetables.
For instance, 100 grams (about 3 ozs.) of broccoli may "legally" have up to "40 bugs"! it shouldn't be considered infested.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 10:04 AM berel Says:
#24..'the rabbonim'...not all rabbonim are busy with one thing. and 'the rabbonim' that are busy with one thing in california are not the same 'rabbonim' from beitar who are busy with something else, are not the 'rabbonim' from chicago, who are busy with something else etc, etc. On the other hand if you are just mocking rabbonim as in #17 , 'vahmalik al divrei chachamim ein lo chailik leolom haba', then i have nothing to say.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 10:18 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Berel-you judge quickly, and I'm assuming you know that judging your fellow Jew is a sin too, right? There are many rabonim that consider this "bug syndrome" to be a mishegas and don't paskin the way your rabbis do. Just because you don't know about them doesn't mean there isn't a school of thought within the observant oilam that doesn't agree with this bug craziness. You obviously only know one way and can't for the life of you imagine differences of opinion in halacha. That's the world we live in. Some rabbis come out with a p'sak and anyone else with another point of view (and I'm referring to rabonim and dayanim and poskim, not laymen) is labeled not orthodox.. You talk of sinas chimon on the part of people who retort....I have a sneaking suspicion you would benefit from opening your heart and loving your fellow Jew, really loving your fellow Jew. I don't know of any past poskim throughout our history that didn't have opposition all through their lives on all issues. The Torah was given to all Jews and there are many competent poskim out there. Not all orthodox Jews have to follow your poskim. Eilu Veelu divrei elokim chaim. ”
Can you name 1 posek or kashrus authority that allowes to eat strawberries as is?
Even the big national kashrus authorities that try to find every heter possible for many products, would still not say you can eat strawberries as it is without some sort of cleanse.
The biggest meikilim would require some sort of serious cleaning of the berry before consuming.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 10:12 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Kosher cell phones, no strawberries, oye. I am with #17. ”
Think islam is much more lenient with bugs and cell phones..
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Jul 31, 2009 at 10:18 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Berel-you judge quickly, and I'm assuming you know that judging your fellow Jew is a sin too, right? There are many rabonim that consider this "bug syndrome" to be a mishegas and don't paskin the way your rabbis do. Just because you don't know about them doesn't mean there isn't a school of thought within the observant oilam that doesn't agree with this bug craziness. You obviously only know one way and can't for the life of you imagine differences of opinion in halacha. That's the world we live in. Some rabbis come out with a p'sak and anyone else with another point of view (and I'm referring to rabonim and dayanim and poskim, not laymen) is labeled not orthodox.. You talk of sinas chimon on the part of people who retort....I have a sneaking suspicion you would benefit from opening your heart and loving your fellow Jew, really loving your fellow Jew. I don't know of any past poskim throughout our history that didn't have opposition all through their lives on all issues. The Torah was given to all Jews and there are many competent poskim out there. Not all orthodox Jews have to follow your poskim. Eilu Veelu divrei elokim chaim. ”
Can you name 1 posek or kashrus authority that allowes to eat strawberries as is?
Even the big national kashrus authorities that try to find every heter possible for many products, would still not say you can eat strawberries as it is without some sort of cleanse.
The biggest meikilim would require some sort of serious cleaning of the berry before consuming.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 10:12 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Kosher cell phones, no strawberries, oye. I am with #17. ”
Think islam is much more lenient with bugs and cell phones..
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Jul 31, 2009 at 10:27 AM suri Says:
“ #24..'the rabbonim'...not all rabbonim are busy with one thing. and 'the rabbonim' that are busy with one thing in california are not the same 'rabbonim' from beitar who are busy with something else, are not the 'rabbonim' from chicago, who are busy with something else etc, etc. On the other hand if you are just mocking rabbonim as in #17 , 'vahmalik al divrei chachamim ein lo chailik leolom haba', then i have nothing to say. ”
Berel, I'm not mocking rabonim. I'm stating a fact. My rov paskins differently. He and I are both observant. I sacrificed my adult life for torah due to dayanim and rabonim not wanting to get involved. This is what causes me to say that "they should get busy with the important issues, you know, the issues that the navi yeshayahu talks about, protecting the innocent, the downtrodden, the almana the aguna, the people who are neglected etc....
