“ As we commemorate and remember his life, must also remember those who made his life Possible.

He survived being Killed by the Nazis only because of a Zionis, Mr. Kasztner, on the infamous Kasztner's train.

Although Satmar celebrates his Yom Hatzolah, they never mention that his life was saved by the Zionists of Kasztner's train. ”

“ One who knows history, know that dr. Kastner did not do it out of love to the satmer rabbi, they did not want him on that train, but it was not kastners train, it was gods train, maybe kastner did have a zchus in being part of this but no credit is due (its a long story) ”

“ One who knows history, know that dr. Kastner did not do it out of love to the satmer rabbi, they did not want him on that train, but it was not kastners train, it was gods train, maybe kastner did have a zchus in being part of this but no credit is due (its a long story) ”

“ As we commemorate and remember his life, must also remember those who made his life Possible.

He survived being Killed by the Nazis only because of a Zionis, Mr. Kasztner, on the infamous Kasztner's train.

Although Satmar celebrates his Yom Hatzolah, they never mention that his life was saved by the Zionists of Kasztner's train. ”

“ As we commemorate and remember his life, must also remember those who made his life Possible.

He survived being Killed by the Nazis only because of a Zionis, Mr. Kasztner, on the infamous Kasztner's train.

Although Satmar celebrates his Yom Hatzolah, they never mention that his life was saved by the Zionists of Kasztner's train. ”

“ thanx for the video, a good part of the video was when the rebbe was in Montreal. You can recognize many ppl on it.

Kastner made grubb gelt off the train. he sold seats on the train for tens of thousands of dollars . I never believed the bubbe maiseh of him having a dream that the satmer rebbe must be included. He was included because of fierce shtadlunos, $$$$, and it helped kastner demand money from the orthodox community in budapest, notably Mr. Stern. ”

“ I am now a 62-year old man. When I was a bochur in Mirrer Yeshiva, Rav Avraham Kalmonowitz, Z"L, the Rosh Yeshiva then, (Rav Shraga Moshe's father) told me:
The Satmar Rov is the Godol and Tzadik HaDor. He said the Satmar Rov was the number ONE in his vast knowledge of Torah, and was the greatest yiras shomayim of the generation. He said that the Satmar Rov did not only have the "largest knowledge" of Torah inside him, but the best "Understanding" of Torah. He then added, that the world was staying in existence in the Satmar Rov's zchus. He said that the Satmar Rov was a gift from Hashem to a generation which had gone far astray, a generation which was rewriting our religion. It is over 50 years, so the words are not exact, but they are darn close.
I was then, and still am a Yeshivish person, not a Chossid. But, I had NEVER to this day heard of any godol of modern times described that way by a person of Rov Kalmanovitch's stature.
I remember this so clearly because it was the most shocking think I had ever heard a rov whom I respected say. I can still see in my mind today, the Rosh Yeshiva's face, red with emotion, telling me this.

Two years later, I met Rav Moshe, ZT"L in camp, in the country. I related to him what my Rosh Yeshiva told me. He smiled and said, "Every word of that is the truth. There is no one on this world on the level of the Satmar Rov."

Every year at this holy man's yahrtzeit, I remember those two conversations. Nothing ever impressed me more than what these two Rosh Yeshivos told me. May he be a meilitz yosher for us all. ”

“ For all those saying the kastner saved the rabbi. What's your point? ”

“ If your story weretrue, how come you are the only one who ever heard it from them.

You expect people to believe, that you are the only "Godol" today that was Zoche, that the Mirer Rosh Yeshiva and also Reb Moshe should tell * " O N L Y y o u " * of something that no one else can corroborate as being a true story????

Obviously you made this up. ”

“ For all those saying the kastner saved the rabbi. What's your point? ”

“ To finally give credit where credit is due, so that he can rest in peace knowing that he payed credit to those who saved him, who deserved credit and never got it yet.

If his followers give credit to where credit is OWED, then it will be a big Zchus for his Neshomah. ”

“ For all those saying the kastner saved the rabbi. What's your point? ”

“ To finally give credit where credit is due, so that he can rest in peace knowing that he payed credit to those who saved him, who deserved credit and never got it yet.

If his followers give credit to where credit is OWED, then it will be a big Zchus for his Neshomah. ”

“ all the agrandizing the rov is too much he was flesh and blood and not a g-d lets put things in perspective and also the hate he created in his demonizing the zionists and out of that we have all theese riots in mea shearim they became a state unto themselfs to me it looks like they are all out for a war with the state they hate everyting that it stands for thank to the rebbe nice legacy he left ”

“ it looks from the video that the rebbe ztl is looking at some sort of maps. Was that maps of the kiryas yoel properties? ”

“ in that case the rabbi did no good either-it was all a act of g-d. ”

“ thanx for the video, a good part of the video was when the rebbe was in Montreal. You can recognize many ppl on it.

Kastner made grubb gelt off the train. he sold seats on the train for tens of thousands of dollars . I never believed the bubbe maiseh of him having a dream that the satmer rebbe must be included. He was included because of fierce shtadlunos, $$$$, and it helped kastner demand money from the orthodox community in budapest, notably Mr. Stern. ”

“ reply to #5
Who cares whether what kastners motives were,the fact is that Reb Yoelish was saved by no less than a tzioni!!!
What makes it not Kastners train?At the end of the day everything is from above...no chiddush in that!!So i guess it was the will of hashem that in levushei hateva he be saved by no less....than a tzioni!!!
”

“ he was fallible,how many yidin frum perished during the Holocaust because of the satmer rebbie insistence that people stay behind and not make plans or try to go to the (bad) countries of Israel and USA.

How many could have lived if he would have said go go get out anyway you can.

Interestedly, those very rules did not apply to him.

This is fact, one cannot dispute that is has been verified even by satmer people.

Why did he do that, why did he never say, Maybe I made a mistake never apologized to the families that could have escaped.

I think (but not sure) the belzer rebbie at least said he erred I should have told them to leave.

The satmer rebbie never did. I would like someone to explain that. ”

“ thanx for the video, a good part of the video was when the rebbe was in Montreal. You can recognize many ppl on it.

Kastner made grubb gelt off the train. he sold seats on the train for tens of thousands of dollars . I never believed the bubbe maiseh of him having a dream that the satmer rebbe must be included. He was included because of fierce shtadlunos, $$$$, and it helped kastner demand money from the orthodox community in budapest, notably Mr. Stern. ”

“ may his neshama have an aliyah and may his battling nephews and their minions cease to be a chillul Hashem on klal Yisroel ”

“ There was an interview a few years ago by a zionist that was on the train and he said that evryone on the train felt that the open miracles they had was because the holy satmar rebbe was with them. ”

“ Not suprising that you should say that with such chutzpah,your well known here.A apikoros like you doesn't deserve explanations,espically your only looking for the kasha. ”

“ To finally give credit where credit is due, so that he can rest in peace knowing that he payed credit to those who saved him, who deserved credit and never got it yet.

