“ Who cares what a reform jew has to say about how we should conduct our life. this is the same koch that bought a plot in a non jewish cemetary, and dosen't belive in hashoras hanefesh.
We will follow daas torah not daas koch. ”

“ Mayor koch you could still buy a burial plot in a jewish cemertary. You could still do teshuvah ,but untill then do not lecture me on jewish values ”

“ there's soooo much to answer this article.. ill just touch one of them, Drek didn't "rat" them out, he ENTRAPPED them. even in koch's world where halacha is ignored, entrapping ur own is disgusting & deserves to be sit shiva on. ”

“ so i guess if a reform jewish doctor diagnoses you with some seious ilness, you would just ignore him . right? ”

“ i guess the burial place he bought is the society where he belongs. ”

“ Who cares what a reform jew has to say about how we should conduct our life. this is the same koch that bought a plot in a non jewish cemetary, and dosen't belive in hashoras hanefesh.
We will follow daas torah not daas koch. ”

“ again and how many times do peole have to tell you this

the rebbies where on the radar of the FBI for years
Dwek it is on tape telling rabbi Kassan that I have money from illegal activities and from selling counterfeit goods that I need to kosher. He DID not say I need to cash a 25,000 check to feed my family
The rebbies boasted they have done this for years and laundered millions of dollars.
Their own word incriminate them.
No where did dwek beg them to cash the check to feed his family that is an urban myth. To feed your family you cash a 500 dollar check not 25,000.

I wish if the rabbies where really innocent I could not be happier, but I cannot and will not blind myself to the writing on the wall and the vast amount of evidence

Also I would like quote where exactly does it say in the Torah about mosser

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“ You say that Rabbi Dwek did not sit shiva.... but I heard him on an audio recording, where he says "a former member of my family" and then says "Baruch Dayan Emett" which is a typical phrase used when someone has "died". If someone can clarify this please do. ”

“ It is irrelevant what Koch's level of Jewish observance is or what his sexual orientation is; as the former 2 term mayor of the great city of New York we should all listen to what he has to say and show him some Kavod, whether we agree with him or not. ”

“ again and how many times do peole have to tell you this

the rebbies where on the radar of the FBI for years
Dwek it is on tape telling rabbi Kassan that I have money from illegal activities and from selling counterfeit goods that I need to kosher. He DID not say I need to cash a 25,000 check to feed my family
The rebbies boasted they have done this for years and laundered millions of dollars.
Their own word incriminate them.
No where did dwek beg them to cash the check to feed his family that is an urban myth. To feed your family you cash a 500 dollar check not 25,000.

I wish if the rabbies where really innocent I could not be happier, but I cannot and will not blind myself to the writing on the wall and the vast amount of evidence

Also I would like quote where exactly does it say in the Torah about mosser

”

“ What's so hard for him to understand that as wrong as those crimes are, if there's Jewish law, and Jewish rabbinical authorithies, it's our obligation to first try to stop them through Rabbinical channals, worning them etc. and not to run to the FBI where they'll be ponished through a man-made law... ”

“ He says to follow American law but he ordered that it not be followed in the case of illegal immigrants. He is afflicted with Liberal insanity. ”

“ For the most part Dwek did inform on criminals. he created crimes. He went around to politicians and offered "contributions in exchange for favors. others he offered bribes. There no report that a politician solicited a bribe that Dwek then provided. he went to gemach that are set up to aid needy people. if he said "here's $100,000 cash, deposit in the gemach." The gemach has no requirement to ask where it came from. If he says "here's $100,000 that I made in the insurance scam in LA". The gemach has now become an accessory after the fact to a crime in LA. If he says "hold this in the gemach so i don't have to pay taxes on it". The Gemach has now become an accomplice to income tax evasion, even if the guy taking the money doesn't speak English and has no idea what he said. Dwek is no tzaddik HE COMMITTED CRIMES AND ATTEMPTED TO EASE HIS CRIME BY ENTICING OTHERS TO COMMIT CRIMES, THAT IS THE LOWEST OF THE LOW. ”

