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Published on: July 31, 2009 12:25 AM
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Teaneck, NJ - State Police responded to a 911 call from a driver seeing a small child alone in a vehicle.

The 2-year-old child was left alone in the vehicle while his parents went into Mini-Mart at the Exxon gas station on Rt-4 in NJ.

The couple who is from the Borough Park section of Brooklyn, was arrested and charged with endangering the welfare of their child. They were just released and ordered to appear in court the coming Monday. Community leaders are asking and reminding the public to be very careful not to leave a child alone even for one minute. New Jersey Police department from all towns will be on the lookout, cracking down any violators.



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1

 Jul 30, 2009 at 11:42 PM naughty but nice Says:

What could they be buying on Tisha B'av in a mini-mart.Maybe more to the point whatwas so pressing that they had to leave the baby car-alone.

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 Jul 30, 2009 at 11:49 PM AB Says:

This sounds innocent enough, they were at a gas station,not a mall, an over reaction.

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 Jul 30, 2009 at 11:51 PM What do u know Says:

Reply to #1  
naughty but nice Says:

What could they be buying on Tisha B'av in a mini-mart.Maybe more to the point whatwas so pressing that they had to leave the baby car-alone.

Maybe they needed in the bathroom ? I'm sure they did not want to endanger their child ....I am not saying they are right but please put yourself in other peoples shoes at least on the day of tisha bav

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:01 AM Anonymous Says:

what the heck is wrong with leaving the kid for two min while i run in to buy a pack of smokes or a coke , these cops are bored!

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 Jul 30, 2009 at 11:59 PM AAA Says:

comon all he did was step out to buy gas and went to pay.

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 Jul 30, 2009 at 11:58 PM Anonymous Says:

let's pray that everything will be ok this can happen to all of us soetimes u just need the bathroom

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 Jul 30, 2009 at 11:47 PM Mother Says:

OK, so who is going to be the first to riot, scream anti-semitism, & yell the poor, misguided parents are really wonderful, ehrliche, kind & generous people?

Bottom line: they are idiots. You don't leave a kid alone in a car! Period. Sorry, no sympathy here. They need some lessons in basic safety and common sense.

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 Jul 30, 2009 at 11:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Crazy parents no responsibilities

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 Jul 30, 2009 at 11:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Typical anti semitism. Police saw a yarmulka and thought how can we get thus couple. I heard the mom was actually standing at the door of the gas station keeping watch.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:22 AM Anonymous Says:

what thd heck? Since when cant someone leave a child for a minute?the cop was prob. Just jeolus that hes not married

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:30 AM Rivki Says:

Stop yelling anti-semitism every time a frum jew is arrested. The police were called by a caring individual who saw a child alone in a car. Stop sounding so paranoid.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 07:08 AM crack pot Says:

(1) my wife and I take turns at rest area's ' a smarter choice

(2) nj law has a gas attendant at the pump atall times so money wasn't the issue in regards to the poster saying perhaps they went in to pay.

(3) leaving a child in the car alone even for one minute is pure stupidity and selfish.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 07:06 AM Anonymous Says:

Yeah.
All those people who think that there is only justice with police, wait till your next runin with them. Who says antisemitisim? But the policeman definitley acted "stupidly".

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 07:03 AM sara Says:

Reply to #5  
AAA Says:

comon all he did was step out to buy gas and went to pay.

not in New Jersey. It's full serve only!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 06:57 AM Think Tank Says:

A 2 year old should not be left alone in a car period (never mind in a exxon station out there where you don't know which child molester might be there preying for them)
The police did the right thing, hopefully people will learn their lesson.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 06:50 AM careaboutyerkids Says:

Ever hear of taking turns? He goes in, she stays in the car, then when he comes back she goes in? Hmmm what could have happened? The car could have gotten very hot, the car could have been stolen,,, But what can we expect from ppl who come from a neighborhood where it is mekubal to leave a baby in a stroller outside on the street while the mother is inside the store? And No>>> you Can Not leave a child alone, not even for a minute!!!!!!!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 06:45 AM Anonymous Says:

If there was a couple with the child, why did they both have to go pay for gas or whatever? Pure negligence!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 06:40 AM Huh? Says:

First, the police were called by someone else, they didn't come looking for Jewish children left behind in cars. Second, it's a COUPLE here that got arrested. They couldn't take turns leaving the car? Even if they wanted to buy something or use the bathroom. They didn't have to simultaneously leave the car. That really does sound irresponsible.

I feel for this family, it's not an easy thing to go through, but I would not term the cops' involvement as anti-semitism.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 06:31 AM Anonymous Says:

What if some looney jumped in the car and drove off together with the kid, what would you say then?
It's a public gas station, not a private driveway.

Or if the two year old woke up and climbed into the front and got hold of the steering wheel? Heaven only help.

Or if the child wiggled out of it's car seat and opened the window and somehow accidentally closed the window on its own neck.... that's why they call it "freak accident."

That being said, I can't believe the parents were so negligent. Parenting classes should be mandatory especially for teenage parents. Perhaps there was a restroom emergency like 'diarhea.'

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 06:30 AM Anonymous Says:

The arrest seems harsh, but every summer infants die from being left alone in cars. Infants can overheat very quickly. I've heard of similar arrests for leaving an infant alone for just a minute or two in a car. After the authorities investigate and make sure there is no child endangerment in the home, the charges usually get dropped after a probationary period to make sure the children are safe.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 06:24 AM berel Says:

#9 when you have burglers in your home do you also say 'those anti-semitic' cops, and refrain from calling them?

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 06:23 AM Anonymous Says:

So you are driving upstate and you need to use the restroom. You park at a gas station 100 feet away and come back after 2 to 3 minutes .

Actually not bringing your child into the restroom with you, is a positive for many reasons.

Policemen aside from their title can act arbritrary or even "stupid" like many civil servants.

Some of them have unfortunatally lost what little common sense they may have been born with.

Next time look for a cop and make him/her your babysitter.

After all does not their logo read "To serve and protect".

Let them serve !!!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 06:22 AM berel Says:

#3 if they need the lavatory they should go one at a time ..if was very pressing, let them take the child alone .please no excuse.. chamira scant meissurah...

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 06:19 AM Anonymous Says:

what would any more responsible parent do? You have a baby straped in its infant seat, you need to use the mens room for a leak in the gas station. How many of you would take your baby with you?

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 06:15 AM Leah Says:

Unfortunately, in summer, even if it's not terribly hot outside, a car can overheat enough to kill a child in as little as five minutes, even if a window is "cracked."
Moreover, in New Jersey, there are enough evil people that you should never ever ever leave a 2-year-old out of your sight. I'm sure the parents only left for a few minutes and didn't mean to do something bad, but that wouldn't comfort them if something terrible happened.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 06:00 AM Devo K. Says:

All it takes is one minute for someone to drive off with your car, baby and all.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 05:54 AM mechel Says:

The baby was probably sleeping so the parents didn't wanna wake the kid. Now when nature call ya gotta take the call.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 05:52 AM jewinjerusalem Says:

The couple is guilty! No anti-semitism at all. In this case it's even more obvious than usual. There were 2 parents. One could watch as the other uses the bathroom.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 05:36 AM Anonymous Says:

At first reading I concludrd the parents were idiots. Then I reread.
This happened AT A GAS STATION! I am very careful but I have left a child in the car while I went in to prepay. It may very well be that one parent was watching from the door.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 05:31 AM laidigaier Says:

Although this law had beeen enacteded to protect minors, if you tecnically violate this law common sense will not have any bearing on the circumstance any longer. This would mean if you are outside the vehicle and the minor is inside even for a moment you have violated the law and you become a child molester with all its remefications! Be satisfied that the individual may not come under Magen's law, the law is mute on this issue and it will be left to the discretion of the presiding judge.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 05:12 AM NeveAliza Says:

While it's true you can't kill your child by suffocation or overheating within the minute or two you abandon him/her while you buy your smokes, it only takes one second for a stranger to walk off with him/her.
What's also strange about this case is that the "parents" went into the store - both of them. Why couldn't one stay with the child? Seems like a lot of smokes.

