Bnei Brak - Image of Israeli Policeman Hugging Charedi Teen Says It All |
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Bnei Brak, Israel - Yankele went missing in the north the other day, [reported by VIN News] and it appears the entire country had trouble falling asleep. A young boy spending the night alone in a nature reserve without water or any other means does not make for a promising start. The last days in the area were very hot, and when temperatures rise, the snakes come out at night. This certainly did not sound like a story with a happy end.
Meanwhile, hundreds of people rushed to Moshav Megadim near my home in order to offer help. Police officers, Nature Reserve Authority inspectors, and others. I saw members of Zaka, people wearing knitted kippas, and residents of area moshavim and kibbutzim. It was clear that the fact the boy was ultra-Orthodox made no difference, even to the pork-eaters among the searchers (this is not a false accusation – I personally know many of them.) After all, religious rescue workers also don’t care about who they’re helping when they take care of them.
If only a week ago I would have asked Israelis to present a situation where a police officer and a haredi teenager appear side by side, what would have been the result? Most of us would have described a police officer dragging a rioting haredi boy to a police cruiser, against a backdrop of fire and smoke. Others would have described a police officer hit in the face with a soiled diaper hurled by a young haredi rioter.
Yet who would have believed that haredi parents would love nothing more than to see their son being led to the police station? That an entire country holding its breath overnight sighed a collective sigh of relief after seeing a photo of a haredi teenager embraced by a policeman?
There’s still hope for us
The photo posted on the front pages of newspaper says it all. A police officer hugging a religious boy and everyone is overjoyed. All of those who were already celebrating the disintegration of Israeli society would do well to enlarge this photo and hang it in their offices. Those who wish to understand the secret of the Jewish people should closely examine the photo. A framed enlargement should be ordered for the offices of Nasrallah, Ahmadinejad, and Haniyeh.
This photo is worth more than a 1,000 words. It shows there’s nothing you can do about it – the Jewish glue is still working. Each and every one of us is willing to do anything in order to save one child.
Cynics, such as myself, will ask: What’s the big deal? A child was rescued by security forces merely doing their job. After all, it happens everywhere: In Buddhist, Christian, and communist states. In addition, we’re already hearing the voices: “Oh, those haredim! They go on a trip and take along tefilin instead of water!” All of this is true. Yet why would an Indian in Punjab care about a Sikh child going miss in Mumbai? The anger and criticism are a clear sign of caring. The indifference is what concerns us, and thank God, I did not find indifferent people in the State of Israel.
So indeed, we are willing to badmouth each other in talkbacks and scream at each other on television. We are also able to refer to security forces as “Nazis” and to the haredim as “parasites.” In short, we know how to hate our brothers in our heart just like good Jews know how to do.
Yet it appears that all of us are nothing more than overzealous talkers, especially when we have nothing better to do. When we face a test, we always meet it. Had Israelis believed everything uttered about the haredim, they would not come out to search for Yankele. On the other hand, what haredi father would allow a “Nazi” to his son?
As it turns out, and as is customary around here, we say one thing but we believe something else in our Jewish heart. And how big this heart is – the photo of Yankele with the police officer shows this clearly. It shows that despite all, perhaps there’s still hope for us.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 04:05 PM jancsibacsi Says:Report as Inappropriate
wow nice story i hope yankele learned his lesson
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Aug 13, 2009 at 04:01 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Crazy article. Under the guise of saying how nice it is to see the police working with the frumme, it tries to further divide. I did not notice any Ynet article standing up for the chareidim when accusations were made that the shootings were by a chareidi even though in all the pictures you saw that it was the chareidim from Zaka who were there to prserve the kovod hameis of the victims. Not like those who were defiling thevictims by using their deaths as political fodder.
Did Ynet or any of the chiloni or MO publications make that point? Of course not.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 04:01 PM Yankele Says:Report as Inappropriate
Simply Beautiful!!!
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Aug 13, 2009 at 03:58 PM blah Says:Report as Inappropriate
I'm sorry but I found this article so hilariously ironic and hypocritical after I read this line:
"I saw members of Zaka, people wearing knitted kippas, and residents of area moshavim and kibbutzim. It was clear that the fact the boy was ultra-Orthodox made no difference, even to the pork-eaters among the searchers (this is not a false accusation – I personally know many of them.)"
Pork-eaters? Really? So, write an article promoting unity while simultaneously calling a segment of people by a degrading name, which, whether true or not, has no relevance to anything and cancels out everything you just wrote. Bravo.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 03:53 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
i admit, the picture unnerved me at first. I am used to being apprehensive at the sight of an israeli policeman. then I see the erliche yid there, and... its confusing, haha.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 04:20 PM sg Says:Report as Inappropriate
Well, it's a good thing those antisemitic, anti torah, and anti chareidi diddn't go looking for that boy or he never would have been found....
oh yeah, they're the ones who found him....hmmmmmm
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Aug 13, 2009 at 04:19 PM Bull Says:Report as Inappropriate
How naive do they think we are to buy in to this bull, that this is such and "act of kindness" by the non-charedi police to rescue the frum boy.
