Mea She’arim, Israel – A group of youngsters putting up posters in Jerusalem condemning the deadly shooting spree in a Tel Aviv gay community center last week were attacked overnight by haredim in Mea She’arim.
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After a short chase down some alleyways of the ultra-Orthodox neighborhood, the group and an Army Radio reporter who was with them managed to get away.
The head of the group that was putting up posters all around the capital said they had aimed to raise awareness for the attack in every section of Israeli society.
“The moment it comes to murder, this ceases to be just a haredi society, but part of an entire society that needs to understand that lines have been crossed,” he told Army Radio. “Murder is something that needs to be shouted about.”
The youngsters said they hadn’t anticipated such a response in Mea She’arim.
“We never claimed that the murder was carried out by haredim, we just wanted to promote peace and say that the idea that murder crosses the line is something we all have in common,” another member of the group said. “The haredim apparently thought we were blaming them.”
“If we had known it would end like this, we wouldn’t have put up even one poster,” he added.
They really thought meah shearim would let them put up such signs,let them try the arab sections the’ll be lucky if they get out alive.
when I first glanced at the headline I thought a good story of herdiem, for a second I really thought that the killings made them think and put up posters to say killing gays is wrong.
But disappointing again.
I wish there was this type of outcry for Shalit, for terror victims, for Sderot. I guess the Gay cause outdoes these because its potentially a Yid on Yid (sic) OR is it because they are Gay and the Sittra Achra needs to promote Toevah as strong as possible. Watch it be an Arab terrorist.
Glad they were stopped from posting.
They did this for a media opportunity, with an Army Radio reporter. So it was a provocation. And yes, they probably do blame Haredim for the killings even though the evidence suggests it was an “inside” job.
This time I will agree with the haraidim, this is not a condemnation, but rather a gay promotion in disguise, I wouldn’t want my kids to see such a poster in my neighborhood.
Why would i want my children having to know about the whole gay movement they should not be hanging signs in religous neighborhoods about anything to do with gays
I thought at first the poster-hangers were being deliberately provocative, but it appears not. However, I think if the posters were just condemning the murders & appealing for info, just giving facts (place: community center in Tel Aviv, 2 young people killed & many injured) without alluding to the gay issue, what’s the harm? Did the Charedim post notices in say, Pisgat Ze’ev (not such a religious area) about the starving mom case? If they did, what is fair for the goose is fair for the gander.
A number of years ago, my family was stuck in traffic in the midst of NYC’s “gay” parade. The questions that my children asked me about the weird way the paraders were acting and dressing, were unanswerable.
If the gay community wants to stem violence in the country, let them design posters condemning violence, period. I am not really a Charedi, but I would not want posters discussing anything about “gay” issues, in my community. Violence, perpetrated against anyone, is evil. I am sure that your typical Charedi, just like your typical anyone, abhors violence.
i don’t think that adulterers should be butchered. Even if they are “Chayav Missah”, they need trials, with warnings and witnesses. You cannot just go out and kill adulterers. But, we certainly don’t need posters, parades, etc., discussing adulterer’s groups. Gays are not that different from adulterers. If they keep it in their bedrooms, then it’s all between them and the Ribbono Shel Olam. Keep it out of my grandchildren’s eyes and ears, and certainly, don’t stick your abomination into their noses!
They said that they are protesting murder, do they hang signs by all murders? Why do they feel that this case was more important? Why did they have a reporter with them? Their actions make it obious that the important item to them is not that there were vicitims murdered, but that they were gay. And they are trying to promote that. It is sad that they were murdered and terrible, but that is because they were humans and not because they were gay. That does not change the level of the tragedy.
It is apparent from their actions that they want to “raise awarness” about the gayy lifestyle, which means to promote it. They were rightfull thrown out of Meah Shearim. It seems likely that it was a member of their own community who was jilted or jealous that committed this attrocity and it would be appropriate for them to post signs where they hang out expressing the neccesity of seeking therapt when there are feelings of such anger.
this was done perposly to encite and get the reaction they got though i am opposed to the borish behavior that has been displayed this was a red flag infront of a charging bull
What exactly does the poster say?
Unfortunately there is a movement with an agenda that has been manipulating the Western media for years. Their goal is not to prevent murder. It is to gain acceptance of homosexual living as a standard way of life.
People who are overwhelmed by sexual feelings (any) need assistance.
Religious people who are overwhelmed by sexual feelings that are assur min hatorah need even MORE assistance.
The guilt that is associated with such feelings is devastating for a frum person who genuinely wants to keep the torah.
A feeling is not an action.
We do not have to condemn feelings that are not acted upon.
Admitting you have a negative feeling is a first step to getting help for the problem.
Wanting to steal does not make you a thief.
Hating your neighbor does not make you a murderer.
Intense attraction to your neighbors wife does not make you an adulterer.
Intense attraction to a charismatic person of the same gender as you does not make you a homosexual.
If a woman was murdered in a brothel, would you want the sordid details posted in your neighborhood for the kids to read???
I do not discuss or parade my private business in public.
I do not want anyone sharing the details of their physical relationships in my kitchen, or around my dining room table.
It doesn’t matter if it’s a traditional relationship or one that is ossur min hatorah.
