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Israel - Gunman Kills 3 At Tel Aviv Club

Published on: August 1, 2009 09:36 PM
By: AFP - Agence France-Presse
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Israeli paramedics evacuated a wounded man following a shooting attack at a gay community house in Tel Aviv on Saturday.Israeli paramedics evacuated a wounded man following a shooting attack at a gay community house in Tel Aviv on Saturday.

Israel - A masked man opened fire on a crowd at a gay community center in Tel Aviv late Saturday, killing three people and wounding at least 10 others, the Israeli emergency services said.

A young man and a young woman were killed on the spot and the third victim died in hospital, the authorities said, and one of those who were wounded was in serious condition.

The gunman, who was dressed in black, unloaded an automatic weapon as he fired on the group of young gay men and lesbians near the entrance of the center, witnesses said, and he then ran away.

No one had been arrested by early Sunday.

The Tel Aviv police chief, Shahar Ayalon, ordered the closing of a nearby gay bar in the city and urged such establishments to remain vigilant.

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Leaders of the gay community said they believed that the shooting was a homophobic attack.


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 Aug 01, 2009 at 08:55 PM power up Says:

I'm not saying the gunman is not a murderer, but everybody knows that gay and lesbians, especially in our holy land, especially by jews (a jew is always a jew) makes god angry, as rashi says in parshes noach, it kills the good and the bad

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 Aug 01, 2009 at 08:44 PM Barack Says:

obviously there will be 2 opposite opiniond on what to say on this story

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 Aug 01, 2009 at 09:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
power up Says:

I'm not saying the gunman is not a murderer, but everybody knows that gay and lesbians, especially in our holy land, especially by jews (a jew is always a jew) makes god angry, as rashi says in parshes noach, it kills the good and the bad

Hashem yarachem on the families of those assasinated. How do you know if those killed are themselves gay or just happened to be there at the wrong time. I cannot understand why VIN would post such a comment which openly seems to rationalize the murder of gay Isrealis yet worries about "disrepectful" adjectives or other such inappropirate language. If this kind of comment is deemed "appropriate" then we have a much bigger problem. Hashem will avenge the murder of these three young men an women and hopefully turn his wrath on those who would themselves assume the role of judge, jury and executioner.

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 Aug 01, 2009 at 09:06 PM a concerned yid Says:

BD'E. my heartfelt sympathy to he families of these confused kids

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 Aug 01, 2009 at 08:42 PM Anonymous Says:

oy hashem yeracheim tzaros in klal yisroel

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 Aug 01, 2009 at 09:22 PM Anonymous Says:

dear power up. I think everyone knows that murder, especially in our holy land, especially by Jews, makes Hashem angry. I think Rashi would have agreed with the logic that if murder is permitted for this, then might it not also be permitted for eating pork, writing on Shabbos, eating food without saying a b'racha? Where does it end? I think our law is pretty clear on the subject - Lo Tirtzach. Three Jews died today and we are all diminished. Period.

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 Aug 01, 2009 at 09:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
power up Says:

I'm not saying the gunman is not a murderer, but everybody knows that gay and lesbians, especially in our holy land, especially by jews (a jew is always a jew) makes god angry, as rashi says in parshes noach, it kills the good and the bad

You actually are saying that while its "murder" the victims brought it on themselves for being in a gay club. Using your logic, I suspect you and your family should now worry about where you go and what you say since you may be the next victim of some deranged shooter seeking vengance for this tragedy.

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 Aug 01, 2009 at 09:36 PM Joseph Says:

Sorry to break it to you, but the Torah is clear about such abominations. Enough said.

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 Aug 01, 2009 at 09:40 PM Beam me up Shlomo Says:

a jew is a jew is a jew is a jew

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 Aug 01, 2009 at 10:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Three kids died... Very sad... The only good thing I can think of is that they died on Shabbos, they must have had some Zchus...