"The Great Photo"?
The Photo shows a worker doing what he was paid to do and the money used to pay him is from taxes paid for by everyone including the frum who pay his salary via frum-yidden-taxes.
Do "they" really think that whenever, a non-charedy policeman, does his simple job, he deserves an "Award" and deserves
"Press" for merely doing his job, he is required by law, to do, or else this policeman gets fired and looses his entire Parnasa?
Is that such a Photo-Op "show", demonstrating that the non-frum, are not really discriminatory, "anti-frum" just because one time, in a Yovel, they did their job right, the they are paid to do? ? ?
On the contrary!
The only reason it's "news" is because it's so UN-usual and so un-characteristic and so "out-of-character", for a non frum Policeman.
Think about it ! ! !
If what he did is to be expected and is "Normal", why is this such big "news" and how on earth can this article make any sense unless it's so highly unusual because it usually never happens, that a non-frum policeman, should treat a frum person, normally, as he is required to do by law?
Can you imagine if in the USA we put a picture of a Goy'sh Policeman helping a Yid as a "Big Deal" an a "Big Chidush" and write an entire article to point out the "A h a ... you see... they are not all "so bad"... would that not be ridiculous unless it happened so extremely, rarely?
How gullible do they (the non-frum press) think we are and whom are they trying to fool?
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Aug 13, 2009 at 03:47 PM mrs boro parker Says:Report as Inappropriate
Very well written - and very true!
Me Ke'amcha Yisrael!!
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Aug 13, 2009 at 03:47 PM FVNMS Says:Report as Inappropriate
A bit overblown, to be sure, but heartwarming nonetheless.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 03:45 PM PMO Says:Report as Inappropriate
A kiddush H" for sure. BH", this boy was found. What it says about the state of chareidi/secular relations, I don't know. This time, however, everyone got it right.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 03:51 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
When Isreal went to war to defend itself against the airstrikes from Gaza, the Yiddishe mamas and Bubbys all got a name of one of the soldiers and davened for them as if they were davening for their own child.
We are a great Jewish nation. Soon it will be revealed how united we are. Not only in times of trouble but in times of simcha as well. When Moshiach comes, the entire world including the media will be astounded at our level of achdus.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 03:41 PM mivakesh emes Says:Report as Inappropriate
Amen! Great article.Mi k'amcha Yisroel?
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Aug 13, 2009 at 04:48 PM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
great article but not unique.
whenever a child get lost , the communties people get together to find the child.
Nothing special, that needs to be anounced and say look at we jews did.
sorry
but great story
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Aug 13, 2009 at 04:44 PM michali Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I'm sorry but I found this article so hilariously ironic and hypocritical after I read this line:
"I saw members of Zaka, people wearing knitted kippas, and residents of area moshavim and kibbutzim. It was clear that the fact the boy was ultra-Orthodox made no difference, even to the pork-eaters among the searchers (this is not a false accusation – I personally know many of them.)"
Pork-eaters? Really? So, write an article promoting unity while simultaneously calling a segment of people by a degrading name, which, whether true or not, has no relevance to anything and cancels out everything you just wrote. Bravo. ”
I totally agree. I found the statement "...porkeaters" unnecessary and hate. It is also loshon hora.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 04:44 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
... he even seems to be a sefaradi, too! wow...
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Aug 13, 2009 at 04:39 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
There are many kind and nice police officers out here, but the police body as a whole is flawed, very anti charedi and actually abusive to charedim.
And it's mostly in Jerusalem, in other towns its not that bad.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 05:03 PM Eli Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ i admit, the picture unnerved me at first. I am used to being apprehensive at the sight of an israeli policeman. then I see the erliche yid there, and... its confusing, haha.
”
Ehrliche means honest. Perhaps this policeman is as "ehrlich" (or more-so) as the frum person. And they're both Yidden.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 04:34 PM Robert Says:Report as Inappropriate
there is a latin proverb co-opted into a legal principle here in the USA.
Resp ipso loquator.. roughly translated
the matter speaks for itself.
jewish unity and good deeds teaches us about our nothingness comapred to God and of the accomplishments we can all acheive together. both religious and not. .
together we are more than the sum of the parts
with jewish unity we will hasten the redepmtion
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Aug 13, 2009 at 05:29 PM anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
this picture speaks a thousand words for ahavas Yisroel, bravo to VIN printing the picture and the article
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Aug 13, 2009 at 05:28 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ great article but not unique.
whenever a child get lost , the communties people get together to find the child.
Nothing special, that needs to be anounced and say look at we jews did.
sorry
but great story
”
Yes, everyone comes together for a lost child, but this is in the midst of a situation where certain people are alleging that there was a grand conspiracy among hundreds of people to experiment on a child and where many of those some people call the police vile names, like "Nazi."