If his followers give credit to where credit is OWED, then it will be a big Zchus for his Neshomah. ”

“ having a kasha on your rebbe does not an apikores make. what was he - G-d? ”

“ The reason the Video shows only Non-Stamar is because in according with Stamar doctrins it would be "Achas Doso" if anyone tried to film the Rebbe.

Stamar don't even permit a video recording today, even at an ordinary Chasuna of a Stamar Chossid. ”

“ As we commemorate and remember his life, must also remember those who made his life Possible.

He survived being Killed by the Nazis only because of a Zionis, Mr. Kasztner, on the infamous Kasztner's train.

Although Satmar celebrates his Yom Hatzolah, they never mention that his life was saved by the Zionists of Kasztner's train. ”

“ all the agrandizing the rov is too much he was flesh and blood and not a g-d lets put things in perspective and also the hate he created in his demonizing the zionists and out of that we have all theese riots in mea shearim they became a state unto themselfs to me it looks like they are all out for a war with the state they hate everyting that it stands for thank to the rebbe nice legacy he left ”

“ Maybe your new here,i'm talking about formally's comment's in general. ”

“ As we commemorate and remember his life, must also remember those who made his life Possible.

He survived being Killed by the Nazis only because of a Zionis, Mr. Kasztner, on the infamous Kasztner's train.

Although Satmar celebrates his Yom Hatzolah, they never mention that his life was saved by the Zionists of Kasztner's train. ”

“ The reason the Video shows only Non-Stamar is because in according with Stamar doctrins it would be "Achas Doso" if anyone tried to film the Rebbe.

Stamar don't even permit a video recording today, even at an ordinary Chasuna of a Stamar Chossid. ”

“ You are wrong the part of the video in the back yard was in Miami Beach were the Rebbe used to spend part of the winter months, and they kids you see there I happen to know one of them, the video seems was made without the Rebbe’s knowledge ”

“ he was fallible,how many yidin frum perished during the Holocaust because of the satmer rebbie insistence that people stay behind and not make plans or try to go to the (bad) countries of Israel and USA.

How many could have lived if he would have said go go get out anyway you can.

Interestedly, those very rules did not apply to him.

This is fact, one cannot dispute that is has been verified even by satmer people.

Why did he do that, why did he never say, Maybe I made a mistake never apologized to the families that could have escaped.

I think (but not sure) the belzer rebbie at least said he erred I should have told them to leave.

The satmer rebbie never did. I would like someone to explain that. ”

“ Actually I believe that he regarded that he did not foresaw the coming holocaust as personal failure, I just don’t and cannot explain how I can by this nugget of information, and because of this knowledge I respect the Rebbe even though I totally disagree with his view on the State of Israel, you need to understand that true love to another Jews is manifested in a lot of ways you don’t have to be Chasidic, or Orthodox, loving your fellow Jew comes from the understanding that whenever there are hate for Jews it will encompass every Jew regardless of their affiliation, which is the fabric the keeps us bound together, go rent the movie defiance that will help you to understand what I am talking about. ”

“ as evident from this video what ahavas yisroal he had to all colors of the jewish spectrum his personality speaks for it self.

there is a lesson is to be learned here, how much love and compassion he had towards a fellow jew.

the jewish world precieved him as a kanuei and never look at the other side of his personality, unfortunetly the rise of zionisim drew his efforts to fend off the movement which made the people look at him in light of a kanuei, if only this wasn't his timming, how much whould he achive on his efforts of ahavas yisroel and achdus of klal yisroel which was at his core is almost certain.

so lets do his wishes to love another fellow jew regardless of sector or movement and to care, and respect.


”

“ Actually I believe that he regarded that he did not foresaw the coming holocaust as personal failure, I just don’t and cannot explain how I can by this nugget of information, and because of this knowledge I respect the Rebbe even though I totally disagree with his view on the State of Israel, you need to understand that true love to another Jews is manifested in a lot of ways you don’t have to be Chasidic, or Orthodox, loving your fellow Jew comes from the understanding that whenever there are hate for Jews it will encompass every Jew regardless of their affiliation, which is the fabric the keeps us bound together, go rent the movie defiance that will help you to understand what I am talking about. ”

“ WOW!!! Obvious envy spark from your words. Sir, do u have a problem with Satmar Ruv being the Gudal hadur? Perhaps you read the Hamodia magazine or The english Mishpacha to see "who else" said these words on the Satmar Ruv. Maybe if its written in a version of official journalism you will believe it...

I haven't heard yet of a person denying the fact that Satmar Ruv was the gudal hador with Torah, ahavas Hashem and with re-building yiddishkeit after WW2. Even greater tzionim than you admitted that. So please be so kind and check out things before you post such a comment. ”

“ You are totally wrong. it is in Sharon Springs, by fact I know the person who captured this Video. And second, in the healthy years he rarely traveled to Miami, he didn’t liked to be there, because of the beach in the area. ”

“ he was fallible,how many yidin frum perished during the Holocaust because of the satmer rebbie insistence that people stay behind and not make plans or try to go to the (bad) countries of Israel and USA.

How many could have lived if he would have said go go get out anyway you can.

Interestedly, those very rules did not apply to him.

This is fact, one cannot dispute that is has been verified even by satmer people.

Why did he do that, why did he never say, Maybe I made a mistake never apologized to the families that could have escaped.

I think (but not sure) the belzer rebbie at least said he erred I should have told them to leave.

The satmer rebbie never did. I would like someone to explain that. ”

“ The heilge satmar rebbe zt'l does not need to explain himself to anyone, espically types like formally. ”

“ I think Formally is talking about kastner.. there is solid evidence, that it was the Zionists who wanted the Hungarian Jews killed, as Weitzman said, they are as dust, they will have to go with history. yimach Shemo, ”

“ I think Formally is talking about kastner.. there is solid evidence, that it was the Zionists who wanted the Hungarian Jews killed, as Weitzman said, they are as dust, they will have to go with history. yimach Shemo, ”

“ You are totally wrong it is a known fact that Kastner used the rich to subsidizes the poor on this train, not to take away from Stern if he give the money to rescue the Satmer Rebbe, however I must strongly disagree with your assertion that Kastner enriched himself on the backs of these 1600 plus Jews who were ultimately saved by Kastner, this is noting more then a blood libel, Kastner survived the war without a penny to his name, he used every penny what he could gather to help rescue Jews from the Nazis, the supreme court in Israel spoke the final chapter in this saga albeit after Kastner was murdered. ”