I also don’t want anyone sharing bloody, gory details about a murder in front of young, impressionable children. I don’t want them having nightmares, and I don’t want them developing an unhealthy tolerance for brutality.
In yeshivos, we teach on different levels to different ages, as is appropriate.
Not everything in chumash, is explained in detail in the younger grades for this reason.
You have to use your brains when you are teaching Torah too!
It’s not only what you teach, it’s how – and when – you teach it.
Boruch Hashem, these days there are appropriate places to discuss almost anything.
A genuine support group for abuse victims does not promote anger.
A genuine support group for trauma victims does not promote irrational behavior.
A genuine support group for cancer victims does not promote death wishes.
A genuine support group for ba’alei teshuva does not promote eating tarfus.
A genuine support group for religious kids with overactive feelings does not promote aveiros.
you get the idea.
I agree with #5 ,6,8,9.
Just like Obama thinks that he is an expert on the Israeli Arab conflict, so do non-chareidim, including the police and their secular media understand the chareidi lifestyle.
The poster hangers were plain stupid. They didn’t do their homework and they got whupped. It’s hard to feel sorry for them.
What exactly does the poster say?
Unfortunately there is a movement with an agenda that has been manipulating the Western media for years. Their goal is not to prevent murder. It is to gain acceptance of homosexual living as a standard way of life.
People who are overwhelmed by sexual feelings (any) need assistance.
Religious people who are overwhelmed by sexual feelings that are assur min hatorah need even MORE assistance.
The guilt that is associated with such feelings is devastating for a frum person who genuinely wants to keep the torah.
A feeling is not an action.
We do not have to condemn feelings that are not acted upon.
Admitting you have a negative feeling is a first step to getting help for the problem.
Wanting to steal does not make you a thief.
Hating your neighbor does not make you a murderer.
Intense attraction to your neighbors wife does not make you an adulterer.
Intense attraction to a charismatic person of the same gender as you does not make you a homosexual.
If a woman was murdered in a brothel, would you want the sordid details posted in your neighborhood for the kids to read???
I do not discuss or parade my private business in public.
I do not want anyone sharing the details of their physical relationships in my kitchen, or around my dining room table.
It doesn’t matter if it’s a traditional relationship or one that is ossur min hatorah.
I also don’t want anyone sharing bloody, gory details about a murder in front of young, impressionable children. I don’t want them having nightmares, and I don’t want them developing an unhealthy tolerance for brutality.
In yeshivos, we teach on different levels to different ages, as is appropriate.
Not everything in chumash, is explained in detail in the younger grades for this reason.
You have to use your brains when you are teaching Torah too!
It’s not only what you teach, it’s how – and when – you teach it.
Boruch Hashem, these days there are appropriate places to discuss almost anything.
A genuine support group for abuse victims does not promote anger.
A genuine support group for trauma victims does not promote irrational behavior.
A genuine support group for cancer victims does not promote death wishes.
A genuine support group for ba’alei teshuva does not promote eating tarfus.
A genuine support group for religious kids with overactive feelings does not promote aveiros.
you get the idea.
Of course they weren’t just hanging posters there by accident. Nobody goes to MS to hang posters unless it’s with specific, premeditated intent to deliver a message.
And the message is, “We’re gonna get some mileage out of this incident, whether or not a Chareidi did the killing!”
Cynical and disgusting, not at all surprising for the gay “activist” crowd.
I’m really confused. Aren’t the streets in Israel public. Why does any one group think they can tell others what to do or say or how to dress or whether or not to drive on a public street as long as they are not breaking the law? Does this mean that it’s ok for seculars to attack and chase away people who want to hand out shabbat candles or religious literature or ask people to don tefillin on the wrong street?
# 27 your 1st line said, You are confused.
Come visit Israel and you’ll understand the concept of neighborhoods.
Bucharan, Chareidi, Secular, Gay, Dati-Leumi, Moroccan etc.
Go into any of them and hang up purposely provocative posters and see what happens.
This once happened in USA too, when people actually had strong enough opinions and cared enough about things to stand up for their opinions.
“The haredim apparently thought we were blaming them.” The Medinah and even many orthodox have been blaming the charedi. Even though it is appearing more and more likely that it was an inside job, a lovers spat rather then any charedi!
They were not trying just to raise awareness for the attack. They were trying to start trouble in order to raise awareness for their cause.
Mea Shearim is its own worst enemy.
ok I see a deal coming
we will stay out of the heridiem areas lets say on shobbos, no cars etc.
however heridiem will also comply give in to some demands, that really offend many secular Jews.
1 only and only on certain streets that is mostly ultra orthodox like in meir shuriem will they be permitted to where fur hats.
Since many secular are Peta members and it goes against their core values. Or, some religious jews who follow the Torah and believe its Zar bal hachaim and think it is an avera to create or wear a fur hat that was produced with Zar bal hachaim.
So it will be give and take. and everybody will be happy
put a fence around it. a gated community.
There’s no doubt about it that the hanging of the posters in Yerushalayim is a provocation. Is this the first murder in Israel that such signs have to be posted? Unfortunately, not. Are such signs posted in Jerusalem every time someone is murdered? Never. So why now?
If they went to hang such posters in Meah Shearim, what did they expect?