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Aug 13, 2009 at 05:39 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Ehrliche means honest. Perhaps this policeman is as "ehrlich" (or more-so) as the frum person. And they're both Yidden. ”
I was thinking along similar lines: nothing against the young man standing in the background, but who's to say that, compared to the police officer, he's the better person or even the better Jew of the two? If you can tell all that just from the picture you're probably really good at judging books by their covers. Could you stop at the library for me on the way home? I could use something to read. Fiction please.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 05:38 PM A Secular "Ehrlicher Yid" ? ? ? Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Ehrliche means honest. Perhaps this policeman is as "ehrlich" (or more-so) as the frum person. And they're both Yidden. ”
A True story told about the former Gerer Rebbe.
A non-frum Israeli once visited him.
In the conversation the secular Yid was trying to show off how great the Ivrit Language is and why the Gerer and other Chassidim speak in Yiddish.
The Gerer Rebbe asked the secular Yid:
How do you say an "Eherelcher Yid" in Ivrit.
The secular Jew was thinking, and thinking and thinking and could not come up with anything that would be 100% accurate, "A Single Word" nor a 2 word phrase which would be a 100% accurate translation of an "Ehrlicher Yid" in Ivrit.
The Gerer Rebbe then told him that the reason why by "you" (by Ivrit linguistics) there is no such word for it, is because ("By Eich Is Dus Nisht Du") you don't have any such thing, amongst you, to have to make a word for it, to define it.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 05:33 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Crazy article. Under the guise of saying how nice it is to see the police working with the frumme, it tries to further divide. I did not notice any Ynet article standing up for the chareidim when accusations were made that the shootings were by a chareidi even though in all the pictures you saw that it was the chareidim from Zaka who were there to prserve the kovod hameis of the victims. Not like those who were defiling thevictims by using their deaths as political fodder.
Did Ynet or any of the chiloni or MO publications make that point? Of course not. ”
I'm not saying you're wrong about what other publications did or didn't print. I'm just curious: have you actually verified that there were no such articles or are you just running off at the mouth? (My guess is the latter). By the way, your casual further division of the frum world ("any of the chiloni or MO publications ...") is repulsive. One imagines you and others who make similar comments on VIN and elsewhere will face din v'cheshbon for it one day.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 05:59 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Why is everyone so hyper-critical and trying to dissect every line of the article? It's a sweet story and a happy outcome. Why can't we leave it at that.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 05:59 PM moish Says:Report as Inappropriate
please take this story and learn at least one thing: takes lots of water on camping trips, you nver know when youll need it
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Aug 13, 2009 at 05:56 PM blah Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ A True story told about the former Gerer Rebbe.
A non-frum Israeli once visited him.
In the conversation the secular Yid was trying to show off how great the Ivrit Language is and why the Gerer and other Chassidim speak in Yiddish.
The Gerer Rebbe asked the secular Yid:
How do you say an "Eherelcher Yid" in Ivrit.
The secular Jew was thinking, and thinking and thinking and could not come up with anything that would be 100% accurate, "A Single Word" nor a 2 word phrase which would be a 100% accurate translation of an "Ehrlicher Yid" in Ivrit.
The Gerer Rebbe then told him that the reason why by "you" (by Ivrit linguistics) there is no such word for it, is because ("By Eich Is Dus Nisht Du") you don't have any such thing, amongst you, to have to make a word for it, to define it. ”
AND??? That is such a useless story. What is your point? Fact still remains that just because someone is frum it doesn't automatically make them ehrlich. I have a story for you. Once upon a time. The end.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 05:49 PM No Contradiction Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Yes, everyone comes together for a lost child, but this is in the midst of a situation where certain people are alleging that there was a grand conspiracy among hundreds of people to experiment on a child and where many of those some people call the police vile names, like "Nazi." ”
What you say, is the entire irony of the story and what makes it such a big LIE and such a big joke.
The fact that this story happened, that a policeman found the child, proves nothing at all whatsoever, not even one millionth of 1 percent, that the non-frum police are not Achzories'dik to the frum, nor does it prove even one iota to dispel the claims that Hadasa made experiments on frum children.
Mah Inyan Shmita Etzel har Sinai? ? ?
Stam Shtusim Mamash!
It's common in every corner on earth that whenever any child gets lost, every human being regardless of race or religion, all role up their sleeves and go out to search.
So this proves that there never existed any such thing as Anti_semitism on earth, or that it never happened or that it never will happen or that it never could happen?
How silly can anyone be to use such a line off reasoning when everyone knows that one thing has nothing at all to do with another.
Supose...what if... "the policeman" in the photo would have been born in Germany, does that prove the Holocaust never happened or that it could never have happened?
This is your Logic?