“ The fact is that he went to people begging to cash checks he went to some ppl who never did this before and if they didn't wanna do it he cried he has a family etc and what u said 500 not 25000 yes the 25k he gets 500 in pocket however regarding messireh I think it says on a musser " who ever kills him the first has no blood on his hand" I am not possitive but if someone knows this mamar chazal please correct me ”

“ so i guess if a reform jewish doctor diagnoses you with some seious ilness, you would just ignore him . right? ”

“ and to #40

again I have real evidence on my side tapes of the discussion where dwek said "I need to kosher money I got this money by criminal acts
and selling counterfeit goods" the rebbies then said OK. Some said we have been doing this for years and making a lot of money .

This is all on tape in their own voice nowhere in the tapes did not say I need money to feed my family. And nowhere did he beg. Please where did you get information on a private conversation.

Where did you hear that from, from someone who heard it from but no evidence to support your theory. Is a nice dream, you have. It nice to convince yourself that they did it just so he can feed his family, does not make it true.

As I stated in other post every time and I mean every time, when a frum yid got arrested, on this board some made things up, gave excuses and said it never happened. Even in the cases when a yid accused a yid, like in the molestation cases. It did not happen, the boy is just mad and the rebbie, he misunderstood
a hug. In every case it turned out that the accused was guilty.

so believe what you want, but if I close my eyes now does not mean I am not in front of a computer because I cannot see it. So with you close your eyes does not change the facts in the case. ”

“ again and how many times do peole have to tell you this

the rebbies where on the radar of the FBI for years
Dwek it is on tape telling rabbi Kassan that I have money from illegal activities and from selling counterfeit goods that I need to kosher. He DID not say I need to cash a 25,000 check to feed my family
The rebbies boasted they have done this for years and laundered millions of dollars.
Their own word incriminate them.
No where did dwek beg them to cash the check to feed his family that is an urban myth. To feed your family you cash a 500 dollar check not 25,000.

I wish if the rabbies where really innocent I could not be happier, but I cannot and will not blind myself to the writing on the wall and the vast amount of evidence

Also I would like quote where exactly does it say in the Torah about mosser

”

“ so i guess if a reform jewish doctor diagnoses you with some seious ilness, you would just ignore him . right? ”

“ and to #40

again I have real evidence on my side tapes of the discussion where dwek said "I need to kosher money I got this money by criminal acts
and selling counterfeit goods" the rebbies then said OK. Some said we have been doing this for years and making a lot of money .

This is all on tape in their own voice nowhere in the tapes did not say I need money to feed my family. And nowhere did he beg. Please where did you get information on a private conversation.

Where did you hear that from, from someone who heard it from but no evidence to support your theory. Is a nice dream, you have. It nice to convince yourself that they did it just so he can feed his family, does not make it true.

As I stated in other post every time and I mean every time, when a frum yid got arrested, on this board some made things up, gave excuses and said it never happened. Even in the cases when a yid accused a yid, like in the molestation cases. It did not happen, the boy is just mad and the rebbie, he misunderstood
a hug. In every case it turned out that the accused was guilty.

so believe what you want, but if I close my eyes now does not mean I am not in front of a computer because I cannot see it. So with you close your eyes does not change the facts in the case. ”

“ You were given all the tapes by the FBI, I see , .How do you know it's the whole clip,or there wasn't a prior coversation?You ignore what rabbi Dovid yosef said about dwek's coming to him. ”

“ and to #40

again I have real evidence on my side tapes of the discussion where dwek said "I need to kosher money I got this money by criminal acts
and selling counterfeit goods" the rebbies then said OK. Some said we have been doing this for years and making a lot of money .

This is all on tape in their own voice nowhere in the tapes did not say I need money to feed my family. And nowhere did he beg. Please where did you get information on a private conversation.

Where did you hear that from, from someone who heard it from but no evidence to support your theory. Is a nice dream, you have. It nice to convince yourself that they did it just so he can feed his family, does not make it true.

