Beit Shemesh – Charedi Man Arrested for Attacking Immodestly Dressed Women

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    Beit Shemesh, Israel – Police in Beit Shemesh have arrested a haredi man in connection with an attack on two women early this morning.

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    The man, whom police said was upset by the “immodest dress” of the women, also damaged their vehicle during the incident.

    After being detained for questioning by police, the man was later positively identified by the women and arrested.

    A remand hearing was scheduled for later today in Beit Shemesh.


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    Enough
    Enough
    14 years ago

    This kind of behavior is a disgrace. Was it they were not covered from head to toe, Taliban style? That is not a derech to show the beauty of the Torah and gadlus ho’odom. Perhaps he should get a few real ‘petsch’ and know how it feels.
    One should do a full examination of this man’s actions, and I wouldn’t be surprised to find some perversions lurking in the background. Most probably a brute at home, too

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    These chardim need to get a life .it’s ridiculous .they r so bored get a life and worry about ur own actions first .

    Miss Williamsburg
    Miss Williamsburg
    14 years ago

    I am actually saddened that they are called Charedim. In other words, put into the same category like us, the regular Charedim.
    Charedim like us who behave in what is expected of a frum Torah loving Jew.

    yoelyg
    yoelyg
    14 years ago

    I thing the neigbors are alloud to say how to go dress, why are women coming in a jewish neigberhood dressed against the thora law’s & against our feelings?

    formally
    formally
    14 years ago

    they can ask people should dress modestly however it is a public street so ultimately they have no say.

    This could backfire people might decide to dress not modestly as an act of deviance.

    They cannot tell people how to dress, just like people cannot tell them how to dress. How would they like it if people told them they cannot wear a stremeil or black

    chilul hashem
    chilul hashem
    14 years ago

    Stay inside when the weather is hot and woman are immodestly dressed. Look down when walking in the street, go for therapy rather than attack.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    amazing how the chareidy people behave! what would happen if it would be the other way around ! how about id the start beating up every man who does wear deotrent? there are not enough hospital beds in israel for you! LIVE AND LET LIVE

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    The good news is that this dreche yid was quickly capture and identified and is being held in jail without bail pending further hearings. He may be mentally disturbed in which case he needs help. If he is simply acting on his warped beliefs, he is even more dangerous to society and must be dealth with harshly, lest there be any further attacks of this sort.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    these men all need to take cold showers if they can’t otherwise control themselves.

    Lebediger
    Lebediger
    14 years ago

    they don’t work they have too much time

    tzoorba
    tzoorba
    14 years ago

    One meshugene does something stupid and all the Chareidi bashers crawl out of the woodwork.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Hello, the article doesn’t say the plural, men or chareidim. it says ONE person was arrested. he obviously acted alone and doesn’t represent anyone.

    starwolf
    starwolf
    14 years ago

    It is actually worse than that. We lived in Bet Shemesh for a year and a half. the area that this type of violence happens in (Ramat Bet shemesh Bet) lies along a main road whicch is very difficult to avoid. Trust me, nobody drives through there for a provocation.

    while we were there, there were a number of violent incidents against women. These were not women with exposed midriffs- it was usually middle aged religious women whose cars were attacked. while these women were not covered up wrist-to-ankle, they certainly had long skirts and reasonablae-length sleeves. I personally know a number of the women involved; one is a well-know doctor in the community. This was not an issue of modesty- scantily-clad teenagers were not involved.

    The police know who these people are, and political groups protect them. I would not name the Rabbis of the communities responsible, but they aare well known, as they do not hide their support of these activities.

    I find this truly amazing; the people that hold that it is forbidden to look at a woman or shake her hand have no problem at all striking a woman. until the Hareidi community polices its own, this chillul Hashem will only get worse.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    This one mental deviant should not be assumed to represent all hareidim. Lets not generalize, which I admit, I do so myself all to often. While some hareidim share his concerns for tzinus, 99% will not act violently even if they are offended by someone they see.

    lishma
    lishma
    14 years ago

    to me it looks like the islamization of beit shemesh dont theese hassidim learn from history dont they see whats going on in iran they think they will overpower others with their scare tactics like in iran they learn torah and they are brain washed by their elders and cant cope with the real world they think their world is more real then in what we all live in

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Maybe it these people had a job and their time was occupied, these attacks would not have happened.