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Aug 13, 2009 at 06:24 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Yes, everyone comes together for a lost child, but this is in the midst of a situation where certain people are alleging that there was a grand conspiracy among hundreds of people to experiment on a child and where many of those some people call the police vile names, like "Nazi." ”
.."conspiracy among hundreds of people".. are you kidding, a grand conspiracy by a few hospital heads to cover up an ugly malpractice, and the secular court and police are just happy to assist in slapping the charedim.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 06:20 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ What you say, is the entire irony of the story and what makes it such a big LIE and such a big joke.
The fact that this story happened, that a policeman found the child, proves nothing at all whatsoever, not even one millionth of 1 percent, that the non-frum police are not Achzories'dik to the frum, nor does it prove even one iota to dispel the claims that Hadasa made experiments on frum children.
Mah Inyan Shmita Etzel har Sinai? ? ?
Stam Shtusim Mamash!
It's common in every corner on earth that whenever any child gets lost, every human being regardless of race or religion, all role up their sleeves and go out to search.
So this proves that there never existed any such thing as Anti_semitism on earth, or that it never happened or that it never will happen or that it never could happen?
How silly can anyone be to use such a line off reasoning when everyone knows that one thing has nothing at all to do with another.
Supose...what if... "the policeman" in the photo would have been born in Germany, does that prove the Holocaust never happened or that it could never have happened?
This is your Logic?
”
Not at all. I was responding to someone else who asked why this even was a story. My logic is that the story shows that people are fools when they generalize. There are people who believe and have asserted on comments on VIN that all Israeli police are evil, they all hate charedim, they all are part of a massive conspiracy, etc.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 06:20 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Ehrliche means honest. Perhaps this policeman is as "ehrlich" (or more-so) as the frum person. And they're both Yidden. ”
So according to you, a person that works on shabos, doesn't put on tefilin and eats pork and lobster, and doesn't daven and learn torah, he is considered ehrlich. But one who is observant and does what the Torah says and what Hashem asks us to do are, what?...
how twisted..
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Aug 13, 2009 at 06:16 PM Bitter Formality Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ great article but not unique.
whenever a child get lost , the communties people get together to find the child.
Nothing special, that needs to be anounced and say look at we jews did.
sorry
but great story
”
How come you always come up with ideas how to mock and bash on Jews in general and observant ones in particular? is something bothering you in life? are you a miserable individual? where does this bitterness come from?
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Aug 13, 2009 at 07:24 PM Shlomo Says:Report as Inappropriate
This is really a great news story with a happy ending displays achdus and ahavas yisroel and there should be more BE'H so why are the majority of comments on a frum news site so negative and just before Ellul?
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Aug 13, 2009 at 07:08 PM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ What you say, is the entire irony of the story and what makes it such a big LIE and such a big joke.
The fact that this story happened, that a policeman found the child, proves nothing at all whatsoever, not even one millionth of 1 percent, that the non-frum police are not Achzories'dik to the frum, nor does it prove even one iota to dispel the claims that Hadasa made experiments on frum children.
Mah Inyan Shmita Etzel har Sinai? ? ?
Stam Shtusim Mamash!
It's common in every corner on earth that whenever any child gets lost, every human being regardless of race or religion, all role up their sleeves and go out to search.
So this proves that there never existed any such thing as Anti_semitism on earth, or that it never happened or that it never will happen or that it never could happen?
How silly can anyone be to use such a line off reasoning when everyone knows that one thing has nothing at all to do with another.
Supose...what if... "the policeman" in the photo would have been born in Germany, does that prove the Holocaust never happened or that it could never have happened?
This is your Logic?
”
It's common in every corner on earth that whenever any child gets lost, every human being regardless of race or religion, all role up their sleeves and go out to search.
So this proves that there never existed any such thing as Anti_semitism on earth, or that it never happened or that it never will happen or that it never could happen?
what are you talking about. do you always make thing up and put words in their mouth?
the point is that this type of action happens all the time. it is nice but that people got together in nothing Jewish. It happens by the gentles all the time.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 07:34 PM Eli Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ A True story told about the former Gerer Rebbe.
A non-frum Israeli once visited him.
In the conversation the secular Yid was trying to show off how great the Ivrit Language is and why the Gerer and other Chassidim speak in Yiddish.
The Gerer Rebbe asked the secular Yid:
How do you say an "Eherelcher Yid" in Ivrit.
The secular Jew was thinking, and thinking and thinking and could not come up with anything that would be 100% accurate, "A Single Word" nor a 2 word phrase which would be a 100% accurate translation of an "Ehrlicher Yid" in Ivrit.