I'm tired of the hamon am declaring psak halacha based on their posek and disregarding the fact that there is room in the torah for many poskim and each has the discretion to paskin based on his mesorah, based on his rebbes way of thinking. Don't be so quick to take away another Jew's place in olam haba. You should work on your fear of Hasem. This will help you, I guarantee.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 10:26 AM Anonymous Says:
“ The bug issue is why me and many, many of my friends stopped listening to our rebbes. The idea of grown men hunting for "bugs" on a fruit eaten happily for hundreds of years was the trigger for many of us to begin asking some pretty serious questions about the whole culture of frumkeit. The Rabbonim should understand that pursuing these absurdities have consequences. ”
Did you stop observing shabbos because all chumros of shabbos?
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Jul 31, 2009 at 10:30 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Berel-you judge quickly, and I'm assuming you know that judging your fellow Jew is a sin too, right? There are many rabonim that consider this "bug syndrome" to be a mishegas and don't paskin the way your rabbis do. Just because you don't know about them doesn't mean there isn't a school of thought within the observant oilam that doesn't agree with this bug craziness. You obviously only know one way and can't for the life of you imagine differences of opinion in halacha. That's the world we live in. Some rabbis come out with a p'sak and anyone else with another point of view (and I'm referring to rabonim and dayanim and poskim, not laymen) is labeled not orthodox.. You talk of sinas chimon on the part of people who retort....I have a sneaking suspicion you would benefit from opening your heart and loving your fellow Jew, really loving your fellow Jew. I don't know of any past poskim throughout our history that didn't have opposition all through their lives on all issues. The Torah was given to all Jews and there are many competent poskim out there. Not all orthodox Jews have to follow your poskim. Eilu Veelu divrei elokim chaim. ”
Bug syndrome is part of torah syndrome and halocha syndrome.
Those who feel the torah or halochos are to hard of a burden on them suffer from "secular syndrome" which stems originally from yetzer hora syndrome..
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Jul 31, 2009 at 11:02 AM Suri Says:
“ Bug syndrome is part of torah syndrome and halocha syndrome.
Those who feel the torah or halochos are to hard of a burden on them suffer from "secular syndrome" which stems originally from yetzer hora syndrome.. ”
To #37. There are many halochos that many neglect to keep. You know that as well as I do. The frum world picks on specific issues and goes to war. Every observant Jew should take his/her p'sak from their rav/posek. I dared to state my rav's psak and you decide that my term "bug syndrome" is offensive and decide that a Jew who doesn't adhere to this p'sak which you call now halacha-is a yetzer hora follower.
To #29 who says:2) The DOH banned 20 years ago certain pesticides and insecticides, and this caused a big rise in the appearence of bugs and worms in our fruit and vegetables.
Wasn't there a time when pesticides and insecticides didn't exist? The DOH banned this 20 years ago. So what? Maybe it's worse halachically to eat the fruits and vegetables with these pesticides and insecticides because your endangering your life by ingesting poisons. I'm not trying to paskin here, I'm just making some points for pondering. My main point is that I have a right to ask my rav how to handle my fruits and vegetables prior to eating them. I get my p'sak from him. There's no daas torah that can argue this way of living for a torah observant Jew.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 11:02 AM berel Says:
#30 there are rabbonim who are busy with those issues, besides the myriad of chesed organizations that are busy with those issues who follow those 'rabbonim' s guidelines who, in turn, follow the S"U guidelines
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Jul 31, 2009 at 10:55 AM bere Says:
#28 now dont start with the hate business, didnt we agree on new guidelines. remember, you called them absurduties. an ehrliche yid doesnt call these halachas absurdities. if its true like you mentioned, it a machlokes haposkim you dont lable those who are against ,absurd. You mentioned you stopped listening to rabbonim because of these absurdities so now you come, as prerdicted, 'judjing', 'sin',... the eating of bugs is a more severe sin than pointing out your anti rabbonim veiws. can you name 1 ehrlicha rov a yirei shomayim,(rabbi does not automatically mean 'vhureuicho beyiras hashem')who have such view and if yes ,see line 3. now examples i wont (of those kind rabbis,) give as not to break accepted rules. As predicted thats what people who ..never mind . there was never a machlokos haoskim to matir issur deoireise.from your heated retort i can see im right .where does the subject of loving your fellow jew come in if one points out the error of their ways. and remember ,#17 you said you stopped listening to 'our rebbes' not other poskim,so what conclusion should one come to ? #28 if a rabbi comes out with a psak which is aganst the shulchun urech of course he's not frum. theres is no such thing as orthiodox , reform, etc ,either your a shomrei torah or not yet one...and if i label someone not a shom rei torah because thats the conclusion i come to as a result of my understanding of his comments, thats hate? . i dont hate him for that .one has to point it out so if he is in error he should know, and if he's in spite ..'sahnu minus deuso lamshichay abasrey' since ehrliche yidden read this site, some who are not as learned might c'v be affected
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Jul 31, 2009 at 11:08 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I heard that no matter how much you wash them there are very little bugs that always stay on the strawbery. There is a machlokis of rabonim. But Sofaik dioraisa, Lehachmeir. Thats why I stoped eating them. ”
I dont know what you are talking about...I buy Strawberries by Costco... no problem! I put them under a microscope,and never found anything!