As I stated in other post every time and I mean every time, when a frum yid got arrested, on this board some made things up, gave excuses and said it never happened. Even in the cases when a yid accused a yid, like in the molestation cases. It did not happen, the boy is just mad and the rebbie, he misunderstood
a hug. In every case it turned out that the accused was guilty.

so believe what you want, but if I close my eyes now does not mean I am not in front of a computer because I cannot see it. So with you close your eyes does not change the facts in the case. ”

“ Interesting how you always find frum jews to be guilty, always!! in every case, non related one to another, the observant jew would be guilty in your eyes. can you recall in jewish history atleast one instance when jews were innocent? or your hate won't allow this action..? ”

“ 'kabel es ha'emes mi'mi she'amro' - accept the truth from whoever says it.

bottom line - kotch is right. there is no excuse in this case for breaking the law. all of the personal attacks on kotch (calling him 'liberal', etc.) do not take away from the truth of his message, just as the 'righteousness' of the rabbis does not make their crimes any better.
instead of responding with nonsensical knee-jerk defenses ('mosser!', etc.), we should all take a step back and cry in shame from the fact that even after this horrific chillul hashem, we still have not learned the lesson. we keep perpetuating it by blaming the messenger, as opposed to doing the serious cheshbon hanefesh we sorely need. ”

“ Interesting how you always find frum jews to be guilty, always!! in every case, non related one to another, the observant jew would be guilty in your eyes. can you recall in jewish history atleast one instance when jews were innocent? or your hate won't allow this action..? ”

“ Interesting how you always find frum jews to be guilty, always!! in every case, non related one to another, the observant jew would be guilty in your eyes. can you recall in jewish history atleast one instance when jews were innocent? or your hate won't allow this action..? ”

“ Let's see someone entrapping Koch and his family and then we'll see how he feels about it, its very easy to judge others. ”

“ Even though you still continue to use the phrase "entrapment" completely wrong.......Why cant you understand the if someone tried to get you to do something illegal and you chose to do it, you are guilty. It is you who has to make the decision of right and wrong when you are challanged. To claim they didnt know (when they themselves are recorded as bragging about being professional launderers) is then bragging that your leaders are not only weak, but dumb! Great legacy. ”

“ In my country if someone tries to make you do something wrong and you do it, it is called entrapment (or the equivalent term in my language), and evidence related to this kind of maneuver cannot be used in court.
Because government agents are not allowed to break the law themselves, nor to induce anyone into breaking the law.

So I am a bit lost here: What will they do with Dwek's audio a evidence? Will they just use it as a bargaining chip to intimidate the defendents into pleading guilty or what? ”

“ no, true I do not know what is going on in the skver camp maybe the county is nitpicking I do not know, or some other cases where the situation in murky like some on the zoning issues etc. Or, in a regular case involving a yid that does not make the papers. But we do not discuss everyday cases here.

But when faced with insurmountable evidence whether in the kolco case Mondrowitz, the lunch programs frauds from years age, the nursing home scandal I could go on and on what am I supposed to do. Am I supposed to suspend realty suspend my mind and live in a fantasy world that it did not happen. Am I supposed to block out of my mind the stuff I saw as a kid what the yeshivas where doing sorry I do not work that way.

Maybe you think Kolco is innocent, mondrowitz, and all the other frum yiddin who where arrested and convicted. of crimes. The starving mom from Israel.

The real shame of all these stories, is not that a few yiddin did criminal acts,

The real shame and tragic part of these stories is that many in the community will fool themselves, make up stories that have no basis in realty or logic and just think these things do not happen in our community. And then of course do nothing to stop it from happening again , since it never happened at all.
One must first be willing to admit that there is a problem and only then can one apply efforts to fix it.

But some want to live in fantasy land that all frum yiddin are angel, and if accused it is antisemitism or other ridiculous reasoning. This is why frauds was happening and rebbies where getting arrested and put in jail when I was a kid and this is why when your grandchildren go to yeshiva it will happen again, since no one whats to fix a problem that does not exist.

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