The Gerer Rebbe then told him that the reason why by "you" (by Ivrit linguistics) there is no such word for it, is because ("By Eich Is Dus Nisht Du") you don't have any such thing, amongst you, to have to make a word for it, to define it. ”
Except that the same word is used in modern German, look it up.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 07:48 PM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ How come you always come up with ideas how to mock and bash on Jews in general and observant ones in particular? is something bothering you in life? are you a miserable individual? where does this bitterness come from? ”
where did I bash,
I am just saying you cannot attribute this type of action as something special to, Jews, since it happens all the time I said it is a great story. But to say something
is because of their Jewishness you would have to show that other people do not do no such behavior
that all
but every time Jew does something good people over here make comments that such things do not happen outside out community, but they do every day of the year
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Aug 13, 2009 at 08:14 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I do not understand the hava amina
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Aug 13, 2009 at 08:05 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Yes even the "pork eaters" many of whom are non Jews to begin with will come out and help out when crisis arises. This maybe a radical concept to the frummies who are taught that non observant yidden are like goyim without morals, but in the real world, people of all stripes and colors can and do show compassion for one one another, happens every where.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 08:05 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Except that the same word is used in modern German, look it up. ”
Aderabe
German has it because of the Rov Minyan and Rov Binyan Am Yisroel who lived there for so many years.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 08:31 PM Robert Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ So according to you, a person that works on shabos, doesn't put on tefilin and eats pork and lobster, and doesn't daven and learn torah, he is considered ehrlich. But one who is observant and does what the Torah says and what Hashem asks us to do are, what?...
how twisted.. ”
i dont speak yiddish and dont know the meaning of the word ehrlich, nor am i a rabbi.
observance requires adherent to 613 commandmants not just the 6 you mentioned.. we can not judge the value of any one mitzvah over another ..
maybe these pork eaters are fullfilling other mitzvot more completely than you and I do in those other 607 commands from God.
maybe the pork eater is more honest in business than some non-pork eaters..
the recent news might support that contention in the religious boro-park type community
all mitzvot are important and we are not to judge..
at the end of the day the torah commands v'ahavta l'reacha kamocha
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Aug 13, 2009 at 08:44 PM blah Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ So according to you, a person that works on shabos, doesn't put on tefilin and eats pork and lobster, and doesn't daven and learn torah, he is considered ehrlich. But one who is observant and does what the Torah says and what Hashem asks us to do are, what?...
how twisted.. ”
You are so, so, naive. Going through the motions- because without intention and meaning, that's just what they are, motions- does not make you a good person, an honest person, or someone who is doing Hashem's will. Yes, people who daven, keep shabbos and kosher, can still be bad, corrupt, lying, thieving, etc., people. And people who don't keep the Torah can be passionate, honest, respectable, and moral. Just because people keep up a religious front, it doesn't make them automatically better than everyone else. Please face reality.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 08:24 PM Robert Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Yes, everyone comes together for a lost child, but this is in the midst of a situation where certain people are alleging that there was a grand conspiracy among hundreds of people to experiment on a child and where many of those some people call the police vile names, like "Nazi." ”
i dont think any rational person beieves there was any conspiracy grand or minor.
if misdeeds were done, let there be a fair through investigation ( as is happening) and let the results speak for themselves. the torah says v'darashta v'chkarta....
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Aug 13, 2009 at 08:21 PM Robert Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ What you say, is the entire irony of the story and what makes it such a big LIE and such a big joke.
The fact that this story happened, that a policeman found the child, proves nothing at all whatsoever, not even one millionth of 1 percent, that the non-frum police are not Achzories'dik to the frum, nor does it prove even one iota to dispel the claims that Hadasa made experiments on frum children.
Mah Inyan Shmita Etzel har Sinai? ? ?
Stam Shtusim Mamash!
It's common in every corner on earth that whenever any child gets lost, every human being regardless of race or religion, all role up their sleeves and go out to search.
So this proves that there never existed any such thing as Anti_semitism on earth, or that it never happened or that it never will happen or that it never could happen?
How silly can anyone be to use such a line off reasoning when everyone knows that one thing has nothing at all to do with another.
Supose...what if... "the policeman" in the photo would have been born in Germany, does that prove the Holocaust never happened or that it could never have happened?
This is your Logic?
”
i am sure you mean well and are passionate about your beliefs..
however this story is not ironic at all
this is simply a case of a young jewish boy lost who was found and doted upon by a jewish policeman.. i belive that is a mitzvah. ( i suspect you do too).
what he (the policeman) eats in his home is none of our business ( i leave judgements to God)
at the end of the day, he saved a jewish life.. in that merit he saved an entire world ( an entire world consists of the entire charedi world too) and in that one mitzvah maybe he took in all of the merits of all the jews in the world today including you and I (granted i dont think i have enough merits but perhaps you do)
lets dan lkoff zochus to all jews.
with unity God will reward and protect all of am yisrael.
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Aug 13, 2009 at 08:16 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I do not understand the hava amina. Of course most Yidden are normal law abiding mentchen. News riots hate is about lo shcheycha. Achdus is shechicha
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Aug 13, 2009 at 10:59 PM a Jew Says:Report as Inappropriate
#15- I believe you don't know the plain old everyday Sefardim in E'Y. They are warm and connected to their roots, even if they don't practice too much. They care about everything and just about everyone.