    Dovid
    Dovid
    14 years ago

    Why are most of the comments critical of the Chareidim? These posters that are placed at the entrances to the neighborhood request that female visitors to this neighbor adopt the community standards for modest dress – because it causes real spiritul harm to a Jewish man to see a woman dressed immodestly. This is an important issue and effects the kedusha of everyone in this neighborhood. For women to ignore it they show disrespect, ignorance (and contempt) of the halachic issues and at a minimum are being very rude.

    I do not condone any physical violence, but I do not know how to keep these women from violating the standards other than blocking their path if they refuse to comply.

    One thing for sure, the Jewish men should have the right to live in their own nieghborhood without this kind of intrusion. They moved here for this purpose, and I do not think it is too much to ask for these women, who do not live there, to dress in a manner that does not cause harm to the residents.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    He did the right think! If after asking nicely they still come in a chareidy place like that they deserve it, the gemura also has a story of a big tana that attacked a shiksa because she wear red clothing, pinchas got became a chohen because he attacked zimri ben suli even it was on public land

    chief doofis
    chief doofis
    14 years ago

    Our daughters are afraid to walk on certain streets in Jerusalem when they are off from Seminary. They are dressed in accordance with Halacha, but not in accordance with “shtick”. Of course, the overwhelming majority of people, Charedi and everyone else, couldn’t care less about how someone else’s wife or daughter dresses, certainly not enough to spray bleach on skirts and the like. Nonetheless, it is incumbent upon the leadership to condemn acts of violence against anyone. If you don’t like my culture,don’t join it.

    Our kids aren’t encouraged to abuse someone with a shtreimel, quite the contrary, a kid who did so would be severely reprimanded.

    One is puzzled by the Gemara that refers to the Simchat Bet Ha’shoeva and Tu B’Av. Were the girls therein referred to wearing Burkas (borrowed ones)?

    The Truth
    The Truth
    14 years ago

    Before anyone makes a smart comment, you should find out what the real story is. I have some relatives in Beit Shemesh so i gave them a call and asked if they heard of this story, so this is what they told me what happend: There are huge posters all around that area asking everyone who walks in the erea should please dress modestly, now early in the morning two fraye women (you can really call them goyim the way they dress, eat, speak, look, but what can we do they nabech have yiddisha nesumalach!) were about to walk through that erea wearing mamish nothing, just a bathing suit, they were told very nicley they should’nt walk through the erea they dont want the children to see this, but they did’nt care and they walked through anyway, so people started throwing garbage on them so they got upset and told the police that they were attcked. so please before anyone writes any comments find out THE TRUTH!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    why cant people just worry about themselves and stop looking at other people and judging them on the way they look (dress)

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Jews do not live and let live. However, there is a Torah way to go about encouraging your fellow Jew to do a Mitzvah or not do an Aveira. The majority of Shomer Shabbos Yidden would never attack another Yid physically or emotionally. Obviously, those that do are seriously deranged or got a horrible education at home.
    Observant Yidden are attacked way more times by non observant Jews who are not comfortable with the Torah lifestyle. These attackers are also seriously deranged.
    To smear all chareidim when one nut case acts out of line is wrong.
    Those who do should do some serious introspection (chodesh Elul is a great time)
    and see why they are so uncomfortable with Chareidim.

    Simon
    Simon
    14 years ago

    Don’t blame all Chradim for this. I’m a Chriadi and I’m happy this guy is in jail and he should stay there for a while.

    And to does Charidim who complain about “hurting there feelings”. Let me ask you, what you would say if someone will beat you up because he is a devoted Christen or Muslim and he doesn’t like when you come to his community with a Yarlmuka etc.

    What goes around comes around

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    What a sick puppy. Getting off on women in the name of Modesty and torah

    Aron
    Aron
    14 years ago

    Keep in mind: if you don’t respect others then others won’t respect you.