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Jul 31, 2009 at 12:06 PM torn apart Says:
Is it worth being over on so many lavim to increase good health? This a really though dilemma and takes a lot of mesiras nefesh to be able to really make such a decision.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 12:04 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I dont know what you are talking about...I buy Strawberries by Costco... no problem! I put them under a microscope,and never found anything! ”
The thrips (bugs) that almost every strawberry is full of them, are sleeky and very sneaky, they love to hide behind the seeds (kernels) so the blend in with the small fiber sticks that look very similar in size and appearance to the bugs.
One who is not familiar with the bugs would easily confuse them.
I check strawberries all the time, and I hardly find a pack of strawberries that's not full of bugs, Thrips and Aphids.
Strawberries are in fact one of the most infestsed fruits in our market.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 12:26 PM suri Says:
“ Think islam is much more lenient with bugs and cell phones.. ”
“ Think islam is much more lenient with bugs and cell phones.. ”
#21 :)
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Jul 31, 2009 at 11:59 AM Anonymous Says:
Buy Australian strawberries.
No bugs, and the strawberries are actually red inside, not white !
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Jul 31, 2009 at 11:58 AM Charlie Hall Says:
From the Star-K web site:
FRUITS
Strawberries
1. Fill basin with water and some liquid cleanser* or special strawberry wash
(such as Tsunami 100).
2. Soak strawberries while agitating the water.
3. Rinse strawberries under a stream of water.
4. It is preferable to cut off the top with a small amount of the flesh.
5. Strawberries may now be used.
Raspberries
1. Take three raspberries out of a pint.
2. Check outside of raspberry.
3. Blow into cavity of raspberry.
4. Check for insects crawling out.
5. If no insects are found, all berries may be eaten. If one insect is found, then all berries must be checked.
* Note: Be sure to use a food grade cleanser that meets all federal, state, and local regulations, and rinse well to remove detergent.
http://www.star-k.org/cons-appr-vegetables.htm (referenced today)
Star-K also has videos showing how to check fruits and vegetables:
http://www.star-k.org/cons-appr-vegetables-videos-list.htm
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Jul 31, 2009 at 11:58 AM suri Says:
“ #28 now dont start with the hate business, didnt we agree on new guidelines. remember, you called them absurduties. an ehrliche yid doesnt call these halachas absurdities. if its true like you mentioned, it a machlokes haposkim you dont lable those who are against ,absurd. You mentioned you stopped listening to rabbonim because of these absurdities so now you come, as prerdicted, 'judjing', 'sin',... the eating of bugs is a more severe sin than pointing out your anti rabbonim veiws. can you name 1 ehrlicha rov a yirei shomayim,(rabbi does not automatically mean 'vhureuicho beyiras hashem')who have such view and if yes ,see line 3. now examples i wont (of those kind rabbis,) give as not to break accepted rules. As predicted thats what people who ..never mind . there was never a machlokos haoskim to matir issur deoireise.from your heated retort i can see im right .where does the subject of loving your fellow jew come in if one points out the error of their ways. and remember ,#17 you said you stopped listening to 'our rebbes' not other poskim,so what conclusion should one come to ? #28 if a rabbi comes out with a psak which is aganst the shulchun urech of course he's not frum. theres is no such thing as orthiodox , reform, etc ,either your a shomrei torah or not yet one...and if i label someone not a shom rei torah because thats the conclusion i come to as a result of my understanding of his comments, thats hate? . i dont hate him for that .one has to point it out so if he is in error he should know, and if he's in spite ..'sahnu minus deuso lamshichay abasrey' since ehrliche yidden read this site, some who are not as learned might c'v be affected ”
Bere, you're not reading who's writing what? I never said I stopped listening to rabbonim. someone else did. I said I have my own rav who told me that I need only wash and check my fruits and vegetables really thoroughly and then I can eat them. Does it state in the shulchan aruch that one can not eat fruits and vegetables if don't see bugs and worms on and in them? Does the shulchan aruch spell out how one has to check their fruits and vegetables?