32

 Jul 31, 2009 at 05:10 AM Anonymous Says:

Let Obama invite the parents and the cop to the white house for some beer
and straighten out this mess

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 05:02 AM yossi Says:

I had a friend whose kid was sleeping in the car and didn't want to wake her. So, he openned all the windows and sat on the stoop which was 5 ft from the kid. A cop drove by and asked him what he was doing. He told them. Cop said he was called down for child endagerment and gave him a citation. He got off, but there is no 2 min rule. If you are not with your kid in the same actual location, you are endagering your child. If a child I'd running 10 ft ahead of you, you are not with your child. The kid may be on the sidewalk, but he, theoretically, can be in the street. You can explain it to a judge the circumstances. However, the letter of the law makes no time limit or proximity. The cops did what the law states.
We all do something like this. I stopped the car and dumped my letters in a mail box, just yesterday. Theoretically, a car-jacker could have jumped in and stole my kids. Yes, the chances were less than imaginable, but they were there. I endangered my child because I was lazy. Our parents did it to us, and we continue the pattern. Our parents didn't know the dangers. We do. We all rode with no seatbelts and 3 or more ppl in the front seat. Whoever heard of a car seat. Time has shown us dangers unknown. Don't be a lazy idiot like me. I was wrong. I might have beaten the ticket, if I had gotten one, but I was still guilty. My children should not forgive me and if something would have happened, ch"v, or if they do it to their kids and something, ch"v, happens to their kid, I would never forgive myself. So, please, let's take care of our children.
Yes, I believe it was directed at the Jews here. Hkbr"h wanted you to realize that you wouldn't leave a stack of money for 2 min in a car so why did you leave an irreplaceable Jewish child?
May all our children be healthy ad bias goel bmh"b, amen.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 04:21 AM laidigaier Says:

Although this law had beeen enacteded to protect minors, if you tecnically violate this law common sense will not have any bearing on the circumstance any longer. This would mean if you are outside the vehicle and the minor is inside even for a moment you have violated the law and you become a child molester with all its remefications! Be satisfied that the individual may not come under Magen's law, the law is mute on this issue and it will be left to the discretion of the presiding judge.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 04:18 AM Zach Kessin Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

what the heck is wrong with leaving the kid for two min while i run in to buy a pack of smokes or a coke , these cops are bored!

Whats wrong is that the inside of a car can reach 140F in minutes in the sun. You could literally cook you child to death while you are so busy getting a pack of smokes!

These cops are not board, kids DIE every summer from being left in cars.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 03:18 AM The Law says Says:

What's the law in NY? I know in Chicago there is a law on the books about how long a child can be left in a car, the law there is that if you the child stays in your line of vision, then you have a couple (I forget exactly how may) minutes, that by law you can leave them unattended in the car. I never leave my kids in the car though

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 02:42 AM Marc Says:

to all those who yell 'anti-semitism'.especially#9, When police see a kippah in Teaneck, they are not anti-semitic.. The Mayor and half the town council are Frum. The couple were irresponsible. period. Get some facts correct

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 02:34 AM Anonymous Says:

I don't get it, do people Really think that a parent who leaves a child alone in a car is just normal? Would they let alone a bag of million dollars cash in the car even for half a minute? You don't leave your child alone in a car! And if you do you deserve to get arrested!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 02:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

Typical anti semitism. Police saw a yarmulka and thought how can we get thus couple. I heard the mom was actually standing at the door of the gas station keeping watch.

Before screaming and abuse the word "Antisemit" think twice: how long does it take for a thief to jump in a car with the engine on and drive it a way with the baby inside? Oh so you want to tell me that the key was not inside and they left the baby in the car with no air condition? How many tragedies happened r"l like that? And you say the mom was at the gas station door, why couldn't she seat in the car and avoid the whole problem? So before using the word "Antisemit" think again!!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 02:16 AM Anonymous Says:

First a technical note. If it was on Route 4 it had to be Bergen County Police, not the State Police.

Second, an opinion on the matter. In today's day and age, there is no excuse to leaving a child in a car, especially on a hot day even for a minute. Would you leave a diamond on the seat of your car? You should treat your children as your most precious possession. By leaving a child in a car you run the risk of a. having the car stolen, b. losing the key or getting distracted and the child frying in the heat or c. someone simply taking the child. All this can be mitigated by simply taking the child with you. You would if it was a million dollars diamond.

A child is our most precious possession. Why make excuses not to treat it like that?

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 07:28 AM Anonymous Says:

G-d Bless the coupleand the case should be dismissed. Amen. Stop judging and look for ways to help.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 07:25 AM Anonymous Says:

If someone called 911 and by the time the police showed up he child was still alone,that means the child was in the car alone quite a while,and the mother couldve waited till the father comes back and then she wld go. She did not have to go along.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 07:14 AM cool masmid Says:

Reply to #7  
Mother Says:

OK, so who is going to be the first to riot, scream anti-semitism, & yell the poor, misguided parents are really wonderful, ehrliche, kind & generous people?

Bottom line: they are idiots. You don't leave a kid alone in a car! Period. Sorry, no sympathy here. They need some lessons in basic safety and common sense.

Firstly, no name calling as has been discussed by this site, secondly I can only think what kind of mother you must be if you say no sympathy for these parents for what seems an honest mistake- because this child and any others if they have are going to suffer the most as a result of any charges brought against these good parents.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 07:14 AM Anonymous Says:

we need more facts. how long were they in the mini mart? were police really called or they were there and noticed the child? if police were called then it must have been for an extended period of time.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 01:37 AM mewhoze Says:

no one should EVER leave their child in the car by themselves. not even for a moment.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 01:35 AM Tzaddik Misnaged Says:

It is life-threatening to leave a little child alone in a car,especially with windows closed in the heat. The car could roll,be hit,or the child could hurt himself by making a bad movement.The "2" minutes may last 20. Besides.IT IS THE LAW! Don't people get it? We must obey the law!If you go through a red light and get ticketed,is that also anti-semitism? What a bunch of fools we live with today!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 01:34 AM Anonymous Says:

I would love if someone did some research, of the following question. How many kids were run over by cars when the parents did take them out of the car, to how many kids were hurt when the parents did leave then in the car for a few minutes?
Let me ask you, a single driver who needs the bathroom, where should she leave her child, unsuervised in the rest are, or locked in the car?

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 01:26 AM Anonymous Says:

can we assume that the car was locked and being watched by at least one parent? this was by a gas station mini-mart, this is not extensive grocery shopping or mall shopping (i will also assume the car was sufficiently cooled, as leaving a child alone for more then five minutes in a hot car is very unhealthy) the car could not have been more then ten -twenty feet away. If, at least one parent was watching there is nothing wrong, how much time could they have spent in the mini-mart? I will not say that this is anti-semitism but the cop or perhaps the person that called was overzealous. Much worse, while definitely happening less frequently then before but does still occur are parents who leave a baby unattended in a stroller on a sidewalk while shopping, at least keeping a kid in a car the car is locked and we assume that at least one parent was watching nearby. When you leave a baby outside you completely ignore the child and anyone can chasvishalom just walk off with the baby. If you see someone doing this you must take it upon yourself to explain to them the dangers involved only simchas

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 01:25 AM Anonymous Says:

sorry this is totally stupid what else should u do if u have to run out for a minute if it would have been in a mall or something then I understand but how big is a gas station & they have these huge glass windows & the keys were not in the car but based on this philosophy that big brother tells us exactly how to live our lives then we should have them pay ALL our bills because they are responsible for us... NOT... mind your own business no one was in any danger & the kid was alone for a few minutes in the car right next to his parents common scense is not part of life here anymore its only by the book & look how we look I do not recognize this country in the olden times people weren't afraid to leave there kids alone because the police would arrest the perverts not the hard working parents, this is called backwords thinking.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:52 AM Anonymous Says:

what are people thinking? one does not leave a child alone in the car even for one minute!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:50 AM here here Says:

actually these cops are to be commended, and they need to be reassigned to 18th avenue, and they can start arresting all the mishugoyim who leave their children in strollers while they shop for clothing!!!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:44 AM Anonymous Says:

I remember once I had my 2 year old son in my car in the summer it was very hot out side that day. I went in to a store and forgot that I have my son in car. My son was sleeping and I totally forgot from him. I'm a very responsible father and when I used to see stories like this I always use to wonder on the parents how they can do such a thing. Now I know that it can happen. B"H that nothing happened to my son but I felt terrible after this. From then on I decided that when I'm driving alone with a child in car without my wife I take of my left show for a reminder.
Don't judge people to fast it can happen to everyone.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:43 AM Anonymous Says:

as long as the child is within viewing distance such as in this case the mother wqs standing at the door ,the passerby did not see the mother and called the cops.
Lesson is don't take a chance even if its in your eye sight if you have to step out take the child with you or take turns watching.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:36 AM Dave Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

what thd heck? Since when cant someone leave a child for a minute?the cop was prob. Just jeolus that hes not married

Because children die each year from hyperthermia because they were left in a car.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 07:44 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

At first reading I concludrd the parents were idiots. Then I reread.
This happened AT A GAS STATION! I am very careful but I have left a child in the car while I went in to prepay. It may very well be that one parent was watching from the door.

In New Jersey, the gas attendant fills your car with gas and puts in your credit card or takes cash if you prepay. All is done by the attendant. The driver does not get out of the car.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 07:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

I would love if someone did some research, of the following question. How many kids were run over by cars when the parents did take them out of the car, to how many kids were hurt when the parents did leave then in the car for a few minutes?
Let me ask you, a single driver who needs the bathroom, where should she leave her child, unsuervised in the rest are, or locked in the car?