“ One who knows history, know that dr. Kastner did not do it out of love to the satmer rabbi, they did not want him on that train, but it was not kastners train, it was gods train, maybe kastner did have a zchus in being part of this but no credit is due (its a long story) ”

“ The heilge satmar rebbe zt'l does not need to explain himself to anyone, espically types like formally. ”

“ I think Formally is talking about kastner.. there is solid evidence, that it was the Zionists who wanted the Hungarian Jews killed, as Weitzman said, they are as dust, they will have to go with history. yimach Shemo, ”

“ Typical on you is said this Posik; "Matzdik Rosho U'marshia Tzadik, To'eivo Hashem Gam Shneim" it's exactly what you represent. ”

“ for all those Kastner arguments, read Perfidy by Ben Hecht and you will have a clearer picture, all the facts he rights are documented. ”

“ for all those Kastner arguments, read Perfidy by Ben Hecht and you will have a clearer picture, all the facts he rights are documented. ”

“ for all those Kastner arguments, read Perfidy by Ben Hecht and you will have a clearer picture, all the facts he rights are documented. ”

“ Blaming the Holocaust on the Zionists, others of his stature blaming the Holocaust on the secular Jews and reform movement. How typical of these leaders to come up with their own philosophies and prophecies when only Hashem himself knows the reason. The orthodox settlers in Judea and Samaria today will vehemently disagree with his view on Zionism. ”

“ Yes I know that book

a new book might shed some light on it. I at least will read both books i am sure you will say I read one that is enough sad

Kasztner's Train: The True Story of an Unknown Hero of the Holocaust (Hardcover)by Anna Porter

Rezso (Rudolph) Kasztner is a much-vilified figure in haredi communities, largely for two reasons – Perfidy, Ben Hecht's smear of Kasztner, and anti-Zionism.

A new book, based on six years of research, has just been published. It does what Hecht failed to do…

…tell Kasztner's entire story, in context.

When that story is told, Kasztner is a hero.

That's what Anna Porter, the author of a new book, Kasztner's Train, believes.

The book destroys many of the myths generated by Ben Hecht and Shmuel Tamir. It does so kindly, without malice, simply by presenting the facts in context.


But the truth needs to be told:

some more
After the war, Kasztner and his family went to Palestine. He was accused, sued for libel, lost the suit and was murdered before the Supreme Court in Jerusalem overturned the original judgment in a four to one decision.

Justice Shimon Agranat noted that Judge Halevi had erred about the circumstances of Kasztner’s activities in Hungary in 1944 –45, that he had based his decisions on “knowledge gained from hindsight” and that Kasztner had acted in what he believed to be the best interests of all the people, not only those he had managed to save. Kasztner’s accuser in the original trial was convicted of libel.

One of the questions I have often been asked is how Kasztner selected those to be saved. The fact is he did not make the selections. Those decisions were made in a haphazard way by two committees – and he was not a member of either. On the train there were 150 people who paid, the rest rode free. In Strasshof, the chief consideration was to send women with children and the elderly. As for his own family, one of Kasztner’s brothers was already in Palestine, and the train included 16 other members of his extended family out of 1,684 individuals.

In order to write the book, I read over 200 books, more articles, and journals in three languages. ”

“ your question is the the basic problem with satmer and others.

It is called a simple thank you and not hatred would have been a normal response.

It is funny if someone got saved who you do not like you say G-d did or g-d made him do it. If it is someone you like you say what a tzaddik.. Either G-d did it or the person did it, one cannot just choose to fit you believe system.
It like saying the German killed up and hwsham save us.

No, the germans killed and the us, Russia. Briton saved us, remember that, and a thank you would be nice.

But you do not want to give a thank you because they only saved us because G-r really did that.

A very sad way to look at the world ”

“ #83 whether the holy satmar rebbe will have to 'explain himself' is highly doubtful, to long to elaborate why but 1 little pointer i can,.someone whos whole life was 'biltu lashem levado' for kvod shomaim he has special siatte dishmaye and from moshe rabbainu is no kahe you far from convincingly stated your reason..But a little laymen like you comes on a public form(also the other guys like #8 etc) and says such negetive things about such an unparelleled spititual giant of our generation , och un vey (see gemmorah brochos 18a top) ”

“ for all those Kastner arguments, read Perfidy by Ben Hecht and you will have a clearer picture, all the facts he rights are documented. ”

“ Credit for "saving" the Rebber and Blaming for "destroynig" all effors by Rebbi Weismandel to save millions of jews in hungery with their slang "Rak Bdam yiya lunu oratz" (only wilth blood will we have a land), ”

“ ben was a screen writer and has been discredit as a historian by taking statement out of context to prove his point.

That is not the way it works

one example of a famous manipulation

“I told the British Royal Commission,” Weizmann is quoted (on pages 19-20) by Hecht as telling the Zionist Congress in 1937,

that the hopes of Europe’s six million Jews were centered on emigration. I was asked “Can you bring six million Jews to Palestine?” I replied, “No” ... The old ones will pass... they were “dust,” economic and moral dust in a cruel world...
This, Hecht writes, “was virtually a plan to abandon them in their danger.” The implication is that Weizmann, foreseeing the murder of Europe’s six million Jews, decided that they were expendable. If it were not self-evident that this was not the case, it could be easily proved by a further passage in the same speech, so selectively quoted by Hecht, in which Weizmann expounds his plan of accelerating the rate of immigration to Palestine by some 150 percent, so as to make it possible for two million Jews to come to Palestine. Obviously, what Weizmann meant when he said “the old ones will pass,” was that they would live out their lives in the places of their abode in Europe. World War II and its horrors intervened to impede this plan; but one fact stands out on the record: while Hecht and others like him talked, the men he now maligns – Weizmann, Ben-Gurion, Sharett and others – organized the immigration and rescue, by legal and clandestine means, of hundreds of thousands of victims and potential victims of the Hitler regime.

The rescue efforts were many-fold. Besides illegal immigration, they included the dropping of parachutists behind the Nazi lines, arranged by the British under the pressure from the Jewish Agency (and even Hecht mentions them when he thinks that he can utilize the heroism of one of them, Hanna Senesh, for his purpose). There were the efforts to induce the Allied Governments, including the Soviet government, to issue stern warnings to the Nazis. Among the documents published in Jerusalem during the Eichmann trial were parts of the Weizmann archives, which include correspondence concerning a meeting between Dr. Weizmann and Anthony Eden, then British Foreign Secretary. In asking for the meeting (on June 6, 1944), Weizmann clearly states that

... it is, of course, my paramount duty to try and discover the course of action which offers the best hope of saving Jewish lives.

if you want i can show more and dissect his book to show it is a fraud and not historically valid if i have time I will bring more glaring examples of his lies.