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 Aug 01, 2009 at 10:24 PM Anonymous Says:

To all of the brainless comments with justification of Torah that will arise on VIN, I want to remind you that not long ago teens at Merkatz Harav were gunned down in the same fashion. Do not start rationalizing hate and murder of other people just because they are gay. Don't feel less pity because these are just gay teens.
I hope that they catch the murderer and he should be charged with terrorism and hate crime.
And the media report is inaccurate, this was not a gay club but a community center for teenagers who are struggling with identity. They were there for emotional support because their parents and the rest of the world do not understand what they go through in life and cast them as some evil minded creatures.

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 Aug 01, 2009 at 11:57 PM Babishka Says:

We do not know who the killer is. He may not even be Jewish, What he did was an act of terrorist murder, gunning down innocent people.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 05:20 AM Jerusalamite Says:

This is an act of terrorism and cheap justifications for murder is never going to work for you.

Please daven for the injured.

Hashem will avenge the blood of the innocent teenagers, regardless of the motive of the murderer, and regardless of the hat he wears.

Anyone that could think of saying that murder is o.k. is morally screwed up. I hope the murderer himself is not like some poster here, crazy enough to think Hashem gets 'angry' at gay people and so he could shoot away. I hope it turns out to be an Arab or other non-Jew. I hope we weren't involved in any way. I can only hope, because it does seem that people that are 'religious' don't see a problem in being selectively so.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 04:33 AM Robert Says:

Reply to #10  
Joseph Says:

Sorry to break it to you, but the Torah is clear about such abominations. Enough said.

you are correct, the torah is quite clear
i believe it is handled by bet-din of 23 judges not one vigilante.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 06:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
power up Says:

I'm not saying the gunman is not a murderer, but everybody knows that gay and lesbians, especially in our holy land, especially by jews (a jew is always a jew) makes god angry, as rashi says in parshes noach, it kills the good and the bad

Everyone knows what makes G-d angry are people who condone senseless violence and murder like this. If you can use your holy book to justify killing people based on their sexual orientation, than what's to stop someone else from using their holy book to justify killing jews?

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 06:32 AM Anonymous Says:

The murderer should be apprehended and these immorality clubs in a Jewish country should be shut.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 06:10 AM the letzer dor Says:

jury is still out.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 04:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

To all of the brainless comments with justification of Torah that will arise on VIN, I want to remind you that not long ago teens at Merkatz Harav were gunned down in the same fashion. Do not start rationalizing hate and murder of other people just because they are gay. Don't feel less pity because these are just gay teens.
I hope that they catch the murderer and he should be charged with terrorism and hate crime.
And the media report is inaccurate, this was not a gay club but a community center for teenagers who are struggling with identity. They were there for emotional support because their parents and the rest of the world do not understand what they go through in life and cast them as some evil minded creatures.

this was a gay club. read the israeli news. and maybe it's you that is going thru an identity criss.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 02:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
power up Says:

I'm not saying the gunman is not a murderer, but everybody knows that gay and lesbians, especially in our holy land, especially by jews (a jew is always a jew) makes god angry, as rashi says in parshes noach, it kills the good and the bad

Have the respect and education to write Gds name with respect.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 07:29 AM tzoorba Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

Everyone knows what makes G-d angry are people who condone senseless violence and murder like this. If you can use your holy book to justify killing people based on their sexual orientation, than what's to stop someone else from using their holy book to justify killing jews?

Apparently you don't know what makes G-d angry or don't care to find out.

No one is advocating the murder of these people. However, the Torah considers acts of homosexuality a capital crime. G-d does not sit idly by when people engage in this evil practice.

The gemora in Ketubot says that if someone is guilty of a death penalty, G-d will arrange events without human intervention that will bring about the application of the death penalty to those that deserve it.

People who engage in acts of homosexuality are playing with fire.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 07:27 AM get with it Says:

the torah also says you should be stoned if you break shabbos, dihonor your parents, forget to bring a korbon, and the list goes on and on, these people were no more worth of being killed than everyone on this website for talking during kriyah

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 01:28 AM A. Nuran Says:

Reply to #1  
power up Says:

I'm not saying the gunman is not a murderer, but everybody knows that gay and lesbians, especially in our holy land, especially by jews (a jew is always a jew) makes god angry, as rashi says in parshes noach, it kills the good and the bad

I am saying that cowardly murderers who gun down kids deserve exactly the same treatment. If they're Jews - and we don't know the facts at this point - they deserve worse because Jews are supposed to be better.