Easy. You bring the child into the bathroom with you.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 07:50 AM amazing Says:

its amazing how you ignorant people have an answer for everything. Your response to this story was " oh it was only for 2 minutes whats the big deal"... if this story had been about the kids who died after being left in the car, your answer would have been "lets say tehilim and do teshuvah" and not judge the parents"

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 07:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

what thd heck? Since when cant someone leave a child for a minute?the cop was prob. Just jeolus that hes not married

Im not judging them, who know what the circumstances were, but you definitely should not ever leave a child alone in a car a car could be stolen in less than minute c"v.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:02 AM barry Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

If someone called 911 and by the time the police showed up he child was still alone,that means the child was in the car alone quite a while,and the mother couldve waited till the father comes back and then she wld go. She did not have to go along.

Good point.
Why doesn't everyone understand that.
Did they not read the article?

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 07:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #49  
Anonymous Says:

sorry this is totally stupid what else should u do if u have to run out for a minute if it would have been in a mall or something then I understand but how big is a gas station & they have these huge glass windows & the keys were not in the car but based on this philosophy that big brother tells us exactly how to live our lives then we should have them pay ALL our bills because they are responsible for us... NOT... mind your own business no one was in any danger & the kid was alone for a few minutes in the car right next to his parents common scense is not part of life here anymore its only by the book & look how we look I do not recognize this country in the olden times people weren't afraid to leave there kids alone because the police would arrest the perverts not the hard working parents, this is called backwords thinking.

Not everything is ok just because it was done by prior generations. We live and learn more. Should we say its ok to smoke because our grandparents' generation smoked when they didn't know the risks. They didn't wear seatbelts either and more people were injured in car accidents. Many more people died in fires before we had smoke detectors.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 07:54 AM Mother Says:

Reply to #43  
cool masmid Says:

Firstly, no name calling as has been discussed by this site, secondly I can only think what kind of mother you must be if you say no sympathy for these parents for what seems an honest mistake- because this child and any others if they have are going to suffer the most as a result of any charges brought against these good parents.

A MISTAKE??? Leaving a toddler in a car is not a mistake. It's negligence. Hope they are terrified, it's what they deserve. The only good thing out of this is that it is a reminder to everyone else.

Don't criticize my parenting skills: I don't leave young kids alone in a car, mister! Maybe you & your wife do & that's why you're so defensive. Based on what we've read, I don't know how you can say they're good parents...unless, of course, it's you or your relative!

A few years ago the same scenario was widely reported in a mall parking lot on Long Island. I know the couple involved: she was a former student & a friend of my daughter, he is my son in law's old friend. Their excuses didn't hold water & if I remember correctly they spent some time in jail & they had the child removed from the home. Why don't you contact them & ask them if they were wrong & if they'd do it again? I can give your their info.

A few weeks ago a frum woman had her car car-jacked with her baby in it in S. Carolina...at a gas station, I believe! You still think that this stuff can't happen???

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:06 AM Anonymous Says:

What this couple did was terrible and scary. What's even more scary is how many of you see no problem with this!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:05 AM Anonymous Says:

Can no one think posotive here for a minute? It can very well be that both parents ate somthing that made them both sick and they had to use the rest room at the same time (Emergency), they pull into a service station park and lock the car and then turn on the engin via remote, so the child is safe because the car is locked and out of heat danger as well because the cars AC is cooling the car as well (this is how I do it), so stop judging and start thinking posotive because this is what you would have wanted someone else to do if G-D forbid this happened to you.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:04 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Mother Says:

OK, so who is going to be the first to riot, scream anti-semitism, & yell the poor, misguided parents are really wonderful, ehrliche, kind & generous people?

Bottom line: they are idiots. You don't leave a kid alone in a car! Period. Sorry, no sympathy here. They need some lessons in basic safety and common sense.

Your 100 percent right that was very irisponsible but people make mistakes and hopefully they had lerned a lesson already

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:11 AM Anonymous Says:


Must be some young immature couple that got married before they were ready and think life and kids are fun

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

what thd heck? Since when cant someone leave a child for a minute?the cop was prob. Just jeolus that hes not married

would you leave a child unattended at a swimming pool with out a life guard?

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:13 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

So you are driving upstate and you need to use the restroom. You park at a gas station 100 feet away and come back after 2 to 3 minutes .

Actually not bringing your child into the restroom with you, is a positive for many reasons.

Policemen aside from their title can act arbritrary or even "stupid" like many civil servants.

Some of them have unfortunatally lost what little common sense they may have been born with.

Next time look for a cop and make him/her your babysitter.

After all does not their logo read "To serve and protect".

Let them serve !!!

I hope u aren't in charge of children

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

First a technical note. If it was on Route 4 it had to be Bergen County Police, not the State Police.

Second, an opinion on the matter. In today's day and age, there is no excuse to leaving a child in a car, especially on a hot day even for a minute. Would you leave a diamond on the seat of your car? You should treat your children as your most precious possession. By leaving a child in a car you run the risk of a. having the car stolen, b. losing the key or getting distracted and the child frying in the heat or c. someone simply taking the child. All this can be mitigated by simply taking the child with you. You would if it was a million dollars diamond.

A child is our most precious possession. Why make excuses not to treat it like that?

get your fact straight because a state police can ticket you on a city street too.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:23 AM Shlomo Says:

Reply to #30  
laidigaier Says:

Although this law had beeen enacteded to protect minors, if you tecnically violate this law common sense will not have any bearing on the circumstance any longer. This would mean if you are outside the vehicle and the minor is inside even for a moment you have violated the law and you become a child molester with all its remefications! Be satisfied that the individual may not come under Magen's law, the law is mute on this issue and it will be left to the discretion of the presiding judge.

Child endangerment and child molestation are two different things. Even if convicted, they wouldn't fall under Megan's Law.
Leaving a child in a car is unwise as it is easy to become distracted and not realize how much time has elapsed and how hot the car may have become (remember: the cops were called by a passing motorist---this couldn't have been just a minute or two).
Lastly, most cops will use some discretion and common sense before making an arrest but the threshold for child endangerment is very low: better to err on the side of caution (protecting the child) and let the investigators and courts determine the "totality of the circumstances."

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:21 AM Anonymous Says:

to anonymous 10: you're right the cop was " jealos", but not because he wasnt married like you. it was the perfect spelling that drove him insane with envy

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Do you think this mother would have left her purse, camera, or laptop in the car unattended? Somehow it seems ok to many of you that she actually left her kid alone in the car. Crazy

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:38 AM suri Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

what would any more responsible parent do? You have a baby straped in its infant seat, you need to use the mens room for a leak in the gas station. How many of you would take your baby with you?

#24 Count me in for one that would take my child with me to the bathroom. I hope everyone else would too. You people are pathetically unqualified to be parents. And we wonder why we have so many "at risk" teenagers. You don't know the basics!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:38 AM Anonymous Says:

What this couple did was terrible and scary. What's even more scary is how many of you see no problem with this!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:35 AM suri Says:

Reply to #7  
Mother Says:

OK, so who is going to be the first to riot, scream anti-semitism, & yell the poor, misguided parents are really wonderful, ehrliche, kind & generous people?

Bottom line: they are idiots. You don't leave a kid alone in a car! Period. Sorry, no sympathy here. They need some lessons in basic safety and common sense.

amen! you don't leave your child even for one second! Would they leave her gigantic diamond ring lying around for 1 second?! I doubt it!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:33 AM ML Says:

Wasn't there just an "amber alert" about a woman who stepped out of her car to pay for gas and someone stole her car with her baby inside? Please parents be careful never ever leave a child in your car even for a second!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:47 AM Rippin Pinchas Says:

Reply to #7  
Mother Says:

OK, so who is going to be the first to riot, scream anti-semitism, & yell the poor, misguided parents are really wonderful, ehrliche, kind & generous people?

Bottom line: they are idiots. You don't leave a kid alone in a car! Period. Sorry, no sympathy here. They need some lessons in basic safety and common sense.

“OK, so who is going to be the first to riot, scream anti-semitism, & yell the poor, misguided parents are really wonderful, ehrliche, kind & generous people?"

Why do you have such a chip on your shoulder? The parents acted irresponsibly. Many parents do that every day by sending their children to places where they do not do due dillegence to check if there is a child molestor lurking. Do you have a chip about that?

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:45 AM Anonymous Says:

we need more facts. how long were they in the mini mart? were police really called or they were there and noticed the child? if police were called then it must have been for an extended period of time.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:44 AM suri Says:

Reply to #27  
mechel Says:

The baby was probably sleeping so the parents didn't wanna wake the kid. Now when nature call ya gotta take the call.

mechel, if what you are saying is possible and you think this is ok, then you and the parents are selfish. pure selfish. A parent who doesn't want to wake up a sleeping baby is 99.9% doing this because they want to enjoy the peace and quiet while the baby is sleeping. Unbelievably selfish and cruel. How tragic.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:54 AM Anonymous Says:

I was driving home this week from the country with sleeping twins and a toddler. I had to go to the bathroom urgently but there was no way to coordinate getting all the sleeping kids into the gas station.I called my husband practicially crying from discomfort and stress. He reminded me there's no way in the world we can leave our most precious commodities in the world unattended for something so relatively unimportant as going to the bathroom! Who are all you idiots who value a reststop above your kids lives??v

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:52 AM Gefilte Fish Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

What if some looney jumped in the car and drove off together with the kid, what would you say then?
It's a public gas station, not a private driveway.