Please read both books and decide ”

“ yes I can the evidence is very clear and well known even amounts Satmer chasediem.

Instead of attacking me (again you seem to have forgotten the gemmorah, the gemarah says do not look at the questioner look at the question)
So regardless what one think of me or others the gemmorah says I have a right to ask, and you need to answer.

Again no one answers the question they just attack me, meaning you have no answer otherwise you would have stated it.

Again saying someone made a mistake is not saying he was bad.

And remember, The belzer rebbie who did the same as the satmer rebbie later in live said he would have done things diffrently.

Whenever I or others ask pointed question we get attacked but never answers.


saying like you the rebbie could not have a mistake is saying he is G-d.

and I am called an aprekories

Where does it say in the Torah that a rebbie cannot be questioned or that a rebbie cannot make a mistake. Maybe a missed that shiur in yeshiva. ”

“ for all those Kastner arguments, read Perfidy by Ben Hecht and you will have a clearer picture, all the facts he rights are documented. ”

“ On the issue of Kastner; one just has to read Eichman's (ysv'z) memoirs. There is solid evidence that Kastner was brought to Auswitz to see what was really happening and was warned to keep it to himself otherwise he and his family a close freinds will suffer the same fate. It was Kastner's job to pacify those jews who spread rumers of what he knew to be the truth. For Kastner it was pure self preservation, as it was for many jews who 'helped'. He testified that the only reason he included the Satmer rebbe and some of his entourage was because of his father and mother in law, who said that they wont go and the trip will not succed unles reb yolish was included. They needed him NOT the other way around.
It is wrong to blanketly say that Reb Yolish was against escapping or leaving europe. This is a falicy; because NO country wanted to take in any yidden. PERIOD. For those who could emigrate or escape he gave encouregment to do s, including many of my family, even if it involved zionist certificates to Israel. He was even ready to accept such certificate; as it later happned. How do you think he got into british mandate Palestine from Switzerland? which wanted him out in the worst way. ”

“ he will have to explain himself to hashem and all the yiddin he told to stay while he left. And why he never said I am sorry as some other gedolem did, and not seeing to horrors about to come. many did not see it, but after said if I had only known He did not do that

what I am saying is not so shocking the betz rebbie said he erred in not telling people to leave, I really big/holy man learns from one mistakes and admits it.

Funny if all the critic I get no answers as to why he did not say I erred I should have told people to go, thousands died. If only I had known how many more yiddin would be alive.

maybe some have forgotten what they learned in yeshiva. The gemurha says that in the Torah is says Moshe made a mistake so we can learn that everybody even Moshe can err or sin. I did not say that the gemurah did.

From that I guess I can conclude not to follow blindly since if Moshe can err we all can err and will.
”

“ please provide historical evidence to this claim so skeptics like me can read look at it and maybe come around to your point of view.

If you cannot then what you say in nonsense, lies and worse than loshan hora.

Proof please documentation something to back up you claims ”

“ The video brought back a lot of memories, one point I would like to make, the Rebee Z’L always showed respect to every Jew regardless of their affiliation as you could see in the video a lot of people who came to him for advise or just to spend some time he talked to them with a hand shake and always a smile, I just hope the current young generation will go back in time and learn from this Holy Man how to treat other Jews. ”

“ I just want to point out to you, that this video was taken in my father's house,
and my father was a clean-shaven #1 chossid of the Satmar' Rebbe.
He was president of the Satmar Kehillah in Montreal.
My father was the person bringing down the Sefer Torah from the house,
accompanied by my brothers.
My father was clean-shaven, a talmid and chaver of the Satmar Rebbe, and he
was giving in a Sefer Torah to the Satmar Shul in Montreal, during this video.
The seudah was given in my parent's dining room.
I clearly remember my father telling me, that the Satmar Rebbe said, "there is nothing wrong with Rebbeim, just with some chassidim".....well, that has not changed at all!
Ongoing problems with Chassidus are caused by misguided chassidim.
The Satmar Rebbe had REAL chassidim, who were clean-shaven (not from another affiliation).....they were true Satmar Chassidim without extra 'shtick'.

NOW....who has this video?? ”

“ The rebbe's arguments don't make sense. As you mentioned others argued that it was the Reform that casued the holocaust. This makes much more sense. ”

“ #92 you ar right in your understanding of this guy. if you see his postings on other articles you can clearly see he comes with taines one hears from heretics. ”

“ I try to seek truth,

whether it sheds good light on a frum guy of not

I do not start with the assumption frum=innocent and then try to find evidence to fit my believe.

sorry I have sen this patern numerous times

whether kolco, pinter mancrowitz, the bobov money laundering fiasco, spinke, and all the others every screamed it was not true etc, and at the end it was true/

The point of the satmer rebbie issue is only that he made a mistake and could not admit it.

You want to hold as a G-d go ahead ”

“ I did not author that post.However read To save a world(published by c.i.s.)by eleizer gewirtz and th notable historian Dr. david kranzler,you will see that the zionist's (kastner and brand)ruined the chances of saving much more jews being saved,by pushing the leader's like philip freudiger out of the way. ”

“ #99 yes, and what makes you think 'yad vashem' are so holies of holies and what they say are kemoshe mipi hagvurah?. the holy difvei yoel you criitzise and mock(from you wording)but these oiverei torah of the 'yad vashem' is by you holy. this just prooves our point that you are not a 'questioner' as you state but an 'answerer'(to see meaning of my words see other articlein VIN legabay bais halavi 'i can only answer a question, not answer an answer'. Our view of your 'haskafos' are not derived just the by way you critzise the holy tzaddik but by the comments you make on other articles. ”

“ I try to seek truth,

whether it sheds good light on a frum guy of not

I do not start with the assumption frum=innocent and then try to find evidence to fit my believe.

sorry I have sen this patern numerous times

whether kolco, pinter mancrowitz, the bobov money laundering fiasco, spinke, and all the others every screamed it was not true etc, and at the end it was true/

The point of the satmer rebbie issue is only that he made a mistake and could not admit it.

You want to hold as a G-d go ahead ”

“ I am familiar with the synagogue in Rue Saint-Urbain or better known as Saint Urbain Street, but this didn’t look to me what I remember, by the way what year was that. Was Rabbi Katz the Rabbi, I remember him from the mid sixties, thanks for the memories, about your father, that was my point that the Rebbe showed love to every Jew, even clean shaven,
Thanks for the memories

”

“ attack attack

answer the questions

not to reflect of or just to take a rebbies as someone who is infallible and cannot make a mistake ever, and does not need to explain to his flock when it looks like he did or is doing something that lloks bad.