I didn't say hate. You said hate. You labeled someone on this site as being guilty of sinas chinam. I told you to work on your fear of Hashem. My rav did not come out with a p'sak against the shulchan aruch. He told me how to wash my fruits and vegetables and how to check them for bugs. He's a yarei shamayim the likes of which few people today know even exist. His p'sak is perfectly kahalacha and it's ok with me that others want to do things differently. I still maintain that our dayanim and poskim have to start getting busy with important issues. Hashiva shioftaeinu kevarishona......We say this every day in shemona esre. It's not irrelevant to today, it's most irrelevant and probably the reason moshiach isn't here yet. May He redeem us soon.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 01:41 PM Store Manager Says:
I worked for a supermarket, they used to sell washed and cleaned strawberries, since it was discovered that washing doesn't help too much, the baal machshir banned strawberries from the store.
The manager tried to get strawberries cleaned the same way packaged outside the store with a different label with a lower class hashgocha, he went around "shopping hashgochos", but was hardly able to find one reliable hasgocha to let him do it.
Finally he did manage to get one of the very low hashgochos (although they're quite a big hashgocho, their reliability is very low), he started to package it under a different name and label, then he started getting nervous and couldn't sleep at night, if so many machshirim turned him down on the offer, he is not going to feed yiddish kinder with this non kosher food, even if some machshir (that he himself doesn't trust) did agree on giving hasgocho on it. he stopped doing it.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 01:16 PM berel Says:
# 47 we can all work on our fear of hashem, ' ein tzddik boaretz asher yaso tov velo yechtah', but how does that come into our discussion? is it again deflecting that i'm talking about issurim deoireise and your saying regarding those isssurim 'bug crayziness' (#28)so your mocking, thats how we interpet those 2 words. its only your other posts that you say 'my rabbi...' that doent satisfy your mocking...
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Jul 31, 2009 at 11:54 AM Charlie Hall Says:
OU Strawberry Statement
Fresh strawberries have long been recognized as being prone to insect infestation, including aphids, small mites and thrips, and should not be consumed unless prepared in a proper manner. These insects are found primarily under the green leafy crown at the top of the strawberries. They can also be nestled on the surface of the berry. The insects tend to migrate from the top of the strawberry downward.
Recent claims have been made questioning the viability of any cleaning and checking procedure for strawberries. These claims have caused much confusion and concern in the kosher consuming community. The OU has carefully investigated these claims, and a series of experiments were performed to address this issue. Research has determined that when prepared and washed properly, the insects will be removed from the strawberry (this result has been confirmed by a group of Rabbonim and experts in the field, meeting in Lakewood on May 29, 2007).
The following is the OU’s recommended method for preparing strawberries as excerpted from the soon-to-be published “OU Guide to Checking, Fruits, Vegetables, and Berries” (2nd edition).
1. Remove the green leaves from the top of the strawberries, careful to not make a hole in the top of the strawberry. If a hole was made, the strawberry should then be cut in half, allowing you to wash both the inside and outside of the strawberry.
2. Place the strawberries in water that is concentrated with liquid soap.
3. Vigorously agitate the strawberries in water.
4. Allow the strawberries to soak in water for several minutes after agitation.
5. Wash each strawberry individually under a strong stream of running water, ensuring that the entire surface of the strawberry is thoroughly washed.
6. Dry strawberries, wiping their surface. Cautionary note: This procedure must be performed meticulously to achieve desired results.
A visual inspection should be made following the process.
Alternative Method:
1. Carefully remove the green leaf of the strawberry without making a hole in the top of the strawberry. If a hole was made, the strawberry should then be cut in half, allowing both the inside and outside of the strawberry to be washed.
2. Rub the surface of each individual berry while holding it under a stream of running water. Careful attention should be paid to the area beneath the green leaf at the top of the berry.
Long Stem Strawberries:
The beauty of highly priced long stem strawberries may be marred by contact with water and/or the removal of its green crown. We therefore recommend the following washing procedure.