Or if the two year old woke up and climbed into the front and got hold of the steering wheel? Heaven only help.

Or if the child wiggled out of it's car seat and opened the window and somehow accidentally closed the window on its own neck.... that's why they call it "freak accident."

That being said, I can't believe the parents were so negligent. Parenting classes should be mandatory especially for teenage parents. Perhaps there was a restroom emergency like 'diarhea.'

I honestly think you should get yourself treated for paranoia. I couldn't have thought up there "freak accidents" myself in my wildest dreams!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:52 AM Suri Says:

Reply to #63  
Anonymous Says:

Can no one think posotive here for a minute? It can very well be that both parents ate somthing that made them both sick and they had to use the rest room at the same time (Emergency), they pull into a service station park and lock the car and then turn on the engin via remote, so the child is safe because the car is locked and out of heat danger as well because the cars AC is cooling the car as well (this is how I do it), so stop judging and start thinking posotive because this is what you would have wanted someone else to do if G-D forbid this happened to you.

#63-This is how you do it? Well then hopefully you will take a lesson from this story and STOP doing this. A car running even if locked is a dangerous place to be inside of. No emergency, sick or not sick, should prevent parents from grabbing their child and taking him/her with them. I raised two children on my own. I traveled with them all the time and never found a need to leave them or one of them in the car alone. With one on my hip and the other holding hands, we were a trio wherever I went. I'd rather pee in my pants, vomit in the car or right outside the car than leave them alone. What is wrong with you people?!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:03 AM Mother Says:

Reply to #76  
Rippin Pinchas Says:

“OK, so who is going to be the first to riot, scream anti-semitism, & yell the poor, misguided parents are really wonderful, ehrliche, kind & generous people?"

Why do you have such a chip on your shoulder? The parents acted irresponsibly. Many parents do that every day by sending their children to places where they do not do due dillegence to check if there is a child molestor lurking. Do you have a chip about that?

Yes, I do. I believe every parent should act with seichel. Unfortunately, as so many other posters have said, they don't. Would I entrust my children to rebbis who are accused of molestation or where the school has employed such monsters? Not in a million years!

As for you quoting me...are you trying to say that no one EVER screams anti-semitism every time a frum person is accused of something? Are you saying they don't start riots, burn garbage cans, & scream abuse at the authorities?

You must be living under a rock if you don't think these things are happening today!!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 08:57 AM MS Says:

The parents are irresponsible!! There are always stories unfortunately with children being kidnapped or killed for whatever reason and you always hear the parent crying and saying they only turned away for a second.......exactly, thats why you should Never turn away even for a second!!!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:16 AM we don't need more facts Says:

Reply to #77  
Anonymous Says:

we need more facts. how long were they in the mini mart? were police really called or they were there and noticed the child? if police were called then it must have been for an extended period of time.

WE don't need more facts, the COURT needs more facts, some people here think they have to understand everythingl, guess what, if the cops catch someone break the law they have to do their job, then the courts do their job, thats the way it is.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:11 AM dirty jersey Says:

i heard Jim Mcgreevy uses that gas station now u choose is it a smart idea to leave ur kid alone

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:08 AM Anonymous Says:

While I agree that this was not a smart thing to do. I think it's totally wrong to compare it to diamonds and cash etc. Those are items that lots of dishonest people would possibly snatch as it has a universal apeal its MONEY $$$$$$$$.
Also they would not get jail time and police would probably ignore it as petty theft.
Contrary to what some believe there are thankfully not that many perverts around in the population that would just happen to be right there and would risk snatching that child knowing that they would be discovered immediately. Like I said it was not a smart thing to do and I would not do it but cut these people some slack - There was basically no real danger here in THIS case.
By the way 1). Most car jackings with children in them are because the perp has no idea there is child in the car as soon as they find out they leave the car as fast as they can.
2) I believe (I may be wrong) these low lives plan these child kidnappings in isolated areas when they know the parents are not nearby or probably not watching. (or in places like 18th Ave stores where they know that they are sure to find abandoned strollers at all times in the day)

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:06 AM great Lesson Says:

After reading all the comments:
I'm convinced the police di the right thing. For all that would leave a 2 year old themselves, will think twice.
The parents learnt a cheap lesson B"H there child is doing fine

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:28 AM Chacham Mah Nishtanah Says:

You are all right! Don't send tyour children to school, they may be molested. Keep them at home, but don't go to work. Even your spouse should not work, as you may have to go to the bathroom, and some kidnapper may break in. Take turns sleeping at night, and watch for SIDS....
Don't you relize all the hogwash! Life is full of risks, and anything far-fetched you got to rely on G-d. Now how many kids got kidnapped in a car. Usualy it happens by mistake in a car-jacking. No thief wants to kidnap. There is also risk with taking kids out of the car, as they can easily wander into trafic. You people swallow all the anti-parenting lies that the Media dispenses.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

what thd heck? Since when cant someone leave a child for a minute?the cop was prob. Just jeolus that hes not married

First of all, the cops were called and responded to a call of a child in the cat alone! They cops were doing their job, the parents were not. You sound arrogent blaming the cops. You really think BOTH parents had to use the bathroom at the same EXACT time? The child should have went with them. Sorry guys......no way to blame this on the cops, the caller, or anti-semitism. Plane and simple bad parenting. PERIOD.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:41 AM WolfishMusings Says:

Reply to #85  
dirty jersey Says:

i heard Jim Mcgreevy uses that gas station now u choose is it a smart idea to leave ur kid alone

Whatever your opinion of Mr. McGreevey regarding his lifestyle and the way he treated his wife and family, I think insinuating that he is a child molester is beyond the pale. If you have proof he harmed children, present it; otherwise, I believe you owe the former governor an apology.

The Wolf

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:40 AM Anonymous Says:

The analogy of leaving $$$ or jewelry in a car vis a vis a child is flawed. Granted a child is more precious to the parent than $$$, but it has no value to a thief.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:39 AM Hardly 2 minutes Says:

I love how everyone justifies the action that "it was only 2 minutes". Think !!!
Someone has to notice the child in the car and call the police. Then the Police have to respond and arrive on scene and witness the child still in the car alone.
2 minutes? I think not!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:43 AM WolfishMusings Says:

Reply to #63  
Anonymous Says:

Can no one think posotive here for a minute? It can very well be that both parents ate somthing that made them both sick and they had to use the rest room at the same time (Emergency), they pull into a service station park and lock the car and then turn on the engin via remote, so the child is safe because the car is locked and out of heat danger as well because the cars AC is cooling the car as well (this is how I do it), so stop judging and start thinking posotive because this is what you would have wanted someone else to do if G-D forbid this happened to you.

If the scenario you present is true (car left running [with A/C] and both parents busy in the bathroom), then it would be fairly easy for someone to smash a window, enter the car and either take the kid or drive off with the entire car (with the kid inside).

If both parents needed to go, then they should have taken their child with them. Period.

The Wolf

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:54 AM nj troopers Says:

new jersey is corrupt from top to bottom

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:00 AM Anonymous Says:

The big risk isn't that someone would kidnap or car jack the toddler. It's hyperthermia/heat stroke. There is also the risk a two year old could get out of the car seat and by playing with the gears, could put the car in gear, hurt himself playing with the windows or get out of the car. A minmart/gas station is very dangerous with cars constantly pulling in and out.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:59 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

What if some looney jumped in the car and drove off together with the kid, what would you say then?
It's a public gas station, not a private driveway.

Or if the two year old woke up and climbed into the front and got hold of the steering wheel? Heaven only help.

Or if the child wiggled out of it's car seat and opened the window and somehow accidentally closed the window on its own neck.... that's why they call it "freak accident."

That being said, I can't believe the parents were so negligent. Parenting classes should be mandatory especially for teenage parents. Perhaps there was a restroom emergency like 'diarhea.'

there is absolutely nothing negligent here, but it is against the law, so they are dealing with the law.

As far as getting to the steering wheel, presumabely, the car was not running. As for the lunatic taking the car, the kid or getting his head stuck, - these are certainly to be considered a 'ruach she-aina metzuyah' for which one need not be concerned. In our crazy overprotective society, it is however against the law.