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Aug 14, 2009 at 12:17 AM dont like spin Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ i dont speak yiddish and dont know the meaning of the word ehrlich, nor am i a rabbi.
observance requires adherent to 613 commandmants not just the 6 you mentioned.. we can not judge the value of any one mitzvah over another ..
maybe these pork eaters are fullfilling other mitzvot more completely than you and I do in those other 607 commands from God.
maybe the pork eater is more honest in business than some non-pork eaters..
the recent news might support that contention in the religious boro-park type community
all mitzvot are important and we are not to judge..
at the end of the day the torah commands v'ahavta l'reacha kamocha ”
With all due respect if you are not a Rabbi as you say you're not than don't give us your spin as what is considered to be OK as so long as.... Pork is pork! I don't care how erlich he is in business if he eats pig he's a sheigetz and is going to hell and with all his erlichkeit in business its worth ...... well you know what its worth. So don't keep spinning things just to make the bad look good.thank you!
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Aug 14, 2009 at 12:03 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
There are many kind and nice police officers out here, but the police body as a whole is flawed, very anti charedi and actually abusive to charedim.
And it's mostly in Jerusalem, in other towns its not that bad.
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Aug 14, 2009 at 05:21 AM Truth Hurts Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ How naive do they think we are to buy in to this bull, that this is such and "act of kindness" by the non-charedi police to rescue the frum boy.
"The Great Photo"?
The Photo shows a worker doing what he was paid to do and the money used to pay him is from taxes paid for by everyone including the frum who pay his salary via frum-yidden-taxes.
Do "they" really think that whenever, a non-charedy policeman, does his simple job, he deserves an "Award" and deserves
"Press" for merely doing his job, he is required by law, to do, or else this policeman gets fired and looses his entire Parnasa?
Is that such a Photo-Op "show", demonstrating that the non-frum, are not really discriminatory, "anti-frum" just because one time, in a Yovel, they did their job right, the they are paid to do? ? ?
On the contrary!
The only reason it's "news" is because it's so UN-usual and so un-characteristic and so "out-of-character", for a non frum Policeman.
Think about it ! ! !
If what he did is to be expected and is "Normal", why is this such big "news" and how on earth can this article make any sense unless it's so highly unusual because it usually never happens, that a non-frum policeman, should treat a frum person, normally, as he is required to do by law?
Can you imagine if in the USA we put a picture of a Goy'sh Policeman helping a Yid as a "Big Deal" an a "Big Chidush" and write an entire article to point out the "A h a ... you see... they are not all "so bad"... would that not be ridiculous unless it happened so extremely, rarely?
How gullible do they (the non-frum press) think we are and whom are they trying to fool? ”
Very well said. The truth hurts the chilonim. Of course there are some kind and compassionate people among the seculars, but those “kind” people are so rare that it needs to be displayed on the front page. It’s like finding 10 tzaddikim in Sedom. At the end of the day, this article and photo is quite embarrassing for the chilonim.
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Aug 14, 2009 at 05:06 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ It's common in every corner on earth that whenever any child gets lost, every human being regardless of race or religion, all role up their sleeves and go out to search.
So this proves that there never existed any such thing as Anti_semitism on earth, or that it never happened or that it never will happen or that it never could happen?
what are you talking about. do you always make thing up and put words in their mouth?
the point is that this type of action happens all the time. it is nice but that people got together in nothing Jewish. It happens by the gentles all the time. ”
You did not read the whole article that's clear,the author adressed your "great point"
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Aug 14, 2009 at 06:50 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ It's common in every corner on earth that whenever any child gets lost, every human being regardless of race or religion, all role up their sleeves and go out to search.
So this proves that there never existed any such thing as Anti_semitism on earth, or that it never happened or that it never will happen or that it never could happen?
what are you talking about. do you always make thing up and put words in their mouth?
the point is that this type of action happens all the time. it is nice but that people got together in nothing Jewish. It happens by the gentles all the time. ”
No it doesnt.
The goyim do not go looking for children they do not know.
Many years ago there was a frum girl lost in Connecticut in the woods. Hundreds of frum boys and men went to search for her. In the news at the same time there was a non jewish boy missing. Who arranged searh parties for him? Nobody. The difference was glaringly obvious. It was a kiddush Hashem.
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Aug 14, 2009 at 07:40 AM berel Says:Report as Inappropriate
#17 where did you take that interpetation from? so any non jew who is hones, is ehrliche yid?
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Aug 14, 2009 at 07:47 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Beautifull picture
For the record VIN readers there are many nidcheiy Yisroel R'L pork eaters who never speak a single word of Loshon Hora and truly have Avahas Yisroel.
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Aug 14, 2009 at 07:54 AM Robert Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Very well said. The truth hurts the chilonim. Of course there are some kind and compassionate people among the seculars, but those “kind” people are so rare that it needs to be displayed on the front page. It’s like finding 10 tzaddikim in Sedom. At the end of the day, this article and photo is quite embarrassing for the chilonim. ”
kind secular jewish people are more common than you realize. perhaps it is because you have limited (or next to zero ) contact with them..