Taking an individual strawberry in hand, lift the green leafy crown at the top of the berry and, with a soft brush, e.g., soft bristle paintbrush or women’s make-up brush, brush off entire surface of strawberry.
Each berry should be carefully inspected under strong light. Thrips may crawl into the crevices of the strawberry seeds. The entire surface area must be visually inspected. A magnifying glass can be a most helpful tool for easy identification of insects. We are not searching for insects that are invisible to the unaided eye. Magnification is recommended here to help alleviate eyestrain and speed the process of inspection.
If the strawberries are found to be heavily infested, the entire pallet should not be used.
http://www.oukosher.org/index.php/common/article/ou_strawberry_statement/
(referenced today)
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Jul 31, 2009 at 11:17 AM berel Says:
#38 there is a big difference with one who neglegts to keep a mitzvah because he suscumbed to temtations,the yatzer horah,and one who simply disregards even one mitzvah deoireise or derabbon and says 'this is not for me, this belongs to the dark ages etc.. the former is sill considered a yid the other is considered a mumer lehachis and is not ...and this is not a machlokes haposkim, your rabbi, my rabbi, that rabbi.unless its, ahem... were not alloewed to say .no rabbi in the world can pasken otheweise,.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 10:41 AM suri Says:
“ Can you name 1 posek or kashrus authority that allowes to eat strawberries as is?
Even the big national kashrus authorities that try to find every heter possible for many products, would still not say you can eat strawberries as it is without some sort of cleanse.
The biggest meikilim would require some sort of serious cleaning of the berry before consuming. ”
“ Can you name 1 posek or kashrus authority that allowes to eat strawberries as is?
Even the big national kashrus authorities that try to find every heter possible for many products, would still not say you can eat strawberries as it is without some sort of cleanse.
The biggest meikilim would require some sort of serious cleaning of the berry before consuming. ”
#31 - washing fruits and vegetables thoroughly-soaking them in salt water-is not eating them AS IS. Again, washing thoroughly, checking them thoroughly. I am listening to my rav, not just saying things that I heard others say or that makes me feel good. I never said picking them from the ground and eating them.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 10:38 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Berel, I'm not mocking rabonim. I'm stating a fact. My rov paskins differently. He and I are both observant. I sacrificed my adult life for torah due to dayanim and rabonim not wanting to get involved. This is what causes me to say that "they should get busy with the important issues, you know, the issues that the navi yeshayahu talks about, protecting the innocent, the downtrodden, the almana the aguna, the people who are neglected etc....
I'm tired of the hamon am declaring psak halacha based on their posek and disregarding the fact that there is room in the torah for many poskim and each has the discretion to paskin based on his mesorah, based on his rebbes way of thinking. Don't be so quick to take away another Jew's place in olam haba. You should work on your fear of Hasem. This will help you, I guarantee. ”
The gemora says: one that is mocking rabbonim and talmidei chachomim don't have a chelek in olam habah. period.
the gemorah doesn't say when one was a aguna or fighting with her husband and some dayan did side up with her she's allowed to talk on rabbonim.
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Jul 31, 2009 at 05:27 PM Anonymous Says:
“ #31 - washing fruits and vegetables thoroughly-soaking them in salt water-is not eating them AS IS. Again, washing thoroughly, checking them thoroughly. I am listening to my rav, not just saying things that I heard others say or that makes me feel good. I never said picking them from the ground and eating them. ”
The important thing is to learn what to look for. And how to look. Some one showed me what to look for and you are able to easily see the bugs. They are small but readily visible to thenaked eye. I was able t see them from a foot away without any magnification. Once they start scurrying about it is even easier. Before I was shown, I never noriced them. The point is many of those who say they never saw a bug is because they did not know what they were looking at. These are not microscopic just slightly camoflogued and is you do not know what a bug is you will look right past it.
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Aug 02, 2009 at 08:12 AM Anonymous Says:
“ The bug issue is why me and many, many of my friends stopped listening to our rebbes. The idea of grown men hunting for "bugs" on a fruit eaten happily for hundreds of years was the trigger for many of us to begin asking some pretty serious questions about the whole culture of frumkeit. The Rabbonim should understand that pursuing these absurdities have consequences. ”
I think it's being done so that the olam is distracted from the more serious shenanigans that we all see and hear about all around us...