I do not know where people get that idea that one cannot question a rebbie? Where do you justify this where in the torah and or gemorah doe it say one cannot question act of a rov. I never ever heard that before.

He could be the holiest man ever to line but he is flesh and blood and flesh and blood makes mistakes, This does not mean he is any less holy, just that he is holy and made some mistakes.
Where soem get an idea that a human being is infallible I do not know. ”

“ #109 you say '...and that autoumatically puts them closer to g-d' those are your words.non of the posters said such a thing. please dont add words that wasn't said its your own view of how you look at a rebbe and his chassidim, but after all the mishneh says 'asaei lecho rav' so what are you complaining about .but the tachles of asei lecho rav, or rebbe which serves the same purpouse, is to elevate one self in avodas hashem. a concept which a person is busy reading 200 books from apikorsim which affects the neshame (ruach hatamah) cannot grasp ”

“ I am now a 62-year old man. When I was a bochur in Mirrer Yeshiva, Rav Avraham Kalmonowitz, Z"L, the Rosh Yeshiva then, (Rav Shraga Moshe's father) told me:
The Satmar Rov is the Godol and Tzadik HaDor. He said the Satmar Rov was the number ONE in his vast knowledge of Torah, and was the greatest yiras shomayim of the generation. He said that the Satmar Rov did not only have the "largest knowledge" of Torah inside him, but the best "Understanding" of Torah. He then added, that the world was staying in existence in the Satmar Rov's zchus. He said that the Satmar Rov was a gift from Hashem to a generation which had gone far astray, a generation which was rewriting our religion. It is over 50 years, so the words are not exact, but they are darn close.
I was then, and still am a Yeshivish person, not a Chossid. But, I had NEVER to this day heard of any godol of modern times described that way by a person of Rov Kalmanovitch's stature.
I remember this so clearly because it was the most shocking think I had ever heard a rov whom I respected say. I can still see in my mind today, the Rosh Yeshiva's face, red with emotion, telling me this.

Two years later, I met Rav Moshe, ZT"L in camp, in the country. I related to him what my Rosh Yeshiva told me. He smiled and said, "Every word of that is the truth. There is no one on this world on the level of the Satmar Rov."

Every year at this holy man's yahrtzeit, I remember those two conversations. Nothing ever impressed me more than what these two Rosh Yeshivos told me. May he be a meilitz yosher for us all. ”

“ of course people attack you, since even after answering all your dumb silly questions, (that have been asked already dozens of times and have been answered, but you still keep and asking them..) you still go marching saying that all you so is to seek the truth.

where there is solid evidence that kasten and his gang worked hand on hand with the Nazi's. you answer nothing.. only read the other books.. thats NOT answering. what are you gonna do with all the evidence.

and Kastner helped kill 800,000 Jews, it was proven, only the question was if he had bad attentions or not, why didnt he or the People he worked for admit it??? why didnt say that they erred?? that should the Hungarian Jews make a Revolt there would have been more lives saved,

why didnt he say sorry, I had to Kill your Grandparents in order to save other Jews that needed to be saved. instead, he never admited it, untill the Lawyer made him admit it. and he OPEN ADMITTED THAT HE KASTNER, HAD A HAND IN THE KILLING OF THOUSAND OF JEWS. its all documented,

why dont you look at this?? cuz you only tend to look at 'evidence' against Chareidim, you have a fine patern.. its simple your a.. Lib.. ”

“ #108 you seek YOUR 'truth ' it should be in sync with YOUR outlook.... lets repeat, your postings on other articles that has nothing to do with satmar but ehrliche yidden or true torah stands you also find chizuk for the 'other' side. you say truth,not i want to c'v compare you , but they also 'have the 'truth' (oiso ish). you seek the 'truth' from YOUR sources. ”

“ of course people attack you, since even after answering all your dumb silly questions, (that have been asked already dozens of times and have been answered, but you still keep and asking them..) you still go marching saying that all you so is to seek the truth.

where there is solid evidence that kasten and his gang worked hand on hand with the Nazi's. you answer nothing.. only read the other books.. thats NOT answering. what are you gonna do with all the evidence.

and Kastner helped kill 800,000 Jews, it was proven, only the question was if he had bad attentions or not, why didnt he or the People he worked for admit it??? why didnt say that they erred?? that should the Hungarian Jews make a Revolt there would have been more lives saved,

why didnt he say sorry, I had to Kill your Grandparents in order to save other Jews that needed to be saved. instead, he never admited it, untill the Lawyer made him admit it. and he OPEN ADMITTED THAT HE KASTNER, HAD A HAND IN THE KILLING OF THOUSAND OF JEWS. its all documented,

why dont you look at this?? cuz you only tend to look at 'evidence' against Chareidim, you have a fine patern.. its simple your a.. Lib.. ”

“ #109 you say '...and that autoumatically puts them closer to g-d' those are your words.non of the posters said such a thing. please dont add words that wasn't said its your own view of how you look at a rebbe and his chassidim, but after all the mishneh says 'asaei lecho rav' so what are you complaining about .but the tachles of asei lecho rav, or rebbe which serves the same purpouse, is to elevate one self in avodas hashem. a concept which a person is busy reading 200 books from apikorsim which affects the neshame (ruach hatamah) cannot grasp ”

“
The video was taken in 1963.
Some of the outdoor clips where the Rebbe is sittling and talking were taken in the
backyard. Other clips of outdoor discussions were taken somewhere else.
My father was instrumental in building the shul/school on St. Urbain Street.
My father also built the third floor of that school.
My brothers attended that school, and my father walked to shul there on Shabbos.
The video shows the Sefer Torah being brought out from our house.....not the
Satmar shul.
Rav Katz came from South America; my father brought him and his family to Montreal, and my father got a letter of thanks from the Satmar Rebbe for this.
Rav Katz was the Rosh Yeshiva of Satmar in Montreal.

”

“ I might know your family what is you last name I see the initials but I cannot put it together ”

“ I was visiting a holocaust survivor in a home a few years ago. He introduced me to an old Hungarian man, not religious at all. He told me that Kastner was an evil opportunist who would have been happy with the demise of the Satmar Rebbe, but was manipulated into the arrangement, etc.,

He said that to glorify the memory of Kastner, was like making a hero out of Haman.

He was not a religious man at all, and certainly no chossid, but did not like to see a bad man's story re-written into making him good.

He said, "Listen to what the Chassidim have to say about Kastner. They are telling the unfortunate truth." ”

“ As we commemorate and remember his life, must also remember those who made his life Possible.

He survived being Killed by the Nazis only because of a Zionis, Mr. Kasztner, on the infamous Kasztner's train.