Similar to all the brouhaha about child abductions, and teaching kids not to go off with strangers, accept candy etc. etc. The kids abducted by strangers in a regular year can be counted on the fingeres of your hand, usually abductions are by people the child knows, in a custody dispute. We scare our kids way too much nowadays.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:05 AM Anonymous Says:

What the parents did was careless and a mistake. However, there is not a parent out there who has not had a momentary lapse of judgment or attention. Assuming this is the only mistake, then there should be no jail time for a first offense, perhaps just some mandatory parenting and safety classes.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:51 AM WolfishMusings Says:

Reply to #91  
Anonymous Says:

The analogy of leaving $$$ or jewelry in a car vis a vis a child is flawed. Granted a child is more precious to the parent than $$$, but it has no value to a thief.

Not to a random thief... but to a child molester or a kidnapper the kid has plenty of value.

In addition, what if a car thief decides to try to steal the car without even realizing that there is a kid in the back? That's happened as well.

The Wolf

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:14 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

what the heck is wrong with leaving the kid for two min while i run in to buy a pack of smokes or a coke , these cops are bored!

I am surprised at you.You would leave your child alone even for two minutes ? Anything could chas vesholom happen. there is no difference with leaving a child on the street or in a car.The baby could even possibly be kidnapped.C'mon we are not dealing with a normal society today.The parents just werent thinking.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:21 AM formally Says:

let think this through

1. a person sees a child alone in the sweltering heat, calls 911 the 911 call takes a few minutes . The 911 operator then calls the dispatcher who call the policeman and then the police drive down to the gas station. We are not talking a few seconds or a minute or two
2 No excuses about paying for gas etc. full service only in NJ
3 Yesterday, was sweltering a child could fry in a car withing minutes and the child themselves could reach dangerous temperatures within minutes and die
4 If needed, I will bring stats how many children die every year because a parent left their child in a car in the heat. And also will bring how long it takes a car to
reach 140-150 in the heat even with the windows opened.
5. Two people, no excuse what so ever, none
6. The police should be thanked since he might have saved a child's life. Maybe this time, or maybe there will be no next time
7. Sarcastic Most cops become cops so they can earn low pay be shot at and maybe killed not because they feel they are helping people. that is the furthest from their mind. The real reason is, that even if it happens only once where he can stick it to those f*** Jews and arrest them it is worth it
8 Being arrested does not mean you are being labeled a horrible person.
9 A police said to me once. they are not the judge, they arrest and then the judge decides if the arrest was valid and then a jury decides if you are guilty or not.
10 I could go on and on but if you do not get it by now, I am only wasting my time, your head is not stuck in sand it is stuck in cement
11. I have a dog and would not leave my dog in a car alone in this heat. And if i did, and was arrested most if not all my good friends and all dog owners (dog owners also like to stick up for each other) would say to me loud and clear,
YOU DESERVED IT, I HOPE YOU LEARNED A LESSON FOR THE DOG SAKE. (why can't many yiddin have a normal view like that I do not understand)
12 I hope the couple learned a lesson, and hope they do not get convinced, by the chorus of people who say Anti-semetism , that would be a shame for the couple and deadly for there child.
13 If I would be the bubbu or zeida I would found out the policeman address give him a hug and thank him for saving my grandchild.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:20 AM Anonymous Says:

To all the above comments i was at one time a single mother of three always traveling with my kids....i never left my kids alone if one had to use the bathroom, we all went...where are the brains...the world is nasty full of evil how could u even think in an innocent way...the children don't ask to be born...so if you cant care for them the appropriate way DONT have them. children are defenseless and precious...why don't we stop making a killul Hashem...this is why mashiach hasn't come yet....parents STOP being sooooo selfish and think about your children needs first.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:19 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
cool masmid Says:

Firstly, no name calling as has been discussed by this site, secondly I can only think what kind of mother you must be if you say no sympathy for these parents for what seems an honest mistake- because this child and any others if they have are going to suffer the most as a result of any charges brought against these good parents.

A 'mistake' is something by accident that you don't plan....they both intentially left the vehicle together. That is not a mistake. The mistake was getting caught! To the poster who said we should look for ways to help??? You need help!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:19 AM civil servant Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

So you are driving upstate and you need to use the restroom. You park at a gas station 100 feet away and come back after 2 to 3 minutes .

Actually not bringing your child into the restroom with you, is a positive for many reasons.

Policemen aside from their title can act arbritrary or even "stupid" like many civil servants.

Some of them have unfortunatally lost what little common sense they may have been born with.

Next time look for a cop and make him/her your babysitter.

After all does not their logo read "To serve and protect".

Let them serve !!!

The police would actually prefer people do that! It is illegal to leave a child alone in a vehicle for any length of time. If you ask an officer to watch your child for you, he will agree as that is the safest option, second to taking the child with you.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:16 AM Rippin Pinchas Says:

Reply to #82  
Mother Says:

Yes, I do. I believe every parent should act with seichel. Unfortunately, as so many other posters have said, they don't. Would I entrust my children to rebbis who are accused of molestation or where the school has employed such monsters? Not in a million years!

As for you quoting me...are you trying to say that no one EVER screams anti-semitism every time a frum person is accused of something? Are you saying they don't start riots, burn garbage cans, & scream abuse at the authorities?

You must be living under a rock if you don't think these things are happening today!!

You did not answer my question. Trying to insult me by misconstruing what I wrote is not particularly nice.

My point was you seem to have a chip on your shoulder by pre-empting and declaring "where are the rioters?" I did not accuse you of putting your children in danger. However, there are many parents who do on a daily basis, which is reckless. Based on your post, it seems you are responsible. Unfortunately, many parents are not, on a daily basis.

Why do you accuse me of living under a rock if I clearly stated that parents constantly put their children in danger by not doing due dilligence when it comes to molestors?

#93- agreed, take your kids with you, regardless of how unpleasant it may be

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:14 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #79  
Anonymous Says:

I was driving home this week from the country with sleeping twins and a toddler. I had to go to the bathroom urgently but there was no way to coordinate getting all the sleeping kids into the gas station.I called my husband practicially crying from discomfort and stress. He reminded me there's no way in the world we can leave our most precious commodities in the world unattended for something so relatively unimportant as going to the bathroom! Who are all you idiots who value a reststop above your kids lives??v

Finish the story. What did she do? Did it right there in th car? Come on now.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #63  
Anonymous Says:

Can no one think posotive here for a minute? It can very well be that both parents ate somthing that made them both sick and they had to use the rest room at the same time (Emergency), they pull into a service station park and lock the car and then turn on the engin via remote, so the child is safe because the car is locked and out of heat danger as well because the cars AC is cooling the car as well (this is how I do it), so stop judging and start thinking posotive because this is what you would have wanted someone else to do if G-D forbid this happened to you.

Youre Kidding right? i am a new mother b"h and i dont think i would ever leave my child in a car... bathroom emergency or not. who in their right mind leaves a child in a running car while both parents are in the bathroom. hate to tell you but all some nutjob needs is to see a running car with no one in it crack the glass jump in and steal ur running car with ur baby in it. their goes the chances of u ever seeing ur baby again.. guess that emergency bathroom run was worth it hm? lets weigh the options here
bathroom break vs. losing your child/ having them overheat in a car? seems pretty simple to me. someone once told me. you have a bag of diamonds in the car or anywhere else for taht matter....you would definitely take that bag with you wherever you go right, for fear of losing it? so lets pose this question... your children arent more precious to you then diamonds? never ever ever take your children and thier safety for granted

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:12 AM unbelievable Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

what the heck is wrong with leaving the kid for two min while i run in to buy a pack of smokes or a coke , these cops are bored!

How long does it take for a car thief to steal a car, even if it's locked? 60 seconds! And they don't check for kids before they take it. Why risk the slight chance of this happening to your kid?? And how many times have we heard stories of parents who left the kid in the car for a minute, then came back and relized they'd locked the keys in the car...........

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #75  
ML Says:

Wasn't there just an "amber alert" about a woman who stepped out of her car to pay for gas and someone stole her car with her baby inside? Please parents be careful never ever leave a child in your car even for a second!

Perfect example. Now my question; Was she arrested or even ticketed?

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:11 AM sg Says:

Reply to #91  
Anonymous Says:

The analogy of leaving $$$ or jewelry in a car vis a vis a child is flawed. Granted a child is more precious to the parent than $$$, but it has no value to a thief.

tell that to the huge white slavery ring around the world, or the pedophiles walking your neighborhood.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
AB Says:

This sounds innocent enough, they were at a gas station,not a mall, an over reaction.