( i defend the charedi too to the secualr jews who have other incorrect misconceptions about their observant fellow jews).
this article is joyful not embarrassing.. a child was saved .. i dont understand how you can see otherwise.
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Aug 14, 2009 at 07:49 AM Robert Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ With all due respect if you are not a Rabbi as you say you're not than don't give us your spin as what is considered to be OK as so long as.... Pork is pork! I don't care how erlich he is in business if he eats pig he's a sheigetz and is going to hell and with all his erlichkeit in business its worth ...... well you know what its worth. So don't keep spinning things just to make the bad look good.thank you! ”
you unfortunately totally misread what i wrote.
i never even remotely implied eating pork is ok ..
as for spin.. these comments here are all spin every one of them including yours.(mine too).
as for who goes where, that is up to the Almighty
the talmud at the end of sanhedrin states that all of Israel have a place in the world to come. ( i suspect it includes both chiloni pork eaters and charedi crooks).
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Aug 14, 2009 at 08:34 AM Shalom Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ i dont speak yiddish and dont know the meaning of the word ehrlich, nor am i a rabbi.
observance requires adherent to 613 commandmants not just the 6 you mentioned.. we can not judge the value of any one mitzvah over another ..
maybe these pork eaters are fullfilling other mitzvot more completely than you and I do in those other 607 commands from God.
maybe the pork eater is more honest in business than some non-pork eaters..
the recent news might support that contention in the religious boro-park type community
all mitzvot are important and we are not to judge..
at the end of the day the torah commands v'ahavta l'reacha kamocha ”
The difference is:
One Religious person not honest in business - fulfills 612 mitzvos of the Torah and commits 1 sin.
One Secular does an act of kindness - fulfills 1 mitvah of the Torah and commits 612 sins.
Can you still say “we can not judge the value of any one mitzvah over another”.
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Aug 14, 2009 at 08:43 AM An Erlicher Yid Says:Report as Inappropriate
#39 For a religious Jew not to be honest is a chillul Hashem although there are secular Jews who are also not honest, but it’s not a chillul Hashem because they do not know better. They don’t keep the Torah, so how should they know?
Religious Jews generally can be trusted because they have the Torah laws they follow meticulously. But how can the non-religious be trusted if they break most of the laws of the Torah? At the end of the day whom would you trust?
You cannot choose mitzvos (laws) from the Torah. If you choose mitzvos, you’re not trustworthy.
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Aug 14, 2009 at 08:40 AM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Very well said. The truth hurts the chilonim. Of course there are some kind and compassionate people among the seculars, but those “kind” people are so rare that it needs to be displayed on the front page. It’s like finding 10 tzaddikim in Sedom. At the end of the day, this article and photo is quite embarrassing for the chilonim. ”
i guess you do not read the papers or the news. This type of stuff if very common
but of course if you only read yiddish news or only news geared towards yidden you would not know that.
Or, you do know but do not want to believe it so you can delude yourself about how bad the secular or gentle are and how great the frum are
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Aug 14, 2009 at 09:07 AM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ #39 For a religious Jew not to be honest is a chillul Hashem although there are secular Jews who are also not honest, but it’s not a chillul Hashem because they do not know better. They don’t keep the Torah, so how should they know?
Religious Jews generally can be trusted because they have the Torah laws they follow meticulously. But how can the non-religious be trusted if they break most of the laws of the Torah? At the end of the day whom would you trust?
You cannot choose mitzvos (laws) from the Torah. If you choose mitzvos, you’re not trustworthy. ”
so what does this mean for all the frum people that were caught doing scams the picked and choose what mitzvos they want
how can I trust or you trust some rebbe to say something is kosher if he was involved in some scam?
Trust, has nothing to do whether, one is frum or not Erlicher or not.
the recent stories confirm that
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Aug 14, 2009 at 09:59 AM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ No it doesnt.
The goyim do not go looking for children they do not know.
Many years ago there was a frum girl lost in Connecticut in the woods. Hundreds of frum boys and men went to search for her. In the news at the same time there was a non jewish boy missing. Who arranged searh parties for him? Nobody. The difference was glaringly obvious. It was a kiddush Hashem. ”
I did a search for you
Our View: Public effort shows what community really means
OUR VIEW SEARCH FOR ROBERT MANWILL
- Idaho Statesman
Published: 08/04/09
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ELSEWHERE
* Boise Neighborhood Watch
* Boise School District
* Boise Boys and Girls Club
Twenty-three hundred people. That isn't a search party. That's a community. And it was truly a community that gathered Friday to help in the search for 8-year-old Robert Manwill.
The searchers came from all across the Valley, converging on the South Boise neighborhood where Manwill was last seen on July 24.
The searchers showed up even as the case of Manwill's disappearance grew more desperate. Volunteers were told to look for evidence of a crime, not necessarily for a missing child. And volunteers stuck with the job.