Although Satmar celebrates his Yom Hatzolah, they never mention that his life was saved by the Zionists of Kasztner's train. ”

“ As we commemorate and remember his life, must also remember those who made his life Possible.

He survived being Killed by the Nazis only because of a Zionis, Mr. Kasztner, on the infamous Kasztner's train.

Although Satmar celebrates his Yom Hatzolah, they never mention that his life was saved by the Zionists of Kasztner's train. ”

“ As we commemorate and remember his life, must also remember those who made his life Possible.

He survived being Killed by the Nazis only because of a Zionis, Mr. Kasztner, on the infamous Kasztner's train.

Although Satmar celebrates his Yom Hatzolah, they never mention that his life was saved by the Zionists of Kasztner's train. ”

“ As we commemorate and remember his life, must also remember those who made his life Possible.

He survived being Killed by the Nazis only because of a Zionis, Mr. Kasztner, on the infamous Kasztner's train.

Although Satmar celebrates his Yom Hatzolah, they never mention that his life was saved by the Zionists of Kasztner's train. ”

“ As we commemorate and remember his life, must also remember those who made his life Possible.

He survived being Killed by the Nazis only because of a Zionis, Mr. Kasztner, on the infamous Kasztner's train.

Although Satmar celebrates his Yom Hatzolah, they never mention that his life was saved by the Zionists of Kasztner's train. ”

“ Y'Hi Zichro Baruch. One can truly tell the gadlus of the man as one glances around at the different types of Jews who come and show their respect to this great sage. From Litvish to Chasiddish Tzioni to Meah Sheorim he loved them all ”

“ do you think Yad Vashem is lying


Here's what Yad Vashem's chairman and its librarian have to say about Kastner, after examining Kastner's papers and all evidence not present at the first trial of Kastner' :

"There was no man in the history of the Holocaust who saved more Jews, and was subjected to more injustice than Israel Kasztner," said former cabinet minister Yosef Lapid, chairman of Yad Vashem's board of directors and himself a Holocaust survivor from Hungary.

"This is an opportunity to do justice to a man who was misrepresented and was a victim on a vicious attack that led to his death," he said, calling Kasztner one of the great heroes of the Holocaust.

Kasztner's backers say his actions were similar to those of Oskar Schindler, a non-Jew whose efforts to save more than 1,000 Jews was documented in the Oscar-winning film Schindler's List.…

Robert Rozett, director of the Yad Vashem library, said that while Kasztner's public legacy has remained in question, it has long been established among historians that he acted in good faith.

"This is a man who was engaged in rescue activities," he said. "Rescue activities during the Holocaust meant being in touch with people who would not particularly like to invite over to your house to have a cup of coffee."

Kasztner himself didn't board his famous train to freedom, instead staying behind and negotiating the further release of Jews, risking his own life.

Rozett said the findings in the archives support the idea that he was dealing in rescue and not behind-the-scenes deals to sell off Hungarian Jews.

paraphrase from a friend who studies history If one knows history one will see right through Ben Hecht and his book, it is full of historical flaws and thing taken out of context. But it often quoted by heridim, because haredi ignorance of history is so profound that the inconsistencies in them are rarely noticed.
And if it point a direction to their believe system it must be right.

History cannot be changed no matter how hard you try.



”

“ I can't say anything to substantiate the Kalmonowitz story, but I can verify that Rav Moshe, ZT"L said that to me too. He said there was no one on the planet on the level of the Satmar Rov, that he was "bokee" in "Kol hatorah kula" and was the godol and tzadik hador. ”

“ My father was Lipe Braun ”

“ attack attack

answer the questions

not to reflect of or just to take a rebbies as someone who is infallible and cannot make a mistake ever, and does not need to explain to his flock when it looks like he did or is doing something that lloks bad.

I do not know where people get that idea that one cannot question a rebbie? Where do you justify this where in the torah and or gemorah doe it say one cannot question act of a rov. I never ever heard that before.

He could be the holiest man ever to line but he is flesh and blood and flesh and blood makes mistakes, This does not mean he is any less holy, just that he is holy and made some mistakes.
Where soem get an idea that a human being is infallible I do not know. ”

“ reply to no. 2/ its look like you are not a history reader, its well known and kastner wrote it in his book that he had a dream that his mother told him if you wanna get rescued from bergen belsen you should make sure that the satmer rov is on the train!!!! ”

“ Yes,you accuse rabbonim of lieing all the time r"l ,but you trust yad vashem without bilinking a eye.Tommy lapid is not a reliable source,he was only intrested in defending a secular jew.He's the last person who's considred objective.Just one qoute from him nebach,"thr theaters are our shuls". ”

“ reply to no. 2/ its look like you are not a history reader, its well known and kastner wrote it in his book that he had a dream that his mother told him if you wanna get rescued from bergen belsen you should make sure that the satmer rov is on the train!!!! ”

“ some very few,

I have said many times asking or questioning a few rabbies does not mean I condemn the others.

why is that concept not going into people head. It is a very simple think to understand

Tommy lapid was saying it on behave of Yad veshem I guess to you and all the others they are also part of this massive anti-herdie conspiracy.

Is there any living soul who is not heridie that is not part of this plot

not only do we have judges, doctors nurses haddassha we also have now Yad veshem and I guess the Holocaust museum Simon Wiesenthal center just to name a few.

anybody that dare criticizes a heridie or hedie rebbie is part of this plot.

Thanks I never knew i was ”

“ some very few,

I have said many times asking or questioning a few rabbies does not mean I condemn the others.

why is that concept not going into people head. It is a very simple think to understand

Tommy lapid was saying it on behave of Yad veshem I guess to you and all the others they are also part of this massive anti-herdie conspiracy.

Is there any living soul who is not heridie that is not part of this plot

not only do we have judges, doctors nurses haddassha we also have now Yad veshem and I guess the Holocaust museum Simon Wiesenthal center just to name a few.

anybody that dare criticizes a heridie or hedie rebbie is part of this plot.

Thanks I never knew i was ”

“ where there is solid evidence that kasten and his gang worked hand on hand with the Nazi's. you answer nothing.. only read the other books.. thats NOT answering. what are you gonna do with all the evidence.

and Kastner helped kill 800,000 Jews, it was proven, only the question was if he had bad attentions or not, why didnt he or the People he worked for admit it??? why didnt say that they erred?? that should the Hungarian Jews make a Revolt there would have been more lives saved,

You keep on repeating but never say where this documnets are

please let us know

links historical documentation and sources you repeating ii does not make it so ”

“ what makes you think that yad vashem doesnt back the Zionist gov?

who signed the affidaved that helped release Becher?!

what did Eichamn have to say on Kastner?

what did brand have to say on the Israeli gov that betrayed him?

what did others testify in court against the israeli leaders and specifcly on kastner??