While it certainly may have been done inocently, there was definetly no over reaction. A 2 year old should NEVER be left alone in a car not even for a minute. There are too many things that they can get into or too many bad people out there waiting to take advantage of a situation. The only thing is they should have been given a stern warning and not aressted, however it is possible that the police officer may have had no alternative but to arrest them. We also do not know how long the child was left alone. I'm sure that this was just an error in judgment, albeit a serious one.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:11 AM sg Says:

Reply to #63  
Anonymous Says:

Can no one think posotive here for a minute? It can very well be that both parents ate somthing that made them both sick and they had to use the rest room at the same time (Emergency), they pull into a service station park and lock the car and then turn on the engin via remote, so the child is safe because the car is locked and out of heat danger as well because the cars AC is cooling the car as well (this is how I do it), so stop judging and start thinking posotive because this is what you would have wanted someone else to do if G-D forbid this happened to you.

the reading in pirkei avos is dan l'kaf zechus, you apparently read it as dan l'kaf shtus. you should have your reading glasses changed

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:49 AM WolfishMusings Says:

This reminds me of something that happened to me in April of 2006. I took my kids on a trip to the Museum of Natural History in New York. My kids were in the bathroom (they're older and can go on their own) and I was waiting outside. While I was waiting, a frum guy came up to me, asked me to watch his four or five year old daughter, and then went into the bathroom.

Later on, I thought about it and realized that he had been absolutely irresponsible. Just because I was wearing a kippah, had a white shirt on and a few days growth (it was Chol HaMoed), that was no assurance that I wasn't a kidnapper or a child molester. How could he entrust his kid to a perfect stranger?

Fortunately for him, I turned out not to be a kidnapper or a danger to his daughter... but he had no way of knowing that!

The Wolf

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #49  
Anonymous Says:

sorry this is totally stupid what else should u do if u have to run out for a minute if it would have been in a mall or something then I understand but how big is a gas station & they have these huge glass windows & the keys were not in the car but based on this philosophy that big brother tells us exactly how to live our lives then we should have them pay ALL our bills because they are responsible for us... NOT... mind your own business no one was in any danger & the kid was alone for a few minutes in the car right next to his parents common scense is not part of life here anymore its only by the book & look how we look I do not recognize this country in the olden times people weren't afraid to leave there kids alone because the police would arrest the perverts not the hard working parents, this is called backwords thinking.

How, on earth, do you know they are 'hard working' parents? Why assume that? Because they are jewish they are 'automatically' hard workers? Thats racism right there!!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 09:47 AM mnachem Says:

es chatuey any mazkyr! j ouce left my 21/2 year son in the car and he tured on the car and pull down the road and i had nysym b"h nothing heppend i thanks the rboine shel oiylem nothing heppend

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

what would any more responsible parent do? You have a baby straped in its infant seat, you need to use the mens room for a leak in the gas station. How many of you would take your baby with you?

when i am alone, i always take my child/children out of the car. my likes "driving the car" so i would never dream of leaving him alone, even for a minute- what if he actually managed to get out of his car seat??? also, where i grew up, it takes about 30 seconds for a car to get hot when its off, and about 1 minute for it to be unbearable....would you leave your precious jewels in such a situation? even when i go shopping, if there is a store that cant accommodate my stroller i dont go in.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

At first reading I concludrd the parents were idiots. Then I reread.
This happened AT A GAS STATION! I am very careful but I have left a child in the car while I went in to prepay. It may very well be that one parent was watching from the door.

and please tell me, how can a parent watching from the door, who knows how far away from the car, stop someone who tries to steal the car?

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 11:00 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

what the heck is wrong with leaving the kid for two min while i run in to buy a pack of smokes or a coke , these cops are bored!

you have no idea what a kid in a hot car looks like after it is left 4 to 5 min. Take it from me it is one of the worst deaths you can think of. I have seen it with my owen eyss it's not pretty.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:59 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #86  
Anonymous Says:

While I agree that this was not a smart thing to do. I think it's totally wrong to compare it to diamonds and cash etc. Those are items that lots of dishonest people would possibly snatch as it has a universal apeal its MONEY $$$$$$$$.
Also they would not get jail time and police would probably ignore it as petty theft.
Contrary to what some believe there are thankfully not that many perverts around in the population that would just happen to be right there and would risk snatching that child knowing that they would be discovered immediately. Like I said it was not a smart thing to do and I would not do it but cut these people some slack - There was basically no real danger here in THIS case.
By the way 1). Most car jackings with children in them are because the perp has no idea there is child in the car as soon as they find out they leave the car as fast as they can.
2) I believe (I may be wrong) these low lives plan these child kidnappings in isolated areas when they know the parents are not nearby or probably not watching. (or in places like 18th Ave stores where they know that they are sure to find abandoned strollers at all times in the day)

our children should be MORE precious to us than ANY amount of money, and we should be EVEN MORE careful with them.
as to your "by the way" statement, 1. whether intentional or not, why risk your childs safety? who knows what someone may do if they discover a child in the car. there was a case in florida of a man who stole his ex-wifes car at night from a very poorly lit driveway and drove it into a canal. it was only later discovered that there had been a toddler sleeping in the car. the man and woman had not meant to harm their child, but that doeasnt change the facts. 2. many children are abducted in plain sight.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #108  
Anonymous Says:

Perfect example. Now my question; Was she arrested or even ticketed?

Yes! It is a perfect example! She was standing next to her car, filling up gas, when she was accosted by a stranger and THROWN to the ground. At THAT point, the carjacker zoomed away with her car.

When you try to defend something that is indefensible, you are going to have trouble.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:58 AM Are you Jewish? Says:

Reply to #111  
sg Says:

the reading in pirkei avos is dan l'kaf zechus, you apparently read it as dan l'kaf shtus. you should have your reading glasses changed

SG,

Here you go again.

The Siman of a Yid is Rachmonim.... and the opposite is a Simen of the opposite.

A Yid wants to be Melamed Zchus on them and you have to go out of your way to do say the opposite?

Remember there is a Yom Hadin, and you too will be judged the same way.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:55 AM ignoramous Says:

Reply to #88  
Chacham Mah Nishtanah Says:

You are all right! Don't send tyour children to school, they may be molested. Keep them at home, but don't go to work. Even your spouse should not work, as you may have to go to the bathroom, and some kidnapper may break in. Take turns sleeping at night, and watch for SIDS....
Don't you relize all the hogwash! Life is full of risks, and anything far-fetched you got to rely on G-d. Now how many kids got kidnapped in a car. Usualy it happens by mistake in a car-jacking. No thief wants to kidnap. There is also risk with taking kids out of the car, as they can easily wander into trafic. You people swallow all the anti-parenting lies that the Media dispenses.

The chances of a child wandering into traffic when he is in the bathroom with his parent are nil. Your child being taken by accident when someone steals your car is a preventable tragedy; sids is not. And yes, there are ways to prevent kidnappings from your home, which happen. Be responsible in all aspects of raising your children.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
AB Says:

This sounds innocent enough, they were at a gas station,not a mall, an over reaction.

Would you leave your wallet open on your car seat, I don't think so. No loving caring parent would leave a child unattended. They deserve what they got.



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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Mother Says:

OK, so who is going to be the first to riot, scream anti-semitism, & yell the poor, misguided parents are really wonderful, ehrliche, kind & generous people?

Bottom line: they are idiots. You don't leave a kid alone in a car! Period. Sorry, no sympathy here. They need some lessons in basic safety and common sense.

I believe you also leave your kids in the vehicle when you fill up. To me this is nothing but a set-up, we should hold a rally calling for an apology from the Police Department.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #112  
WolfishMusings Says:

This reminds me of something that happened to me in April of 2006. I took my kids on a trip to the Museum of Natural History in New York. My kids were in the bathroom (they're older and can go on their own) and I was waiting outside. While I was waiting, a frum guy came up to me, asked me to watch his four or five year old daughter, and then went into the bathroom.

Later on, I thought about it and realized that he had been absolutely irresponsible. Just because I was wearing a kippah, had a white shirt on and a few days growth (it was Chol HaMoed), that was no assurance that I wasn't a kidnapper or a child molester. How could he entrust his kid to a perfect stranger?

Fortunately for him, I turned out not to be a kidnapper or a danger to his daughter... but he had no way of knowing that!

The Wolf

If the yugerman ask you to watch his kids in Shomrei Shabbos Shul, I believe its at 53th ST and 13th AVE. Then you could say that it's iresponsible.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 11:57 AM sg Says:

Reply to #133  
Are you Jewish? Says:

SG,

Here you go again.

The Siman of a Yid is Rachmonim.... and the opposite is a Simen of the opposite.

A Yid wants to be Melamed Zchus on them and you have to go out of your way to do say the opposite?

Remember there is a Yom Hadin, and you too will be judged the same way.

you'll have to be more clear, I'm not sure what you are saying. are you saying that because the other person came up with a ridiculous possibility trying to resolve a case where the parents were negligible, and I refused to accept that case based on a pshat my Rov explained. Where one only has to use reasonable explanations, not unreasonable ones. And because i disagree, you are saying I am not a yid?

just want to clarify here, that when someone disagrees with your farkrumpta lomdus, they must not be Jewish. yet for Dweck and and the frum Dr at Hadassah, you have no ability to be melamed zechus, so maybe I can question your yiddeshkeit!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 01:00 PM Jewish Woman Says:

I would NEVER leave my child alone, even for a second. At gas stations, rest areas, my husband and I take turns. You cant be careful enough.