And people like you who make excuses for murderous swine deserve the contempt of all decent people. I hope that in the World to Come you are sentenced to eternal rebirth as a poor Ethiopian Jewish homosexual boy in the Jerusalem of your (current) dreams. In other words, may Hashem reward you exactly as you deserve - with pure justice untempered by mercy.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 08:50 AM tzoorba Says:

Reply to #23  
get with it Says:

the torah also says you should be stoned if you break shabbos, dihonor your parents, forget to bring a korbon, and the list goes on and on, these people were no more worth of being killed than everyone on this website for talking during kriyah

Break Shabbos with witnesses and warning, yes. Dishonor your parents, no. Forget to bring a Korbon???!!!! - NO. Talking during Kriya - issur d'rabbonon.

Time to learn more Torah so that you know what qualifies as a capital crime and what doesn't.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 09:36 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Joseph Says:

Sorry to break it to you, but the Torah is clear about such abominations. Enough said.

The torah may be clear about the status of violating the issuring concerning male and male sexual relationships however the torah is clear on many other issues as well and how we should deal with those who violate them. Until threre is a sanhedrin reestablished it is not our place to judge others. We all need to worry about ourselves. Those nebach few who lost their lives may have been engaged in violated torah commandments, but its not different then someone who is mechalel shabbos, or dishonest in business. let's say a tefilah for the lost yiddin and their families and focus on ourseleves and how to help each other rather then attack each others faults and short comings

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 09:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Please be aware that many clubs in EY are run by organized crime. Unless otherwise proven, it is proper to assume that this shooting was probably an act of revenge against some party involved with the club, possibly disguised as an anti toeva act so that the real motive would go undiscovered.

Regardless, it is one more sad proof of how far society in EY has fallen.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 09:43 AM Robert Says:

Reply to #25  
tzoorba Says:

Break Shabbos with witnesses and warning, yes. Dishonor your parents, no. Forget to bring a Korbon???!!!! - NO. Talking during Kriya - issur d'rabbonon.

Time to learn more Torah so that you know what qualifies as a capital crime and what doesn't.

all capital crimes are adjudicated with a beth din of either 23 or 71 judges.. in addition to at least 2 kosher witnesses, warning by the witnesses and defiance despite the warning.. and even then beth din would look for loopholes not to impose the deth penalty. as for dishonor ones parents perhaps the other poster was referring to a benn sorrer u'morah (if such a child even exists).

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 10:13 AM Pinchas Ben Elazar Ben Aharon Hakohen Says:

If the internet had existed at the time when Pinchas killed Zimri, I could just imagine the comments... They would look something like the comments above!

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 10:59 AM Joseph Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

The torah may be clear about the status of violating the issuring concerning male and male sexual relationships however the torah is clear on many other issues as well and how we should deal with those who violate them. Until threre is a sanhedrin reestablished it is not our place to judge others. We all need to worry about ourselves. Those nebach few who lost their lives may have been engaged in violated torah commandments, but its not different then someone who is mechalel shabbos, or dishonest in business. let's say a tefilah for the lost yiddin and their families and focus on ourseleves and how to help each other rather then attack each others faults and short comings


When something like this happens to people who violate capital crimes, it shouldn't come as such a shock. In absence of a Sanhedrin, Hashem Himself takes care of those who are guilty, as the gemorah in Kesuvos says (as mentioned by Tzoorba before). I know it's a novel concept for some, but there is a Judge and there is judgment (iss din ve'iss Dayon). Hashem punishes sinners, some sooner than later. If you engage in risky activities such as mountain climbing, sky diving, etc. and then get killed, no one scratches their heads and says, "How could this happen???" Kain hadovor hazeh.

If you say extra Tehilim everyday for those Yiddin who are lost because of your love of Jews, I'd love to get a brocha from you!