    Everyone one has different feelings, values, laws, religion, etc.

    If you don’t let others in to your neighborhood, then others won’t let you in your neighborhood.

    If you don’t condom something like this, then don’t cry anti-semitism when someone is not respecting you in there community.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    i have the perfect punishment they should lock him up with 3 immodstly dressed woman for 2 weeks i promise they, the woman will never dress immodestly again

    Why always "Charedi man" .....
    Why always "Charedi man" .....
    14 years ago

    Why can’t they just say insane psychotic bored unemployed Jewish man. This man is NOT a representative of Charedim in any way shape or form yet anyone reading the news will think that he is because of how the media portrays us!!!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Something does not klap here.Either the guy is not chareidi,which chareidi would touch a woman,or the story is not the exact story.

    OK TO TOUCH
    OK TO TOUCH
    14 years ago

    I don`t understand you cant look at a woman if she is not dressed immodest but it is ok to beat her and touch her

    Red Paint
    Red Paint
    14 years ago

    What do you suppose would happen if anti-fur types, immodestly-dressed or otherwise, were to begin spray-painting shtreimlech in Beit Shemesh? It would actually be pretty funny.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I thought that the anti tsioni chareidim don’t accept the medina as a legitimate jewish state ( as we are still in golus… only when moshiach comes.)so if this is not a jewish Torah run govt., why not respect it’s laws the same as they would if they lived in Williamsburgh, Boro Park , or if they were under pre 1948 British ruled jerusalem?(in other words as all other goyish ,run governments). They wouldn’t dare attack someone not dressed tzniusdick under goyish rule, Ela Mai, they are granting legitimacy to the zionist state as a jewish state… What schizophrenic hippocrits they all are !

    green
    green
    14 years ago

    while we are all calling them “charaydim” we should just keep in mind that not all charydim = frum yidden act this way. These actions are a disgrace and these men are not representing the frum community

    Shlomo
    Shlomo
    14 years ago

    I live in Ramat Bet Shemesh and I can tell you that this is far from an isolated event. There are dozens of men who have attacked women and girls that are dressed according to Dat-leumi standards of tzniyus instead of charedi standards. There are hundreds more who tacitly support these attacks. And there are hundreds more who would not ever object. Look, even in this comment thread you see some people expressing approval or understanding!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    WHH
    Obscenity in American law is defined as the violation of the Community standard vis a vis Lewdness and is left up to the community where the affront occurs to challenge the statute. In the States the do whatever you want rule has been used to open establishments of ill repute in residential areas where the neighbors have enforced the community standard rule. So all you good Americans out there have a source for community enforcement, and shouldn’t be pointing fingers and insulting those in E.Y. for their desire to maintain communities in taharah. This does not mean that I personally agree with what happened, I don’t, however, I believe in the community standard theory, and in enforcement of a non-violent nature by community va’ad Ha Tzniut. Public space is not a license to act in any way you want. The people who live there do.

    PMO
    PMO
    14 years ago

    If one of these animals ever laid a finger on one of my children, he wouldn’t live long enough to apologize for it. He’d better be able to outrun a bullet… and I’m a damn good shot.

    tov ayin
    tov ayin
    14 years ago

    Too bad , If only the non frum people would have respect for the frum neighborhood and would do the Right thing and follow the local dress code it would have never escalated to this level , .. Too bad… When in Rome do as the Romans do !
    Bais Shemesh is a branch Meah Shearim In Holy Yerushlaim , and is a segregated section of yershalmis’ , They were living there before the English! a little respect for the local customs is in order !

    Robert
    Robert
    14 years ago

    i believe it says
    rasha, lamma takeh reyecha
    people on both sides need to be respectful an sensitive
    otherwise it will God forbid deteriorate into what number 79 says
    self protection is both God’s law and natural law
    i hope that people on both sides remember that

    egf
    egf
    14 years ago

    I have never felt more empowered then I do right now reading all the comments. As an observant 60 year old woman who covers her hair, dresses modestly, covers arms, legs etc.; the knowledge that I could send a man’s testosterone level jumping so high that he would feel the need to attack me to preserve his religious integrity really makes my day.