ITS ALL DOCUMENTED!! if you want you can follow blindly.. B'derech Sh"Adam Roitzeh Leilech...

with out Kastner 800,000 Hungarian Jews would have survived!! its a CLEAR FACT. the argument is, if he did it on purpose or with good intentions on his mind.. but he FOR SURE did it!!

is it documented that the Satmar Rebbe didnt let his People leave?? (since you are only seeking the truth.. you gotta get some evidence..)
or he didnt vocalize it since it wasnt even a option, cuz it was impposible. and whoever had the ability fled on their own.

”

“ On the issue of Kastner; one just has to read Eichman's (ysv'z) memoirs. There is solid evidence that Kastner was brought to Auswitz to see what was really happening and was warned to keep it to himself otherwise he and his family a close freinds will suffer the same fate. It was Kastner's job to pacify those jews who spread rumers of what he knew to be the truth. For Kastner it was pure self preservation, as it was for many jews who 'helped'. He testified that the only reason he included the Satmer rebbe and some of his entourage was because of his father and mother in law, who said that they wont go and the trip will not succed unles reb yolish was included. They needed him NOT the other way around.
It is wrong to blanketly say that Reb Yolish was against escapping or leaving europe. This is a falicy; because NO country wanted to take in any yidden. PERIOD. For those who could emigrate or escape he gave encouregment to do s, including many of my family, even if it involved zionist certificates to Israel. He was even ready to accept such certificate; as it later happned. How do you think he got into british mandate Palestine from Switzerland? which wanted him out in the worst way. ”

“ I can't say anything to substantiate the Kalmonowitz story, but I can verify that Rav Moshe, ZT"L said that to me too. He said there was no one on the planet on the level of the Satmar Rov, that he was "bokee" in "Kol hatorah kula" and was the godol and tzadik hador. ”

“ Tommy Lapid, yemach shmo, was one of the most rabid anti Religious people and well known with his group for distorting everything possible about Orthodox Jews. You couldn't find a less credible witness.

Yad Vashem is well known as an anti Orthodox institution with a totally anti religious perspective and portrayal of the Holocaust.

Formally, of course, will select the most slanderous point of view that the Chassidishe rebbes suggested that their followers stay in Europe for their own glorification while they themselves plotted to escape. This discredited canard is the typical fare of the anti Religious liars. Anyone who has had any real contact with them knows their mesiros nefesh for all Jews and sincere concern for them.

Formally, also believes everything wonderful about the anti Orthodox Zionists such as Greenberg and Sally Mayer who did all in their power to thwart any efforts at rescue.

Any idiotic report by those that conflict with the Holy Rabbi Weissmandl who lived through the situation is rife with falsehood and distortion.

”

“ I just want to point out to you, that this video was taken in my father's house,
and my father was a clean-shaven #1 chossid of the Satmar' Rebbe.
He was president of the Satmar Kehillah in Montreal.
My father was the person bringing down the Sefer Torah from the house,
accompanied by my brothers.
My father was clean-shaven, a talmid and chaver of the Satmar Rebbe, and he
was giving in a Sefer Torah to the Satmar Shul in Montreal, during this video.
The seudah was given in my parent's dining room.
I clearly remember my father telling me, that the Satmar Rebbe said, "there is nothing wrong with Rebbeim, just with some chassidim".....well, that has not changed at all!
Ongoing problems with Chassidus are caused by misguided chassidim.
The Satmar Rebbe had REAL chassidim, who were clean-shaven (not from another affiliation).....they were true Satmar Chassidim without extra 'shtick'.

NOW....who has this video?? ”

“ Everyone should research and read Prof. Francisco Gil-White writings on the Kastner issue. Prof. Gil-White is non-Jewish. ”

“ #agin you come with this book or that book . why is that book holier than the other book. did you read 'min hamatzer' by rav weissmandel? ”

“ Yes I did,
But let me ask you this, lets assume that the deal of 440,000 Hungarian Jews (of the 800,000 Hungarian Jews only 440,000 were deported before Szálasi stopped the deportations) for 10,000 brand new trucks, were would the Jews get the trucks from, and how would that be shipped, in addition, the same time the Jews from the free countries trying to lay a hand on the new trucks, the allies had millions of soldiers on the battle field and thousands dying every day, and you except that the allies should provide the trucks to prolong the war effort, so on one hand we send 10,000 truck and the same time we fight the battle of the bulge trying to win the war. Come on that was the issue. The Jewish leadership understood that Jews don’t control the war, as Hitler ysv'z believed and it was impossible to get what the Nazi’s demanded either hard currency or material, that is why they asked for the fricken trucks. So you need to wake up to reality.
”

“ You need a reality check,Brand writes it was clear the terms were negotiable.Besides you miss the main point,this was a great delaying oppurtunity.Just look what happend in 2 months, horthy toppled the pro nazi goverment.Yes the arrow cross came to power and killed,but thousands of jews are alive today because of that delay.They should have warned brand he would be arrested,but no.You know who warned him, 2 people from groups you critisize,jacob griffel and j.klarman of the agudah and jabotinsky zionist's(fron the ben hacht group).But brand tragically trusted in those zionist;s leaders. ”

“ You need a reality check,Brand writes it was clear the terms were negotiable.Besides you miss the main point,this was a great delaying oppurtunity.Just look what happend in 2 months, horthy toppled the pro nazi goverment.Yes the arrow cross came to power and killed,but thousands of jews are alive today because of that delay.They should have warned brand he would be arrested,but no.You know who warned him, 2 people from groups you critisize,jacob griffel and j.klarman of the agudah and jabotinsky zionist's(fron the ben hacht group).But brand tragically trusted in those zionist;s leaders. ”

“ After I posted my reply to you I went on to read Joseph post # 170 here is a line I lifted from his quotation from Eichmann Y’M’VZ

“When the 10,000 winterized trucks with trailers are here, then the liquidation machine in Auschwitz will be stopped” as you could see he was looking for the trucks to be delivered before the killing machine would stop. Therefore your argument doesn’t hold any water

I hate to quote that evil Y’M’VZ
.
”