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 12:38 PM PMO Says:

Reply to #10  
Joseph Says:

Sorry to break it to you, but the Torah is clear about such abominations. Enough said.

These poor people were not brought to a beis din. They were slaughtered like animals in the street. I hope they find this piece of filth and lock him away for good.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 12:40 PM PMO Says:

Reply to #10  
Joseph Says:

Sorry to break it to you, but the Torah is clear about such abominations. Enough said.

These poor people were not brought to a beis din. They were slaughtered like animals in the street. I hope they find this piece of filth and lock him away for good.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 12:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Quoting 22"""No one is advocating the murder of these people. However, the Torah considers acts of homosexuality a capital crime. G-d does not sit idly by when people engage in this evil practice.""""

Quoting 30"""When something like this happens to people who violate capital crimes, it shouldn't come as such a shock. In absence of a Sanhedrin, Hashem Himself takes care of those who are guilty, as the gemorah in Kesuvos says (as mentioned by Tzoorba before). I know it's a novel concept for some, but there is a Judge and there is judgment (iss din ve'iss Dayon). Hashem punishes sinners, some sooner than later. If you engage in risky activities such as mountain climbing, sky diving, etc. and then get killed, no one scratches their heads and says, "How could this happen???" Kain hadovor hazeh.""""""

This is the most retarded rationalization for the death of innocent teenagers I ever seen. This is classic a example of how holier than though religious attitude works.
Do you guys need to be reminded of the numerous times when God "didn't sit idle", as one of you puts it, when it came to terrorists murdering yeshiva bachurs learning halacha all day long? I can also come up with most vile and irrational explanations as to why God would get "angry" with frum Jews learning Torah in shuls and getting gunned down. Ohh, I forgot just because some" brilliant" "Gadol" once said that earthquakes are caused by gays, it must be true.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 01:28 PM tzoorba Says:

Reply to #33  
Anonymous Says:

Quoting 22"""No one is advocating the murder of these people. However, the Torah considers acts of homosexuality a capital crime. G-d does not sit idly by when people engage in this evil practice.""""

Quoting 30"""When something like this happens to people who violate capital crimes, it shouldn't come as such a shock. In absence of a Sanhedrin, Hashem Himself takes care of those who are guilty, as the gemorah in Kesuvos says (as mentioned by Tzoorba before). I know it's a novel concept for some, but there is a Judge and there is judgment (iss din ve'iss Dayon). Hashem punishes sinners, some sooner than later. If you engage in risky activities such as mountain climbing, sky diving, etc. and then get killed, no one scratches their heads and says, "How could this happen???" Kain hadovor hazeh.""""""

This is the most retarded rationalization for the death of innocent teenagers I ever seen. This is classic a example of how holier than though religious attitude works.
Do you guys need to be reminded of the numerous times when God "didn't sit idle", as one of you puts it, when it came to terrorists murdering yeshiva bachurs learning halacha all day long? I can also come up with most vile and irrational explanations as to why God would get "angry" with frum Jews learning Torah in shuls and getting gunned down. Ohh, I forgot just because some" brilliant" "Gadol" once said that earthquakes are caused by gays, it must be true.

You obviously have no Torah education or grounding in Judaism and just use your ultra Liberal world view that grew from your intestines to judge all morality by.

There is a G-d and there are rules and there is reward and punishment and people are not free to do whatever they want without consequence.

If you don't believe this, that is your problem. You are free to believe whatever wrong headed philosophy you want but don't lay it on us.

The murderer 100 to 1 was not Orthodox. What is your explanation for this slaughter by most likely some sort of terrorist or criminal maniac?

For those who care, the fact that earthquakes are caused by homosexual activity is brought down in the Medrash and not by some recent rabbis. It is interesting to note that the major earthquake that disrupted a world series took place in San Francisco, a well known center of homosexual activity.

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 Aug 02, 2009 at 04:58 PM Pentakika Says:

Question: The article did nor did the video (unless I didn't hear or read correctly) never said the murder was Jewish. Could it be a nazi living in Israel? Could it be a religious Jew? Yes/no. Dressing in black does not mean that the murderer is a religious Jew whey do people assume this?

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