But while it it irresponsible to leave a kid alone, even for a second, this is an overreaction by the police. These people didnt go on a shopping spree, they ran into a gas station store for a second. Stupid, yes. Arrestable offense? Come on! Give them, a ticket, a citation, a warning? Yes, Yes, Yes. But arrest them?

The police in the United States are simply getting OUT OF CONTROL.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:58 PM Anonymous Says:

I'm cancelimg all ny yidishe newspapers, instead, I'm going to print up all the coments (post), because it wil probally take all Shabbos to read it.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 01:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
berel Says:

#9 when you have burglers in your home do you also say 'those anti-semitic' cops, and refrain from calling them?

It was just a minute? Calling 911 a police officer does not just pop out of the sky and an averof two to three minutes is a response time for the police. Secondly to the person who said she was at the door, if that was the case why didn't she realize the police were there. If the police had to look for her then "she was not just there". -f the story is exactly as printed then this couple needs their heads examined. Two weeks ago a lady , as posted by vosizneais, had a story of this lady filling up at the gas station and a guy came up to her pushed her, shoved her and did a carjacking with her infant in the car. Now this is with the owner standing at her own car door! Kal vchomer you don't leave just to go inside "for a minute". Any parent that leaves their children in a car unserpervised especially in the summer months deserves to be arrested. Unservised means where your not standing next to the car. Standing inside the store is not called supervision. Blame chincuh system all you want but usually its the dumb parents that make their children nutcases.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #80  
Gefilte Fish Says:

I honestly think you should get yourself treated for paranoia. I couldn't have thought up there "freak accidents" myself in my wildest dreams!

Well too bad on you, because that's what happened to my own three year old son when my husband left him unattended strapped in a car seat (for what was intended to be just for a minute while loading the car) in a private driveway. May you never know what it was like to wait for the 5 never-ending minutes for hatzala to arrive, and being told by the emergency room doctor that your child may be brain damaged for lack of oxygen and have to relearn all skills.

Freak accidents are called "freak" because you don't expect them to happen. Leaving a child unattended isn't really a freak accident. It's irresponsible and reckless.

And wasn't there a post on this website not too long ago of a car that was driven off from a gas station with a child in it -- with the license plates that signified their faith in Hashem?

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #133  
Are you Jewish? Says:

SG,

Here you go again.

The Siman of a Yid is Rachmonim.... and the opposite is a Simen of the opposite.

A Yid wants to be Melamed Zchus on them and you have to go out of your way to do say the opposite?

Remember there is a Yom Hadin, and you too will be judged the same way.

Exactly how is creating a "play on words" evidence of a lack of rachamim? Did the writer leave his kids strapped in a hot car? The only eye-witness to what occurred is the police officer, who wrote the complaint. Are you telling us that we should act like Professor Gates and start throwing around charges of "racism" and "anti-semitism" when the cop was protecting the life of the child? People like you who cannot stand when individuals express their first-amendment rights are usually dictators in their own homes.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:42 PM WHAT?? Says:

Reply to #136  
Anonymous Says:

I believe you also leave your kids in the vehicle when you fill up. To me this is nothing but a set-up, we should hold a rally calling for an apology from the Police Department.

When you're filling up, you're practically touching the car and usually on the drivers side!! How on earth can you compare this to that??

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:41 PM WolfishMusings Says:

Reply to #137  
Anonymous Says:

If the yugerman ask you to watch his kids in Shomrei Shabbos Shul, I believe its at 53th ST and 13th AVE. Then you could say that it's iresponsible.

I'm sorry, but I don't get the reference. Can you please elaborate?

The Wolf

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
AAA Says:

comon all he did was step out to buy gas and went to pay.

The law in NJ is that a gas station attendant must pump and collect payment. Someone should be with a child at all times, since all it takes is a split second for someone to kidnap a child. I used to drive around with three car-seats strapped in the back seat and I never, ever left a kid in the car alone.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 12:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #91  
Anonymous Says:

The analogy of leaving $$$ or jewelry in a car vis a vis a child is flawed. Granted a child is more precious to the parent than $$$, but it has no value to a thief.

The analogy is perfect. Kidnappers & Child molesters are analogous to thieves. Please re-think your position on this. When leaving a child in a car or anywhere unattended you are leaving them vulnerable to molesters and kidnappers, besides for the myriad of things mentioned here that can happen from just being in a locked car.....

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 02:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

what the heck is wrong with leaving the kid for two min while i run in to buy a pack of smokes or a coke , these cops are bored!

Are you all out of your minds?? Never leave a child alone.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 02:44 PM getting nervous Says:

Reply to #33  
yossi Says:

I had a friend whose kid was sleeping in the car and didn't want to wake her. So, he openned all the windows and sat on the stoop which was 5 ft from the kid. A cop drove by and asked him what he was doing. He told them. Cop said he was called down for child endagerment and gave him a citation. He got off, but there is no 2 min rule. If you are not with your kid in the same actual location, you are endagering your child. If a child I'd running 10 ft ahead of you, you are not with your child. The kid may be on the sidewalk, but he, theoretically, can be in the street. You can explain it to a judge the circumstances. However, the letter of the law makes no time limit or proximity. The cops did what the law states.
We all do something like this. I stopped the car and dumped my letters in a mail box, just yesterday. Theoretically, a car-jacker could have jumped in and stole my kids. Yes, the chances were less than imaginable, but they were there. I endangered my child because I was lazy. Our parents did it to us, and we continue the pattern. Our parents didn't know the dangers. We do. We all rode with no seatbelts and 3 or more ppl in the front seat. Whoever heard of a car seat. Time has shown us dangers unknown. Don't be a lazy idiot like me. I was wrong. I might have beaten the ticket, if I had gotten one, but I was still guilty. My children should not forgive me and if something would have happened, ch"v, or if they do it to their kids and something, ch"v, happens to their kid, I would never forgive myself. So, please, let's take care of our children.
Yes, I believe it was directed at the Jews here. Hkbr"h wanted you to realize that you wouldn't leave a stack of money for 2 min in a car so why did you leave an irreplaceable Jewish child?
May all our children be healthy ad bias goel bmh"b, amen.

Do you perhaps know where I can take parenting classes to teach us these laws like if your child walks 10 ft ahead etc. ? I agree if both parents went inside the store or used the bathroom they are wrong . Period.I allways believe in hearing both sides of the story.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 11:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

what the heck is wrong with leaving the kid for two min while i run in to buy a pack of smokes or a coke , these cops are bored!

tell that to the children that roasted to death in the past years during the summer! It is a danger to the child to be left alone in a car under the boiling hot sun, even for a few minutes!

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 11:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
careaboutyerkids Says:

Ever hear of taking turns? He goes in, she stays in the car, then when he comes back she goes in? Hmmm what could have happened? The car could have gotten very hot, the car could have been stolen,,, But what can we expect from ppl who come from a neighborhood where it is mekubal to leave a baby in a stroller outside on the street while the mother is inside the store? And No>>> you Can Not leave a child alone, not even for a minute!!!!!!!

There's no question that the couple did wrong to their child; but this applies to ANY parent who does this, not just Frum people and not just people from Boro Park and not just people from Brooklyn. Just say that the people did wrong, and stop labeling the people just because of where they come from.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 11:20 AM Bottom Line Says:

NEVER NEVER leave a child alone in a car even for one second. R"L, does no one learn a lesson. Children have died because of this "it was a mistake." They have commercials on the radio, "Remember not to leave your pet in a hot car." They probably think there's no need to warn about kids.
1. Hot car - even for 2 minutes - would you enjoy being left in a hot car, no AC no window open...as an adult
2. Possibility of not rushing back as quickly as you meant to. As per one mind-boggling poster here, "I forget that my...was in the car!"
3. Carjacking with a child in the car goes on all over.

Parents, there is no excuse. We're not the judge, but why all this defending a horrendous action?

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:46 AM Anonymous Says:

In the summer I won't even take my dog in the car if I have any stops to make because I know that a 20 pound dog can die in a hot car in 5 minutes. Even if its only 70 degrees and the windows are cracked, the car still heats up like an oven if the sun is out. Shouldn't parents be even more careful. Obviously these parents meant no harm and love their child, but the police were not over-reacting.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 03:15 PM jj Says:

what would be wrong if they left the engine on with the air conditioning blowing, and the car doors locked so no kidnapper could steal the kid?

and lets assume they were always in eyesight of the car through the service station window.

I dont see any wrong in that.

If it were a case where 2 parents left a kid in a hot car for hours and went far away from the car, then i can understand the police getting involved.