“ I am not taking sides in the inner Zionist struggle either the left Ben-Gurion / Chaim Weizmann or on the right Vladimir Jabotinsky / Menachem Begin, the outright killing and support from the left to the British is well documented, you might have a valid point if you discuses the tactics of the Irgun Zvai Leumi v. Haganah. However here is my point the case of State of Israel v Malchiel Greenwald in my view was a political fight, which was left v right if you look who were the players, in one corner the government at that time was controlled by Mapai, far left wing, the defendant Malchiel Greenwald, his son Itzhak, and daughter Rina were all fighters in the Irgun, Itzhak died and Rina got injured during the fighting with the Brits, and the lawyer for Greenwald was Shmuel Katznelson Tamir, Who was had of the intelligent in Jerusalem under the Irgun and actually was incarcerated by the Brits, Ben Hecht himself admits that he is biased.
But the salient point what is at issue in our debate both groups were hardened Zionist, so the blanket pronouncement that the Zionist are responsible for the Nazis atrocities is totally wrong, as for Kastner my view is simple that whatever he was able to do he tried and he accomplished more then almost everybody else, additionally the negotiation was going on between Passover and Shavuot 1944, the one or two months delay would not helped matter of fact in March 1944, Hitler launched Operation Margarethe and ordered Nazi troops to occupy Hungary. Horthy was confined to a castle, in essence, placed under house arrest. Döme Sztójay, an avid supporter of the Nazis, became the new Prime Minister. Sztójay governed with the aid of a Nazi military governor, Edmund Veesenmayer. As you could see the deportations started end of April 1944.
All said and done you failed to explain how the Jews from America or England or any other place would come up with the 10,000 brand new winterized trucks and ship to Germany, what do you think the outcome would been if Himmler Y’MVZ found out that it was all a fake deal, do you think any Hungarian Jew would be alive after that. I don’t think so.

Going back to the bottom line Kastner was the directly responsible for Satmer Rebbe escape from the clutches of the Nazis
.
”

“ This is simply a lie. There is no way Rav Moshe would have said this, because he was not even close to the gadlus be'torah of many Gedolim of his time. ”

“ If that is true how come he disagreed with the Rebbe in numerous Halakha Questions? ”

“ What does the internal fight between the zionist's have to do with my post.I did not discuss kastner either,i was talking about "trucks for jews".You did not answer my point about how they treated brand.Did you know,among many other thngs,they didn't even arrange a visa for him.Brand,a zionist,gives credence to the orthodox charges that the zionist's put zionis't ideals before hatzalah,with his description of the vaad's work in istanbul,read his memiors,or read the qoutes in Dateline istanbul.Now to discuss some points1)Read your history carefully,the jabotinsky's were thrown out (and threw themselves out)of the zionist movement,both from the world zionist orginazation as well as from the jewish agency.They were a seperate group,revisionist's zionist's,(i gave their agent due credit in my post).2)Your post about himmler's revenge made me laugh,so now they didn't fool him,what happend,the jews were killed.Besides,when sally mayer ruined the musy rescuedeal with himmler,himmler did not take revenge. ”

“ Hillel and Shamai were both giants, the leaders of their generation. But they disagreed on halacha many times more than R. Moshe and the Satmar Rov

In fact, it bothered both of them when they disagreed. They both had ENORMOUS respect and affection for each other. The halachos in which they differed were actually few. The ones they agreed on were the vast majority.
They often consulted each other. And, they were surprised when the other ruled differently.

I knew each. They each considered the other a Torah Giant,and godol hador.

It was often said back then, that the Williamsburg Bridge connected the world's two most important pillars of Torah. ”

“ Actually,it's not exactly accuarate.The ym"vz said"as soon as you come back with the agreement i"ll disband auschwitz and give you 10% percent of the jews"etc...There was plenty of room for delay,it was a process which could have been handled with genius,if you truly want to.(the reception brand got proves otherwise).Brand himself said it will take months to reach a final agreement.Even if ym"vz would not have stopped the killings completley,it would have provided barganing power.The german's were then willing for their own intrest's to"show", they were "good people".Read what krumey ym"vz told brand. ”

“ #180 he will not ask rav koppelman because he doesnt want to hear it. his hate for this spiritual giant and what he represent,true heilige unadulterated torah ,he cant take. its never ending battle what sifrei kedoshem call bet 'samech mem' and kedushah and this is also behind 'finally's hate for him (you know, the guywith the 'truth' smokescreen) ”

“ It is obvious that you read with the intent to justify your view; however a real student of history reads to understand and learn from history, as a student I make sure that each side gets a fair hearing and every action or lack of, needs to be judged with an eye on the person or persons who were involved what their view was, and the timing of there action or lack of it, via a vie other players or stake holders and most importantly how would the action benefit the war effort. Please don’t label me “that I don’t care about every Jew” I do, the fact is that my family lost almost 100 relatives in the Chorbon. The war effort was the foremost item on the allied mind.

When all said and done, you have to look with an open mind and judge for yourself what you would take away from history, I take away these points, that during times of hardship some Jew will sand up to the challenge and try to help everyone regardless of their affiliation, go see the movie defiance were none religious Jews took care of religious Jews, and tread them as one, or in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising you had religious young men joining the uprising, but put yourself in their shoes if you would be there and trying to make a deal to save Jews who would you save. “Now don’t lie it is a sin,” you would save your kind first and foremost, first any religious Jew you could, then if you need to raise money to pay off the Nazis then you might look for a few rich Zionist to pay the way for all. This is exactly what probability happened. The left of the Zionist spectrum understood that the allies will under no condition tolerate any contact or side deal with the Third Reich as they continually said no deal only total surrender to all allies will do, it seems that the left calculated that it is a lost cause so the were working and trying to save some individuals who they felt would bring greater benefit to the Jews after the war, naturally that was their kind. The right side was not interested in any negotiations with the Nazis they believed you got to fight them with every method available that was the prevailing view in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

As for the 10,000 trucks with trailers I said it and will say it once more, that it could never had happened, it is beyond me that you think that you could go to candy store to buy 10,000 trucks, and your point that it could have been used as a stalling tactic, well what do you this Roosevelt and Churchill would have done if they found out that the Jews made a deal with Germany to provide them with 10,000 truck. Do you believe that the US would have opened there borders for the survivors, as a student of history I could tell you no. I am perplexed why you were laughing at my point of Himmler’s YM’VS revenge they fact is that 400,000 Jew were not deported and we don’t know what and how the YM’VS would have reacted.

My final thoughts, I personally not as a student of history agree with the right that we should have fought the Nazis, with every available method, more Jews would have survived.
”

“ wow you answered him so beutifully what you wrote is the pure truth youre fantastic hats of to you ”

“ Thank you
As you could see that whenever somebody explains to "them" what really happened, they never reply or try to justify their position, they just fade away until the mext time, with the same results ”

“ As we commemorate and remember his life, must also remember those who made his life Possible.

He survived being Killed by the Nazis only because of a Zionis, Mr. Kasztner, on the infamous Kasztner's train.

Although Satmar celebrates his Yom Hatzolah, they never mention that his life was saved by the Zionists of Kasztner's train. ”