Searchers all had their own reasons for getting involved, some deeply personal and drawn from life experience. But for all of them, the emotions elicited by Manwill's disappearance - from sadness to empathy - had focused into a desire to get involved.
Ultimately, involvement is a defining trait of a community. A community is comprised of people who translate concern into action. It is a participatory place, not a passive place.
This is how we like to view our community. On Friday, that vision was reality.
Perhaps, in hindsight, it shouldn't be surprising that Friday's search vastly exceeded the Boise Police Department's hopes. The police had hoped for 1,000 or more volunteers.
More? Try a lot more.
Thank you, one and all.
Amidst the excruciatingly draining story of Manwill's disappearance, the search effort was one inspiring effort.
May it inspire more volunteerism. Here are just a few opportunities:
® The Boise School District has several volunteering options. For application information, call 854-4041, or e-mail christina.hoskin@boiseschools.org.
® The Boys & Girls Clubs of Ada County also accepts volunteer applications. Go online for an application form.
® The Boise Police Department's Neighborhood Watch program can always use help. Call Charlene Miller at 577-3851 or send an e-mail to cmiller@cityofboise.org.
"Community policing" is one of the most popular new themes in modern law enforcement - but what this really does is harken back to an old era when citizens felt more of a personal connection with law enforcement. On Friday, Boise was a little more like one neighborhood, and Robert Manwill was everybody's missing neighbor.
"Our View" is the editorial position of the Idaho Statesman. It is an unsigned opinion expressing the consensus of the Statesman's editorial board. To comment on an editorial or suggest a topic, e-mail editorial@idahostatesman.com.
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Aug 14, 2009 at 09:52 AM Shalom Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ so what does this mean for all the frum people that were caught doing scams the picked and choose what mitzvos they want
how can I trust or you trust some rebbe to say something is kosher if he was involved in some scam?
Trust, has nothing to do whether, one is frum or not Erlicher or not.
the recent stories confirm that
”
It means that generally religious Jews are honest and are trustworthy. Those few who are not, you surely would hear about them all over the news.
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Aug 14, 2009 at 09:51 AM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ No it doesnt.
The goyim do not go looking for children they do not know.
Many years ago there was a frum girl lost in Connecticut in the woods. Hundreds of frum boys and men went to search for her. In the news at the same time there was a non jewish boy missing. Who arranged searh parties for him? Nobody. The difference was glaringly obvious. It was a kiddush Hashem. ”
do a search on any search site and dazzled how many times goyim look for lost children.
sorry to bust your we are better bubble but do a search for fun
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Aug 14, 2009 at 10:29 AM Robert Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ #39 For a religious Jew not to be honest is a chillul Hashem although there are secular Jews who are also not honest, but it’s not a chillul Hashem because they do not know better. They don’t keep the Torah, so how should they know?
Religious Jews generally can be trusted because they have the Torah laws they follow meticulously. But how can the non-religious be trusted if they break most of the laws of the Torah? At the end of the day whom would you trust?
You cannot choose mitzvos (laws) from the Torah. If you choose mitzvos, you’re not trustworthy. ”
it think that you and I actually agree
i believe we each need to fully observe all 613 commandments.
is this your position too?
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Aug 14, 2009 at 10:28 AM Robert Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The difference is:
One Religious person not honest in business - fulfills 612 mitzvos of the Torah and commits 1 sin.
One Secular does an act of kindness - fulfills 1 mitvah of the Torah and commits 612 sins.
Can you still say “we can not judge the value of any one mitzvah over another”. ”
you misread me
i do not do any judging ( nor do i think you should judge)
I leave that to God
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Aug 14, 2009 at 10:34 AM Robert Says:Report as Inappropriate
to # 49
some people refuse to be confused by the facts
from your tone you seem honest and reasonable
do your own evaluation openly and completely
and then reach your own conclusions....you might be surprised at what you find.
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Aug 14, 2009 at 02:39 PM Yehuda Says:Report as Inappropriate
It's obvious to me that there are two separate issues here.
1. People's individual religious observances (or non-observances)
2. People getting together in order to help someone out whose whereabout were unknown and was possible in danger.
I think that people are capable of pulling togther when there is a crisis regardless of whether they are the same level of observance.
Those who don't want to follow the Torah are really like irresponsible children. They feel they don't "have" to follow the Torah and therefore reject it.
If people would only realize that you don't really have a choice in the matter and that to reject Torah doesn't mean it still doesn't apply is juvinile.
For example, whether someone believes in G-d or not does not have any bearing on the questions of whether G-d exists. One can "choose" to believe in G-d or not, but even choosing not to believe and not to follow doesn't change the reality that G-d still exits only that that person is not folllowing his will.
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Aug 17, 2009 at 03:27 PM NW YID Says:Report as Inappropriate
KOL YISRAEL ARAVIM ZE LA ZEH. When it comes down to it, we will all care for one another, as Hashem obliges us to in our Holy Torah!