But we need to know all the details of this case before we pass judgement.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 10:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

I would love if someone did some research, of the following question. How many kids were run over by cars when the parents did take them out of the car, to how many kids were hurt when the parents did leave then in the car for a few minutes?
Let me ask you, a single driver who needs the bathroom, where should she leave her child, unsuervised in the rest are, or locked in the car?

if she has a child who can come in with her (like an infant) then she should take the child in. if there is more than one child, or if the child is too old, then she should either wait or drive to someplace where the child/children can be watched by someone she knows.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 04:08 PM Everyone wants your wallet Says:

Reply to #135  
Anonymous Says:

Would you leave your wallet open on your car seat, I don't think so. No loving caring parent would leave a child unattended. They deserve what they got.



99.99% of all thieves will go after your wallet if they see it unattended in your car, but none are interested in adopting your child.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 04:12 PM Anonymous Says:

So many comments on pure conjecture. None of you were there so you have no clue what happened. This does not stop anyone from saying the know what happened. Syug l'cochmah shtika.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 04:23 PM Everyone wants your wallet Says:

Reply to #138  
sg Says:

you'll have to be more clear, I'm not sure what you are saying. are you saying that because the other person came up with a ridiculous possibility trying to resolve a case where the parents were negligible, and I refused to accept that case based on a pshat my Rov explained. Where one only has to use reasonable explanations, not unreasonable ones. And because i disagree, you are saying I am not a yid?

just want to clarify here, that when someone disagrees with your farkrumpta lomdus, they must not be Jewish. yet for Dweck and and the frum Dr at Hadassah, you have no ability to be melamed zechus, so maybe I can question your yiddeshkeit!

SG,

As for your first point, Limud Zchus is exactly the idea of finding something good to say, a zchus on the person who seems to have done something wrong. If you have a better zchus, i.e. a zchus which makes more sense to you. go ahead and use your better idea but for a zchus. If your conclusion is not zchus but Chova then you are not working for the Yezer Tov but rather doing the job of the Soney Yisroel and Malachey Chabala (i.e. You don't want to be doing the work of the "Devil").

It's not a question if "this idea makes sense" or if you have a better idea, it's the conclusion you come to, if the person is perhaps innocent or not, which shows who you are, where your are coming form, and where you are headed too (if to Gan Eden by being Melamed Zchus, of if you are headed in the opposite direction).

As for your point #2
Every Yid comes with Chezkas Kashrus and that applies to just about everyone except once someone crosses the line of being Moser or a Mechalel Shabbos Befarhesay, where although technically he is still Jewish but for all practical purposes he has a din similar to that of a Goy, where the wine this yid touches is Yayin Nesech, as though he would be a Goy, he is Posul L'Edus and you can't give him an Aliya not be Metzaref him to a Minyan - this is the din of Moser (CW) and a Mechalel Shabbos Befarhesya (Hadasa).

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 04:39 PM Dan Lekaf Zchus Says:

Reply to #161  
Anonymous Says:

So many comments on pure conjecture. None of you were there so you have no clue what happened. This does not stop anyone from saying the know what happened. Syug l'cochmah shtika.

Even if you don't know, we should be Dan Lekaf Zchus.

Not knowing all the details and not having been there makes it even easier to be Dan Lekaf Zchus.

The problem here is that everyone is playing the Devils Advocate, (taking on the side of the devil), instead of being Dan Lekaf Zchus.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 04:33 PM Yitzchak Says:

Reply to #159  
Anonymous Says:

if she has a child who can come in with her (like an infant) then she should take the child in. if there is more than one child, or if the child is too old, then she should either wait or drive to someplace where the child/children can be watched by someone she knows.

You think life is so simple?

Your choices are not always possible.

Sometimes a single parent could be driving alone with an older child and desperately need the bathroom, can't wait, and no yiddin within 100 miles, only unknown goiyim, in an unfamiliar goy'ish town, in the middle of the night with an older child of the opposite gender.

You think you have all the answers?

You think life is always so simple?

There are tough situations where the norm doesn't apply and where someone has no choice but to make an exception to the rule.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 05:44 PM welfare rebbe Says:

If someone had time to call 911, and the police had time to get there, the couple was out of the car for more than a minute.

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 Jul 31, 2009 at 06:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #33  
yossi Says:

I had a friend whose kid was sleeping in the car and didn't want to wake her. So, he openned all the windows and sat on the stoop which was 5 ft from the kid. A cop drove by and asked him what he was doing. He told them. Cop said he was called down for child endagerment and gave him a citation. He got off, but there is no 2 min rule. If you are not with your kid in the same actual location, you are endagering your child. If a child I'd running 10 ft ahead of you, you are not with your child. The kid may be on the sidewalk, but he, theoretically, can be in the street. You can explain it to a judge the circumstances. However, the letter of the law makes no time limit or proximity. The cops did what the law states.
We all do something like this. I stopped the car and dumped my letters in a mail box, just yesterday. Theoretically, a car-jacker could have jumped in and stole my kids. Yes, the chances were less than imaginable, but they were there. I endangered my child because I was lazy. Our parents did it to us, and we continue the pattern. Our parents didn't know the dangers. We do. We all rode with no seatbelts and 3 or more ppl in the front seat. Whoever heard of a car seat. Time has shown us dangers unknown. Don't be a lazy idiot like me. I was wrong. I might have beaten the ticket, if I had gotten one, but I was still guilty. My children should not forgive me and if something would have happened, ch"v, or if they do it to their kids and something, ch"v, happens to their kid, I would never forgive myself. So, please, let's take care of our children.
Yes, I believe it was directed at the Jews here. Hkbr"h wanted you to realize that you wouldn't leave a stack of money for 2 min in a car so why did you leave an irreplaceable Jewish child?
May all our children be healthy ad bias goel bmh"b, amen.

I'd leave money in the car if it were covered up and the door is locked.
If I needed gas and had to pre pay, and I was the only only one with my child and the child was sleeping, I don't think it would be so bad to lock the car, with the windows cracked to run in and pay . I think these pre-pay gas stations should have attendants to take the money so parents don't have to get into a situation like this.

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 Aug 01, 2009 at 09:24 PM Momsense! Says:

Of course the #7 comment sums it up the best! Leaving a child (that tiny) in a car alone is ridiculous and dangerous! To quote Anita Wrenfroe commedianne and author of " Everything a Mom says in two minutes says, YOUR TOO OLD TO ACT THIS WAY, IT MUST BE YOUR FATHER'S DNA----( THE APPLE DOESN'T FALL FAR FROM THE TREE, these parents must have been raised the same or worse!!!

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 Aug 01, 2009 at 10:34 PM A Pushita Yid Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

I would love if someone did some research, of the following question. How many kids were run over by cars when the parents did take them out of the car, to how many kids were hurt when the parents did leave then in the car for a few minutes?
Let me ask you, a single driver who needs the bathroom, where should she leave her child, unsuervised in the rest are, or locked in the car?

You take the child with you. What part of this is too difficult to understand?

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 Aug 01, 2009 at 11:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
amazing Says:

its amazing how you ignorant people have an answer for everything. Your response to this story was " oh it was only for 2 minutes whats the big deal"... if this story had been about the kids who died after being left in the car, your answer would have been "lets say tehilim and do teshuvah" and not judge the parents"

teshuvah and tehillem might help by writing theyre crazy and irresponsible-nothing comes out of it!!!

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 02:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #158  
jj Says:

what would be wrong if they left the engine on with the air conditioning blowing, and the car doors locked so no kidnapper could steal the kid?

and lets assume they were always in eyesight of the car through the service station window.

I dont see any wrong in that.

If it were a case where 2 parents left a kid in a hot car for hours and went far away from the car, then i can understand the police getting involved.

But we need to know all the details of this case before we pass judgement.

NEVER ever leave a child in a car with the keys in it.
No engine running, no just the battery turned on, no keys in the ignition - PERIOD.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 07:40 AM dirty jersey Says:

Reply to #90  
WolfishMusings Says:

Whatever your opinion of Mr. McGreevey regarding his lifestyle and the way he treated his wife and family, I think insinuating that he is a child molester is beyond the pale. If you have proof he harmed children, present it; otherwise, I believe you owe the former governor an apology.

The Wolf

what apology?? it sounds like that comment bothered you. the guys a sicko. do u really think there's such a difference between what he did and molesting kids???? get your priorities straight!! i don't know anyone that would stick up for such a sicko,(unless maybe they themselves are trying to hide something)...

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 Aug 03, 2009 at 11:41 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #81  
Suri Says:

#63-This is how you do it? Well then hopefully you will take a lesson from this story and STOP doing this. A car running even if locked is a dangerous place to be inside of. No emergency, sick or not sick, should prevent parents from grabbing their child and taking him/her with them. I raised two children on my own. I traveled with them all the time and never found a need to leave them or one of them in the car alone. With one on my hip and the other holding hands, we were a trio wherever I went. I'd rather pee in my pants, vomit in the car or right outside the car than leave them alone. What is wrong with you people?!

Puke in the car i say.. whats a little throw-up compared to endangering your child..

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 Oct 02, 2009 at 01:03 PM Concerned about us all Says:

Why did both parents have to leave the vehicle. One could have went and could have stayed.

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